EPTOn May 03 2014 07:26 prplhz wrote:
Hey Foolishness who do we lynch today?
Hey Foolishness who do we lynch today?
Blazinghand has a better chance of flipping mafia.
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##Vote: Blazinghand
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Blazinghand has a better chance of flipping mafia. ##Unvote: RebirthOfLegend ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:36 justanothertownie wrote: Don't celebrate too early. I don't see that much reason to disagree with him tbh. Oh it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you guys are wrong about me. That's not what I was driving at. | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh really? Care to explain the rationale behind this? Are we ever going to be let in on your super secret dealings? How much of what BH has talked about re: your QT jives with you? There's no dealings. He's just been saying a lot of weird things. I never made a conscious effort to try to figure out his alignment. Nor did I ever really pay close attention to the things he said. I didn't let him influence any of my thoughts this game. I was the first one to suggest the strongandbig lynch (other people in the QT can confirm this) and he ran with it. I take full responsibility for the mislynch on day 1 (minus what Koshi did). My gut tells me that alakaslam is town. I don't really have evidence to back that up other than I thought his justification for his vigi shot came from a town mindset. Really either lynch sounds good depending on how you look at it. | ||
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Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)? | ||
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JAT: "Foolishness is mafia cause he pushed a bad case on day 1, didn't do anything on day 2 and has strange interactions in a QT with blazinghand" compared with prphlz: "Foolishness is 100% mafia" There's a side note here that I want to bring up. Confirmed mafia oatsmaster was hard after Alakaslam. Oatsmaster had his vote on strongandbig and moved it to Alakaslam shortly after he shot Yamato. On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote: well what the fuck. ##unvote ##vote Slam The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info. Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was. During the rest of day 1 and night 1 Oatsmaster went after Alakaslam. Now I don't find it reasonable for him to push his own mafia buddy like that since 1) he was already voting on a townie and his vote was pretty safe there, 2) why continue to push on Alakaslam during night 1 when he can just push on me/Koshi/someone else who was on the snb lynch (though if you think I'm mafia this argument does not mean anything) and 3) Alakaslam is already going to be under fire from the town for shooting yamato so why add fuel to the fire? The other interesting thing of note is how Oatsmaster goes about it. In that post I quoted above he says about Palmar: "Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was". Yet look at how he tries to justify killing Alakaslam: On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Geript save me!! Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner. I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum On April 28 2014 21:32 Oatsmaster wrote: OH REALLY CALLER? TRAPS? FROM YOU????? Btw the reason why caller is town and Slam is scum is the personalities. Caller is insane. Slam is actually not insanse although he types like it. Out of the blue shot coupled with shitty reasoning. Caller didnt give jack shit reasons. Town aint gonna give a shit, scum gonna try and justify their shot. Literally Alak just got away with fucking murder. I don't think these are the kinds of arguments you make against your own scumbuddy here because nobody else really brought up these specific points. Oatsmaster was really all-in against Alakaslam and I don't see a reason for him to take that stance against his scumbuddy at this point in the game, especially considering that a lot of people have Alakaslam on their scumlist (or at the very least their questionable list). ----- The tl;dr from above is: confirmed mafia Oatsmaster pushed hard on Alakaslam, and I don't thin it's likely for mafia to push mafia like that. And yeah I realize that the rest of the arguments above are on analyzing a mafia player and trying to look at his motives is potentially dangerous and not worthwhile. But the tl;dr that Oatsmaster pushed on Alakaslam is worth something. The thing about blazinghand is this post made at the start of day 2: On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe The issue with this post he made is the following line near the beginning: "I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1". Now keep in mind he does rationalize this thinking in the same post: "Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon". Since Oats is confirmed scum I'm having a difficult time following his train of thought. His reasoning for going after the three he listed is fine and follows what I said. However he's deliberately ignoring confirmed mafia Oatsmaster of which there's already been a long case about (by Austin mostly). Of course, I can kinda understand this given that I did the same thing (except I went after RebirthOfLegend). The problem is that he's deliberately ignoring Oats while I blatantly said in the QT (and possibly the thread) that I'm perfectly happy with lynching Oats. Blazinghand doesn't change his mind about Oats until ~24 hours into day 2 when he says he's happy to lynch Oats here. But he never follows up the Oats read! If you recall on day 1 he actually posted a case on why strongandbig is mafia. Not only that he spent more posts explaining why strongandbig is mafia. At the beginning of day 2 he claims that "[he] could probably successfully make an Oats push" but never does. Instead he pushes gumshoe, says in passing he is okay with lynching Oats and spends the rest of his time defending me as town (which I'm thankful for <3). In the QT he says he's not sure that Oats is mafia but he never added fuel to the fire to ensure his lynch, of which it was perfectly reasonable to expect of him given that at the start of the day he said he would. | ||
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If the mod confirms that he was not recruited this means that mafia either: 1) The mafia thought Cephiro was lying or that Cephiro is the traitor, since from their perspective Cephiro called two towns as different alignments. This would mean the mafia probably voted for blazinghand without inhibition. 2) The mafia believed Cephiro was telling the truth but did not have enough confidence in their read to figure out which of Blazinghand/Alakaslam was mafia to recruit him. 3) The mafia knew Blazinghand was likely the traitor but figured he was going to be toast anyways so didn't bother recruiting him. Two and three kinda go together. Also keep in mind that Blazinghand wanted to kill gumshoe yesterday, which says nothing about gumshoe's alignment. None of blazinghand's reads point one way or another (like I thought they did). | ||
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On May 05 2014 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote: So here's the deal Foolishness. It appears as though I'm not going to be able to keep the raving masses from putting your head in a noose tomorrow, so my suggestion to you is to reveal details about your QT. Specifically, who else was recruited with you. If you can't do that, I'm afraid I and everyone else has no choice but to assume you are scum and you will be lynched. There was once a time where I would be considered for night kill; sadly I fear this time is long past but just in case people need to look into (and by look into I mean lynch with cleansing fire) Poofter. Even if people have found him somewhat towns in some way, think about pure role speculation. We have had a mafia dayvig flip, and we know of two confirmed town dayvigs. Is the more likely scenario to have three town vigs to scum's 1? Unlikely IMO. Poofter is scum 95% (I can't give that marv guarantee no matter how good I feel). Palmar and caller are worth looking into with some scrutiny as well. You assume I'm scum if I don't reveal that information? Why would I reveal information like that that's only going to benefit the mafia? I'm sure everyone remaining in that QT is town so there's no way I'm handing the mafia the town circle. Also you're assuming based off what information? That you don't "like" my posts this game? That you don't like that I pushed a mafia lynch and pushed the traitor to be lynched? You say that I made a bad case on day 1 and that's enough to override everything else I've done? Also is it enough to override not killing say in the group of RoL, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, Ace all of which are guilty of doing nothing this game? Because all I see is that you want to kill off the active members of the town and just leave the inactive players sitting. How well has that worked out for town's in past games (re: it never works)? Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of: JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason! Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z. JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted! I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're making assumptions about a player being mafia based on feelings and not liking their post and just ignoring all the other things they've done for the town then you're definitely not playing mafia. So congratulations on not reading. | ||
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You're mad at poofter for shooting his suspect? After he: 1) Pushed his shot repeatedly in the thread. 2) Made multiple cases about why his shot was mafia. 3) Has constantly been giving reads and pushing suspects in the thread. 4) Wanted to shoot Oats but believed that Oats flip would give town valuable information about the votes. Until someone posts a nice big case about why poofter is mafia he is not up for lynch and will not be considered in the slightest. Also the theory that mafia have day vigi shots so poofter is likely mafia because he confirmed having a shot is bogus. You know what mafia is probably doing? Waiting until there's like 11 players alive and if they have 4 members up just cap 3 people and auto-win. What a smart way to win instead of ya know randomly shooting during the day and drawing attention to yourself. Unless we're not playing mafia of course. | ||
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1) Been already revealed. 2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On May 06 2014 11:12 Ace wrote: Foolishness can answer that when he gets back. If not or the answer is trash I'll vote him tomorrow. Not gonna filter dive when there are basketball games to watch. What am I answering? It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list. | ||
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On May 01 2014 01:48 Blazinghand wrote: One of the two of us is a Mason Recruiter. We began speaking at the start of D1, and have continued to do so. There's a 3rd person in the QT who was added for D2. You're a donkey. On May 04 2014 12:02 Hapahauli wrote: Night 3: Blazinghand (Recruiting-Mason//Traitor) has been lynched! Night ends in . All players have 5 posts. A fourth person was added the previous day. Now that Blazinghand is dead the QT no longer gets members (mod confirmed) so it's just us 3 talking in there. Personally, I don't see any reason to reveal who the other two members are because I think they are both town and revealing that information is giving the mafia shiny targets to shoot at. But at the same time I'm not terribly opposed to it, so if the other member(s) want to reveal themselves that's their decision. And as I stated, I've been through that QT since the start and have been through it multiple times. If there was information in there that was important to the town (like say night action results or something) or something in there that incriminated someone (let's say another member in the QT was horribly opposed to the Oatsmaster lynch) then that information would already be out there, either by me or someone else. Really you guys are making mountains out of molehills, and letting mafia sit back and do nothing (again). Why not kill the people that aren't contributing to the town and are clearly apathetic? I've already spent posts responding to JAT and WoS and I'm not going to waste time or take up space beating a dead horse by arguing them. You can look through my filter to see what I've said. If someone else has a big point that needs answering then say so and quote it and I'll respond (like Ace just did now). | ||
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I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end. | ||
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