I like that post from Foolishness. Few comments: You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess.
ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts.
On April 28 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: at the very least I think one of palmar or snb has to be scum with the way the votes are going and the way they are being placed so thats good. dont mind a 1 for 1 trade.
I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow.
I really don't like VA this game. He is too invested/seems to give a fuck and he already does connection cases/sets up future lynches. Seems like an agenda to me. The town VA I know doesn't have an agenda. He cares more about the correctness of his reads while this VA does not care who of snb and palmar is in fact scum.
On April 28 2014 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: I like that post from Foolishness. Few comments: You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess.
ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts.
What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there?
The point remains that you don't know how his town posting looks like under restriction, right? Anyways I fear that I am pretty close to having too many posts. SO, if you want me to keep talking/are a nice person in general please donate some to me. If you don't intend to use them yourself of course.
Ok, we really need to consolidate. At least to 2-3 lynch candidates. You filthy americans may think it's a long time until lynch but us poor eu people will never make that deadline. Also some people have used most of their posts already.
Something like Vayne/oats/Palmar would be my preference I think...
On April 28 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia. He is a fucking hard catch normally. Look at all the games.
He always is like last mafia standing.
Ok, what about Vayne/Palmar?
so to be clear you think I am bussing palmar here? I am not following your lines of thought this game. you called me out for having an agenda but in the same post soft pushed me with no real conviction. Just like to know whats on your mind.
I don't make connection cases day1. You are both scummy on your own.
On April 28 2014 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote: there has to be some level of logic though. I rarely explain my reads but that is a pretty big tool I use to determine scum, when they are just throwing out shit together that makes zero sense. I was fine with your post on me since it makes sense, but palmar/me together does not.
Ok, so there are only 2 wagons that I can see. It is getting too late. I am not completely sold on oats but I think he is a better lynch than SnB right now. Basically I agree with most of the things austin said about oats and snb and I think there are some questionable people on the snb wagon (oats, slam, palmar, RoL, BH...).
##Vote: Oatsmaster
This is the last post I have so if someone wants me to address something or change my vote you need to donate me at least one post. I will not be awake for very long though so it might be wasted if you wait for too long.
On April 28 2014 13:06 OdinOfPergo wrote: fuck. Well, now I look super bad.
I still think this means a lot. SnB was a one shot. Did he kill Yam? What does this mean abouit Geript/Ve/Slam?
ugh..
Are you on drugs? You just have to read the thread one fucking time and half of the pointless questions in your filter are already answered. It's really not hard - the thread is not that long. I am somehow getting the feeling you are trying to sell us that you are dumb and we should ignore you. I don't like it.
On April 28 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: well at least i dont feel bad hammering since it woulda happened anyway. w/e stupid lynch
On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No
It was Palmar who pardoned prp. Palmar is my number 1 because he wanted to hold the town hostage (lol) and wanted to shoot Caller instead of lynching him. If Caller is Town denying his flip while still leaving a lynch open is a major win for scum. Palmar's reaction was overboard. With Caller's nuke actually being a fake Palmar should be getting much more heat.
Before this game is over WE WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH! Only one of us can survive (likely, we'll both be dead).
On April 28 2014 12:46 Foolishness wrote:
On April 28 2014 12:35 Ace wrote: explain
As everyone's agreed, what Caller did is not alignment indicative for him. I don't think anyone has brought up an argument about which way Caller is tending to lean that actually has some non-neutral basis to it. Anything said basically boils down to, "eh I think he's town just a feeling" or "eh I think he might be scum just a feeling". Really there's very little to be said about him (and yes this is a problem and he's going to prove his town to us or get shot).
Now Ace, what mindset would Palmar have to be in to do what he did? Obviously he was pretty open about it in his posts: he saw he was getting nuked, immediately believed it and used his ability cause why the fuck not? If you just found out you only get to play a mafia game for 24 hours you'd probably be pissed and do the same thing right?
This isn't what's solely triggering me though. Palmar using his power before dying doesn't sway me towards his alignment. My point is based on him not wanting to lynch Caller, but hold the Town hostage if Caller isn't shot.
I don't think a mafia would be in the same mindset if they found out they were about to die 24 hours into day 1. I'd expect them to be more calm about it since they have a team to support them (of course this would depend on the person in question). Furthermore, as I'm sure you are well aware, if Palmar was mafia and wanted to hurt the town he could have done way worse than what he did. Going yolo and pardoning someone who has 3 votes doesn't hurt anyone (regardless of what prphlz alignment is). What could he have done instead? Posted like he was a town and provide as much insight as possible, pardon whoever the most town-agreed person in the game is and convince all of us to mislynch Caller (assuming Caller is town of course). It probably would have worked, and as I said above I don't think there's anyone in this game right now who would be opposed to Caller dying (though he might not be the best lynch).
Maybe this is all a bit convoluted and too wifomy, but Palmar reminds me of Annul when RoL faked day-vigi shot him (who was also town). The emotional state makes more sense. I won't deny that what Palmar did was "anti-town" but I hardly think that Palmar is pushing an agenda here.
@1st bolded: This doesn't invalidate him being scum. Palmar might have been able to do worse but speculating on him doing so doesn't offset what he originally did. Just because it isn't the absolute worst doesn't mean it isn't scummy. While Palmar could have "posted like he's town and give insight" he didn't, and we should be going off of what he did do and not speculate on what he could have done. Excusing his behavior because of an actions he didn't take that could have done more damage doesn't make sense.
@2nd bolded: I agree with this to a degree. I don't think there was some kind of master plan to it at all. Just a convenient effort to deny a flip and lynch the guy nuking you. If Palmar is scum here remember he doesn't flip on death anyway so him wanting his accuser shot and not flipping works out to his advantage anyway.
But that's not true - you have to factor in that he could have /really/ fucked over town by denying them a lynch entirely. You HAVE to factor that in because he DID not do that and he COULD have done that. And you KNOW that he's a player that would have known that.
I think it is clear that Palmar did think the nuke was real regardless of his alignment. It makes no sense to use his power otherwise. You don't do it as town unless you are really trying to get lynched and that doesn't fit Palmars style and you don't do it as scum because you are wasting a huge advantage (potential LYLO one day earlier) for nothing. So, if he thought the nuke was real he couldn't do any more harm than he actually did because he would have been dead way before deadline. Does this point towards town or scum though? I think it is rather scummy because he drops a WIFOM bomb before leaving the game by making us think about if he would pardon a scumbuddy or a townie while it doesn't help him in any way as town. On the other side this is not very clever as long as it is not absolutely sure the nuke is real and if he has a team there should have been someone who tells him not to do it. Based on this alone I would not lynch him but he claimed scum on top of that and did nothing else really.
On April 28 2014 16:51 Alakaslam wrote: Correct. I had nothing substantial to provide other than panic fail.
So you went full retard if you are town. Great. Do you plan on actually playing the game day2 so we can at least try to figure you out or will you make us waste a lynch/make someone dayvig you? If you are scum just keep doing what it is you are doing and this problem will probably be solved soon.
On April 27 2014 01:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Seems more like a bluff to me. I did it all last game in catastrophe for fun as town since my role is mediocre. I'm guessing Palmar is just VT and bored that he got shot by the insane caller. Their alignments literally do not matter as we won't see Palmar's alignment, such a waste of thread space.
Shitty stance on me and caller, passive because he probs knows both our alignments. Also complaining about thread quality, classic mafia.
On April 28 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: at the very least I think one of palmar or snb has to be scum with the way the votes are going and the way they are being placed so thats good. dont mind a 1 for 1 trade.
I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow.
Also he hasn't posted anything of value.
Very good lynch target tomorrows because it'll force him to actually try if he's somehow town and shit.
On April 29 2014 02:08 Caller wrote: i would totally be up for a vayneauthority lynch tomrorrow
On April 28 2014 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: at the very least I think one of palmar or snb has to be scum with the way the votes are going and the way they are being placed so thats good. dont mind a 1 for 1 trade.
I think sandroba is flying under the radar but ill push that tomorrow.
On April 29 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote: This is my 7th post this night and I've only been gifted one.
What a rebel!
Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.
Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.
Koshi, did your reads change after that flip?
I changed my read on SnB.
I am easily impressed. Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren. What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE? Now we can add Foolishness.
No shit. ^_^
Nothing else changed? You still "know" VA is town? Why is geript scum? Why is foolishness scum now?
Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit.
Koshi, did your reads change after that flip?
I changed my read on SnB.
I am easily impressed. Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren. What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE? Now we can add Foolishness.
No shit. ^_^
Nothing else changed? You still "know" VA is town? Why is geript scum? Why is foolishness scum now?
Why are you asking me these questions in the night? Totes want to see if you need to shoot me? I thought VA was town. Dnu why I asked that question to Sandroba. I think it had something to do with posts I read. Geript not really on prior list atm. why is foolishness town? That's the question!
No really. Other people are allowed to do things today/tomorrow. I was also totes up till 3 am yesterday so time for sleep now.
I am toying with the idea to reread the thread and post new and fresh thoughts. 11 hours from now. Maybe. I will keep you updated.
Why anyone would nightkill you right now is beyond me. If we have a limited amount of posts why not make use of the nightposts? Especially since you are probably using all of your dayposts anyways. If you are so afraid of being nightkilled - fine. Do it tomorrow. But I don't see how your change of opinion on foolishness makes any sense and I also don't understand your geript read. 5/5
On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote: Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment.
On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote: Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sandroba and Palmar are both town.
And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise.
I'll just summarize main sandroba points:
1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched.
2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard.
3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow.
So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town.
Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as:
1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read.
2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up.
And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent.
Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other. Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat.
So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong. Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia. You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you.
On April 29 2014 16:53 Koshi wrote: ##vote Foolishness Because I am not impressed. Also Sandroba is ded.
imo people should shoot Foolishness. Also Palmar.
PEOPLE PLS SHOOT FOOLISHNESS AND PALMAR.
Thank you.
I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him. Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it.
The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys.
On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote: So I can brag endgame?
If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all.
EPT
