EPTYou Only Shoot Once Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
| ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 19 2014 08:49 Bill Murray wrote: I'd like to sit this out That's not /in | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
His first 5 posts should explain everything. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 27 2014 08:56 Palmar wrote: Well since no one is killing caller Blow me town ##Pardon prplhz Reason, people want to kill him. I thought I could pardon at the deadline to ruin the day but the nuke lands before that, so I guess I'm just pardoning whoever people want to lynch right now. You just gave us as much reason to kill you as we do Caller now... ##Unvote: prphlz | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
It's possible I actually feel better about this vote than the previous one. Psych Palmar! | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
 | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
1) Posting behavior when mafia His mafia filters here and here are characterized by long posts where he feels the need to explain everything he's thinking. If you scroll through them you notice that his average post length is a good 4 lines or so and there are plenty of posts with chunks of paragraphs. Much similar to what's going on this game. In his town games however, his posting is more sporadic and concise. Look here and here and here. You'll notice immediately that a vast majority of his posts are one-liners. Of course he still has the long posts but they are few in number. The key here is that when he's town he doesn't feel the need to explain absolutely everything and he's perfectly fine with just posting whatever whimsical idea comes into his head via a one-liner. 2) Reaction to getting lynched When he got lynched as town in Boardwalk he was really pissed about it: On April 15 2013 11:33 strongandbig wrote: i already went into that. checks tonight should be on oatsmaster, RO, and me. (but you guys are being stupid). I think you all are morons for lynching me; sure, if you guess correctly and i'm scum, then we can end the game a bit faster, but the safe way for town to play is to keep all the dts alive until we can check everyone. the fact that all you impulsive morons (geript, mocsta, vivax, etc) don't see this makes perfect sense to me, but the fact that keirathi doesn't see the sense in this worries me. There are more posts like that in the game where he calls everyone stupid for wanting to lynch him. Yet in this game is reaction to getting lynched is: On April 27 2014 23:12 strongandbig wrote: Meh If people are going to call me scum for including nuance and being honest in my description of my thought process so be it Let me tlmafia it up for you, I'll feign certainty and reduce the actual explanation That's hardly the level of enthusiasm I'd expect out of him. If I recall in Sicilian mafia he kinda just rolled over when it came time to lynch him. He'd still post and refute the claims but he was hardly aggressive about it. On Palmar: I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game: On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote: Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments. 1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend. 2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today. 3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort. ##vote strongandbig Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later. On prphlz: I don't want this to be forgotten later, but this guy spent 5 posts over-explaining why Caller is an idiot. Check prphlz's filter and look at this first five posts or so, I've put them in a spoiler here since it's a bit long: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 21:20 prplhz wrote: First of all, because we have a posting limit this game, can people please answers questions posted at them? It's going to be a waste of posts to post questions several times just because some asshole ignores them. Doesn't even matter if you think the questions are important, the only reason you should ever not answer a question from someone else in this thread is if you have a firm scum read on them AND you are short on time. ##Vote Caller I am voting Caller because what Caller has done so far points at him being scum. He has fired a pretty much random nuke 10 posts into the game at someone who didn't post yet and you could not reasonably expect to have posted yet. It's a completely random nuke. We all agree that Caller is sometimes a little off but we also agree that he's a smart guy. And smart guys don't do this if they are town because there is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. I think that Caller is scum who thought "Fuck it, I'll nuke somebody and hide behind my crazy reputation" because that's much more likely than Caller being town and thinking "Fuck it". It seems like everybody is second guessing themselves on the Caller issue. @VisceraEyes I'd like you to explain to me why voting Palmar will prevent him from "shooting"? If he has a night shot then he will be dead by the time he can shoot anyway, if he has a day power then he can use it before getting lynched. I would also like for you to tell me why you have a town read on Caller. @BlazingHand @Oatsmaster Please explain why you think Caller is town. On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote: I just think you are looking at this wrong. No matter if you're town or scum, firing a nuke 5 posts into the game is a very theatrical thing to do. You absolutely know that you're firing a nuke for no reason. And the bottom line really is that townies don't do this. I've played with Caller before and he didn't do exceedingly dumb shit then and I have no reason to believe he'd suddenly start doing it this game. One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple. On April 26 2014 23:52 prplhz wrote: So you're admitting that what you did was exceedingly dumb? My out for you was pretty much that you explained why what you did was town motivated but instead you're going with the "Look at me, I'm crazy Caller doing crazy stuff! Don't lynch me when I nuke random people for no reason, I'm just that crazy!"-defense and as I already said, I don't buy that. You didn't play in that game, you hosted that game. No idea where you're going with this but it seems that you're not giving two fucks about this game, more scum points for you. On April 27 2014 00:59 prplhz wrote: Palmar's alignment doesn't even matter. You don't join a game thinking "I'll fuck this up good". You just don't do that. Even if you're a lunatic, Chezinu or Alakaslam, you join thinking "I'll catch some scum, I'll do good, I'll be a good townie" but that's not what he's doing. I get the "too dumb to be scum" argument but it doesn't apply here. That argument applies when people do stuff like having a dumb scum reads. For example "he's scum for posting a smiley" or something like that, and it's not really "too dumb to be scum" it's "too paranoid not to be town". This is too dumb to be town because no one would ever do this as town, ever. And the "1for1 2dumb4scum" argument is not good, the reason it is not good is because of how much we're arguing about it now. It's simply not a 1 for 1 if you can get away with it and you can evidently get away with it with how much we disagree on it. VisceraEyes' argument that a scum Caller would shoot Foolishness/Ace is okay. I like it. I don't buy it though, Caller could easily have thought "Well, I wouldn't get away with nuking one of those guys!". You cannot reason about the motivation of a scum. Caller is scum for doing something no townie would ever do. This isn't a "that read is a little off, I don't think townies would do that", this is a guy shooting another guy 5 posts into the game. Caller even admitted that it was exceedingly dumb and he hinted that he thinks his meta permits him to get away with it. Townies don't do things they think is dumb just because they believe their meta allows them to do it without getting lynched. Completely scum. The problem I have with prphlz is that he spends so much time overemphasizing that Caller is scummy for what he did. Let's be straight: everyone, including Caller, knows that what he did is super scummy. I don't think anyone is refuting that and Caller even semi-admitted it himself in one of his posts. The fact is you spent 5 posts and many paragraphs telling the town that Caller is stupid/mafia and needs to die for it. There is no need to do this to the extent you did, especially when there's a few suspicious people sheeping along on the Caller read. Furthermore is your vote post here On April 28 2014 01:18 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Cephiro His filter is 1 post long and it's a boring list post that doesn't show real interest in thinking about and solving the game. I don't like the case on strongandbig. I simply think he's trying and that's a rare quality in this town. which is on someone who's definitely not getting lynched today. I've already had the liberty of going through Cephiro's past games. He hasn't been mafia in a while and when he is he's very apathetic in his play, while his town posts are very definitive thoughts that he's having. Based on his one post so far this game he's probably town, but a read on him later in the game will tell for sure. Really it's simple, in a day or two ask yourself, "has Cephiro been trying to help the town?" If yes, then town. If no, then kill with fire. Don't need to over-think him. And I'm also wondering why you spent paragraphs telling us Caller is scummy and needs to die and now you're going after someone like Cephiro? The actions aren't congruent. There are a bunch of people that need to take responsibility for sheep votes or for unexplained votes. In no particular order, and I could be missing a few, these people are: prphlz, VE, strongandbig, oatsmaster | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 04:38 justanothertownie wrote: I like that post from Foolishness. Few comments: You can't really compare post length/how concise posts are because of the post restriction. Also to me SnB seemed pretty annoyed at the people accusing him so if that points towards him being town I disagree with your conclusion here. I would still be happier with a Palmar lynch I guess. ATTENTION: Every lurker/low volume poster that is town should really consider giving away posts to people who would like to post more. Those people are Koshi and me for example. There is no downside to this if you don't plan on using all your posts. What about Sicilian mafia? He was mafia and that game had a posting restriction. Do you not see any similarities in posting style there? | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
| ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: sorry, if Oats flips mafia then I think we should look at Ceph. Wording too strong. Cephiro is voting for Oats, one of the first few to vote. Doesn't seem likely unless strongandbig is also mafia with them (not advocating this as very likely). | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:14 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok dear me. Another thing and possibly bigger. Caller claims dayvig by shooting Prp. Prp is still alive. Mods have since updated vote count and Prp is still alive. Caller is lying. Ceph nuked BH. He then voted for Oats. Why does your failed nuke target not = your vote as scum target? Confused. Ceph was nuking/shooting BH to prove that he (Cephiro) does not have any day shooting abilities. Cephiro did put BH in his "scummy" list in his first post I believe. I wouldn't read into it too much. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
| ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:35 Ace wrote: explain As everyone's agreed, what Caller did is not alignment indicative for him. I don't think anyone has brought up an argument about which way Caller is tending to lean that actually has some non-neutral basis to it. Anything said basically boils down to, "eh I think he's town just a feeling" or "eh I think he might be scum just a feeling". Really there's very little to be said about him (and yes this is a problem and he's going to prove his town to us or get shot). Now Ace, what mindset would Palmar have to be in to do what he did? Obviously he was pretty open about it in his posts: he saw he was getting nuked, immediately believed it and used his ability cause why the fuck not? If you just found out you only get to play a mafia game for 24 hours you'd probably be pissed and do the same thing right? I don't think a mafia would be in the same mindset if they found out they were about to die 24 hours into day 1. I'd expect them to be more calm about it since they have a team to support them (of course this would depend on the person in question). Furthermore, as I'm sure you are well aware, if Palmar was mafia and wanted to hurt the town he could have done way worse than what he did. Going yolo and pardoning someone who has 3 votes doesn't hurt anyone (regardless of what prphlz alignment is). What could he have done instead? Posted like he was a town and provide as much insight as possible, pardon whoever the most town-agreed person in the game is and convince all of us to mislynch Caller (assuming Caller is town of course). It probably would have worked, and as I said above I don't think there's anyone in this game right now who would be opposed to Caller dying (though he might not be the best lynch). Maybe this is all a bit convoluted and too wifomy, but Palmar reminds me of Annul when RoL faked day-vigi shot him (who was also town). The emotional state makes more sense. I won't deny that what Palmar did was "anti-town" but I hardly think that Palmar is pushing an agenda here. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No Check one: (X) ---- Yes O ---- No Only because I have no idea how to read you though. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Likewise. Please explain which sheep vote you would have me explain at your leisure. Your vote on Caller is what I'm referring to. After looking back I can't tell if you made that vote in jest or not. I suppose it doesn't really matter. I have no beef with you right now. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 12:56 prplhz wrote: @fool did you check the cell mini mafia cephiro meta or were you too lazy? I will when it becomes a more relevant issue (focusing on snb and oats right now). I assure you I haven't forgotten. That means later tonight or tomorrow (real-life tomorrow not game tomorrow) before someone throws a fit at me for ignoring it. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
| ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 28 2014 13:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah no I see what you're saying. Also presumably he didn't know the nuke was fake so him /actually/ using the power looks worse because scum are more likely to fire off their power out of spite than town I guess. My question is, why prplhz? He wasn't in danger of getting lynched, so why tie himself to a scumbuddy like that if prplhz is scum? You do think prplhz is scum with him in this scenario yes? My point was that town is more likely to fire off their power out of spite than mafia, but it ultimately depends on the person. I think Palmar would do it as town moreso than mafia. But we're arguing a moot point I guess. Alakaslam, Palmar, RoL, Caller are the people that joined this vote without providing anything substantial. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On April 29 2014 02:44 prplhz wrote: @Palmar What do you make of the fact that Foolishness' top3 scum reads (strongandbig, you, me) are all town? Let's not be putting words in my mouth now. | ||
|
Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise. I'll just summarize main sandroba points: 1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched. 2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard. 3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow. So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town. Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as: 1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read. 2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up. And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent. Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other. Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat. | ||
| ||
