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From what see the major discussion is going between the most active so far 27ninjabunnies, Epishade and Eden1892 about Yell0w's and mtamburini's weird behavior and Bunny's reads on that. Yell0w's behavior looks like just "joking around" to me, but is still kind of weird. sqrtofneg1 talked a lot, but wasn't beeing very productive with that. What I'm qurious about right now is that mtamburini called himself a leader from the get go, but was relatively passive to the discussion for now (he did called Yell0w on that last weird post of his though). Bunny is being the most active and looks like she knows what she's doing. Everybody is on my scum list untill proven otherwise, the day is still young. This is just for you all be be clear on my thoughs so far. | ||
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looks like Eden trusts you more than he trusts Epishade.* | ||
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The points of interest to me so far: Obviously Yell0w's case is not the strongerst one. He did acted a bit weird at first, maybe for the sake of joking around and/or as a way to start a discussion this way, but on the first day you have to consider any little thing like that. I'd say I find him suspicious mostly because of lack of other info in general. He did set off a major discussion this way, I give him credit for that. Bunny is clearly the most active and open one, with the most amount of "reading" and stuff. Active and sound behaviour is just as suspicious as anything else, but to me she does seem to make the most sense here. It doesn't say much right now though. Epishare started questioning/pushing you off of Bunny's thoughts on Yell0w, and then just backed off from that. Which is interesting. Eden seems to work off of Bunny's and Epishare's "reads", forming the "big 3" of this thread as of now, so to say. He noticed Epishade suddenly backing off as well. My biggest suspicion is mtamburini. Calling yourself a leader and then barely doing anything is weird, especially after he voted Yell0w and asked for more pressure on him based on that one post, after ignoring most of the discussion that happened before. It looks vey weird to me. | ||
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What is interesting to me now is how you just cleared yell0w altogether? A person who is getting the most pressure so far. | ||
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On April 30 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote: I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too) Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else? What do you mean exactly? Sqrt cleared yell0w who I find suspicious, especially after his recent defences, which makes me suspicious of Sqrt, who wasn't participating much in the discussion before that, so I would like to know his reasons. | ||
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My thoughts on new developments so far: Meat - the least active. Says he is paying attention but has nothing to say, then justifies it with being busy, and then he finally makes a post focusing only on mtamburini without actually speaking his mind clearly. No point for a townie to sit out that long and then barely provide any thoughs of his own. Doesn't have anything positive going for him at all as of yet. Bunny - keeps doing what she was doing from the star: being active, asking questions and calling attention. Tries to bring as much information to the table as possible. The most town-looking person to me right now. Yell0w - keeps wasting everybody's time by being super defensive when getting attacked. He just can't stop himself from staying around the centre of attention. He was acting odd at the start, now instead of sharing his thoughs he goes defencive again. His posts don't convince me he is town. Although there are a bunch of people who clearly want his blood (Eden and mtamburini in particular), which might be worth looking into. Eden - wants to lynch Yell0w, badly. He makes his vote look like it's final. His pressure finnaly made Yell0w talk more about his reads, though. I do not agree that his points paint Yell0w as clear mafia. This is his only focus right now, which is better than his erratic votes at the start at least. Not enough info to think he's town still. mtamburini - our leader been gone since yesterday. Not a very leadership thing to do. His last post was very weird as some people pointed out, as his weird obsession with Yell0w. Need to see more of his thoughts on today's developments. Sweetfrost - not very active, but speaks his mind. Disagree with his Bunny read. Don't do anything to convince me he is town yet. Epishade - provides a theory of 3 mafia which looks a bit farfetched to me right now, but it would be interesting to go back to this later. Nothing else to say. Amiko - very thotough with his posts, i like it. Very much seems like working for town in general, especially his tip for masons. Sqrt - find his reads weird, especially how he cleared Yell0w "because I have greater suspicions on other people, and those other people are pushing yellow." I don't think that's justifiable enough to call someone town just like that. Don't like his Meat-possibly town read either. He also finds me suspicious for having a different approach to the game that he thinks is not the right one. Other than that he's been a bit more to the point wth his posts today, but I don't like his reads so far which makes me quite suspicious of him. ritoky, dravernor, ashwtini - can't say anything still. Too much other stuff to follow and they didn't really cought my attention yet. | ||
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Meat - mafia, untill shares more thoughts and becomes usefull Amiko, Bunny - town mtamburini, yell0w, sqrt - more suspicious than others | ||
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The only way we'll know if he is town is if he (or sk) dies, because there is a sk possibility. Who can kill him: Actual sk - will not be interested in killing someone who can be suspected as sk. Mafia - no reason for mafia to kill him if they have a roleblocker. Vig - mtamburini can only die tonight if is getting shot by (another) vig, but no one called it yet, which is weird. I don't see any outcome where he would get cleared as town the next day if he survives, or be of any use untill day 3. If he is an sk - he will be able to do a lot of damage to town. If he is vig - he will not be useful until day 3. He can even be mafia who gambled that vig would not call him out. (which is kinda stupid admitedly) mtamburini with this rolecall put himself in a position where he can't be useful to town untill much later, because of all the suspicion of being sk he raised. | ||
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On May 02 2014 02:32 Amiko wrote: @dfs: The point was raised elsewhere but just to clarify, it's possible (pretty unlikely though) there are multiple vigs, and it's possible there are no vigs. If there is a town-vigilante in the game, I think that player would be more likely to shoot mtamburini in the night phase rather than counterclaim - then they get to stay unrevealed, or, if they want to reveal, they can claim it just before night ends. @dfs You will probably be around before lynch since I think you haven't voted yet. Could you comment on sweetfrost? Thanks for the explanation. Sweetfrost - speaks his mind a bit, but in a very lazy, so to speek, way. He only explained his thoughs on yell0w and bunny, at least a little, but for unexplained reason voted for sqrt and been silent on that since. I personally have better targets right now. mtamburini and yell0w have been on my high suspects list for a long time, but after mtamburini vig call it made things a bit complicated for me. The only person he clearly suspects to be mafia is Yell0w. So I would like him to shoot Yell0w to prove his point he was making thoughout this game. But I'm still not sure if letting him live is worth the risk of him being sk. Meat - is banned, which is realy unfortunate, if he weren't banned and still kept acting as passive as he was untill now he would be the highest on my list alongside the mtamburini-dilemma that i have, but this way i just don't know. Can't prioritise him anymore because of it. Sqrt - him clearing meat and yellow still bugs me, but neither of those two are in the centre of attention now which doesn't help me read into him more. My wild guess was that he+yellow and/or meat are mafia, still is, but i have nothing to back that up really. Eden - still keeps jumping with his votes. You just can't know for sure with this guy. The targets of his major attacks are both high on my list (yellow and mtamburini) and I see both of his cases, but this is just weird. dravernor - finally explained his thoughs. Some stuff of what he says makes sense to me, but some stuff look weird. The fact that there is not my of anything else from him to look into doesn't help. Again, there are better targets right now. mtamburini (sk suspect), yell0w, Sqrt and Sweetfrost are my priorities in descending order. (Meat fell of because banned) But mtamburini can possibly clear himself and flip yellow, so I will gamble with that. And I have to make descision right now. ##Vote: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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mtamburini is vig, and there is no sk; mtamburini is vig, and there is sk who is hiding for some reason; mtamburini is vig, and Meat is sk, but was banned so couldn't react; mtamburini is vig, and Meat is also vig, but was banned so couldn't react; mtamburini is sk, and Meat is vig, but was banned so couldn't react. So we need to wait for Meat's resposnses, and since there was no second kill I suspect him possibly being sk as well (I think that haveing 2 vigs is very unlikely, and if someone else was a vig he wouldn't just hold a shot) mtamburini getting roleblocked was the only way to save Yell0w from getting shot (mtamburini shootting Yell0w was the only logical move from him) and it put more suspicioun on Yell0w, but again it seemed like the most logical scenario beforehand, so Yell0w could be getting framed just as likely. I want to look at Epishade and ashwtini, but for now highest on my list are: Yell0w, sqrt and Meat (mafia or sk) in no particular order. I'll explain my thoughts on sqrt, Epishade and ashwtini later. | ||
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Epishade - the most suspicion on him seems to come from the start of the game (deflection and pocketing and stuff, other people pointed it out a lot), and now the Yell0w vote with the justification of "Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information.". Why vote so early on someone who you think is town? If it's an attempt to start a BW on Yell0w then I don't see why him, because mtambuini wants to shoot him anyway. sqrt - nothing really changed since my last read om him. Disagree with his reads, he didn't expand on that much as well, but that's not the biggest concern of mine. He's being extremely active, yet doesn't bring much info on the table himself before anyone else and he's mostly focused on asking other people weird questions. So, based on that, my list of highest suspects in descending order is: Yell0w, sqrt, ahswtini, Meat and Epishade. I still don't see a point in lynching Yell0w right now though, because of the vig. | ||
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On May 04 2014 21:05 dfs wrote: So, based on that, my list of highest suspects in descending order is: Yell0w, sqrt, ahswtini, Meat and Epishade. I still don't see a point in lynching Yell0w right now though, because of the vig. ##Vote: sqrtofneg1 | ||
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Meat - roleblocked, which suggests he's town (except if mafia held off their roleblock to call it themselves and appear as town) mtamburini - wasn't roleblocked, which is interesting, because when it was clear that he's going to shoot Yell0w he was blocked, but when he expressed his thoughts on being paranoic and wanting to shoot Bunny he wasn't blocked (instead it looks like the block was used blindly in the hopes to hit another power role, because no one else called their roles). Simple conclusion from that alone: Yell0w - mafia. Bunny - town. Meat - can be either. Now I regret not voting mtamburini first day because he's been useless just like I anticipated. His day 1 vig flip would have given us Yell0w flip earlier as now I am sure he is mafia. Also I find it a bit ironic that I called Meat mafia for not talking and now I get accused of the same thing from Meat. I get it and i'm sorry, but I can't help it. | ||
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On May 07 2014 03:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote: lol, dfs is sooooo mafia. yell0w has to be town. It was apparent to everyone that tam would shoot yellow. This is why he wasn't roleblocked. If tam had shot yellow the game would have been over. Instead mafia used their roleblock on me just in case i was a role and could do something. It was apparent he was going to shoot Yellow day1, yet they blocked him. day2 he talked about bunny as possible target, and they didn't block him, which is my point here. They can possibly be both town, just like you can possibly be bullshiting everyone with your rolecall, but i'm going with what fits better in my mind right now. And why would mafia target you? You don't stand out (expect for the beginning of the game), at least Bunny is a better target. I don't think a random roleblock makes sense. | ||
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On May 07 2014 03:53 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Think about it this way. Bunny and Yellow are both town. He was roleblocked n1 to see if mafia could push a mislynch on either yellow tam. N2 Tam is either gonna shoot bunny or yellow, why block him? He isn't pointing his gun at any mafia. We where all suprised that tam didn't bother shooting anyone. So who do you roleblock next? There is no point in roleblocking bunnies, as she was probably put in jail, so there is no point in wasteing a double roleblock on her. Obviously there is no point in roleblocking ritoky who is going to die in the night cause he can't save himself. If we have 4 mafia then out of the 2 people remaining your only roleblock choice is either me or eden. I've been posting since the begininning of the game as someone who has a role. I.E. posting little but still letting everyone know i've been keeping up with the thread. Anyway, you chose me over eden, as in because you only had one of us to choose from as their is no point in roleblocking your own mafia, if you think you were going to win during the night. So just roleblock someone who could potentially do something. Yes, I though of it. That Yell0w mislynch attempt option was too obvious for everyone on day2 so most people left him alone (me included, i was betting on vigi, which, again, was a mistake) and some even though he was clear town. You were acting like mafia if anything. Power role whould act as much less as mafia as possible, not super quiet and suspicious. I forgot the fact that Bunny was jailed, so that makes sense. Then again, a random roleblock? Not just random, but on a person who was acting suspicious. A roleblock usualy indicates that that person is town. That's a stupid thing to do if you want an easy misslynch later. So your fake call is a legitimate option in my mind. | ||
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On May 07 2014 05:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote: What about it was random, if your mafia, you were pretty much guarenteed the win if mtam had shot. If there where 9 people, we have 4 mafia that you won't role block so we are down to 5. You are going to kill someone and your not gonna roleblock your kill, so we have 4 people. Bunnies is going to get rollblocked so we are down to 3 people. Your not gonna roleblock yelloW since he is going to die. we are down to 2 people. AKA me or EDEN, which is hardly random. I also find it strange that you say gambling on tam was a mistake when killing yell0w would have cost us the game. I was refering to day one, when if we'd have lynched tamb (who was being suspected as an sk as well) then we'd have lynched yellow on day 2 (which i believe is mafia) so it would have been a better outcome than what we have now. But it doesn't matter anymore, obviously. Another thing is, how do you know how many mafia there are? What if there is only 3 mafia, no need to just accept a guess on their number as a given. There was no sk (unless he's still just hiding lol), so there might not be 4 mafia. It's another possibility. Which makes more sense, because I still don't believe a random roleblock is a good idea when you have such an nice chance to "confirm" yourself as town by fakecalling it. It's too good of a possibility to ignore. | ||
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