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Dammit Meat, lol. Serious question now, does he get replaced/dropped, or is he just lucky he managed to place a vote before he got banned?
@Dravenor about me editing my post
I reread what I wrote before I posted it, in saying "I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest"
It seemed like an alright sentence in itself to me when I first read it. The first part (I thought your attacks were spot on) is only contingent if the second part isn't true (that his comment was made in jest). After I posted, I wasn't sure if I made that contingency clear enough and that I thought Bunny's attack's were misguided. It might not have exactly needed the extra edit, but I didn't want people reading into something else that wasn't there if I could have been clearer about it.
@Amiko about responding to your Tamburini points
On April 30 2014 14:04 Amiko wrote:
On mTamburini:
I feel the core of suspicion on mtamburini is that he voted for yell0w after ninjabunnies moved off of him. From my point of view, that action is not scummy for these reasons:
(1) I think ninjabunnies’ push on yell0w was fine. I mean, I wasn’t about to lynch yell0w for those early posts, but the inconsistency (even if it was a joke) was a fine thing to push him on.
(2) tamburini voted for yell0w after bunnies moved her vote off of him. To me, this doesn’t really seem like a mafia play. I usually think scum would want to join a growing lynch to give it support, but here tamburini seems to want to re-open a case that doesn’t seem to have support. This doesn’t feel scummy to me.
(3) I think tamburini had a fine reason to bring new pressure to yell0w. I don’t feel like yell0w asking “What was the ideal response?” is strongly scum indicative, but again, it’s something I feel pressure.
That said, I need more from mtamburini's - his posts so far have been too focused on yell0w. If he wants to push a lynch, that’s fine, but I want to see some interactions with other players. If yell0w isn't the lynch, it'll be tough to draw new conclusions on mtamburini because he hasn't weighed in on some of the other players.
@mtamburini: Please comment on Eden. In particular, could you discuss Eden’s case on yell0w?
Also, is there anything about the timing of Eden's case on yell0w that strikes you as unusual? (I haven't reread enough to decide for sure whether there is, but I think there might be)
(1): I believe that Tamburini here was sort of teaming up to vote for Yellow with Bunny (along with whomever else she convinced to join against Yellow). If it were just this fault that I'd give Tamburini, I don't feel I'd be all that suspicious about him.
(2) and (3): This is where our opinions may differ a bit. I agree, it doesn't seem like Tamburini would want to (as scum) open up a case without support. That's why Tamburini labels Yellow's new comment, "What was the ideal response?" as evidence towards Yellow being scum. Yellow was just in the spotlight before, so it wouldn't be too difficult to gather more support against him if there was another piece of evidence. However, I don't see Yellow's comment as actually being scumworthy evidence. I think Tamburini was trying to draw attention to what Yellow said by saying how scumlike it was for him to ask such a question. It felt way over the top for me, and I don't think the comment was scummy at all. Yellow says he asks this to learn how to act more town, and Tamburini claims that you shouldn't act more like town because you should already be town. It just doesn't make sense to me, and those two of Tamburini's claims are what puts him high on my scumreader for me.
*When I typed out my response for your second point, I realized it kind of tied into the third, so I just put them together.
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On May 01 2014 06:46 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 06:10 Epishade wrote:
Dammit Meat, lol. Serious question now, does he get replaced/dropped, or is he just lucky he managed to place a vote before he got banned? He got banned?
He got 2-dayed for making a joke in the TB has cancer thread.
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Umm, I guess, if he's going to shoot someone tonight, that means I can drop my case against him, right? As shooting someone will prove his innocence? If he doesn't shoot, then lynch ofc.
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On May 01 2014 07:19 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:18 Epishade wrote:
Umm, I guess, if he's going to shoot someone tonight, that means I can drop my case against him, right? As shooting someone will prove his innocence? If he doesn't shoot, then lynch ofc. Explain the benefits of me claiming Bird Jesus as mafia to only survive one more day according to your logic.
What do you mean 'according to my logic'? I agree, there's not much benefit to surviving one more day as mafia by claiming Bird Jesus, especially when anybody else would be able to counterclaim (which I would highly doubt would happen at this point.)
I was going to type more about why your claim was an awful move, but I refreshed and Eden pretty much covered anything I was going to bring up.
That also means I was wrong to have you as a suspect in my scumread team, but I still haven't ruled out Sweetfrost and Ritoky as mafia.
#Unvote: mtamburini
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I see a couple of scenarios as to how Tamburini's roleclaim plays out.
1. Tamburini is vigi, and we lose a confirmed town, albeit, one that had little chance of surviving after that claim anyways.
2. Tamburini is serial killer, and we don't have a vigi. In this scenario, Tamburini took his risk that town might not have a vigi. Town actually didn't get a vigi because nobody called him out on it.
3. Tamburini is serial killer, and Meat is vigi (lol). Meat can't call him out on it because he's currently banned. I'm laughing just writing this one out.
One thing I'm having trouble understanding again is why we WOULD even vote for a potential vigi. I'm having trouble believing that he's anything but vigi when he took a HUGE risk by claiming it. If there were any other vigi's in the game, he'd be called out immediately. I just can't see that being the case, unless Meat is vigi and he can't talk right now. I think Eden's large post brought up some good points about Tamburini being serial killer, but I'm not willing to risk it. He's a town right now for me, and I think Eden's willingness to vote a vigi claim to potentially get rid of a serial killer looks scummy. I mean, worst case scenario, he gets shot the next night and we find out he was vigi then. If he doesn't die and nobody else dies during the night, we can figure that he was protected from 1 kp as serial killer. I don't know why we would waste a lynch here on him, unless I'm overlooking something.
Sweetfrost was my next scumread candidate, so I'm switching vote to him.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost
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Goddamn, this game is out of control.
I am finding it pretty hard to look past Eden voting for Tamburini when Tamburini claims vigi. It just doesn't make sense. Tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer in the CHANCE that there's not already a vigi in the game. My mind's been a little jumbled lately since Tamburini roleclaimed because that threw my most likely candidate for scum out the window. But I really don't like Eden voting on a potential vigi, especially when that vigi is going to either die from mafia or get roleblocked later. It's a whole waste of a lynch on a potential confirmed town.
I'm changing votes to Eden. I can't see a good possible reason to lynch Tamburini anymore, as much as I didn't like his roleclaim.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE Eden1892
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On May 01 2014 12:01 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 11:40 Epishade wrote:
Goddamn, this game is out of control.
I am finding it pretty hard to look past Eden voting for Tamburini when Tamburini claims vigi. It just doesn't make sense. Tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer in the CHANCE that there's not already a vigi in the game. My mind's been a little jumbled lately since Tamburini roleclaimed because that threw my most likely candidate for scum out the window. But I really don't like Eden voting on a potential vigi, especially when that vigi is going to either die from mafia or get roleblocked later. It's a whole waste of a lynch on a potential confirmed town.
I'm changing votes to Eden. I can't see a good possible reason to lynch Tamburini anymore, as much as I didn't like his roleclaim.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE Eden1892
Why not? Nothing in the ruleset forbids multiple of the same role from appearing in the game. Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 00:01 Promethelax wrote:
Set-up information
Overview:
The setup is a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. My turn for questions. 1) Why are you guys just blindly lining up to believe a role claim that makes no sense whatsoever from a townie POV and plenty of sense from an sk POV? 2) Epishade, what happened between "I think Eden's post brought up some good points about tamburini being the serial killer" to "tamburini wouldn't claim vigi as a serial killer"? You flipped on that in the span of an hour with no explanation. Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 11:57 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
If you're town, you don't want vigi to die. Sure, he might be SK, but he might be vigi also. You don't even know if there is a SK. I think tambo's claim was strange too, but I'm not willing to risk losing vigi. You are. That makes you mafia. No, it doesn't. You know better than this. You don't even have to look further than the last newbie claim to know my attitude about fishy claims on the first day. If I think I've got a legit read on someone as being anti-town, I don't give a fuck what they say they are, if they can't prove their claim in a reasonable way, I'm not trusting it. Cavalinho had no realistic way of verifying he was the parity cop last game, I lynched him without batting an eye d1 because I thought he was scum. tamburini can't prove his claim at all because there's no way to tell that he isn't the serial killer, I'm lynching him without batting an eye d1 because I think he's serial killer. If I'm wrong, no big deal, it's a setback but tamburini hasn't been helping us win at all with his behavior d1 and we're not going to win or lose based on power roles anyway. If I'm right, we just cut the anti-town kp in half on the first day. The choice is obvious to me. How is it not to you?
Oh crap, you're right about the number of roles given. I missed that and thought there could be only person playing each role (disregarding masons). That does change my understanding now of the situation. I was under the impression that Tamburini wouldn't dare call vigi without actually being vigi because he'd get called out if there were any other vigis in this game, but that scenario actually can't happen now, and does possibly point to Tamburini being a possible serial killer.
For your answer to your 2nd point: Honestly, I thought that it was suspicious of you to be so certain of Tamburini being serial killer when he claimed because I thought there was no way he would claim vigi if someone could call him out on it. The possibility of multiple vigis in this game changes quite a bit for me, as I can now see why Tamburini might claim vigilante to avoid being lynched as possible serial killer. I had you viewed as slightly scummy before in my first post too (before I switched my vote to you), but wasn't sure if I wanted to continue or not. Then Sqrt posted and I thought I must not be alone in my reasoning.
However, can you explain why my reasoning might be faulty in my other post, then? I think it still stands, but again, I may be missing something that you're seeing.
"I mean, worst case scenario, he gets shot the next night and we find out he was vigi then. If he doesn't die and nobody else dies during the night, we can figure that he was protected from 1 kp as serial killer. I don't know why we would waste a lynch here on him, unless I'm overlooking something."
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I'm reading through Tamburini's posts again, and, it does look pretty bad how he throws up the vigi claim to look town when he started getting votes on him. It's like he didn't even care to defend himself as a serial killer because nobody wants to vote a vigi. At this point, I do think he is likely a serial killer.
My question is, do we still attempt to lynch him, or let mafia take care of him in the chance that he's actually vigi so we can lynch someone else? Serious question, I don't know the best course of action.
##Unvote: Eden1892
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I won't be here before deadline and am posting on phone right now so I'll try to make this short. I think mafia not knowing what Tamburini is is more helpful to us than killing him right now. So I'm deciding now to go back to sweetfrost.
vote sweetfrost
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We can talk at night, right?
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On May 02 2014 09:00 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Shoot, didn't put down the point that epishade brought up in the post. Here it is: Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 15:29 Epishade wrote:
So looking back through again, it seems I have missed something. I hadn't seen the vote count until after posting this but,
Sweetfrost actually voted for Sqrt while Tamburini voted for Yellow. That is quite strange to me, but Sweetfrost could have been keeping his vote on Sqrt early, just to switch on Yellow when more people jumped on Yellow so he doesn't look as scummy. His rationale for voting Sqrt was just that he thought either Bunny or Yellow was scum, but not both, so he didn't want to risk it and voted Sqrt. I don't think anybody else has any real fear of Bunny being actual scum right now, and her actions read town to me, so I think Sqrt was covering his tracks through his action here, ready to switch the vote out later when people started calling Yellow scum again. This is after Epishade townreads sweetfrost.
I think you made a mistake, I didn't townread sweetfrost. I scumread him with my scumteam post, and then I made this post because his vote made little sense to me. It kind of contradicted with what I thought earlier about the scumteam consolidating votes, but then I found reasoning for it (in that he could switch later) and wanted to explain that as an appendage to my scumteam post.
Sweetfrost did little to actually defend himself. Lynching him gave us information to move forward. It sucks that he ended up being town, but I don't think voting for him was the "wrong" move given the information we had to work with at the time.
As for your claim that I was piggybacking on Bunny's vote on Sweetfrost:
I may have been doing that a bit. I generally want to see what other people think about my theories before I try pushing them. Other people may see things that I overlooked. If it turns out that they agree with them, I figure I didn't overlook anything and I'll continue with my theory. It might make me look scummy, but I think it'd look worse withholding this information if someone else found it later - but I did the same thing before with Tamburini. I made my scumteam post, then Meat agreed with me and voted for Tamburini, and then I voted for Tamburini as well. I believe my theories are correct when I come up with them (who wouldn't believe in their own theories?), but I always accept the possibility that I'm probably way off. I judge other people's acceptance of my theories as to how well my theories are and if I should continue with them or not.
Even if Bunny didn't end up voting for Sweetfrost though, I still would have. It was a toss-up between Tamburini and Sweetfrost for me, and I felt that Sweetfrost was a better pick between the two.
I did switch a lot too. One of those switches was on Eden, but that was only because I thought there could only be 1 potential vigi in the game. Eden cleared that up for me and I admit I read the rules wrong. And, hell, everyone was just arguing for and against Tamburini and Sweetfrost that I didn't know who to pick. Ended up going with Sweetfrost in the end obv, but I didn't make up my mind until a couple hours before the lynch.
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On May 02 2014 09:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 09:29 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I meant the question in a different way. You're thinking about what happened. I want to know where you're gonna go from here now, and how sweetfrost flipping town affected your thoughts. You asked what I thought about a previous event...dunno how I was supposed to get to future implications from that. Personally I am going to have to agree with Tamburini on this one. Talking too much at night is just plain bad imo. I have my interpretation of what happened and a path that I will personally push for if I am alive. Explaining that now I don't really see as the greatest idea. That, and results of night actions could change that pov.
Can you explain why this is for me, as a new player?
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Very well, I can wait until the next day to make my case if I'm still alive.
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I think Mafia would want to kill Tamburini, right? They don't know if he's vigi or serial killer.
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Well, I really only have suspicions at this point of a few people. I don't think it would matter to bring them up at this point because the people that I have suspicions on are already suspected by others. If I die, other people will still think they're suspicious (I hope, they should) and question them a bit more.
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Hey sorry for not saying much guys. I'm at my grandma's for the weekend and I can't really play much during the day. I'll have to play during the night when she's asleep for now, but I should be better when I get back to my dorm late sunday or monday. I'm catching up now on what I missed and if I see anything to respond to or points I feel should be brought up I'll try to answer them.
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Ok, so I see my name getting thrown around quite a bit between Yellow and Sqrt.
Ritoky seems to be still unwilling to accept my defense of Yellow that I've given before multiple times. I view this as stubborn town more so than anything. The fact that I placed him in my scum team along with Tamburini and Sweetfrost is also enough reason for me to see his justification in his thinking I'm scum. When those two turned up not mafia (well, I think it's clear Tamburini isn't mafia anyways), I'm not surprised he thinks I'm mafia leading town astray and wants to get rid of me. He's also suspicious of Sqrt because Sqrt believes I'm town. Probable town for me.
Sqrt has been talking a lot and attempting to get everyone's reads on the situation. He may not be doing the most in-depth scum hunting in this game right now, as it seems he's asking a lot of small questions and leaving small responses, but I don't find that indicative of scum. He suggests other people do the theories and scum-hunting and stuff, but I feel that he's getting the information out there for people to actually use when someone does come up with some more theories. I felt that he was town early in this game because a lot of his responses seemed to be exactly what I was thinking at the time and were based on logical conclusions. Also probable town for me.
Eden seems to have a lot of town contributions under him. He pushed for that Tamburini vote pretty hard after Tamburini claimed vigi. I feel that we should have let the problem work itself out, and it seems to have done so for now. I think we're pretty clear that Tamburini isn't mafia at this point (that would have been a BOLD claim for Tamburini to make if he were) and I still think we get more information out of lynching other suspected people. Neutral for me right now.
Sorry if I'm a bit slow in responding, this mouse and keyboard I'm working with sucks, and I refreshed in chrome to see new responses and my whole reply I had typed up got deleted! (lol). It doesn't do that in firefox dammit!
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I'm not.
I really hope Yellow isn't mafia because then I'm screwed lol.
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Amiko asked me before he died (god bless his soul) to deliver my thoughts on Dravernor and Sqrt. I did Sqrt in the post above so I'll talk about what I think about Dravernor.
Dravernor started out thinking that me and Bunny were scum early on. I might understand thinking EITHER myself or Bunny was scum, but I think it's weird to pin us both down as suspicious. If anything, I'd say I acted more suspicious than Bunny in that situation because I was defending someone, so it's a little strange he suspected both of us. I feel like he could have been waiting to see what other people thought about the situation so that he might jump on either one of us if people selected one of us to lynch.
On April 29 2014 14:18 dravernor wrote:
I think we've been off to a pretty aggressive start already tbh. I now think I am going to be useless at this game because everyone and no-one looks scummy. I think the top two suspects here in my eyes are Epishade and 27ninjabunnies as they have been pressing and deflecting the most for what looks like an early lynch. But, the game is still young and I don't really know many of you yet, so I could be reading wrong completely.
Then he says he doesn't believe Yellow is scummy for pretty much no reasoning.
On April 29 2014 14:19 dravernor wrote:
For some reason Yell0w doesn't strike me as scummy, despite all the posts about him.
If Dravernor were scum, I can see how this would be an act of going half-way. He says he believes in Yellow's innocence here but doesn't rule out the "possibility" of lynching him if the tides were to turn against Yellow. So basically, he sets himself up for a potential bus in case things go wrong. He continues in taking the side of Yellow's probable innocence, and still doesn't give much reason for his choice.
On April 30 2014 02:29 dravernor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 02:13 Amiko wrote:
@yell0w and @dravernor if you are still in thread would you put a few comments on my points regarding Eden and Yell0w above? I won't be here as much this afternoon so would like to get some back and forth while I can. Hmm, I'm still not sure about Yell0w, he really doesn't seem too suspicious to me after the initial frenzy around his nonchalant post about being mafia, but I am not ruling him out, just watching carefully. He did contradict himself though, as bunnies pointed out. Also, you make a very good case about Eden - he did throw around a few votes. It definitely didn't go unnoticed that he voted dfs in the same post he said we should give the Euros a chance to wake up before accusing. I'm going to filter Eden's posts when I have a bit more time and try to figure this out. It turns out that I was still too sleepy to read the posts made before I woke up, so I am rereading through to make sure I understood things properly.
I could be reading into this too much possibly, and he just didn't really feel like taking a side, but I feel that during a time where most people were talking directly about Yellow and taking sides, it's suspicious that he was reluctant to.
He's since moved Bunny to town (which I agree to) and me to scum (for my defensiveness early on).
However, his recent thoughts on Yellow have changed quite a bit as well.
On May 01 2014 02:22 dravernor wrote:Hello everyone, sorry, I have had a tiring few days at work. I am back now. You have left me a lot to catch up on. First off: @Amiko I think maybe my problem is that I am an easily persuaded person. If I think someone looks scummy, filter them, read other arguments against them, I can easily be convinced. When that person makes a good post in their own defense, I go back, read their filter and try to see it from their point of view. I then become uncertain. Hence getting back on the fence quite often. When I said everyone/no-one looks scummy, I meant that no-one was doing anything OBVIOUSLY scummy at the time but so early on in the game it is hard to get a read on people, and there were very small things like word choices here and there and phrasing that could be interpreted as scummy by almost every player. Which left that sort of conundrum of an 'everybody/nobody'. As for the overly aggressive/defensive quote, it was more that Epishade and Yell0w were very defensive, and bunnies was very aggressive. This too was early on in the game and before I got around to understanding how bunnies was just trying to put on pressure to get reactions and get the conversation flowing some more. Now I definitely appreciate that pressure as it has revealed a lot more about the players in question and given the rest of us a chance to look at them more in depth. Thus my read on bunnies has gone from a possible scum play to probably the most town. She really seems the most proactive in hunting right now. This however does backtrack on my initial possible theory of a clever Epishade/bunnies diversion. I had pretty much discarded this theory anyway in favour of only one of them being scum, and I am still swinging towards Epishade. Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior. I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting. I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me. But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch? I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1. Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird. This post is probably what set me off most. He then edited it to say *'would have been spot on'. Was his initial post his thought flow? The edit came two minutes after, which seems to me to be a short enough space of time for him to correct a genuine grammar mistake, rather than him reflecting on his wording. This post happens just before he starts defending Yell0w, which then of course raises the possibility that instead of an Epishade/bunnies mafia we could possibly be having an Epishade/Yell0w mafia - as a few of you have already pointed out, most notably in Eden's post: Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 06:03 Eden1892 wrote:
- Yell0w is scum.
- Epishade still feels like he could be Yell0w's partner, but he's active and I think I read too much into his posts last night and saw something that wasn't actually there. The only major mark I have against him is that he's remaining noncommittal about Yell0w. It's weird that he says he's "not against the lynch yet" wrt Yell0w, but he was already actively defending him against the lynch last night. If Yell0w is town (and I don't think he is, but for sake of argument), then I'll move Epishade to my town pile. If Yell0w is scum then I can't ignore my intuition telling me "kill this guy."
As Amiko said, I am quite a non-committal person and I know myself well enough to know that I am easily persuaded by good arguments. I'm well aware it is a flaw for this type of game, so I am going to do my best to stick to my convictions from here on in until the suspect player can prove themselves innocent. My thoughts on Eden - His initial willingness to vote random people for the smallest of reasons was what made me raise an eyebrow, especially as he voted for dfs in the same post he said to give the Euros a chance to post. This made no sense to me. It seemed as though he was willing to cast his vote in any direction for no apparent reason. I have since learned from Amiko that it is a way of getting people to talk about it and possibly force some conversation and defensiveness out of the person targeted. It still struck me as strange though. I am still on the fence on Eden, I think I need to reread his filter, and I will perhaps double post with my thoughts. I will just say that he provided a strong case against Yell0w in my opinion. Prior to that I had been very obviously on the fence about Yell0w. Which brings me to Yell0w. I don't mean to BW here, but my suspicions have since been raised. At first I thought it was pretty unfair that he was being targeted for a joke, but his comments afterwards made me wonder what the hell he was up to. He clearly didn't respond well to bunnies' pressure which made him a prime suspect (and lead to my interest in Epishade). I then thought perhaps I was reading too much into him and went back to my little fence to watch some more when Eden produced that case study that pushed me a little. Whilst I am still not 100% convinced that Yell0w is scum, he is going to remain high up on my watch list. I guess I am leaning more towards Epishade being scum and if I am right then Yell0w will be the next on my list, but until then I am going to reserve my opinion until I have a little more evidence for Yell0w.sqrt I really don't understand. He has been posting a lot, and most of them are short posts asking for information on other players. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment, it could either be extremely town or extremely mafia. It is town in that he is pushing for conversation and wanting input from others (which is a good thing), but I think it could also be pro mafia strategy to avoid giving out too much information himself - the more he asks other people for info and their reads the less he has to talk about his own. I don't like this much. I also get the feeling he is very abrupt. He doesn't beat around the bush much, but when he does he is quite hazy on his views unless pushed to expand. Even then they are fairly short explanations and not really an explanation of his thought process. I actually just noticed that ritoky mentioned the same things and sqrt responded saying it was his posting style. I think that maintaining that posting style is going to keep him in a negative light for me because I won't get around to understanding him as much as I would like to. I have a lot more to say on the other players actually, but I don't have enough time right now. Will continue a bit later, and tomorrow is a holiday so I will have PLENTY of time to analyze and read cases. The players I am planning on covering in a bit more depth need a bit more research time for me.
Here he says he is quite suspicious of Yellow now. It's quite a change, and for reasons I still don't fully understand, but his change from Yellow as probable town (for whatever reason idk) to Yellow as suspicious, at a time when he still could have gone either way based on other people's thoughts on Yellow and not have had people think twice about his decision to do so, leads me to a few choices based on different scenarios.
If Yellow flips town, I'd say Dravernor looks a little scummy in this instance, but not enough to convince me of being full-blown mafia. There's still a possibility that he was concerned that Yellow's strange acting and responses made him think Yellow was scummy enough for him to switch his vote convincingly.
If Yellow flips scum, Dravernor is clear town.
Right now, I'd say Dravernor is neutral for me. Not enough evidence to lynch him. If anything, lynching Yellow would give everybody the most information we'd need right now to move forward, based on whose sides people have taken for and against Yellow.
Though I don't like lynching someone I think is town, especially after I defended them so strongly in the beginning of the game, I think it would give us the most useful information. If someone can convince me to move to a better vote, or something else big happens, I'm not opposed to changing it to someone better.
But just for now,
##VOTE: Yell0w
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And with that, I'm going to sleep. I'll be on later tomorrow night as well to read responses, but I probably won't have much time to add much else until I get back Sunday.
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