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Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.
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Omni I like you, we can be friends, and our friendship will crush the awful OO/thrawn one. Whatdoyousay?
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On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?
No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? I see no reason to think he is town.
That doesn't really answer the question.
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On April 15 2014 21:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? I see no reason to think he is town. That doesn't really answer the question. Exactly. I am going to be very upset if this is a game in which I have to drag every piece of information out of you. You can clearly see I am considering Omni as scum, you say he is towniest town that towned and don't give a single reason. Who is at fault here? I am trying to scumhunt here. You are trying your best to be obstructive. Not pressuring Omni at all, calling everybody who thinks there is a slight possibility he is scum bad (as you don't think there is a reason to share your 100% townread on omni) and you are wasting our time. So. Can you give all your reads so far this game and give me an explanation for those reads? I want to go forward.
(1) Why would I pressure Omni, I think he is town?
(2) I haven't called anyone who thinks omni is scum bad. Why are you making up things that are clearly not true?
(3) You don't want to drag every piece of information out of me, but you admit to not answering my questions properly on purpose, and then try to say I'm the one being obstructive? What?
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On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...
If I get rb'd then it's fine, the DT gets a check at least
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On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.
Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ... There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK): 1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on. 2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information. 3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff. I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.
"I am going to be very upset if this is a game in which I have to drag every piece of information out of you."
How is that bullshit?
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Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything.
On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right?
Yes!
On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target.
I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better.
FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me?
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On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
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Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness.
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I took a shower you moron. I can't be at my computer 24/7.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
You didn't answer my question at all, by the way, you've just been bitching for no reason. Saying "because all of you have done nothing" isn't a reason to be hard-defending mderg so badly, and stopping any attempts to pressure from happening.
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Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this:
On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?
On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.
On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
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Actually yeah, I'm voting for kush, I like his lynch over mderg
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On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move.
Well, this is a lovely OMGUS.
(1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it.
(2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie.
(3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town.
(4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously.
(5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous.
You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense.
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I did give an explanation omni, on both mderg and kush. I think mderg is more likely scum after his attack on me, his reasoning was just wrong, and he just called me scum for terrible reasons.
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EBWOP: My vote on mderg was more of a pressure thing though, hence the few reasons.
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On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move. Well, this is a lovely OMGUS. (1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it. (2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie. (3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town. (4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously. (5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous. You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense. (1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it. (2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read. (3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any. (4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum. (5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with. Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies.
(1) I don't wanna.
(2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush.
(3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things.
I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum?
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On April 16 2014 23:30 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 23:19 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 22:51 mderg wrote:On April 16 2014 22:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. I already said that I can´t see any way that town could get anything out of this. It´s very dangerous for scum to do this, though. So this gives skanjab some town points. On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum? No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum? (1) I don´t think you ever gave a reason for this. Basing your read on nothing seems scummy to me.On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
(2) That´s funny, since you have more posts than me but until that post I can´t see any scumhunting from you at all. Still not a single read based on your own reasoning.
On April 16 2014 19:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why are you so against his lynch Koshi?
You're throwing out other random names and saying 'hey, lynch this guy instead, dont kill mderg!" when mderg hasn't done anything that I can see that should make you so sure of his towniness. (3) Isn´t it the accuser who has to bring in the proofs? Yeah, I didn´t do much until now but you´re just going with thrawn without giving anything yourself.On April 16 2014 20:06 Skanjab1s wrote:Calm down sweetcheeks, I didn't mean it. I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now.
(4)To me the bold part sounds like you don´t even care who gets lynched.(5)Also how can you be sure that the answers to his questions wouldn´t help him figure out any alignments. Maybe he can figure out alignments based on that. Only way you can be sure that he can´t figure out any alignments is if you´re scum yourself.
Right now I think you´re scum. The only thing that might speak against that is the vig claim. But even that could just be a ballsy scum move. Well, this is a lovely OMGUS. (1) I didn't give a reason for it, and I'm not going to, but that doesn't mean I don't have a reason for it. (2) I have been scumhunting though, not just posting paragraphs complaining about 1-liners and discussing stuff that has no relevance to actually finding scum. I have given reads too. So that whole thing is just a blatant lie. (3) I have brought in proofs though. I gave my reasons for thinking you are scum. Koshi on the other hand is hard-defending you when there is no reason why he should think you are that town. (4) There is more than 1 scum. Me thinking that kush is scum also doesn't mean I don't care about the lynch, obviously. (5) Read the questions please. The answers to those questions can not help him figure out the alignment of a person in any way. And 'the only way I can be sure is if im scum?" When the answer to those questions cannot be alignment indicative, how would me knowing this make me scum? That's just ridiculous. You're reaching really hard with these points on me. Half of them are lies and the other half don't even make sense. (1) Why are you not going to? I can´t trust a read, if there´s no reason given for it. (2) at the time of the quoted post your only read was omni and you didn´t give any reason for that read. (3) where did you bring proofs in? I didn´t see any. (4) It´s the tone that makes me think that, not that you think kush is scum. (5) I read those questions on the first one I agree with you but the answers to questions 2 and 3 could maybe support a read. I don´t think the questions were good but saying they cannot help in any way is something I don´t agree with. Maybe some of my points don´t make sense to everyone but NONE of them are lies. (1) I don't wanna. (2) No, that's incorrect. I had given a read on you, omni and kush. (3) In the post where I said that I agreed that your opening paragraph post was scummy, due to you not scumhunting but instead feigning contribution by making a huge post about irrelevant things. I think I missed something, Omni, why is thrawn scum? (1) So you´re purposefully withholding information? (2) Before you made the post I quoted you had only given a read on omni. Then you based the read on me on the fact that I haven´t done active scumhunting even though you also didn´t actively hunt scum before that (3) It wasn´t you who brought in the "proofs", it was thrawn. You only rephrased what he said. More importantly those aren´t proofs because not doing anything particularly townie in the first 24 hours is not proof of being scum.
(1) Yes
(2) At the time of your post, I had given reads on omni, you, and kush, go back and read.
(3) Thats not the just of the points on you. Agreeing with someone's points and elaborating is 'proofs'.
Koshi: No, I'm not
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Yeah that^ I don't know why Koshi is overreacting so much when OTW was just accounting for both possibilities. I think he misinterpreted his post.
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On April 17 2014 01:10 mderg wrote:(2) I wasn´t talking about the time of my post. I meant at the time of this post: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
Well, that's just silly. At the time of your one post you didn't have reads on anyone. That's like me calling everyone scummy because at a certain time, they didn't share reads on anyone.
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On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now.
But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game.
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On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down.
Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this.
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Oh wow, there are quite a few votes on him already.
I haven't read the last 10 pages or so, and I'm going out now, but I'll read them when I get back and say my thoughts.
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I was roleblocked.
Still catching up, I'm about 10 pages behind.
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I'm voting OO. I haven't really read the thread and I just don't have the time, I'm sorry.
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On April 20 2014 06:52 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote:mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow  It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case. As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1. ##vote ObviousOne Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on. I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though.
I basically claimed vig because I wasn't going to be able to play much from this weekend onwards, so I wanted to soak a kp or rb from scum, which kinda worked. Also, I just thought it'd be a fun thing to do.
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Yay!
This was all me. You're welcome town.
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I promise you guys that I am town.
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From what I've read so far, everyone is just focusing on a Vivax/Me team. Who do you think would be scum if I had to flip green? You should account for this and not just focus so hard on Vivax/Me being scum that once I'm lynched you get stuck not knowing who the last scum is.
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I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg.
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On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs!
What in my filter is scummy, specifically?
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On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too!
I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity. It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.
I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame.
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On April 22 2014 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 08:01 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly. yes you read it right. Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them. posts like this are why i want to lynch vivax. so from a town vivax's point of view, this would be the best he can come up with? i don't buy it. The first major problem is that vivax isn't considering OTW as possible scum. He's not worried about OTW's alignment at all. In fact he hasn't mentioned OTW since D1. This doesn't have mean anything regarding OTW's alignment, my point is that vivax is not considering all possible suspects. I really really hate this post: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 14:47 Vivax wrote:On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town. I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation. This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game. And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town. In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win. BE II and the omgus toy story game have nothing to do with skan's alignment. Here Vivax is appealing to the emotions of the people who lost BEII/TSM.
In addition to this, what I also find interesting, is that in the beginning of this, Vivax is equating me with him in the OMGUS game for our claims, where he claimed miller, and was lynched, and flipped town. And now, to stop a repeat of this happening he wants to lynch me (who fakeclaimed vig) because i'll flip...scum? That logic doesn't really add up.
On April 22 2014 23:50 Vivax wrote:Of course I bring up the mistakes bad townies make cause of my strong personal involvement in those games. I pushed Dandel in british. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam for being unreadable in Toy Story, other townies actually thought I was scummy for pushing those targets who turned out to be scum, same is happening with you cause I'm pushing Skanja. This game is no different and people like you don't learn from their mistakes so I have to remind them. No, I'm not sure between Kush and mderg as the last scum. If it were so easy I would be sure, hence why we have to lynch skanja. He is by no means acting townie as you say. Kush gave him a townread cause skanja said what he wanted to hear. He perfectly and completely imitated kush and thrawn's point of view in his townread post (Kush and thrawn town, everybody else scum). The fact that he mentions a flipped guy and a claimed vig among his townreads only displays that he's writing ANYTHING to appease people and give his scumbuddy a reason to townread him. His reasons for the fakeclaim are complete bullshit: Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 06:48 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too! I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity.It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame. The bolded is a perfect example of a bullshit reason. Why is it bullshit? Cause no matter if he claimed vig as town or scum, the effects would still be the same at this point, making his claim an advantage for a town skanja as well as a scum skanja, yet he turns it around saying that cause he has that advantage he has to be town while he wouldn't have it as scum...for what reasons??? No logic behind this post. It's another lie from a liar.
Okay, explain how there is an advantage of me fake-claiming vig as scum, at this point in the game. Because this is the only reason you are able to give as to why I'm scum. That doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all. Also, please explain how my logic here is bullshit?
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It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from.
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On April 23 2014 00:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 22 2014 08:01 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly. yes you read it right. On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them. posts like this are why i want to lynch vivax. so from a town vivax's point of view, this would be the best he can come up with? i don't buy it. The first major problem is that vivax isn't considering OTW as possible scum. He's not worried about OTW's alignment at all. In fact he hasn't mentioned OTW since D1. This doesn't have mean anything regarding OTW's alignment, my point is that vivax is not considering all possible suspects. I really really hate this post: On April 21 2014 14:47 Vivax wrote:On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town. I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation. This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game. And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town. In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win. BE II and the omgus toy story game have nothing to do with skan's alignment. Here Vivax is appealing to the emotions of the people who lost BEII/TSM. In addition to this, what I also find interesting, is that in the beginning of this, Vivax is equating me with him in the OMGUS game for our claims, where he claimed miller, and was lynched, and flipped town. And now, to stop a repeat of this happening he wants to lynch me (who fakeclaimed vig) because i'll flip...scum? That logic doesn't really add up. On April 22 2014 23:50 Vivax wrote:Of course I bring up the mistakes bad townies make cause of my strong personal involvement in those games. I pushed Dandel in british. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam for being unreadable in Toy Story, other townies actually thought I was scummy for pushing those targets who turned out to be scum, same is happening with you cause I'm pushing Skanja. This game is no different and people like you don't learn from their mistakes so I have to remind them. No, I'm not sure between Kush and mderg as the last scum. If it were so easy I would be sure, hence why we have to lynch skanja. He is by no means acting townie as you say. Kush gave him a townread cause skanja said what he wanted to hear. He perfectly and completely imitated kush and thrawn's point of view in his townread post (Kush and thrawn town, everybody else scum). The fact that he mentions a flipped guy and a claimed vig among his townreads only displays that he's writing ANYTHING to appease people and give his scumbuddy a reason to townread him. His reasons for the fakeclaim are complete bullshit: On April 22 2014 06:48 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too! I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity.It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame. The bolded is a perfect example of a bullshit reason. Why is it bullshit? Cause no matter if he claimed vig as town or scum, the effects would still be the same at this point, making his claim an advantage for a town skanja as well as a scum skanja, yet he turns it around saying that cause he has that advantage he has to be town while he wouldn't have it as scum...for what reasons??? No logic behind this post. It's another lie from a liar. Okay, explain how there is an advantage of me fake-claiming vig as scum, at this point in the game. Because this is the only reason you are able to give as to why I'm scum. That doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all. Also, please explain how my logic here is bullshit? My miller claim was real. Yours was fake. On omgus I got lynched over Alakaslam,now I'm at danger at getting lynched over a liar who never was of any help to the game, who never tried to take influence over a lynch for good or for bad. Claiming vig will not get you NKd and you should know that. The only reason you would do that is to get a CC or do it yourself, fake a shot using scum KP like I did in some games, get a free pass D1 on top of everything. You say the vig fakeclaim would be terrible scum play. So, what would be different at this point between the version where you're scum and the version where you're town? How didn't the vig claim work out for you? Do nothing D1, get a chance of finding out who the vig is D1, say you hoped to get NKd when it turns out your claim was fake.
Claiming vig can get you Nk'd? I don't know why you'd think that this is impossible. And I didnt fake a shot, nor did I need a free pass D1, as I could still play actively then. You're running out of reasons to say why this is scummy, so now you're reverting to the "Well, in this hypothetical situation that didnt occur, it would toootally be scummy". Yeah, it doesn't work like that.
For your question, the difference at this point is that, as scum, I'd have had to have thrown away a roleblock so that I could claim RB, and I'd be under extra suspicion for my fake-claim, while having gained nothing because I didn't use it to get out of a D1 lynch, and I didn't pose my claim in a way that would challenge counterclaims. As town, I have sunk a RB, (which, when I claimed, I didn't really realise, and was mainly hoping to get nk'd) and done what I would normally do, which is one point more helpful for town that what I'd have done if i had not fake-claimed. Also, it was fun.
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On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons.
Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads.
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He doesn't look town at all! His points are retarded!
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On April 23 2014 03:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. Oh jesus, it was actually the night vote. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Ok, let's put that mistake aside for a moment cause it could happen to town as well as to scum, or even could be a strategy to look as useless as possible. But if you look at the reasons you used to argue that FT is scum, it's those: - FT asks you questions - You ask if he played with you - replies no - You say he's scum cause he somehow knows your play makes you town, when he 1. said nothing of you being town and the same could be applied to anyone else besides mderg, who you said IS SCUM when he was the only guy calling you scum. Damned if I do damned if I don't. 2. Asked you questions that were most likely hinting at him not immediately buying your claim. @ Kush Why am I supertown now? Spell it out plz.
He actually did say that he believes the claim is genuine, which would make me town.
The reasons I used were actually:
- FT says that, from his past experiences with me, I wouldn't do something so rash as scum.
- I ask if he has played with me on omgus (to see if he had played a game with scum-me)
- He replies no
- I say he's scum because he made up a reason to call my claim genuine. (He had no previous experience with me as scum, so I didn't know why, as town, he'd try to imply that he has).
The same cannot be applied to anyone else in the game. I don't understand that.
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I have never rolled scum on TL before, I think he's played a game with me, but it would have been a game where I was town, so he wouldn't have known how I'd play as scum.
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On April 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:Collection of Skanjab's scumhunting content + Show Spoiler +I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now. It's not much and it's not very hard for scum to make those arguments.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's well known that I haven't contributed much. Why are you only thinking I'm scum for this now? That information has been there for days
On April 23 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:im rereading and skan's content is so shit compared to OTW's. I'm not sure skan's claim makes sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 07:19 Skanjab1s wrote:
I basically claimed vig because I wasn't going to be able to play much from this weekend onwards, so I wanted to soak a kp or rb from scum, which kinda worked. Also, I just thought it'd be a fun thing to do. As town I would be more inclined to fake claim if I was active, rather than inactive. Because that way I could prove my towniness despite the fake claim. why did it only kind of work?
I didn't read the OP, so didn't know that scum had RB's until someone mentioned it after I claimed, I assumed that scum would have to shoot me, which would take me out of the game before I became inactive. Soaking an RB is coo' though, so thats why it kinda worked.
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On April 24 2014 03:29 kushm4sta wrote:
tweak why should i even townread you?
Because if you don't I'll call you shit forever for reading me as scum.
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On April 24 2014 03:18 kushm4sta wrote:
who gives a fuck about eating a shitty rb
Duh. Read my post. It wasn't the intention.
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On April 24 2014 04:11 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2014 03:37 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 24 2014 03:29 kushm4sta wrote:
tweak why should i even townread you? Because if you don't I'll call you shit forever for reading me as scum. but if you are scum and i read you as town, then what will you do?
Laugh at me being able to fool you by just answering these silly questions correctly.
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*shrugs* There aren't any that haven't been asked, really. I'm not sure, read my tone or something, I guess? Or you could just hope that I'm town and believe in my pleas
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Thats what you get for thinking that, thrawn.
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Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn, I think him and OTW are the last two scum.
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On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW?
I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now.
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On April 26 2014 03:33 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
OTW basically here is the situation. We have to figure out who is most likely scum out of Vivax, skanjab aka tweak, and yourself.
CAN YOU HELP?
What are your thoughts on the scumteam and who you want to lynch? Well I'm in an equally sticky situation seeing as I am in the same boat but your name instead of mine. However, I think I'd much rather stick to my gut that said you were town initially than to take everything I was saying about you for the past few days as scum indicative. Now that I look at it with some clarity (and thrawn, koshi and mderg being town etc) I can see someone being less involved in the game as town because they had town reads on a lot of the people and so the game becomes relatively simple at that point. Thus, my initial read would take precedence over you being scummy for not paying attention. I also read over the pages that I missed and your questioning of Skanjab1s seemed very natural and like you wanted him to answer so you could solve his alignment rather than asking questions for the sake of blending in. That leaves me with Skanjab1s, he made a post that triggered some alarm bells for me here: Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. If there are 2 scum alive today and 5 people remain, then if he was town, he shouldn't be including something like this as if he is mistaken and the team was in fact me and you then the game would be over instantly. However, the way that it's worded is that if we lynch vivax today then he'd have to think about you tomorrow, implying there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments. His play overall has been severely lacking, he stated he wouldn't be around for a few days at the start of the game and so claimed vig, yet, he has returned several days ago and STILL done nothing of the sort of play that I'd imagine another towny to display, the only thing he has in fact done is answer questions to vivax and then failed in regards to answering your questions. When you asked if there were anymore questions that could be asked, it wasn't as if he was trying to solve your alignment or anyone elses but rather trying to prove his "alignment" instead.
I haven't actually returned really, I get the same amount of time to play as I did before, theres just much much less to read. I still only get a short while to play.
Also, if we lynch vivax today, and he flips scum like I think he will, then there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments, and to decide between you/kush. You're accusing me of doing the /exact/ same thing you just did at the beginning of your post, and the same thing kush is doing. (which is, deciding between the 3 of us which 2 are scum).
Kush, I don't know why you liked this post at all
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On April 26 2014 04:46 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 04:39 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 26 2014 03:33 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 26 2014 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
OTW basically here is the situation. We have to figure out who is most likely scum out of Vivax, skanjab aka tweak, and yourself.
CAN YOU HELP?
What are your thoughts on the scumteam and who you want to lynch? Well I'm in an equally sticky situation seeing as I am in the same boat but your name instead of mine. However, I think I'd much rather stick to my gut that said you were town initially than to take everything I was saying about you for the past few days as scum indicative. Now that I look at it with some clarity (and thrawn, koshi and mderg being town etc) I can see someone being less involved in the game as town because they had town reads on a lot of the people and so the game becomes relatively simple at that point. Thus, my initial read would take precedence over you being scummy for not paying attention. I also read over the pages that I missed and your questioning of Skanjab1s seemed very natural and like you wanted him to answer so you could solve his alignment rather than asking questions for the sake of blending in. That leaves me with Skanjab1s, he made a post that triggered some alarm bells for me here: On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. If there are 2 scum alive today and 5 people remain, then if he was town, he shouldn't be including something like this as if he is mistaken and the team was in fact me and you then the game would be over instantly. However, the way that it's worded is that if we lynch vivax today then he'd have to think about you tomorrow, implying there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments. His play overall has been severely lacking, he stated he wouldn't be around for a few days at the start of the game and so claimed vig, yet, he has returned several days ago and STILL done nothing of the sort of play that I'd imagine another towny to display, the only thing he has in fact done is answer questions to vivax and then failed in regards to answering your questions. When you asked if there were anymore questions that could be asked, it wasn't as if he was trying to solve your alignment or anyone elses but rather trying to prove his "alignment" instead. I haven't actually returned really, I get the same amount of time to play as I did before, theres just much much less to read. I still only get a short while to play. Also, if we lynch vivax today, and he flips scum like I think he will, then there WOULD be another day to determine more alignments, and to decide between you/kush. You're accusing me of doing the /exact/ same thing you just did at the beginning of your post, and the same thing kush is doing. (which is, deciding between the 3 of us which 2 are scum). Kush, I don't know why you liked this post at all The difference is that I am not sure if you are scum or vivax is scum or kushm4sta is scum and so I am asking follow up questions to make sure that what I was thinking was in fact right. You on the other hand make a sweeping statement with no facts and no followup because you are sure of the facts and so instead of asking questions to lead to the ultimate goal of decision, instead, you just try and discredit the person that you need to get lynched.
There are no questions that I can ask that are going to make me any more sure of anyone's alignment. You haven't asked me any questions either. That answer makes no sense. Also, I discredit the arguments, not the people.
(By the way, I like, hope you're okay, the accident thing is awful, one of my friends got hit earlier this year in the same way)
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Calm down kush.
If I get lynched tomorrow (and am town), does town lose?
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The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory.
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On April 26 2014 20:43 kushm4sta wrote:
hilarious how opportunistic your change in scumreads has been, though
Brilliant how you say this and give no back-up.
Also, should I bring up how you had a mega-hard townread on me, until we got to lylo and vivax was looking like a good lynch candidate?
So please, tell me how my change in scumreads has been opportunistic. I've had the same 3 people as scum, and all I've done is think you are more scummy than OTW recently. You're the one who has been doing 180's. First you think my vig claim makes me super town, then suddenly when it gets to a point where you can push a mislynch on me, it doesn't make sense from a town perspective? You think my scumreads are good when it's okay to say I'm town, but when I replace a much townier OTW with you, suddenly my change in scumreads is opportunistic?
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On April 26 2014 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
well you said the scumteam was vivax, OTW. Now that I've townread OTW, you know that lynching OTW is not a possibility. So that's the real reason why your read on me has changed.
From when you were townreading me before the flip to now, what has changed to make you scumread me??
I actually scumread you initially. Then I changed to a townread because I thought you were being more indecisive townkushlike. This has definitely changed with your confidence in the lynch, and your sudden tryhardiness.
You /hard/ townread me, then suddenly changed for no reason. It's not like you found new things I did that you thought could be scummy, the things you said I was definitely town for suddenly became scummy. This is not a logical progression of a read.
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OTW, omni please get in here and contribute
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On April 26 2014 21:40 kushm4sta wrote:
the progression is this: i read your scummy contentless filter and after that I knew you were scum.
Your reason for scumreading me is based on an oversimplified meta that isn't even true as an oversimplification.
Your overconfidence and tryhardiness is completely true as your scum meta, and the change in your read of me, in the way you did it does not show a town thought process.
That progression thing is a lie. You knew I didn't contribute much, I wasn't here half the game. You knew that before you changed your read on me.
(OTW and Omni shouldn't just vote. They need to be here discussing this)
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On April 26 2014 21:57 kushm4sta wrote:
what game is that meta from?
when i read your filter it's not just that you didn't have a lot of content, it's that the content you did have was so surface level and scummy.
In almost all your scumgames you don't have the same weird paranoid doubtfulness that you have as town. The tryhardiness isn't a meta thing, i meant that often scum try more when one of their buddies just died and they're in lylo.
In what way was it scummy? Could you elaborate please
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That first quote makes me happier with my decision. Scum often like sandwiching one of their scummates between two town, when vivax said "Lynch him and either kush or mderg". Err, this doesn't really help you much, because it could be either one of us, but I'm confident, at least.
Here, I made a case against kush:
First, his behavior before the mderg lynch:
Firstly, he is okay with lynching vivax, this was when people were deciding between mderg and vivax to lynch:
On April 22 2014 10:17 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax is fine too i guess
Then Vivax comes in and makes a single post and he's all:
On April 23 2014 02:49 kushm4sta wrote:
Dude vivax looks town as fuck
Right after this, he launches into a full on bandwagon against mderg, pushing him really hard, taking all the attention off of vivax:On April 23 2014 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't know anymore lol. All I know is mderg is scummy as fuck. Mderg is scummy like the sun is hot.
On April 23 2014 03:04 kushm4sta wrote:
And mderg, otw would not surprise me.
On April 23 2014 05:41 kushm4sta wrote:
MDERG MDERG MDERG MDERG
On April 23 2014 07:23 kushm4sta wrote:
ya i thikn mderg is best
After this, he puts light pressure on vivax against to distance himself, and then straight away goes back to his mderg campaign: On April 23 2014 07:47 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax guess what
untownreading you
On April 23 2014 08:40 kushm4sta wrote:
just kill mderg
Secondly, right after the mderg lynch, he knows that Vivax is next on the lynch list, so he suddenly completely changes his super-hard townread of me:
On April 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:Collection of Skanjab's scumhunting content + Show Spoiler +I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now. It's not much and it's not very hard for scum to make those arguments.
On April 23 2014 23:31 kushm4sta wrote:
It really angers me when people fake claim a pr...
I'm thinking I should not be townreading skan.
This next one is specially scummy, because earlier, he said:
On April 18 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Mderg let's talk about skanjab. Always reminds me of skinjob which reminds me of handjob. Just saying.
But anyway I am thinking he could be town and just fake claiming vig to soak up an rb or something. What do you have to say about that possibility?
On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy.
Now, suddenly as the lynch is between myself and Vivax, he goes into his hardcore tunnel mode, like with mderg, and randomly the claim is scummy now:
On April 23 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:
im rereading and skan's content is so shit compared to OTW's.
I'm not sure skan's claim makes sense from a town perspective.
On April 25 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch skan. He has the least content.that is a pretty good indicator.
In these quotes he implies that I have the least content and that makes me scummy,
(1) He knows that I was away, so I wasn't going to have content regardless
(2) If he's talking about actual usefulness, and not just postcount, then he is contradicting himself, as earlier he said that he likes the way I'm thinking about the scumteam:
On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win.
Finally, his behavior after the Vivax lynch:
On April 26 2014 13:25 kushm4sta wrote:
now skan is the next lynch.
He immediately tries to set me up the next lynch. This is something scum often do after they have lost a scumbuddy; they try to hastily set up lynches to recover the momentum of their loss.
Now he's back into his hardcore tunnelling mode against me (remember, this was something that was present in his behavior around the cav (i think, i remember reading that somewhere but I haven't checked), mderg (when he tunneled mderg) and vivax (when he tunneled me) lynches.
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On April 27 2014 03:31 kushm4sta wrote:skan, this try hard is going to get you no where. save your energy and embrace the S word (the forbidden word and if you say it you get banned). just because i say "blank is scum" "blank is the next lynch" that does not respresent confidence in my reads as much as me just saying shit im thinking in the moment. I have been very unsure of my reads this game. but skan skipped over those posts. skan why are you reasonings scummy? because they are for shit like this. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg. dont you think this is like too scummy to be scum? of course scum is not gonna do this because it's so obviously scummy. know what im saying? whereas town might be more inclined to do this simply because they dont have reads yet. vivax/ skan was obvious bus in circumspect. skan scumread vivax with shit reasoning. vivax scumread skan with shit reasoning. scum knew they had to bus or their motives would have been obvious as hell. oh and OE saying this game was boring... please man. You get into the game what you put into it. And you haven't put in shit. You vigged yourself into confirmed town and you have been hardcore sheeping the rest of the game. So it pisses me off when you say you are bored, because in actually it's you who is the boring one, not the game. Status of this game: we are waiting for OTW to come back and tell skanjab he is full of shit.
(1) There's a difference between once, just randomly saying "we should lynch this guy" and having a whole multitude of posts about killing them.
(2) I scumread Vivax with shit reasoning? But kush, you said you liked my reasoning. You said "i am the only one thinking about the scumteam in a good way"
Your contradictions are lovely, kush.
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On April 27 2014 20:16 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:On April 27 2014 08:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh I didn't see my inbox notification they are super subtle. I was roleblocked the other day. I NEVER MISS AN INBOX NOTIFICATION. I was role blocked. The insignificance of this cannot be overestimated. It's at a tiny bar on the top of my phone. Anyway, my plan worked perfectly! Omni was going to lynch skan 100% whereas I said I liked skan. Skanjab1s only option coming into today would be to lynch kushm4sta as he was pushing you all last night. I said I liked skanjab1s and so if kushm4sta was scum I would be dead because omni would be voting skan with him. Seeing as I'm alive it points towards the inevitability that Skanjab1s is mafia. ##vote skanjab1s
That's silly reasoning.
(1) Kush thought you said you liked me as a lynch.
(2) It was really obvious that that's what you were doing.
But I'm done with this, I've posted my case. Do whatever
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On April 28 2014 02:49 OneThousandWords wrote:Here's the thing with your case Skanjab1s, it's just you reading his filters and pointing out things which show he had an evolution of thought process. Originally, I also thought it was a towny thing for you to claim being roleblocked but increasingly so your inactivity just seemed to weigh up more and more. I wouldn't be so hesitatnt if you played harder when you said you would (sorry if there's IRL stuff) but you didn't end up doing that and still claimed that you were busy. It's not until the FINAL DAY where YOU had also been town reading kushm4sta that YOU also suddenly switched your read on him from town to scum. You wrote things like: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote:
It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?
Huh? Thats the thing, his reads aren't a logical townie progression at all.
I went scum on kush because I was originally going by PoE, having not read the game. But with you coming in and being really towny, it made me rethink my poe thing, so I went and filtered kush and realised how scummy he has actually been.
If the quotes and stuff in the case don't make you see how scummy he is, then I can't really do much else.
Even his "don't bother with reasons, just lynch skan without thinking" thing is scummy as hell.
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On April 28 2014 02:49 OneThousandWords wrote:Here's the thing with your case Skanjab1s, it's just you reading his filters and pointing out things which show he had an evolution of thought process. Originally, I also thought it was a towny thing for you to claim being roleblocked but increasingly so your inactivity just seemed to weigh up more and more. I wouldn't be so hesitatnt if you played harder when you said you would (sorry if there's IRL stuff) but you didn't end up doing that and still claimed that you were busy. It's not until the FINAL DAY where YOU had also been town reading kushm4sta that YOU also suddenly switched your read on him from town to scum. You wrote things like: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote:
It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?
To elaborate, the way his read 'evolved' was -->
(1) Thinks Vivax is scummy when it looks like vivax is definitely going to be lynched
(2) Mderg looks like a second option
(3) vivax makes a single post
(4) Kush instantly hard-townreads him
(5) Kush pushes mderg reaaally hard.
This is super indicative of the way a scumteam behave.
Then, it's vivax and me being the other lynch candidate.
Now he starts randomly scumreading me FOR THE THINGS THAT HE PREVIOUSLY TOWNREAD ME FOR.
That is not a logical progression at all!
Also, you say this "his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?"
That's not correct, I had Vivax as one of the 3 possible scum the whole time, I didn't townread him and then quickly change to a scumread like kush did.
The difference in the evolution of our reads on each other is that after filtering kush i saw new things which heavily pointed to him being scum, and in kush's case he just called me scum for things that he already called me town for.
Does that explain what I'm trying to say better?
(Also yeah, my activity was low before, but this doesn't really make me scum, I couldn't play much, and it was hard to get into the game with 20 pages to read. It's higher now because there is much less to read.)
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On April 28 2014 04:17 kushm4sta wrote:
"kush is probably town! i dont even want to think about the possibility that kush is scum right now! makes my poor little townie brain hurt!" -skan
we lynch vivax
"KUSH IS SCUM GUYS. ALL MY SUSPICION OF OTW HAS VANISHED FOR NO REASONS. COINCIDENTALLY SWITCHING ME READ LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN WIN AS SCUM BUT DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT" - skan
Lol. It was PoE moron.
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Stop copying my arguments
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On April 28 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
skan the reason my reads change is because i read people's filters.
Right. Thats what you called me scum for the same reasons you called me town. Bravo.
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On April 28 2014 04:35 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 28 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
skan the reason my reads change is because i read people's filters. Right. Thats what you called me scum for the same reasons you called me town. Bravo. nope. i called you town because i thought it was unlikely scum would fake claim vig so cavalierly. i called you town because i tone read you as town. pretty retarded reasons for calling you town. I called you scum as soon as i read your filter and saw the reasons why you were scumreading people.
"I think the roleclaim makes twe3k town, theres no way scum would do that"
"Wait, I changed my mind, scum would totally do that"
I can do the annoying quotations thing too.
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On April 28 2014 10:59 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:27 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 28 2014 04:17 kushm4sta wrote:
"kush is probably town! i dont even want to think about the possibility that kush is scum right now! makes my poor little townie brain hurt!" -skan
we lynch vivax
"KUSH IS SCUM GUYS. ALL MY SUSPICION OF OTW HAS VANISHED FOR NO REASONS. COINCIDENTALLY SWITCHING ME READ LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN WIN AS SCUM BUT DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT" - skan Lol. It was PoE moron. What are you saying is PoE? Your initial town read of Kushm4sta or your now scum read on him? Or are you saying that I was scum purely because of PoE? In that case then Kushm4sta WAS a hard town read for you and so your switch looks incredibly more scum like. Also if you town read me now and scum read Kush that would purely make your read on Kushm4sta PoE then but you decided to write cases to prove that he is scum, here: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. and here: + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 02:24 Skanjab1s wrote:That first quote makes me happier with my decision. Scum often like sandwiching one of their scummates between two town, when vivax said "Lynch him and either kush or mderg". Err, this doesn't really help you much, because it could be either one of us, but I'm confident, at least. Here, I made a case against kush: First, his behavior before the mderg lynch: Firstly, he is okay with lynching vivax, this was when people were deciding between mderg and vivax to lynch: Then Vivax comes in and makes a single post and he's all: Right after this, he launches into a full on bandwagon against mderg, pushing him really hard, taking all the attention off of vivax: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't know anymore lol. All I know is mderg is scummy as fuck. Mderg is scummy like the sun is hot. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:04 kushm4sta wrote:
And mderg, otw would not surprise me. After this, he puts light pressure on vivax against to distance himself, and then straight away goes back to his mderg campaign: Secondly, right after the mderg lynch, he knows that Vivax is next on the lynch list, so he suddenly completely changes his super-hard townread of me: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:Collection of Skanjab's scumhunting content + Show Spoiler +I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now. It's not much and it's not very hard for scum to make those arguments. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:31 kushm4sta wrote:
It really angers me when people fake claim a pr...
I'm thinking I should not be townreading skan. This next one is specially scummy, because earlier, he said: Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Mderg let's talk about skanjab. Always reminds me of skinjob which reminds me of handjob. Just saying.
But anyway I am thinking he could be town and just fake claiming vig to soak up an rb or something. What do you have to say about that possibility?
Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. Now, suddenly as the lynch is between myself and Vivax, he goes into his hardcore tunnel mode, like with mderg, and randomly the claim is scummy now: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:
im rereading and skan's content is so shit compared to OTW's.
I'm not sure skan's claim makes sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch skan. He has the least content.that is a pretty good indicator. In these quotes he implies that I have the least content and that makes me scummy, (1) He knows that I was away, so I wasn't going to have content regardless (2) If he's talking about actual usefulness, and not just postcount, then he is contradicting himself, as earlier he said that he likes the way I'm thinking about the scumteam: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Finally, his behavior after the Vivax lynch: He immediately tries to set me up the next lynch. This is something scum often do after they have lost a scumbuddy; they try to hastily set up lynches to recover the momentum of their loss. Now he's back into his hardcore tunnelling mode against me (remember, this was something that was present in his behavior around the cav (i think, i remember reading that somewhere but I haven't checked), mderg (when he tunneled mderg) and vivax (when he tunneled me) lynches. Previously, it was his play that you town read him for. Now you say your scum read on him is from PoE? yet you decided to make cases on him based on his play that you initially town read him for, that's the opposite of PoE! Here: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. You said it was for his play. Then you made a giant case based on his play. Now you are saying you un-scumread me and thus Kush was a PoE switch of stance. That doesn't make sense!
No, you misunderstand. My scumread of you was purely PoE. I hadn't read the last 20ish pages of the game, but I remember thinking that kush/koshi/thrawn/omni were town just based on what I remembered. That just left you/vivax/mderg/oo. I townread kush based on his play just before I left, and just after I came back. So I thought that the scum would have to be in the other 4. I didn't have any concrete reasoning for thinking you were scum at all, I just didn't have any for thinking you were town, either, so I added you to the 'possible scum' list.
What kush was saying was that I had a hard scumread of you, and then just randomly changed it for no reason. This is untrue, is what I was saying. I didn't have kush as town by PoE, I thought the little bit of his play made him town. It was his play afterwards, while i was here, that made me change my mind on him.
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On April 28 2014 11:02 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:18 kushm4sta wrote:
otw i swear to god i will transcend space and time and jump through computer screens to murder you if you vote me. Well, I was tempted to but the more Skanjab1s posts about his read on you the more and more it doesn't add up. I also won't be around for most likely all of tomorrow so I think I'll have to leave my vote on him.
It adds up completely, you're trying overly hard to find missing pieces and things that don't add up, but it all makes sense!
Don't just leave your vote on me, think about the stuff I've been saying on kush please.
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Don't make me have to appeal to fear to get you to vote for kush, damnit! :D
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On April 29 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote:
skanjab wouldn't it be lolz if otw was scum.
Ahahah, I'd quit mafia forever. That'd be too much for me to handle.
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Anyway, I'm going now, I won't be back before the flip, so like, OTW, lynch kush pls.
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How the fuck were you town kush, what the fuck.
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