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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 06 2014 23:25 GMT
#21
/in why not.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 08:14 GMT
#137
On April 15 2014 14:32 ObviousOne wrote:
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On April 15 2014 13:54 Cavalinho wrote:
Hi.

Right on, right on. What you thinking about right now?


how much I want to go back to sleep at 4 in the morning Hi everybody
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 08:40 GMT
#139
100%
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 08:50 GMT
#142
I'm eating my breakfast man, can't start scum hunting before a good nutritious and balanced meal entirely composed of poptarts and eggo waffles. That being said of course I'm interested if you also have the spirit of the great maximus black and nova war instilled in you.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 09:00 GMT
#146
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 09:03 GMT
#149
On April 15 2014 18:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 15 2014 17:57 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: By the way, OmniEulogy not being interested in if Koshi was town or not can be reasoned by either him knowing his role or he's way too hungry and tired to think about it. Either way, I'm pretty interested about what he will pull out.

On April 15 2014 17:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm eating my breakfast man, can't start scum hunting before a good nutritious and balanced meal entirely composed of poptarts and eggo waffles. That being said of course I'm interested if you also have the spirit of the great maximus black and nova war instilled in you.

He's claiming that he has the spirit of the great maximus black and novawar instilled in himself.

I don't think so. This is fucking Mafia by the way. It's not about stopping cheesers or some weird shit. It's Hunter the Reckoning style.


are you robik


idk who that is but sure I'll be back in like 40 - 90 minutes.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 09:04 GMT
#150
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 09:38 GMT
#158
On April 15 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. It will come to you.


OmniEulogy
How are you doing buddy?


I'm pretty good losing at video games but enjoying it. how's your morning been
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 10:18 GMT
#164
On April 15 2014 18:49 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:38 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. It will come to you.


OmniEulogy
How are you doing buddy?


I'm pretty good losing at video games but enjoying it. how's your morning been

How do you discribe your scum play and your town play?


passive and spammy respectively lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 10:22 GMT
#166
On April 15 2014 19:20 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 19:18 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:49 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:38 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:20 Koshi wrote:
It's ok. It will come to you.


OmniEulogy
How are you doing buddy?


I'm pretty good losing at video games but enjoying it. how's your morning been

How do you discribe your scum play and your town play?


passive and spammy respectively lol

Ok.
Let me put scum next to your name then.


feel free to do what ever you want Koshi
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 11:45 GMT
#182
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 11:45 GMT
#183
EBWOP: an not and
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 12:06 GMT
#186
On April 15 2014 20:58 Djagulingu wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:45 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first.

It was as scumslip as "100%"

I don't see what you are seeing tbh.
I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin.

We will see.

You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.


weak pressure on Skan on an association based on his first post and riding Koshi's tail seems to be what you're doing though what that means you are thinking though no clue... *omg and easy way to seem like I'm doing something productive for town!* perhaps?

I actually AM doing something productive for town. Luring people into a sophisticated discussion, trying to make the game a high-post game instead of a low-post one that would be good for scumbags.

You can't say it didn't work, can you? Especially considering the fact that you jumped right in.


what? didn't you just join on Koshi's discussion? And then I really want to make people realize you tried to make an association case on Skan for his second post... yeah... you're totally up for sophisticated discussion as long as it involves shutting down everybody with an opinion that doesn't match yours by labeling them scum immediately =/
I'm not against the method I'm against how you do it.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 14:31 GMT
#222
On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
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On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

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And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 14:32 GMT
#223
EBWOP: what OneThousandWords said
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 14:40 GMT
#224
Also for what it's worth I like Skan's claim. Although I think it's fake and can be a detriment to town if he really is Vig or just VT scum has to deal with that during N1, and by itself I see it in a good light. I disagree with Djag in thinking that single action makes him scummy.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 14:41 GMT
#225
EBWOP: sorry for so many posts in a row there's a period missing after town in the above. =/
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 14:59 GMT
#228
On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.

Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.

Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.

What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town.


I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far
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On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

Show nested quote +
My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.


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On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.


I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.


Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.

Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n.
You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him.

The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking.

On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB
But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.


This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through.

I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.

Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that.


No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.



I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but

"I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)."

I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 16:15 GMT
#231
On April 16 2014 00:22 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 23:59 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 23:42 Koshi wrote:
I think what Djagulingu is saying is that he likes that OneThousandWords is questioning/doubting him before he follows Djagulingu his reads.

Djagulingu is ignoring the point OTW brought up. Not being defensive is a townie treat they told me in how-to-hunt-scum-school.

Personally I find it interesting but I haven't made conclusion about it yet.

What do you think of this chain of events Omni?
1) Djag got scumreads on 2 players
2) OTW questions Djag.
3) Djag calls OTW town.


I think Djag's thinking on that is pretty similar to my own. OTW has made decent points based on what people have said so far
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

Show nested quote +
My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.


+ Show Spoiler +
On April 15 2014 22:19 OneThousandWords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2014 22:16 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:14 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 22:00 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:57 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:45 kushm4sta wrote:
O Kochi I got you mixed up with some other dude.

Skan you realize you might be roleblocked ...


There's 3 possible scenario's here (although only if RB's are notified which OP doesn't mention AFAIK):

1) He is VT claiming a role and in which case he draws a RB and real roles can get on.
2) He is vig and draws a RB for better roles that give information.
3) He is mafia and has to claim being RB which enables all town roles to do their stuff.


I fixed that for you. Because that addendum was bullshit.


Why so? He just claimed vig. If he is mafia and claiming vig (which I agree is very very unlikely) then he has to claim being RB'd otherwise it would be incredibly suspicious. There is no way a claimed vig would not get RB'd or claim it if he is mafia because the risk of shooting mafia is always there.

Simply because you are also not yet sure if he is the real vigi y/n.
You believe he is VT, then mafia can think he is VT. Then mafia can not RB him.

The question is if this lie will be valuable for town in the end. Most of time lies end up bad. Because look how you are thinking.

On the one hand you say he can be VT if he draws a RB
But if he is VT and he didn't draw a RB you are opening a door to call him scum.


This is a silly line of reasoning. I think he is town for his claim. I don't think mafia come in at the start of the day and claim a role out of the blue that can be CC'd. The only scenario in which he could turn out to look mafia is indeed if he is VT, if he doesn't get RB'd and a vig shot goes through.

I find that scenario to be such an extreme outlier of a risk for mafia to take that it is a silly line of reasoning to go down at this point.

Is this still about the fact that you added "needs to be RB in case of mafia" and I disagreed with that.


No, it's about the fact that I think he is town for when he claimed and how he did it and all situations point to it being beneficial for town but then you determine that there is likely a mafia motive behind the play and talk about mafia gambling plays, which I think at this point is crazy.



I find it hard to call him scummy with posts like this although it's too early for me to call him town either for lack of anything substantial. Djag did say something that irked me a bit as I try to avoid this very thing in every game I've played but

"I can define my town play but I can't define my scum play (because I have never played scum in any mafia game. In fact, this is my second mafia game and I was a townie in the first)."

I can see him sticking OTW as town immediately for the above two reasons even though OTW is pressuring Djag as he does it.

1- Did you play any mafia game as a scum?
2- If your answer to the 1st question is no, can you tell me how you define your scum meta?


I was referring to the soft "I'm a newbie" claim rather than not playing scum before which is hardly your fault lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 17:34 GMT
#234
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


I noticed, why else would it bother me that he starts going back to being so inexperienced when it suits him? you contradict yourself with those two sentences if you are getting on my case about being irked by the soft newbie claim.
If you are asking just for clarification though then yes, to repeat myself for you it does.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:06 GMT
#237
On April 16 2014 02:47 Koshi wrote:
How did it suit him?


how does it not suit somebody to tell everybody how they think they play town/scum and then say "ah but I'm too new to hazard a guess about myself guess we'll never know" after it's already been pointed out that he's doing the exact opposite of what he said his town play is like.

you serious with these questions Koshi? They're really bad dude
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:16 GMT
#240
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.

Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:17 GMT
#241
On April 16 2014 03:11 Djagulingu wrote:
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On April 16 2014 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


I noticed, why else would it bother me that he starts going back to being so inexperienced when it suits him? you contradict yourself with those two sentences if you are getting on my case about being irked by the soft newbie claim.
If you are asking just for clarification though then yes, to repeat myself for you it does.

I filtered myself and looked at every single post of mine and I don't see where I "go back to being so inexperienced when it suits me".

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On April 12 2014 21:10 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: OMG I have to remember not to edit.

This post comes the closest and it was a considerable time before role pms were distributed. Can you please explain how you got that impression?


it'll literally two posts above this one. I'll just assume you were making that post when I made mine.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:57 GMT
#255
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?

No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.
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On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.


^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.

All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I see no reason to think he is town.


so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.


Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.

You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.



Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.


sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.
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#262
On April 16 2014 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:
can you summarize that post because im having trouble understanding it


Koshi's nickname could be Joe Biden so far this game and Djag dodged a valid question by OTW by telling him to go read a book. I tried for ya kush lol
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#264
On April 16 2014 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Are we scum?


Djab is scummy for sure. You I have no strong feelings for to either side.
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#269
On April 16 2014 04:36 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 04:34 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Are we scum?


Djab is scummy for sure. You I have no strong feelings for to either side.

Why are you not voting for him?


I did already.
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#271
On April 16 2014 04:37 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if you felt I was going to ask that. Because you only voted after I asked if you found him scummy


yup im a psychic, it's also why he's scum. Magical. Also I think it was before you asked but we'd need to know the exact time down to the second for that.
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#272
I have no hard feelings for it Koshi. no worries
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#401
I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.

Quick couple of things

Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.

I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)

My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.

Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.

Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.

Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.

To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.

The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.
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#403
@Skan while I agree with some of your points on that case, I still think your vote on mderg / kush with no explanation is pretty bad. Especially mderg at the time that it happened.
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#404
EBWOP: posted early T.T

do you (Skan) still believe mderg is scum after his case / defense vs the other lurkers in the game who have contributed less.

Personally I still feel like an mderg lynch is a bad direction for us to go in D1
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#410
On April 16 2014 23:03 Koshi wrote:
OmniEulogy,
Why have you still said nothing on Kush?


oh sorry, I had deleted a bit from my first post because while I was writing it mderg had posted and didn't notice.

I think Kush multiple times has seemed like he knew the alignments of players, or messed around like he knew he did, I definitely understand why people would vote to lynch him D1 due to shit like

"i realize the shit I've said has been pretty retarded but it's not like there was better shit to talk about that early in the game. two alpha towns figthing... what do you say about that.."

and that seems to be the extent of most of his posts really. I'll keep my vote on thrawn though as I see him more likely as mafia than kush currently.
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April 16 2014 14:18 GMT
#411
EBWOP: I hadn't noticed mderg's post, had to revise mine when I did.
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#414
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
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#419
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him.
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#442
To be fair, I think something would be more wrong with OTW if he wasn't considering both possibilities for Skan. It's not like claiming vig immediately makes you town no matter what you do for the rest of the game even if you did believe the claim at first. I think it's reasonable to still suspect him.

I mean opinions can change on something that nobody can actually say is true/false based on how he behaves afterwards.
which is also something I was thinking at the time he claimed but chose not to say because I wanted to see how Skan would continue to act.
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I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol
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#468
On April 17 2014 01:52 Koshi wrote:
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On April 17 2014 01:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol

Well. I think Kush is the scummiest out of the group.


I wouldn't necessarily argue with you there either. The amount of times he's made mention to players being confirmed town in his eyes is a bit odd, even after being called out for it he did it again with Thrawn. Can't decide if that's just really ballsy scum play or fearless townie speaking his mind about who he thinks we shouldn't be going after for the lynch.
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#541
FT I'm pretty sure everybody in this game should know how Koshi and Kush feel about me at this point. Koshi and I have like two pages of this game entirely focused on conversations between ourselves which started and ended in him calling me scum and Kush has said he thinks im town in like three different posts.

This comes off as a useless question to me that anybody in this game should be able to answer.
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#546
On April 17 2014 05:12 FirmTofu wrote:
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On April 17 2014 05:09 OmniEulogy wrote:
FT I'm pretty sure everybody in this game should know how Koshi and Kush feel about me at this point. Koshi and I have like two pages of this game entirely focused on conversations between ourselves which started and ended in him calling me scum and Kush has said he thinks im town in like three different posts.

This comes off as a useless question to me that anybody in this game should be able to answer.

Current thoughts are not always identical to past thoughts.


with nothing to add to them they normally are. I'm just wondering why you want to talk about the same subject for another 2 pages instead of actually moving forward.
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I should also add hide what? The question was directed at them not me, but sure I'm in their thoughts and I can control what they post so I'm trying to stop them from repeating the same thing for the 5th time each. You are digging a little bit too deep with no substance to make those types of claims lol
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#567
I'm in agreement with you there OTW.
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#628
On April 17 2014 07:54 Vivax wrote:
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On April 17 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?

No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.
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On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.


^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.

All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I see no reason to think he is town.


so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.


Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.

You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.



Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.


sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.

Vivax. Your opinion on this post?


Idk lol. It's confusing. I don't get what he's trying to accomplish by bringing up all those points about you. I actually don't know if he wants to paint you in a better or worse light, and why it's relevant in his reply to Djago since he doesn't show any signs of having a scumread on you afterwards.

I would like to hear OE's intentions behind this post.


at no point in that case do I call Koshi scum, I tried to discredit his ridiculous thinking for sure considering everything he was doing and saying made absolutely no sense, I was also a bit irritated with him because I think I had to repeat myself for him twice at that point within a short period of time.

Just because I was upset with Koshi didn't mean I thought he was scum, just that he was extremely wrong with his thought process. Which he still is but w/e

As far as the Thrawn / Kush thing goes, I meant Kush and the other lurkers more or less all seemed as likely as candidates for scum and why would I vote for one of four people when Thrawn stood out to me? I explained it earlier. I'd rather lynch somebody I think is scum as opposed to one of multiple people who are just scummy. At the time Thrawn's contributions were literally asking for a policy lynch and voting for a lurker who had said he had no time to play that day.
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#634
On April 17 2014 09:30 kushm4sta wrote:
I think OE is a better bet.


you'd be wrong
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#639
shoulda bought an AWP sooner. You're probably town. I wish there wasn't snow on the ground. I dunno who to vote for anymore.

in no particular order.
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seriously though this game is god damn confusing right now. I can't tell if the people I'm checking off as town are actually town or if I'm just bad at judging this shit.
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On April 17 2014 09:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok.

I don't think we should lynch OE.


that's awesome, but I still have no fucking clue who scum is in this game.
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#661
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.
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Oddly enough my last post also works as an answer to your latest post too Vivax.

What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there. Thrawn was no longer just somebody who wanted a policy lynch and a dead lurker who had already stated he had no time to play.
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On April 17 2014 10:37 Vivax wrote:
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On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.


If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.


Considering I've subbed in for scum before I did almost exactly what you've done so far and it was quite easy I might add.

Of course I still consider people scum, the problem is I have no clue which of them actually are.

On April 17 2014 09:39 OmniEulogy wrote:
seriously though this game is god damn confusing right now. I can't tell if the people I'm checking off as town are actually town or if I'm just bad at judging this shit.


this doesn't mean I think everybody is town just so you know. Cause you seem to think I'm only having issues deciding who is scum lol.
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#674
On April 17 2014 10:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 17 2014 10:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.


If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.


Considering I've subbed in for scum before I did almost exactly what you've done so far and it was quite easy I might add.


what are you talking about?


I'm just comparing my scum game to how vivax is playing right now as a replacement and how they tend to lineup pretty well, as a response to me not thinking anybody is scum
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#682
On April 17 2014 10:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 17 2014 10:47 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.


If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.


Considering I've subbed in for scum before I did almost exactly what you've done so far and it was quite easy I might add.


what are you talking about?


I'm just comparing my scum game to how vivax is playing right now as a replacement and how they tend to lineup pretty well, as a response to me not thinking anybody is scum


yeah I'm asking you to explain how vivax is playing, and how you played.


alright, I found that if you come in late to a game from somebody with virtually 0 posts it's impossible for people to really know your alignment from how they played (obviously). I used that to get in pretty good with town by feeding off the huge amount of information and really driving home the mistakes that town had made and using that to get mislynches while more or less guiding other players to see things from my P.O.V and then after the townies got lynched going "oh well, this town really fucked up and I came in late so what can ya do at least I tried!"

I see a lot of vivax asking other people to explain themselves which is fine in its own right, but the lack of original content has bothered me a bit.
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#685
On April 17 2014 10:49 FirmTofu wrote:
What's with this "I'm new and I don't know what anyone is" excuse that OE keeps going on about?

OE, give me a few scumreads. Work with me here and we'll figure out where you stand.


I don't think I said it was due to me being new at all. Just all of my former idea's about this game being flipped while I go afk for a few hours multiple times.

also vivax I've said I was irritated with Koshi when I made that post previously so yeah maybe it doesn't make the most sense but it's also why I don't call him scum anywhere in it. I don't think he's scum I was just pissed off with him cause I know I'm town, I was the only other active townie talking to him, and we kept going in circles.
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April 17 2014 02:10 GMT
#695
reading through kush and cavalinho's filters FT
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#697
On April 17 2014 11:10 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to move my vote to Cava. I think we need to be looking into him further. OE, if you continue to ignore me, I'll leave my vote on you.
##Vote: Cavalinho


I said this to Koshi too but you can do what ever you want dude. till you actually do it keep your empty threats to yourself
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April 17 2014 02:24 GMT
#701
On April 17 2014 11:13 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 11:11 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 11:10 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to move my vote to Cava. I think we need to be looking into him further. OE, if you continue to ignore me, I'll leave my vote on you.
##Vote: Cavalinho


I said this to Koshi too but you can do what ever you want dude. till you actually do it keep your empty threats to yourself

I just want some scumreads man... You're telling me you haven't found anyone you think is scummy yet. I know you said something about Vivax, but it seemed pretty half-assed. Give me a reason not to vote you.


like I said, it's not that I don't think anybody is scummy, it's that there are like five people being cavalinho, Kush, FT, mderg, and possibly Skan that I could see being scum, and then Vivax is unreadable to me at this point.

What I will say is that afaik mderg never said anything about being busy today. He left us without giving us any real input into what happened during the day other than a small back and forth with Skan argues with OO and OTW and then votes for FT because he thinks his case on OTW is bad (who he also doesn't like).

In terms of the choices I think I have for scum I'd probably go mderg, FT / Kush, Cavalinho in that order.
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April 17 2014 02:26 GMT
#703
mderg's M.O seems to be to dislike cases people put forward and then call them scummy because they are trying to scum hunt. That's the biggest thing I noticed from his filter that sets him apart from Kush / Cavalinho / FT.
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April 17 2014 02:30 GMT
#706
On April 17 2014 11:27 kushm4sta wrote:
dont group me with those noobs


sorry if it makes you feel any better your 3rd not 2nd and it's almost entirely because of how you play / act so sure of player roles. lol
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April 17 2014 02:39 GMT
#709
I think FT is still 2nd because despite what others have said his recent words and actions don't quite add up properly.

He doesn't make a case on OTW but votes for him because of a case he makes on Thrawn in order to discredit him to defend Thrawn, but when Thrawn says he didn't really defend him, he agrees. moves on and misreads / misinterprets a few posts in order to make me look worse because the facts don't quite work in his favor. Then talks about how OTW is a good lynch and votes for Cav in the next post while saying he really wants to vote for me if I'm no longer here.

these things don't convince me he's town Kush.
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April 17 2014 02:42 GMT
#711
On Cav I agree with your case Kush, I think he's scummy but it comes down to not being as sure as I am with the others again there's not really anything to make me think he's town just like TF so I feel confident in him as a scum read but there's a lot less to go on from Cav.
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April 17 2014 02:45 GMT
#714
On April 17 2014 11:43 kushm4sta wrote:
actually cav hasn't voted yet. we shouldn't lynch him if he's going to get modkilled.


how do the mods deal with incorrect voting?

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On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.

I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.

##Vote FirmTofu

Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well.

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I guess I might as well. How will this vote be handled as it was done in the wrong thread?
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On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.

I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.

##Vote FirmTofu

Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well.

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April 17 2014 02:52 GMT
#720
On April 17 2014 11:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
usually hosts don't answer omni's question. and usually hosts only give a warning for missed votes on D1


oh true I didn't even think about what I was asking about and the consequence of it haha guess that makes sense.
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#722
On April 17 2014 11:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 11:51 getmoript wrote:
Currently kushm4sta is set to be lynched!



either this is wrong or this aint no normal ass game


fucking hidden rules, Kush was gonna be lynched no matter who we voted for. SURPRISE.
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April 17 2014 03:30 GMT
#745
I'm gonna help you out here Cavalinho cause I'm a nice person.

Voting is done in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447974-normal-ass-normal-game-voting-thread?page=2#37

you are welcome.
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April 17 2014 03:32 GMT
#748
On April 17 2014 12:31 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm gonna help you out here Cavalinho cause I'm a nice person.

Voting is done in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447974-normal-ass-normal-game-voting-thread?page=2#37

you are welcome.


ROFL. OOPS. BRB.


<3
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#762
On April 17 2014 12:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 12:39 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 17 2014 12:35 FirmTofu wrote:
If I get lynched, I'm confident town will find its way. I'm just gonna wait for the flip now.



btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived?

if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched

Well, right now I think that Cavalinho is the only other possible lynch today. I think he is still a good target mostly because of his meta and partly because of Kush's case.

I think voting me to break the tie would be better for us than no lynch at all.


But what do you think of his recent posts? Do you think he is going to flip scum?

and I really hate that last sentence. a lot. town shouldn't think like that.


yeah I'm not sure if a nolynch is always a defeat for town. I'd rather avoid it but I mean... idk. I don't mind breaking the tie but I'm fucking dead D2 if shit goes bad LOL
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April 17 2014 03:45 GMT
#768
I'm just gonna pick based on the order on my list earlier. Edit before I even post this message, you beat me to it Thrawn lol
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#777
On April 17 2014 12:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok time for a bible lesson

there's this king or something

two bitches

bitch #1's baby dies. bitch #1 steals bitch #2's baby. they go before the king to let him decide what to do. he decides to chop baby in half so they can each have part of it. scummy bitch #1 says ok. townie bitch #2 says no and has emotional outburst.

king realizes that btich #1 is the liar.

in this game FT is acting like B #1 by saying that he's fine with himself being lynched instead of a no lynch. he's splitting the difference, he's compromising and agreeing to something that he shouldn't, if he is town.

and cavalin is B #2 for being more emotional than FT


I liked that story and now it's gonna be ruined forever.
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April 17 2014 04:01 GMT
#782
On April 17 2014 13:00 Vivax wrote:
It's cute how you two try to milk the cred before this dude flips scum.


it's cute how you continue to look down on people and be hypocritical
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April 17 2014 04:04 GMT
#786
On April 17 2014 13:02 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 13:01 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 13:00 Vivax wrote:
It's cute how you two try to milk the cred before this dude flips scum.


it's cute how you continue to look down on people and be hypocritical


Hypocritical? Cause I get the credz once he does? Thx for the information scum.


cause at one point you said one of us had to be scum and now we've been bussing eachother for half of D1. Keep your own reads straight plz.
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April 17 2014 04:04 GMT
#788
wellllllll shit.
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April 17 2014 04:05 GMT
#791
You can have all the credit you wanted Vivax good job.
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April 17 2014 04:36 GMT
#810
On April 17 2014 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
it's productive. nad it's way more lilely to come from town because they are town


I'd argue that scum is just as likely to say "hey look both of these guys must be town too cause I'm town and so is vivax for defending me!" when in reality let's be honest, we just lynched a townie and know nothing about Cava or what this makes him.
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April 17 2014 04:54 GMT
#813
On April 17 2014 13:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 13:36 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
it's productive. nad it's way more lilely to come from town because they are town


I'd argue that scum is just as likely to say "hey look both of these guys must be town too cause I'm town and so is vivax for defending me!" when in reality let's be honest, we just lynched a townie and know nothing about Cava or what this makes him.


Except for all of the posts I've made up until this point...?

Also, you're glossing over the people I wanted to look at after the lynch. What do you make of those candidates?


I'm talking specifically about the lynch sorry. I can see how what I said could be mistaken. I mean I was on mderg till I switched to FT so I am in agreement with you on him.
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April 17 2014 04:55 GMT
#814
ok I'm going to sleep cause my terrible sentences are getting even worse.
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April 17 2014 15:09 GMT
#924
@Koshi I meant it literally, I know that story and now every time I hear it from now on I'm gonna think of bitch 1 and bitch 2 lol
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April 17 2014 21:57 GMT
#967
On April 18 2014 06:53 Koshi wrote:
Cavalinho
ObviousOne
Skanjab1s
mderg
OmniEulogy
OneThousandWords
Djagulingu
Kush
Vivax
thrawn

I would lynch in this order I guess. The guys on the bottom should die though. The guys on top are hopefully blues or confirmed by blues.

Koshi out!


I just want you to know I like you Koshi. lol
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April 18 2014 04:00 GMT
#974
On April 18 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
cavalinho, oo, mderg
kinda seems too easy but that's what i got


well, allow me to do something about that for you. As long as I'm not RB'd Cavalinho is dead. I'm vig.
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April 18 2014 04:01 GMT
#975
and as long as I wasn't wrong and it's now impossible to change night actions x.x lol
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#978
On April 18 2014 13:02 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 13:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 18 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
cavalinho, oo, mderg
kinda seems too easy but that's what i got


well, allow me to do something about that for you. As long as I'm not RB'd Cavalinho is dead. I'm vig.


Welp.

I was town, for the record. I think it's kind of hysterical that nobody realized how shit those cases were.


truthfully town or not for you, it's unfortunate gg man. sorry you were so scummy =/
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April 18 2014 04:06 GMT
#979
On the plus side, we don't have to argue for the next 48 hours over if we want to lynch Cavalinho or not so I still consider that shot completely worth it. I'm going to sleep town, cya in the morning.
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April 18 2014 13:35 GMT
#1070
inb4 a thrawn koshi vivax scum team. wouldn't even be mad losing if I get that right. rofl

anyway I'm back to wanting mderg lynched today unless he can convince me otherwise.
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April 19 2014 14:10 GMT
#1105
sorry about my activity this day cycle guys, Easter making this difficult to keep up with x.x
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April 19 2014 21:43 GMT
#1117
well people are still over but I'm caught up and I've read through the pages as well as I'll be able to today. I agree with the sentiments about OO and so I'll be voting for him. I'll try to be here for the lynch but I'm not sure if I can make it.
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April 20 2014 21:21 GMT
#1198
On April 21 2014 06:17 OneThousandWords wrote:
Huh? Can you explain what you just meant?


you could be making a connection with mderg and Koshi if you assume mderg is scum.

is how I understood that..
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April 21 2014 07:03 GMT
#1245
On April 21 2014 04:56 Koshi wrote:
skanjab dies.
Vivax dies.

Then we see what happens in lylo.


My advice to town.


personally I'm ok with going in this order. I'm not convinced of Vivax being scum but I can't shake my bias / paranoia enough to say Vivax is town either. That said Koshi was lynched for a reason and I think we'd do best to follow roughly along the lines of what he has suggested.

weighing the two options and knowing there are two scum left I think lynching Skan before Vivax makes the most sense. If Vivax is town and we lynch him it's a much larger loss than losing a possibly town Skan, it also doesn't really help us figure out if Skan really is scum or not if we lynch vivax and vivax turns out to be town.

imo risk is much greater lynching vivax first even though I believe both of them could quite possibly be scum.
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April 21 2014 07:07 GMT
#1246
its 3am and I normally have terrible sentence structure but basically if Skan flips town I believe vivax is scum, if Skan flips scum, Vivax might still be scum but at least we wont have to worry about Skan anymore either way.

so much easier to just say it that way omg. g'night town
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April 21 2014 23:01 GMT
#1286
On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town


I'm ok with sheeping you guys Thrawn and honestly I've been on / off on Skan all game. Imo he could basically be either town / scum but I accept his reasoning for claiming vig and as he claims to have been rb'd N1 I'd say he did exactly what he wanted to do as town. I voted for him mostly to see how Vivax would respond but what can ya do, if you guys wanna lynch Vivax today I'll follow that.

Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly.

Honestly I've got the same list as the rest of you and I think this game is pretty much figured out.
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April 22 2014 01:38 GMT
#1299
On April 22 2014 10:15 kushm4sta wrote:
is flip tonight?


nah flip is tomorrow
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#1362
On April 23 2014 07:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
omni wasn't/isn't proving original content


Exactly! And to keep on that.

On April 21 2014 11:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2014 10:46 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 21 2014 10:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont really have any right now

everyone that isn't kush/koshi are about the same level of scuminess and I could lynch any of them. hopefully we will know more after the deadline.

skan/vivax are who i most want to lynch.

i have no idea how to read OTW and i still don't see why mderg is so scummy


Well I've never rolled scum in all 2 of the forum mafia games I've played so that's a start!

Can someone explain the vivax lynch because he looks really towny from his filter and koshi brought up that he was scum based on one really small point and seems to be super certain of it all of a sudden. I still don't understand because he never elaborated.

Vivax is a pretty good player, so I expect that he knows who is scum by now. Or at least has a couple names. Just like yourself, you think it is Mderg/Koshi/Skanjab.

But Vivax in response of Kush made it quite obvious he didn't have a clue who to push. That's extremely scummy because as scum you don't have a "scumhunting storyline" or you don't really feel who you got to push because you are playing reactionary to the thread.

So when Kush had Vivax as 4th scum. Vivax made a problem of this. This means that Vivax doesn't think that the scummers were with the first 3. But a couple minutes later Vivax even claimed he had Kush as scum. So that's 4 scummers right there. So who the fuck does Vivax think is scum?

Vivax doesn't know who is scum. Vivax is scum.


Granted vivax was 3rd not 4th but semantics. I still haven't seen Vivax address this post at all. He's dead but it's not like you can avoid what he's said because he's gone.
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#1387
On April 21 2014 05:17 kushm4sta wrote:
nah koshi skan is town


On April 21 2014 14:52 kushm4sta wrote:
all the scummy mother fuckers want to lynch skan. that is not a good sign.


On April 23 2014 05:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
not so sure about lynching vivax any more. but we are definitely not lynching skan


On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them.


On April 23 2014 00:14 Vivax wrote:
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On April 23 2014 00:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax why do you think OTW is super town?


Cause he reads me as town and skanja as scum.


On April 19 2014 06:27 Vivax wrote:
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On April 19 2014 06:25 Koshi wrote:
can theyboth be scum in your experience?


I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y?


On April 17 2014 11:09 Vivax wrote:
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On April 17 2014 10:33 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:20 Vivax wrote:
[truncated]

PoE mostly and the posts or playstyle which didn't make me add them to the townie list.
Also posted some stuff on OTW previously, I think you missed that cause it would answer half of your question.

As for the other half, OmniEulogy, my conclusion is right above this post. You're encouraged to post your opinion, especially since you're not cleared in my book and the "Oh look Vivax is ignoring me, hmmm, interesting" doesn't make you look much better. Do you think I could be scum?

Also answer me this: The reason you think OTW could be scum is that his case on thrawn looks bad as far as I can gain from your filter. How do you discern if it's a bad townie making it or scum? Cause that case alone isn't enough of an argument, so how did you conclude scum? My arguments for him being possible scum were different.

Not really considering you as scum just yet. I just wanted to hear from you. I like this case on OE.

I think OTW is scummy for a variety of different, small reasons. His attitude has been generally defensive, his responses to your questions were less than impressive, and his vote on me is pure OMGUS. I don't have a case on him yet, persay, but I wouldn't mind lynching him, that much is certain.


Actually I thought his answers to me made him look a little better cause he wasn't afraid of pissing me off which is something I wouldn't expect from newb scum (if he is who he claims to be which I'm not sure if I should believe), my main concern though is the way he pushed people early in the game. It looked like plain scum aggressiveness, not figuring out people. Hence why I was suspicious of his lack of townreads. I could lynch him too. Hell, I could lynch everybody I said I would lynch initially except for the german dude cause of the way he replied to me.


On April 21 2014 05:30 Koshi wrote:
He first has mderg/skanjab and then goes mderg/Koshi. So if mderg is scum otw prolly isn't.


mderg + vivax looks pretty good honestly after going through all the filters and looking at what Koshi was saying before he died.

OO never directly mentioned Vivax, only answered questions while trying to lynch FT or Thrawn.

Also "mderg is part of my filter already" from OO. mderg actually isn't mentioned in his filter before this. Why lie about something like that?

On April 17 2014 07:18 ObviousOne wrote:
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:

Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)

Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg

Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile

This list?

FT I feel like I've always had a hard time getting a read on. I know in the past I've always felt he was scummy and it was based on activity at the time. Given his relative activity to this game it can't really be used against him.

Reading Omni's filter last night put me into a comatose state trying to make sense of it. His style seems to be part conversational, part POE, which I think makes him more likely to be town than scum, but he's taken a hard line defending borderline-at-the-time mderg which I don't understand the reason for. Don't really care for the summary-nature of his read on thrawn because it doesn't really come to a solid conclusion, yet that's where his vote lands.
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On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.

Interesting choice of words; safe place to put a vote. Interesting because somehow he's created a situation where that's what he's done. Putting his vote in a safe place (on someone who he perceived as someone putting their vote somewhere safe) SAFE-CEPTION?

OTW seems to be adjusting to how games play here, not sure yet on his alignment. Gut would say town but since he's new here I don't know how to tell for certain yet. I already bought up the potential culture clash which he hasn't responded to yet, if it even merited a response.

mderg is part of my filter already

How are you so confident on your town reads on cav and djag?


I've bolded it for you but this is his first mention of mderg and it's more to attack me while saying mderg is neutral and then brushes it off to continue attacking me. Pretty confident mderg is scum and Vivax to follow.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 22 2014 23:02 GMT
#1390
On April 23 2014 08:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh yeah. koshi had a good post abuot OO and vivax interations. lemme find it.


who fucking needs an opinion when I can just steal Koshi's man lol I mean this all depends on mderg actually flipping scum but it looks pretty damn likely.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 22 2014 23:15 GMT
#1396
On April 23 2014 08:07 mderg wrote:
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On April 23 2014 08:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
OO never directly mentioned Vivax, only answered questions while trying to lynch FT or Thrawn.

Also "mderg is part of my filter already" from OO. mderg actually isn't mentioned in his filter before this. Why lie about something like that?

On April 17 2014 07:18 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:

Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)

Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg

Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile

This list?

FT I feel like I've always had a hard time getting a read on. I know in the past I've always felt he was scummy and it was based on activity at the time. Given his relative activity to this game it can't really be used against him.

Reading Omni's filter last night put me into a comatose state trying to make sense of it. His style seems to be part conversational, part POE, which I think makes him more likely to be town than scum, but he's taken a hard line defending borderline-at-the-time mderg which I don't understand the reason for. Don't really care for the summary-nature of his read on thrawn because it doesn't really come to a solid conclusion, yet that's where his vote lands.
On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.

Interesting choice of words; safe place to put a vote. Interesting because somehow he's created a situation where that's what he's done. Putting his vote in a safe place (on someone who he perceived as someone putting their vote somewhere safe) SAFE-CEPTION?

OTW seems to be adjusting to how games play here, not sure yet on his alignment. Gut would say town but since he's new here I don't know how to tell for certain yet. I already bought up the potential culture clash which he hasn't responded to yet, if it even merited a response.

mderg is part of my filter already

How are you so confident on your town reads on cav and djag?


I've bolded it for you but this is his first mention of mderg and it's more to attack me while saying mderg is neutral and then brushes it off to continue attacking me. Pretty confident mderg is scum and Vivax to follow.

Did you read his filter at all?


sorry sorry, I had hit all but it stuck with page 2 for some reason.

He pressure votes you and takes it off asap and says you have a very insightful post before that. my bad. but his reason to vote you is extremely weak and he never follows it up with anything else and it looks like he just forgot that he voted for you entirely.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 00:20 GMT
#1404
I think it comes down to, we've discussed why we're going to lynch you to death already.
I'm looking for a reason not to and I'm not finding it.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 00:33 GMT
#1408
On April 23 2014 09:23 mderg wrote:
Then at least discuss something else, like what to do after I flip town.

Since it´s almost 2:30 am here I´m out completely now.


cya mderg. I hope you're a dirty liar. lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 03:34 GMT
#1413
yup. I'm ok with this honestly. A bit nervous but what can ya do.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 03:52 GMT
#1415
On April 23 2014 12:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
the only reason i'm worried is the possibilty of mderg being town and vivax being scum. because then vivax shoots me during the night and leads the mislynch on kush next cycle


if Vivax survives the next day cycle I will be so amazed no matter what happens in 8 minutes and during the night lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 04:05 GMT
#1417
whelp, damn.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 23 2014 04:05 GMT
#1418
think Vivax / OTW?
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 25 2014 00:31 GMT
#1460
I'm in agreement with you Skan in that we lynch Vivax first.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 25 2014 16:36 GMT
#1467
On April 26 2014 00:41 OneThousandWords wrote:
I'm sorry everyone, I had an accident and have been in hospital for the past couple of days! I had priority at a roundabout and somebody decided that it was in his best interest to ignore that and ram into the side of my bike, quite fast I might add. Not only did he break some of my bones but then he decided that it would be apt to flee from the scene. Thankfully, there were witnesses who got his details and i'm doing alright in hospital but it meant that I was not able to play for the past couple of days and I apologise.

Is there anything I should be catching up on?


damn. mderg was town. Who do you think we should lynch today?
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 25 2014 16:40 GMT
#1468
oh and thrawn is dead. now you're entirely caught up lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 25 2014 20:11 GMT
#1485
OTW you now win with town once all mafia are eliminated regardless of what your role / alignment is k? lol

I feel good about you after going through your filter in all honesty and at this point I'm just making a judgement call. Cause looking at Skan, kush, and vivax is hard enough already while doubting you.

I will say Skan seems like he's forcing out a couple of his last posts, Kush for me is so hard to read just because of the way he plays, and vivax hasn't said anything for like three days... what a difficult game.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 25 2014 20:13 GMT
#1486
EBWOP: I guess I should mention the first line is a joke... idk how serious people get about that type of thing
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 26 2014 02:00 GMT
#1491
here's hoping. lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 26 2014 04:40 GMT
#1498
I'd honestly like to see how town play would differ from scum play when replacing somebody who hasn't said anything late into Day 1 and a lynch mob on scummy town players is already underway lol gg Vivax
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 26 2014 15:29 GMT
#1514
On April 26 2014 21:42 kushm4sta wrote:
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On April 26 2014 21:29 Skanjab1s wrote:
OTW, omni please get in here and contribute


LOL dude it's over. Omniand OTW can sit on their asscheeks and do nothing all day as long as they vote.


I've never been in a game where after N1 it's literally just been going down a list crossing people off. It's kinda boring really lol

I'm not lynching Kush if I survive the night though. Two other people who were confirmed town read him as being town.

Unless Vivax has been bussing Kush from N1/D2 slowly (in which case well played) I don't see Kush as being scum.

That being said... shit like this makes me worry.

On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them.


On April 23 2014 00:14 Vivax wrote:
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On April 23 2014 00:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax why do you think OTW is super town?


Cause he reads me as town and skanja as scum.


I'd buy this as an attempt to bus Skan though. So it's possible that Vivax was trying to get Skan lynched to look better. idk.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 26 2014 18:46 GMT
#1518
Nah Kush, this game has been pretty boring for multiple reasons. Easter cutting off my entire D2 was unfortunate but after that it's literally been going down a list since N2. Not much you can do when everybody lurks and the only active towny dies I guess.

I'm happy I upset you though
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 26 2014 20:04 GMT
#1523
Just cause Kush is a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong! lol

Also kush serious question, when half this game has been meta reads on people why are you upset that I've sheeped when the only person I've played with is Thrawn months ago. lol

I voiced my concerns about Vivax 10 days ago so I'm hoping that isn't it. lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 29 2014 07:54 GMT
#1587
Ahahaha well played. gg
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