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On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes. This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago. So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book... You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now. Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts. + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote: Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly? + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote: No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing. I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours. ^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi. + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote: All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia. especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum. + Show Spoiler + so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote: You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta? And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything. Anyway, my vote is on the right person. Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that? + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote: unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/ My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it. sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though. This is quite a disproportionate reaction to Koshi's questions. Omni seems to be overly defensive to prevent the handful of votes on him from gaining traction. The threat is minimal, but Omni seems to exaggerate it out of fear. Also, throughout the entire thread so far, he seems to be more concerned with pushing attention away from himself and onto people who ask him questions. I don't see active scumhunting, I see "don't lynch me, bro". I still can't understand why he finds Koshi scummy but doesn't want to vote for him. Makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On April 16 2014 05:34 Koshi wrote: FirmTofu. Long time no see. Please be active Firmtofu from like Titanic 1 and those days. Will do. | ||
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On April 16 2014 05:37 Koshi wrote: FT how do you read Djagulingu ? I'm making a post on skabjab first, but I'll get to Djagulingu afterwards. | ||
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On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote: Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. | ||
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On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote: Why did you make this post? It's nothing more than a wall-of-text with no real meat in it that reaches no definitive conclusion. Because Koshi wanted me to give my thoughts on him? I wouldn't have mentioned him otherwise. | ||
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On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote: Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. Yes! I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. | ||
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He's an excellent vig shot, but probably not the best lynch. | ||
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Although Kush brings up some good points on Cavalinho, I'm not entirely convinced. Cavalinho looks like he doesn't understand that people sometimes give out null reads in order to promote discussion on a player. Fundamentally, he doesn't understand the purpose of my post: to explain to Koshi why Dja was not the appropriate use of our time in the thread. @kush+Koshi Tell me what you think of OmniEulogy so far. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote: Thrawn's main contributions this game: This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote: same for me. becasue of this post He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote: 100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 I'll address your points in order. A) It lets people appear to be contributing. Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty? In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote: Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first: Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw) Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile Good to see you Vivax. I agree with your town reads, to an extent, but you're wrong about me. Regardless, while you're hear I'd like to hear your thoughts on Omni and OTW. Why do you find them scummy? I'd like to see where we agree in this department. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:47 OneThousandWords wrote: This post is a fruitless attempt to discredit the substance of the original post. I had already brought up mderg's post having no conclusions previously in the thread and so when someone returns to the thread after having ONLY responded with one or two word jokes before and their only contribution is something that I had already mentioned then what benefit have they brought to the table? What extra information is provided. None whatsoever. You answer points A, B and C with points that have no relevance without the context of the rest of the post. There is no context of the rest of the post. I've read the entire thing and none of it makes any sense to me. Feel free to explain if you can. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:49 FirmTofu wrote: Good to see you Vivax. I agree with your town reads, to an extent, but you're wrong about me. Regardless, while you're hear I'd like to hear your thoughts on Omni and OTW. Why do you find them scummy? I'd like to see where we agree in this department. EBWOP: while you're here* | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:50 OneThousandWords wrote: Why do I have to be specific? You replaced a player who has said nothing but spam in the thread so I'd like to know why you think what you do so I can see if what you think aligns with what has happened so far, rather than it being a random list of names with no factual basis. Why so defensive OTW? He just asked you to pick one or two people for him to elaborate on. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:54 OneThousandWords wrote: A mafia's objective is to blend into town and the best way to do that is contribute. When you are mafia it is harder to contribute because psychologically you know all the alignments and it becomes harder to point out things that are scummy. That is why it is a standard mafia tactic to mimic what other people have said previously in the thread. This feigns contribution and makes themselves look good because people seemingly forget what other people had said previously. Thrawn does this with me and mderg. I write about mderg's first post having no conclusions and he mimics it but the caveat is that he calls me scum without actually referencing my contributions, in fact, he ignores them entirely. Furthermore, everytime someone knew is brought up he calls them scummy eving going so far as to call someone scummy before reading them! hmm, alright. I'll look into that real quick and get back to you. | ||
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Okay, so thrawn is repeating a lot of things previously stated in thread. This is a valid point. However, I don't see this as necessarily scummy. Town players repeat points too and this is a perfectly valid one to reiterate. You'll need better points to convince me thrawn is scum. Also, your recent responses to Vivax and I are not helping your case. | ||
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On April 17 2014 05:09 OmniEulogy wrote: FT I'm pretty sure everybody in this game should know how Koshi and Kush feel about me at this point. Koshi and I have like two pages of this game entirely focused on conversations between ourselves which started and ended in him calling me scum and Kush has said he thinks im town in like three different posts. This comes off as a useless question to me that anybody in this game should be able to answer. Current thoughts are not always identical to past thoughts. | ||
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On April 17 2014 09:07 thrawn2112 wrote: ok lets lynch firmtofu. his scumread on OTW is a defense of me.... his knowledge of my alignment is his basis for attacking OTW Yes, it is a defense of you. How did you jump to the conclusion that I somehow know your alignment? Plenty of people have placed you in the town category. How am I any different? Also, I find OTW scummy as of right now. I don't know if I would call that a scumread just yet. | ||
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On April 17 2014 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote: Who do you want to lynch? Your vote is on OTW but you just said you don;t know if you have a real scumread on him yet. Yeah, I'm looking for better targets right now. I'll get back to you on that. I'd like to lynch into OTW/OE/OO/Dja/Cavalinho as of right now, though. | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote: I'll address your points in order. A) It lets people appear to be contributing. Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty? In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it. Did you agree with what I said? Consider the case in isolation, before I commented on it. | ||
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@Vivax Why must you ignore me so? | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:07 kushm4sta wrote: why aren't we lynching cavalinho? why are people townreading that guy? What are some good games of him I can look at? I feel like his meta could help me decide on him. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:19 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah I agree that I'm town. i dont really understand the question Nono, I'm asking whether OTW's case on you makes any logical sense to you. Assume for a second that you are a third party observer and you are reading this post as if you didn't know your own alignment. Do my points make sense to you when you do that? Personally, I was completely lost when reading that case and I felt I had to address it for its poor structure and reasoning. If you would have felt the same way as a third-party observer, then your vote on me makes no sense to me. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:20 Vivax wrote: [truncated] PoE mostly and the posts or playstyle which didn't make me add them to the townie list. Also posted some stuff on OTW previously, I think you missed that cause it would answer half of your question. As for the other half, OmniEulogy, my conclusion is right above this post. You're encouraged to post your opinion, especially since you're not cleared in my book and the "Oh look Vivax is ignoring me, hmmm, interesting" doesn't make you look much better. Do you think I could be scum? Also answer me this: The reason you think OTW could be scum is that his case on thrawn looks bad as far as I can gain from your filter. How do you discern if it's a bad townie making it or scum? Cause that case alone isn't enough of an argument, so how did you conclude scum? My arguments for him being possible scum were different. Not really considering you as scum just yet. I just wanted to hear from you. I like this case on OE. I think OTW is scummy for a variety of different, small reasons. His attitude has been generally defensive, his responses to your questions were less than impressive, and his vote on me is pure OMGUS. I don't have a case on him yet, persay, but I wouldn't mind lynching him, that much is certain. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I cant read it as a third party observer because I know I'm town and I know what my motivations have been behind all those posts. So I'm already biased to townread myself. But I'll pretend I don't know that, Do I think his case is stupid? Yes. But it's the kind of case that I'm used to seeing posted whenever I play the spammy and loose town style that I'm playing this game. I know that I jump around a lot and some people are hardwired to think that's scummy. Back when I first started playing I wouls always get mislynched because of cases like the one OTW made, people accused me of having too many targets, of opputunistic voting, of having incoherent reads and chaning my mind too often, all that kind of stuff. The problem is that your super strong townread on me seems to be the only reason you scumread OTW. And that indicates that you're scum, making an easy case on OTW because you know that I'm town so it's easy for you to shit all over OTW's case. Why would scum me defend you? If I were scum, I would avoid defending people because of this exact thought process that townies generally have. Also, I wouldn't want to encourage confirmed townies. If I was scum(assuming you are town), I'd be doing my best to make sure you don't become "confirmed" town. I also never made a case on OTW, I just voted him and discredited his case on you. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:41 thrawn2112 wrote: You didn't explicity defend me. In fact you never really stated that I was town. Me being town was more of an assumption you seemed to make. It's not like you were trying to stick up for me or anything, your main agenda with that post was to express that you thought OTW's case against me was scummy. Anyways, this conversation is getting a bit repetitive, I think it'd be more useful for you to figure out who you want to lynch. Fair enough, I agree. | ||
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OE, give me a few scumreads. Work with me here and we'll figure out where you stand. | ||
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Didn't he say that he finds mderg scummy too, just not as much as me? | ||
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The problem with the mderg argument is that he could just simply find me more scummy than mderg and just not know how to express himself, as he is relatively new to the game. I think your meta argument is stronger after looking at the newbie game. He seems a lot more analytical in that game and his playstyle in this game is starkly different. Also, he seems to be capable of good play there, indicating that your previous argument holds more water. I think I could vote Cava/OE as of right now. OTW is also a valid choice. @OE Do you have any scumreads for me yet? | ||
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On April 17 2014 11:04 thrawn2112 wrote: hey FT you need to give your full read on OTW. And if you aren't convinced he's scum then you need to explain what you're thinking about doing with your vote. My full read has already been given. I'm leaning scum on him because of his bad case, his overly defensive behavior, and his OMGUS bandwagon vote on me. He hasn't done anything of value, so as far as I'm concerned he's a good lynch. | ||
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On April 17 2014 11:11 OmniEulogy wrote: I said this to Koshi too but you can do what ever you want dude. till you actually do it keep your empty threats to yourself I just want some scumreads man... You're telling me you haven't found anyone you think is scummy yet. I know you said something about Vivax, but it seemed pretty half-assed. Give me a reason not to vote you. | ||
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On April 17 2014 12:37 thrawn2112 wrote: btw I'm probably the swing vote. and I'm still not completely shut off to the idea of lynching you. So what do you think about cavalinho now that he's arrived? if you just fuck off then that WILL increase your chances of being lynched Well, right now I think that Cavalinho is the only other possible lynch today. I think he is still a good target mostly because of his meta and partly because of Kush's case. I think voting me to break the tie would be better for us than no lynch at all. | ||
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Cavalinho, on the other hand, probably is. | ||
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On April 17 2014 12:51 Cavalinho wrote: Have you actually said anything that has any basis in fact? Vivax has made good points, and you have yet to address any of them while egging on my lynch. Here, you're just going "yeah cav is probably scum." Have you actually sat down and considered that something like that might have put you on the wrong track? Addressing Vivax's points and defending myself is completely useless for town at this point. If people think vivax is on the right track, I can't change their minds in 10 minutes. My best course of action is to give town all the assistance I can so they can play well going forward. | ||
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Town Kush, Koshi, thrawn, skanjab? Scummy OO, OTW, mderg, Omni(although recently he looks better) Everyone else is nullish. I haven't looked much into Dja so... he could be scum too. | ||
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On April 17 2014 13:00 Vivax wrote: It's cute how you two try to milk the cred before this dude flips scum. this guy is probs town | ||
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On April 17 2014 13:05 Vivax wrote: I'm bad at this game and need to reread. Sorry tofu , hope you stick around. Dude, not your fault. No hard feelings. GL HF all. | ||
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