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On April 27 2014 03:31 kushm4sta wrote:skan, this try hard is going to get you no where. save your energy and embrace the S word (the forbidden word and if you say it you get banned). just because i say "blank is scum" "blank is the next lynch" that does not respresent confidence in my reads as much as me just saying shit im thinking in the moment. I have been very unsure of my reads this game. but skan skipped over those posts. skan why are you reasonings scummy? because they are for shit like this. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg. dont you think this is like too scummy to be scum? of course scum is not gonna do this because it's so obviously scummy. know what im saying? whereas town might be more inclined to do this simply because they dont have reads yet. vivax/ skan was obvious bus in circumspect. skan scumread vivax with shit reasoning. vivax scumread skan with shit reasoning. scum knew they had to bus or their motives would have been obvious as hell. oh and OE saying this game was boring... please man. You get into the game what you put into it. And you haven't put in shit. You vigged yourself into confirmed town and you have been hardcore sheeping the rest of the game. So it pisses me off when you say you are bored, because in actually it's you who is the boring one, not the game. Status of this game: we are waiting for OTW to come back and tell skanjab he is full of shit.
(1) There's a difference between once, just randomly saying "we should lynch this guy" and having a whole multitude of posts about killing them.
(2) I scumread Vivax with shit reasoning? But kush, you said you liked my reasoning. You said "i am the only one thinking about the scumteam in a good way"
Your contradictions are lovely, kush.
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On April 27 2014 20:16 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 17:36 kushm4sta wrote:On April 27 2014 08:57 OneThousandWords wrote:
Oh I didn't see my inbox notification they are super subtle. I was roleblocked the other day. I NEVER MISS AN INBOX NOTIFICATION. I was role blocked. The insignificance of this cannot be overestimated. It's at a tiny bar on the top of my phone. Anyway, my plan worked perfectly! Omni was going to lynch skan 100% whereas I said I liked skan. Skanjab1s only option coming into today would be to lynch kushm4sta as he was pushing you all last night. I said I liked skanjab1s and so if kushm4sta was scum I would be dead because omni would be voting skan with him. Seeing as I'm alive it points towards the inevitability that Skanjab1s is mafia. ##vote skanjab1s
That's silly reasoning.
(1) Kush thought you said you liked me as a lynch.
(2) It was really obvious that that's what you were doing.
But I'm done with this, I've posted my case. Do whatever
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On April 28 2014 02:49 OneThousandWords wrote:Here's the thing with your case Skanjab1s, it's just you reading his filters and pointing out things which show he had an evolution of thought process. Originally, I also thought it was a towny thing for you to claim being roleblocked but increasingly so your inactivity just seemed to weigh up more and more. I wouldn't be so hesitatnt if you played harder when you said you would (sorry if there's IRL stuff) but you didn't end up doing that and still claimed that you were busy. It's not until the FINAL DAY where YOU had also been town reading kushm4sta that YOU also suddenly switched your read on him from town to scum. You wrote things like: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote:
It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?
Huh? Thats the thing, his reads aren't a logical townie progression at all.
I went scum on kush because I was originally going by PoE, having not read the game. But with you coming in and being really towny, it made me rethink my poe thing, so I went and filtered kush and realised how scummy he has actually been.
If the quotes and stuff in the case don't make you see how scummy he is, then I can't really do much else.
Even his "don't bother with reasons, just lynch skan without thinking" thing is scummy as hell.
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On April 28 2014 02:49 OneThousandWords wrote:Here's the thing with your case Skanjab1s, it's just you reading his filters and pointing out things which show he had an evolution of thought process. Originally, I also thought it was a towny thing for you to claim being roleblocked but increasingly so your inactivity just seemed to weigh up more and more. I wouldn't be so hesitatnt if you played harder when you said you would (sorry if there's IRL stuff) but you didn't end up doing that and still claimed that you were busy. It's not until the FINAL DAY where YOU had also been town reading kushm4sta that YOU also suddenly switched your read on him from town to scum. You wrote things like: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 20:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote:
It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 03:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
Err, is anyone else here?
I'm voting thrawn[edit:vivax], I think him and OTW are the last two scum. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 05:35 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 25 2014 04:51 kushm4sta wrote:
hmm skan so why vivax over OTW? I thought he was pretty scummy before. His initial questioning of me felt like he was reaching for something to call me scum for, rather than actually having the townie mindset of genuinely thinking that i'm scum. I got a bit distracted and ended up sheeping you near the end of D1. Regardless I'm pretty sure the last two scum are vivax and OTW, unless you're scum, but thats just too damn confusing to think about right now. Then, as soon as vivax flips red and omni and kushm4sta town read me you COMPLETELY flip your town read on kush and everything to: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. So why, when kushm4sta displays signs that are similar to yours (and you even pointed the out the parts in your case that highlight his read evolving, not just flat out changing - i.e. his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?
To elaborate, the way his read 'evolved' was -->
(1) Thinks Vivax is scummy when it looks like vivax is definitely going to be lynched
(2) Mderg looks like a second option
(3) vivax makes a single post
(4) Kush instantly hard-townreads him
(5) Kush pushes mderg reaaally hard.
This is super indicative of the way a scumteam behave.
Then, it's vivax and me being the other lynch candidate.
Now he starts randomly scumreading me FOR THE THINGS THAT HE PREVIOUSLY TOWNREAD ME FOR.
That is not a logical progression at all!
Also, you say this "his read on vivax going from town to untown to scum is a progression whereas yours is town -> scum when things look bad) does that make him scum and you not scum?"
That's not correct, I had Vivax as one of the 3 possible scum the whole time, I didn't townread him and then quickly change to a scumread like kush did.
The difference in the evolution of our reads on each other is that after filtering kush i saw new things which heavily pointed to him being scum, and in kush's case he just called me scum for things that he already called me town for.
Does that explain what I'm trying to say better?
(Also yeah, my activity was low before, but this doesn't really make me scum, I couldn't play much, and it was hard to get into the game with 20 pages to read. It's higher now because there is much less to read.)
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On April 28 2014 04:17 kushm4sta wrote:
"kush is probably town! i dont even want to think about the possibility that kush is scum right now! makes my poor little townie brain hurt!" -skan
we lynch vivax
"KUSH IS SCUM GUYS. ALL MY SUSPICION OF OTW HAS VANISHED FOR NO REASONS. COINCIDENTALLY SWITCHING ME READ LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN WIN AS SCUM BUT DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT" - skan
Lol. It was PoE moron.
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Stop copying my arguments
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On April 28 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
skan the reason my reads change is because i read people's filters.
Right. Thats what you called me scum for the same reasons you called me town. Bravo.
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On April 28 2014 04:35 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:32 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 28 2014 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
skan the reason my reads change is because i read people's filters. Right. Thats what you called me scum for the same reasons you called me town. Bravo. nope. i called you town because i thought it was unlikely scum would fake claim vig so cavalierly. i called you town because i tone read you as town. pretty retarded reasons for calling you town. I called you scum as soon as i read your filter and saw the reasons why you were scumreading people.
"I think the roleclaim makes twe3k town, theres no way scum would do that"
"Wait, I changed my mind, scum would totally do that"
I can do the annoying quotations thing too.
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On April 28 2014 10:59 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:27 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 28 2014 04:17 kushm4sta wrote:
"kush is probably town! i dont even want to think about the possibility that kush is scum right now! makes my poor little townie brain hurt!" -skan
we lynch vivax
"KUSH IS SCUM GUYS. ALL MY SUSPICION OF OTW HAS VANISHED FOR NO REASONS. COINCIDENTALLY SWITCHING ME READ LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I CAN WIN AS SCUM BUT DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THAT" - skan Lol. It was PoE moron. What are you saying is PoE? Your initial town read of Kushm4sta or your now scum read on him? Or are you saying that I was scum purely because of PoE? In that case then Kushm4sta WAS a hard town read for you and so your switch looks incredibly more scum like. Also if you town read me now and scum read Kush that would purely make your read on Kushm4sta PoE then but you decided to write cases to prove that he is scum, here: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. and here: + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 02:24 Skanjab1s wrote:That first quote makes me happier with my decision. Scum often like sandwiching one of their scummates between two town, when vivax said "Lynch him and either kush or mderg". Err, this doesn't really help you much, because it could be either one of us, but I'm confident, at least. Here, I made a case against kush: First, his behavior before the mderg lynch: Firstly, he is okay with lynching vivax, this was when people were deciding between mderg and vivax to lynch: Then Vivax comes in and makes a single post and he's all: Right after this, he launches into a full on bandwagon against mderg, pushing him really hard, taking all the attention off of vivax: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
I don't know anymore lol. All I know is mderg is scummy as fuck. Mderg is scummy like the sun is hot. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 03:04 kushm4sta wrote:
And mderg, otw would not surprise me. After this, he puts light pressure on vivax against to distance himself, and then straight away goes back to his mderg campaign: Secondly, right after the mderg lynch, he knows that Vivax is next on the lynch list, so he suddenly completely changes his super-hard townread of me: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:20 kushm4sta wrote:Collection of Skanjab's scumhunting content + Show Spoiler +I agree with this, the entire post has nothing that's actually related to scumhunting in any way. Voting mderg.
Talking about nothing to do with scumhunting, and focusing on unimportant things while still making a huge post to feign contribution is scummy. Thats why a scum mderg would do that.
I'm totally fine with killing kush too, apart from the weird 'you two are town' thing, most of his questions just have very little point, and the answers to them wouldn't help him figure out the alignments of anyone, things like this: Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.
Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta? Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum. Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:37 kushm4sta wrote:
well ive never seen you like this koshi. all energetic and assertive and stuff <3 what does it mean
These questions just seem to be there to make it look like he's scumhunting, but really, none of these things would actually help him get a better read on anybody. He also seems to be tunneling Koshi pretty hard, and directing all of his questions to koshi, I'm not sure what to make of that for now. It's not much and it's not very hard for scum to make those arguments. Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:31 kushm4sta wrote:
It really angers me when people fake claim a pr...
I'm thinking I should not be townreading skan. This next one is specially scummy, because earlier, he said: Show nested quote +On April 18 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Mderg let's talk about skanjab. Always reminds me of skinjob which reminds me of handjob. Just saying.
But anyway I am thinking he could be town and just fake claiming vig to soak up an rb or something. What do you have to say about that possibility?
Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. Now, suddenly as the lynch is between myself and Vivax, he goes into his hardcore tunnel mode, like with mderg, and randomly the claim is scummy now: Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote:
im rereading and skan's content is so shit compared to OTW's.
I'm not sure skan's claim makes sense from a town perspective. Show nested quote +On April 25 2014 23:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think we should lynch skan. He has the least content.that is a pretty good indicator. In these quotes he implies that I have the least content and that makes me scummy, (1) He knows that I was away, so I wasn't going to have content regardless (2) If he's talking about actual usefulness, and not just postcount, then he is contradicting himself, as earlier he said that he likes the way I'm thinking about the scumteam: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Finally, his behavior after the Vivax lynch: He immediately tries to set me up the next lynch. This is something scum often do after they have lost a scumbuddy; they try to hastily set up lynches to recover the momentum of their loss. Now he's back into his hardcore tunnelling mode against me (remember, this was something that was present in his behavior around the cav (i think, i remember reading that somewhere but I haven't checked), mderg (when he tunneled mderg) and vivax (when he tunneled me) lynches. Previously, it was his play that you town read him for. Now you say your scum read on him is from PoE? yet you decided to make cases on him based on his play that you initially town read him for, that's the opposite of PoE! Here: Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 18:10 Skanjab1s wrote:
The names of the dead aren't crossed out, I don't feel like thinking this early in the morning.
Yeah. Guys, kush is definitely scum. He's never this confident as town, and now he is obviously try-harding as his scummate just got killed. Believe in me, I will guide us to victory. You said it was for his play. Then you made a giant case based on his play. Now you are saying you un-scumread me and thus Kush was a PoE switch of stance. That doesn't make sense!
No, you misunderstand. My scumread of you was purely PoE. I hadn't read the last 20ish pages of the game, but I remember thinking that kush/koshi/thrawn/omni were town just based on what I remembered. That just left you/vivax/mderg/oo. I townread kush based on his play just before I left, and just after I came back. So I thought that the scum would have to be in the other 4. I didn't have any concrete reasoning for thinking you were scum at all, I just didn't have any for thinking you were town, either, so I added you to the 'possible scum' list.
What kush was saying was that I had a hard scumread of you, and then just randomly changed it for no reason. This is untrue, is what I was saying. I didn't have kush as town by PoE, I thought the little bit of his play made him town. It was his play afterwards, while i was here, that made me change my mind on him.
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On April 28 2014 11:02 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 04:18 kushm4sta wrote:
otw i swear to god i will transcend space and time and jump through computer screens to murder you if you vote me. Well, I was tempted to but the more Skanjab1s posts about his read on you the more and more it doesn't add up. I also won't be around for most likely all of tomorrow so I think I'll have to leave my vote on him.
It adds up completely, you're trying overly hard to find missing pieces and things that don't add up, but it all makes sense!
Don't just leave your vote on me, think about the stuff I've been saying on kush please.
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Don't make me have to appeal to fear to get you to vote for kush, damnit! :D
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On April 29 2014 03:40 kushm4sta wrote:
skanjab wouldn't it be lolz if otw was scum.
Ahahah, I'd quit mafia forever. That'd be too much for me to handle.
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Anyway, I'm going now, I won't be back before the flip, so like, OTW, lynch kush pls.
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How the fuck were you town kush, what the fuck.
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