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thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 09:54 GMT

#363

lol hello. i was mrbungle in tory story. i think i mislynched you?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:26 GMT

#375

100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:29 GMT

#377

koshi do you want to go after bigger game? i'm pretty willing to lynch kush.

i don't know about oe yet. i see why his posts are bad but i'm still not convinced he's scum. i want to talk to him first and i was hoping he'd show up in these last few hours (cuz he came on about the same time 24 hours ago) but he hasn't. so idk what to think of him just yet.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:36 GMT

#379

what?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:37 GMT

#380

koshi you;re being just as much of a bitch about this as I am. don't complaign that people aren';t pushing lynches enough for your liking when you're not doing it either

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:49 GMT

#383

well I do sorta recognize that it's a shitty afk lynch. that's why I'm not pushing it so hard lol.

a few hours ago i read the thread, decided that mdgerg was scummy, OE is a bit scummy too and that he needed to be my first priority. I noticed that he started posted a little less than 24 hours ago so I thought i'd hang out in the thread and try to talk to him when he shows up. but he hasn't. reading his filter over and over doesn't do anything for me so I can't really progress that read.

you ask what's mderg's agenda. isn't the fact that he has no agenda pretty scummy? my whole point is that he has no agenda, that he's literally not trying to find mafia. he's make NO EFFORTS to find mafia, he doesn't even seem interested in that part of the game. idc about him lying or not, his 10 min statement doesn't tell me anything other than that he feels like he needs to apoligze for his lack of contributions.

so I'm wanting to look into OE but i';m conflicted about that, so I want to talk to him first. but he won't oblige me

i'm semi interested in lynching kush and i tried to talk to you about that but you half-agreed with me then decided the conversation was useless.

so i don't know what you expect from me, considering all of the above

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:50 GMT

#384

koshi do you think that a townie can write the post that mderg wrote and think to themselves that they are helping town figure out who to lynch?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:52 GMT

#388

lol. the problem is that scum are being scum and townies are being lazy. is that about right?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 10:54 GMT

#390

i think rayn's self detructive anti town tendacies have rubbed off on you

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 22:24 GMT

#577

hey guys what's up? on pg 22 right now. only thing I can really conclude from what I've read is that I think mderg is town. probably kush too

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 22:32 GMT

#581

pg 25

yeah kush is really town

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 22:34 GMT

#583

On April 17 2014 07:30 Koshi wrote:

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This post. Interesting?

fuck u koshi. because i was going to bring that up.

in context the point of that post seems to be OE trying to keep his vote on me despite agreeing with koshi that I might be town. he's giving a bunch of association reasons to lynch someone he just said might be town.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 22:46 GMT

#589

On April 17 2014 04:53 Vivax wrote:
Thrawn if you're here I still got one thing bugging me about you and it's this I would like you to explain:

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You clearly find that post "funny", I suppose cause it's so inconclusive and achieves absolutely nothing saying a lot of stuff which is my opinion about it, why not dig for more and go straight only for mderg?

it's funny because FT's description of djag is so accurate. his style of constant self-promotion is insufferable. also it reminded me of this post. nickthename is some random ms player and "fear the poster" is prom.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 22:55 GMT

#592

OTW are you a smurf? I don't need to know who. Just tell me if you are. And tell me if you've played with me before.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 23:43 GMT

#615

Here's where I'm at.

Townreads:

koshi - probably cares the most about the game and has put in the most useful effort so far. at the beginning of the game when he told me that he's going to need me to play my best, I really thought that was a townie post for him to make. In the past he's misread me because I was lazy so I think that post was because of our past experience, plus his expectations of how the game was going to go based off the player list. so I think he is pushing town's interests

kush - gut feeling, if I could explain it i would

mderg - after reading his past games I realized that the way he posts that caused me to scumread him earlier... is just the way he plays the game. and I think his slight scumread on me is a natural reaction. if he's capable of making that first post as town, then he wouldn't be able to understand why i'd think it was scummy, so his scum read on me makes sense. I also think he made some pretty townie responses during some live conversation that happened a bit earlier.

obviousone - he's my D1 buddy

djag - earlier I called him insufferable. i don't thik scum, and especially first time scum, would post in a way that would annoy everyone else in the game. for people that know robik, i'm getting town roboik vibes from him, but more like a poor man's robik. he's so sure of himself and not afraid to rub it in people's faces and that usually indicates that someone is town.

vivax - I think he's town. I don't feel strongly about this because I'm not that confident in my ability to read him. But his posts make sense, and all I can remember of his scum play is that his logic ain't so good. And when he's town there's this vibe I get from him where it feels like he's trying to interrogate people and that's what I see here. So I got a moderately strong meta town read on vivax.

skan - i don't think omgus players would fake claim like that. all my experience on the site indicates that they wouldn't.

That's my PoE town list. It leaves me with cavalinho, OTW, FT, and OE.

OTW - Out of those 4 PoE names I think OTW has made more posts that left me with a town impression. I was all ready to call him mafia because his case on me is pretty stupid but now that I know he's a first time player I'm not ready to hold him accountable for that. In general his posts have felt townieish. I can't remember anything that Cavalinho's done or anything he's pushed. Usuauly that's indicative of someone being scum. I need to reread his shit. Same for FT. All I remember about him is the post he made about djag and some hard defense of the mderg lynch which seemed a bit over the top given the circumstances. Out of my PoE group, OE's the scummiest. I am kinda where koshi's at in that i don't feel all that great about my scumreads, I think this is because I haven't had a chance to converse with any of them. This is why I was hanging out waiting for OE last night. The things I don't like about him are how he was tunneled on koshi with no real purpose behind the tunnel, I thought the way his read on djag fromed felt a bit unnatural and didn't seem like a real read. I also felt this way when slightly started pushnig me.

On April 17 2014 01:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol

This post was so weird. Koshi explains why he thought thrawn was town. OE says that koshi's case might be correct... then he says a bunch of nonrelated stuff that allows him to not have to recant his thrawn read. Like I said earlier he's agreeing with a "thrawn is town" case while giving bullshit reasons to not move his vote.

and wtf is this

On April 16 2014 23:35 OmniEulogy wrote:
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town.

he makes this post after saying these things about me:

On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.

On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.

So mderg is a safe place for me to put my vote? But OE has no reason to think mderg is town? And I'm scum for voting kush, but kush is one of OE's main scumreads?

Clearly he has no issue with the people I've voted for, because his reads on those people generally matched up with mine. He's only calling out the timing of my votes as opportunistic. But that's stupid. That should't be enough for him to scumread me considering how much our reads were apparently in sync, and how he apparently liked koshi's post about why I'm town.

Spekaing of opputunistic and safe lynching pushing, see OE's push on me.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 23:50 GMT

#617

On April 17 2014 08:45 OneThousandWords wrote:

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On April 17 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:

On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:

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Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?

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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:

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No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.

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I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.

^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:

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All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:

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I see no reason to think he is town.

so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:

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You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.

Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:

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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:

On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.

In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.

unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.

sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.

Vivax. Your opinion on this post?

I'll share my opinion now. I kind of like this post, it calls out a lot of the things that I had been saying but adds to them. I had called out Dja for his meta read of himself that he seemed to betray and dja had only responded with a quote from a book. That is not the response that I would have expected and it seems like Omni mirrored this in his thoughts.

I think he's fundamentaly flawed in how he's been taught mafia though and that's where the problem therein lies. He has been taught to just find scum whereas you have been taught that you should find town and scum at the same time because that makes the job easier. It's not a scum slip as you mentioned but rather a clash of two philosophies IMO and thus the rest of his post came to fruition.

when I look at that post i see an anti-koshi wall of text with no purpose. does he think koshi si scum? does he want to lynch koshi? he doesn't say. so why is he spending so mush time pointing out all that stuff?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 23:52 GMT

#618

ok, he does call koshi scum at the top.

but the problem is that the amount of effort need to write that post is disporportionate to how strongly OE felt about his koshi read. if someone makes that kind of post against koshi I expect them to push koshi, not ignore him the rest of the game

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

April 16 2014 23:57 GMT

#620

On April 17 2014 08:54 OneThousandWords wrote:

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Well I'm not going to speak for him so I don't know his motivation for it, it looks like he's a bit angry with Koshi if anything. I kind of have to go out now and won't be back before deadline.

yo realize that you are wasting your vote? i'm obviously town and I'm not going to get lynched.