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On April 17 2014 01:10 mderg wrote:(2) I wasn´t talking about the time of my post. I meant at the time of this post: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
Well, that's just silly. At the time of your one post you didn't have reads on anyone. That's like me calling everyone scummy because at a certain time, they didn't share reads on anyone.
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On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now.
But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game.
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On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down.
Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this.
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Oh wow, there are quite a few votes on him already.
I haven't read the last 10 pages or so, and I'm going out now, but I'll read them when I get back and say my thoughts.
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I was roleblocked.
Still catching up, I'm about 10 pages behind.
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I'm voting OO. I haven't really read the thread and I just don't have the time, I'm sorry.
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On April 20 2014 06:52 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 00:10 thrawn2112 wrote:mmk. I just read mderg's filter. I think he's town. His posts feel sincere and his arguments are logical. OO >> scum skan >> probably scum 3rd scum is hiding from me. probably OTW even though I don't feel that he's all that scummy. I want him to explain this: On April 18 2014 02:16 OneThousandWords wrote:It's ok Thrawn, I think everything will resolve itself tomorrow  It does not matter anymore because Cavalinho has died, however, his death is not without some benefit. This now means that everything I've been thinking about (you/cav/x as mafia) is very wrong, so I apologise for the tunnel. I honestly thought I was onto something with my last case. As for today, ObviousOne's contributions have been verbose ways to say he wants to lynch someone who is afk which is not the contribution I was looking for after not much participation on day 1. ##vote ObviousOne Unfortunately I will not be present for the rest of the weekend, however, my activity will be much better from then on. I would still like to hear from Skanjab1s regarding his vigilante claim into afking though.
I basically claimed vig because I wasn't going to be able to play much from this weekend onwards, so I wanted to soak a kp or rb from scum, which kinda worked. Also, I just thought it'd be a fun thing to do.
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Yay!
This was all me. You're welcome town.
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I promise you guys that I am town.
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From what I've read so far, everyone is just focusing on a Vivax/Me team. Who do you think would be scum if I had to flip green? You should account for this and not just focus so hard on Vivax/Me being scum that once I'm lynched you get stuck not knowing who the last scum is.
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I'm pretty sure Kush/Koshi/Omni/thrawn are all town. So the last two scum are in Vivax/OTW/mderg.
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On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs!
What in my filter is scummy, specifically?
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On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too!
I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity. It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.
I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame.
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On April 22 2014 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 08:01 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly. yes you read it right. Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them. posts like this are why i want to lynch vivax. so from a town vivax's point of view, this would be the best he can come up with? i don't buy it. The first major problem is that vivax isn't considering OTW as possible scum. He's not worried about OTW's alignment at all. In fact he hasn't mentioned OTW since D1. This doesn't have mean anything regarding OTW's alignment, my point is that vivax is not considering all possible suspects. I really really hate this post: Show nested quote +On April 21 2014 14:47 Vivax wrote:On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town. I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation. This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game. And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town. In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win. BE II and the omgus toy story game have nothing to do with skan's alignment. Here Vivax is appealing to the emotions of the people who lost BEII/TSM.
In addition to this, what I also find interesting, is that in the beginning of this, Vivax is equating me with him in the OMGUS game for our claims, where he claimed miller, and was lynched, and flipped town. And now, to stop a repeat of this happening he wants to lynch me (who fakeclaimed vig) because i'll flip...scum? That logic doesn't really add up.
On April 22 2014 23:50 Vivax wrote:Of course I bring up the mistakes bad townies make cause of my strong personal involvement in those games. I pushed Dandel in british. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam for being unreadable in Toy Story, other townies actually thought I was scummy for pushing those targets who turned out to be scum, same is happening with you cause I'm pushing Skanja. This game is no different and people like you don't learn from their mistakes so I have to remind them. No, I'm not sure between Kush and mderg as the last scum. If it were so easy I would be sure, hence why we have to lynch skanja. He is by no means acting townie as you say. Kush gave him a townread cause skanja said what he wanted to hear. He perfectly and completely imitated kush and thrawn's point of view in his townread post (Kush and thrawn town, everybody else scum). The fact that he mentions a flipped guy and a claimed vig among his townreads only displays that he's writing ANYTHING to appease people and give his scumbuddy a reason to townread him. His reasons for the fakeclaim are complete bullshit: Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 06:48 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too! I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity.It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame. The bolded is a perfect example of a bullshit reason. Why is it bullshit? Cause no matter if he claimed vig as town or scum, the effects would still be the same at this point, making his claim an advantage for a town skanja as well as a scum skanja, yet he turns it around saying that cause he has that advantage he has to be town while he wouldn't have it as scum...for what reasons??? No logic behind this post. It's another lie from a liar.
Okay, explain how there is an advantage of me fake-claiming vig as scum, at this point in the game. Because this is the only reason you are able to give as to why I'm scum. That doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all. Also, please explain how my logic here is bullshit?
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It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from.
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On April 23 2014 00:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 00:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 14:03 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 22 2014 08:01 OmniEulogy wrote:On April 20 2014 20:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
well talk to him about it and not me. idk why you are expecting me to either accept your read on him or be able to fill in the gaps in his reads. because that is something i cannot do unless i am kush and i am town Anyway I took the above as meaning if Kush was town but I'm just making sure as it could also be interpreted as it was something you couldn't do because you aren't town. It drew a flag but I ignored it as I had you as town and I still do but I just want to make sure that I read this in particular correctly. yes you read it right. On April 22 2014 10:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm voting Skanja and going to bed. If you really have to flip me before the liar, you know what to do afterwards. Lynch him and either kush or mderg, I'm still not sure on the both of them. posts like this are why i want to lynch vivax. so from a town vivax's point of view, this would be the best he can come up with? i don't buy it. The first major problem is that vivax isn't considering OTW as possible scum. He's not worried about OTW's alignment at all. In fact he hasn't mentioned OTW since D1. This doesn't have mean anything regarding OTW's alignment, my point is that vivax is not considering all possible suspects. I really really hate this post: On April 21 2014 14:47 Vivax wrote:On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote:On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote:
That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town. I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation. This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game. And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town. In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win. BE II and the omgus toy story game have nothing to do with skan's alignment. Here Vivax is appealing to the emotions of the people who lost BEII/TSM. In addition to this, what I also find interesting, is that in the beginning of this, Vivax is equating me with him in the OMGUS game for our claims, where he claimed miller, and was lynched, and flipped town. And now, to stop a repeat of this happening he wants to lynch me (who fakeclaimed vig) because i'll flip...scum? That logic doesn't really add up. On April 22 2014 23:50 Vivax wrote:Of course I bring up the mistakes bad townies make cause of my strong personal involvement in those games. I pushed Dandel in british. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam for being unreadable in Toy Story, other townies actually thought I was scummy for pushing those targets who turned out to be scum, same is happening with you cause I'm pushing Skanja. This game is no different and people like you don't learn from their mistakes so I have to remind them. No, I'm not sure between Kush and mderg as the last scum. If it were so easy I would be sure, hence why we have to lynch skanja. He is by no means acting townie as you say. Kush gave him a townread cause skanja said what he wanted to hear. He perfectly and completely imitated kush and thrawn's point of view in his townread post (Kush and thrawn town, everybody else scum). The fact that he mentions a flipped guy and a claimed vig among his townreads only displays that he's writing ANYTHING to appease people and give his scumbuddy a reason to townread him. His reasons for the fakeclaim are complete bullshit: On April 22 2014 06:48 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 06:22 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 22 2014 05:23 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 22 2014 01:11 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 21 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Skan I agree with you.
See skan is the only one realistically thinking about the scum team. All the other possible scums are hinting at people like me because they know they need lynches outside the poe to win. Well that's just not true. It's the most simplistic thing in the world to give a list of names with no reasoning like skan has done and I strongly think Vivax is town. The only thing you've brought up is his questioning of your lynch order and that's mediocre at best compared to the entire filter of Skanjabs! What in my filter is scummy, specifically? I already posted about everyone, this is my point exactly! Nobody is reading the thread and the game right now feels a lot like the day 1 lynch where everyone is saying the name of who they want to lynch but not actually giving reasons! I honestly do not think Vivax is scum at all and the fact everyone is pushing him as scummy over people like skanjab1s and mderg when vivax was pretty much one of the top town reads for a lot of people is really odd. Vivax is the only one that tried to get discussion going in regards to the day 1 lynch and tried to get people to post reasons for their lynch he was also the only one to start discussions on the next few days when it was very quiet only to get shut down and called scum! If there's one thing I can be right about this game is that this feels really odd. Skanjab1s, I have you as scum for claiming vig as an excuse to cover up your lack of activity. You were very defensive on day 1 over everything and only mentioned FirmTofu once and then afk voted him only to return the next day and claim roleblock. If you are town which for some reason people say you are and aren't giving reasons you should be realising that things are wrong too! I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity.It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig.I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame. The bolded is a perfect example of a bullshit reason. Why is it bullshit? Cause no matter if he claimed vig as town or scum, the effects would still be the same at this point, making his claim an advantage for a town skanja as well as a scum skanja, yet he turns it around saying that cause he has that advantage he has to be town while he wouldn't have it as scum...for what reasons??? No logic behind this post. It's another lie from a liar. Okay, explain how there is an advantage of me fake-claiming vig as scum, at this point in the game. Because this is the only reason you are able to give as to why I'm scum. That doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all. Also, please explain how my logic here is bullshit? My miller claim was real. Yours was fake. On omgus I got lynched over Alakaslam,now I'm at danger at getting lynched over a liar who never was of any help to the game, who never tried to take influence over a lynch for good or for bad. Claiming vig will not get you NKd and you should know that. The only reason you would do that is to get a CC or do it yourself, fake a shot using scum KP like I did in some games, get a free pass D1 on top of everything. You say the vig fakeclaim would be terrible scum play. So, what would be different at this point between the version where you're scum and the version where you're town? How didn't the vig claim work out for you? Do nothing D1, get a chance of finding out who the vig is D1, say you hoped to get NKd when it turns out your claim was fake.
Claiming vig can get you Nk'd? I don't know why you'd think that this is impossible. And I didnt fake a shot, nor did I need a free pass D1, as I could still play actively then. You're running out of reasons to say why this is scummy, so now you're reverting to the "Well, in this hypothetical situation that didnt occur, it would toootally be scummy". Yeah, it doesn't work like that.
For your question, the difference at this point is that, as scum, I'd have had to have thrown away a roleblock so that I could claim RB, and I'd be under extra suspicion for my fake-claim, while having gained nothing because I didn't use it to get out of a D1 lynch, and I didn't pose my claim in a way that would challenge counterclaims. As town, I have sunk a RB, (which, when I claimed, I didn't really realise, and was mainly hoping to get nk'd) and done what I would normally do, which is one point more helpful for town that what I'd have done if i had not fake-claimed. Also, it was fun.
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On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons.
Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads.
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He doesn't look town at all! His points are retarded!
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On April 23 2014 03:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 23 2014 02:31 Vivax wrote:Seriously, reread Day1. Look how skanjabis calls out mderg and kush scum, does nothing to push his reads, then when asked by thrawn to switch to FT, he makes up aquick reason and switches: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. Oh jesus, it was actually the night vote. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 18:02 thrawn2112 wrote:On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote:On April 17 2014 03:59 FirmTofu wrote:On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything. On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. This is tweek right? Yes! On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor. Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival. I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine. All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target. So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target. I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better. FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me? No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. i'd sheep that. hey skan do you wanna lynch FT? i'm down. Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Ok, let's put that mistake aside for a moment cause it could happen to town as well as to scum, or even could be a strategy to look as useless as possible. But if you look at the reasons you used to argue that FT is scum, it's those: - FT asks you questions - You ask if he played with you - replies no - You say he's scum cause he somehow knows your play makes you town, when he 1. said nothing of you being town and the same could be applied to anyone else besides mderg, who you said IS SCUM when he was the only guy calling you scum. Damned if I do damned if I don't. 2. Asked you questions that were most likely hinting at him not immediately buying your claim. @ Kush Why am I supertown now? Spell it out plz.
He actually did say that he believes the claim is genuine, which would make me town.
The reasons I used were actually:
- FT says that, from his past experiences with me, I wouldn't do something so rash as scum.
- I ask if he has played with me on omgus (to see if he had played a game with scum-me)
- He replies no
- I say he's scum because he made up a reason to call my claim genuine. (He had no previous experience with me as scum, so I didn't know why, as town, he'd try to imply that he has).
The same cannot be applied to anyone else in the game. I don't understand that.
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