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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:06 GMT
#237
On April 16 2014 02:47 Koshi wrote:
How did it suit him?


how does it not suit somebody to tell everybody how they think they play town/scum and then say "ah but I'm too new to hazard a guess about myself guess we'll never know" after it's already been pointed out that he's doing the exact opposite of what he said his town play is like.

you serious with these questions Koshi? They're really bad dude
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:16 GMT
#240
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.

Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:17 GMT
#241
On April 16 2014 03:11 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 02:34 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


I noticed, why else would it bother me that he starts going back to being so inexperienced when it suits him? you contradict yourself with those two sentences if you are getting on my case about being irked by the soft newbie claim.
If you are asking just for clarification though then yes, to repeat myself for you it does.

I filtered myself and looked at every single post of mine and I don't see where I "go back to being so inexperienced when it suits me".

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On April 12 2014 21:10 Djagulingu wrote:
EBWOP: OMG I have to remember not to edit.

This post comes the closest and it was a considerable time before role pms were distributed. Can you please explain how you got that impression?


it'll literally two posts above this one. I'll just assume you were making that post when I made mine.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 18:57 GMT
#255
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?

No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.
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On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.


^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.

All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I see no reason to think he is town.


so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.


Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.

You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.



Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.


sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 19:19 GMT
#262
On April 16 2014 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:
can you summarize that post because im having trouble understanding it


Koshi's nickname could be Joe Biden so far this game and Djag dodged a valid question by OTW by telling him to go read a book. I tried for ya kush lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 19:34 GMT
#264
On April 16 2014 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Are we scum?


Djab is scummy for sure. You I have no strong feelings for to either side.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 19:38 GMT
#269
On April 16 2014 04:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:34 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 04:20 Koshi wrote:
Are we scum?


Djab is scummy for sure. You I have no strong feelings for to either side.

Why are you not voting for him?


I did already.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 19:41 GMT
#271
On April 16 2014 04:37 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if you felt I was going to ask that. Because you only voted after I asked if you found him scummy


yup im a psychic, it's also why he's scum. Magical. Also I think it was before you asked but we'd need to know the exact time down to the second for that.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 15 2014 19:41 GMT
#272
I have no hard feelings for it Koshi. no worries
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 13:30 GMT
#401
I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.

Quick couple of things

Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.

I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)

My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.

Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.

Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.

Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.

To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.

The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 13:38 GMT
#403
@Skan while I agree with some of your points on that case, I still think your vote on mderg / kush with no explanation is pretty bad. Especially mderg at the time that it happened.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 13:40 GMT
#404
EBWOP: posted early T.T

do you (Skan) still believe mderg is scum after his case / defense vs the other lurkers in the game who have contributed less.

Personally I still feel like an mderg lynch is a bad direction for us to go in D1
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 14:17 GMT
#410
On April 16 2014 23:03 Koshi wrote:
OmniEulogy,
Why have you still said nothing on Kush?


oh sorry, I had deleted a bit from my first post because while I was writing it mderg had posted and didn't notice.

I think Kush multiple times has seemed like he knew the alignments of players, or messed around like he knew he did, I definitely understand why people would vote to lynch him D1 due to shit like

"i realize the shit I've said has been pretty retarded but it's not like there was better shit to talk about that early in the game. two alpha towns figthing... what do you say about that.."

and that seems to be the extent of most of his posts really. I'll keep my vote on thrawn though as I see him more likely as mafia than kush currently.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 14:18 GMT
#411
EBWOP: I hadn't noticed mderg's post, had to revise mine when I did.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 14:23 GMT
#414
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 14:35 GMT
#419
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 16:04 GMT
#442
To be fair, I think something would be more wrong with OTW if he wasn't considering both possibilities for Skan. It's not like claiming vig immediately makes you town no matter what you do for the rest of the game even if you did believe the claim at first. I think it's reasonable to still suspect him.

I mean opinions can change on something that nobody can actually say is true/false based on how he behaves afterwards.
which is also something I was thinking at the time he claimed but chose not to say because I wanted to see how Skan would continue to act.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 16:50 GMT
#465
I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 17:00 GMT
#468
On April 17 2014 01:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 01:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think your case for why thrawn is town might be correct but it still doesn't change my mind on how I view a Kush lynch over the other lurkers, both of which I would rather avoid because I feel like it's just lynching on person from a group and hoping you picked the right one. I realize you probably meant OTW but I realized I hadn't made any mention that I had read it either. lol

Well. I think Kush is the scummiest out of the group.


I wouldn't necessarily argue with you there either. The amount of times he's made mention to players being confirmed town in his eyes is a bit odd, even after being called out for it he did it again with Thrawn. Can't decide if that's just really ballsy scum play or fearless townie speaking his mind about who he thinks we shouldn't be going after for the lynch.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
April 16 2014 20:09 GMT
#541
FT I'm pretty sure everybody in this game should know how Koshi and Kush feel about me at this point. Koshi and I have like two pages of this game entirely focused on conversations between ourselves which started and ended in him calling me scum and Kush has said he thinks im town in like three different posts.

This comes off as a useless question to me that anybody in this game should be able to answer.
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