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yamato's bit on rayn not making townreads 5 minutes in reads like yamato town, silly thing to say if scum, and not in a good-silly way. Carefree comment, nonsense read based on nonsense reads, town. Especially since rayn thinks/thought that yamato might be mafia for being serious, yamato super town. keirathi hello! + Show Spoiler + I believe it's a piece of cake, if the way is hazy. I was once told that I had to "do the cooking by the book" and also ordered to "break it down bitch ... drop dat ass down low then pick that muthafucka up" gumshoe remarkably overzealous. everything else when skimmed does nothing for me or my pee-pee. | ||
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Captain's Log, Stardate 4135.24. Crash landed on alien planet. Pee-pee might be broken. There are enough side conversations that anything good gets lost in the noise, even if you're hunting for random little things. Hopefully later on the good stuff will come out in filters, but even the legitimate conversations are broken up by all the unimportant stuff right now, or are just conversations that don't sway me in any direction. I'm serious about yamato though. | ||
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On April 03 2014 16:26 Tehpoofter wrote: I have had good luck, but it's not a D1 thing and I need to chat directly with him to peer into his soul. DI's stuff on oats is meh.I still like Oats. who is good at reading him? I didn't like this response because I actually didn't realize Paper had posted in reverse. Saying "hey, someone posted a thing that was unreadable but it was really a post and here's how you read it" is helpful. I can't have been the only person who had no idea what was going on in paperscraps's post except to check his odd .s to see if he was crumbing something. On April 03 2014 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Unsure if this is serious or rayn trying to make a smelly case on me to make me think he's town. If the latter, it's not 100% effective. Green bit is super legit, carefree posting and stupid reads in this manner are a townie thing. Blue bit is that rayn's early game reads are often terrible, despite the fact that SOMETIMES they work out. This just stuck out to me as "lol rayn is wrong and he's wrong in a way that means yamato is town." If rayn is town, it's a bad early read and fits rayn making bad early reads on town. If rayn is mafia, nobody cares about his early yamato read, so there's no reason to call a scumbuddy mafia in this way, so he'd only be calling town yamato scum in this way, so yamato super town no matter rayn's alignment. #getsquawktred part: nono. yamato would try to read me as town but he would also "try to read me" as scum. either a lie or a very lazy comment green part: another good one, or rather.. bad one. yamato's read or "read" is not nonsense. my reads are definitely not nonsense because i already said i am srs. so austin are you calling me a liar? or are you making the same lazy "didn't read properly, didn't think for a second and i admit it, but anyways i am taking a stance" opening post you made in last game? blue part: how does me thinking yamato is serious make yamato more town? this makes no sense. best lynch 2014. My paragraph was not poo-poo. marv is wrong. | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:26 syllogism wrote: I don't think it's alignment-indicative, but I don't know gumshoe well. It's a stark contrast from what I know off-the-top-of-my-head about his recent play, and everyone else seems to be doing normal stuff (Palmar is being Palmar-y, people are being themselves-y, gumshoe is going ham on people). I like syllo for asking this question, he grabs a strange part of one of my posts, asks about it, in a way that indicates he probably wants to get a read on me.Did you intend to imply that gumshoe being overzealous is alignment indicative and if so, does it make town or mafia? On April 04 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote: HolyFlare, this is the wrong question. The right question is "what is the most town-favored tl mafia game mechanic" (or favoured). I have interpreted HF's posts as him having a role similar to the ... role we had as mafia in Aperture 3? We could transfer some people to a different game, and the rules of that game applied for the day. If HF can make other games' rules apply to people, or another game's rules apply to a single day of this game, he should be asking for the most town-favored. Something in there has to be fun as well.Anyone else want to input on what their favourite tl mafia game mechanic was? On April 04 2014 01:30 Palmar wrote: Put yamato on your townpile. He is town.kita roleclaimer. I am not completely opposed to policy lynches but I don't really enforce them. scumpile Yamato has not posted in this dimension. | ||
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rayn are you purposefully making comments to try and get me to townread you? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:09 Holyflare wrote: If poofter already explained the backwards thing then I missed it and robik loses his explanation points if he posted way after poofter, and you lose your "this is a bad post" negative points.This is a terrible post because poofter? already explained the backwards thing and then robik did the same thing. Eg his post said nothing of value. If you read the thread I'd expect you to see that so it's extremely odd that your return mentions that. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:18 IAmRobik wrote: Likely there are multiple themes. Couple roles from somewhere, couple roles from elsewhere.Is there a "theme" to this game? I'd like to look to see how I can soft my role | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:28 syllogism wrote: Jumped out at me. True on palmar. As far as feeling different, nobody else feels THAT different? Perhaps more that gumshoe (and robik) could be summed up by one word at that point. gumshoe overzealous, robik...pissy/ragey/something, but nobody needs robik pointed out.Why mention it at all if it's meaningless? Palmar hadn't even posted when you made that remark, and you using later content to explain why you singled out gumshoe at previous point is suspicious. Does no one else really feel different from how they usually play? | ||
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Birds don't need cars though. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:51 Palmar wrote: This is just a straight-up lie. There are a number of vehicles and objects that can travel through time.SCUMPILE SCUMPILE SCUMPILE. You know me from the future, but only DeLorean can be used to travel in time. Not Jetta. This means you did not know me and you are mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:52 gumshoe wrote: One game - gumshoe where are you? gumshoe where are you? HI GUYS I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BUT I'M HERE AND I WILL CLAIM A ROLE THAT ISN'T MINE AND NOW I'M SHOT KKBYECoincidentally, I am in fact a zealot, praise be to to lord RAKADANAKOOL! I think the issue here is you chose to mention something that for the most part is non alignment indicative but does have a negative connotation. Why did you feel the need to cast my play in a negative light (the word zealot is not a kind one / ![]() Coincidentally though, I am in fact a zealot, praise be to to lord RAKADANAKOOL! MAY HE SMITE OUR ENEMIES AND USHER IN THE APOCORYPSE Another game - I'm gumshoe and I'm posting and I'm super aggro. Happy to use overzealous because you were so aggro. To the extent that zealousness is negative, it's not negative in the sense that "all zealots throughout history were also mafia." | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: How many times have you ended a D1 and not found me scummy? How many games have you not "caught" me in?How can you know you are better than me? How can you know austin is not mafia based on what i said? Last time he was mafia based on the same thing. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: It has nothing to do with this game in the same way that you "catching" me in one game has nothing to do with this game. This has nothing to do with if i am right or wrong in this game and this is pure BS austin. marv, what old-school disney movie are you most familiar with? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:54 marvellosity wrote: The players in this game are Aladdin characters.hmm. Aladdin maybe? Who is the carpet and why? Who is the genie, except that instead of being summoned from a lamp, the genie in this case has to be summoned from Europe? Who gets to be Princess Jasmine? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: My comment is entirely thought through.I told jat and marv, who were following the last game, that in my opinion they should pay more attention to what i say. Not that it makes you scum austin. my case is what it is. It is that you comment on things that you have not thought through. You make conclusions based on something you have not read properly. If you post conclusions on somthing i would expect you to think why people say what they do (in this case yamato and me). You are clearly not doing so, but you are STILL posting conclusions. People start the game posting dumb reads to get things going or dick around. Yamato tacks some dicking around onto your dicking around, in a way that I like. He's not trying to get you lynched, he's picking a stupid thing to call someone out on, in a quick and carefree manner. It's the sort of post that comes from a townie. People who make posts that come from townies are likely to be townies. ta da | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:00 marvellosity wrote: Is the Jasmine read because "ick, girls" or "ick, brown girls"? You don't think suitors should have been vying for Jasmine?Right now, you are the carpet because you are whisking me away from the banality of the thread into a whole new world. Koshi is the genie, except that is a futuristic prediction, because I expect him to come from nothing and poop goodness all over the thread. Palmar is Princess Jasmine, because he has so many suitors bafflingly vying for his attention If HF is a magical rules-changing fairy, what's ruleset do you think is the most town-favored to be imported (maybe partially) into this game? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your reads were nonsense. You're not the non-nonsense fairy, you can't wave your wand and make everything you say true or not nonsense.But hey, the point is this: austin calls both of our reads "nonsense" - at that point my reads were not nonsense because i literally said "i am always serious when i give reads" - now, people who have paid attention know there is something going on with your read on me. he still claims both of outr reads were nonsense..... DI you around? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:13 marvellosity wrote: If the game is banal, and you are the walking repository of past games, just like...name a thing or two? Agreed on bureaucracy maybe being bad for scum? Do you remember any other games where scum had an advantage/disadvantage to balance, but the advantage wouldn't carry over well?She just had money, boring. Although I guess she turned out ok. *crosses fingers* ![]() Too difficult a question for me. We did not watch the same Aladdin either. Dem hips. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, gumshoe. I don't care whether YOU think they were nonsense. I assume you're being truthful there. But I think the universe, as a whole, doesn't order itself according to what you think. You can think something, be sure of something, and have it be wrong.And i tell you if you call my reads nonsense you are calling me a liar because they were not. So, again. Are you calling me a liar? In this case, nonsense | ||
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If there were a single thing that VayneAuthority does in games to give away his alignment, what would that thing be? If there's not, that's fine. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:24 Palmar wrote: She's one of the only legit princesses. Or whatever a sultan's daughter is.I'm okay with this, she's like my sixth favorite disney princess after anna, elsa, rapunzel, ariel and belle. Not in that order (belle is no1, anna probably no2). Also your list is way too modern. You need to time travel further back. | ||
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On April 04 2014 06:59 Dandel Ion wrote: <----i think somebody had a question for me while i was gone well im not gone now so quest Why does kita's "I'm not doing anything" bug you more than other people who checked in and did nothing? | ||
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I agree that he's the only one to say it straight out, but I don't see much different between saying it or not. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Where wanting to be afk...is bad, but just being afk is null?No? And the difference is intent, and with him that is easy to see, on the other random lurkers it's guesswork to figure out which wants to be afk and which just is. And saying you're GOING to be afk is bad, because ... you only say it if you want to be afk, not if you're just gonna be afk? I don't get how the wanting/just being thing is relevant to stating/not stating | ||
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You jumping on kita while not jumping on other folks, VA being the one i remember, was what stuck out to me, wanted to poke you about it. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:50 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think I care about the difference, maybe? Kita saying "I'm going to be afk for part of this cycle" and someone else being afk for part of this cycle are more or less identical to me. I just told you why. I don't know if VA is actually afk because he likes being a useless lurker (which he does), or if his family died in a plane crash or whatever. I know why kita is being afk (or rather "useless" since he did try to spam some fluff), because he said so, and it's 100% sure to be a non-valid reason. Do you like actually not understand the difference? I find that hard to believe. Or do you think being annoying is going to help you read me? Whatever the difference is, no, I don't get why providing a good/bad reason is different than taking the same action. Or at least, I don't really care about a difference there and then I'm not sure where I'm going. I didn't have a full conversation planned out here, was just curious about you getting on Kita's nuts for essentially saying "I'm not going to be around until later D1." Felt like an overblown reaction. On April 04 2014 07:56 Dandel Ion wrote: Nah. It's like people disliking Coag and his seal or whatever that business is. Game wouldn't be any fun if everyone had some gigantic tell that was obvious every game. I like fun. If candy, puppies, people and love are anti-fun, I'm kinda...mixed on them then.also that's like saying you hate free candy, puppies, people and love. | ||
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Kitaman, where do your loyalties lie? | ||
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On April 04 2014 09:38 sandroba wrote: Syllo asked me a couple questions about one of my posts. Just a little bit, not the part that popped the most. I'm town. I'd like some non bullshit reads or insights on syllo, marv and holyflare. Made it appear like he was actually reading thread. The question he asked and followup made it look like he was concerned about my alignment, trying to figure me out. Likely town, although I'll admit I have little/no experience playing with syllogism, just a generally townie set of actions. | ||
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On April 04 2014 09:38 kitaman27 wrote: Dunno. I'm not WoS.Preferably with the deity that doesn't want to sacrifice me. Are you willing to give me a better offer? Generally you pray and do stuff to gain a God's favor. Gods don't...fight to curry favor with a single non-God. Myself and any other Gods will be watching you. Can't figure out whether G or g is appropriate. | ||
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Who responded super quick to syllo about his read-through, then nothing. And more nothing. And for whoever wants to talk about multiple games, is less than alive in other games, which should yield an increase in participation/activity more than stuff like "people who are alive in other games are posting in other games." NOT A GREAT ARGUMENT. I UNDERSTAND. But I'm interested in why Gumshoe is specifically a good target over other lurkers. And if it's activity elsewhere, we've already seen RIGHT NOW that he can be inactive as town in other games. So the activity thing is basically a nullity (i'm not going to call someone town for not posting in a thread) But djo has been on some lists and not on others and is a way lurkier lurker than Gumshoe if you want lurkers. Hopefully someone else has realized this in the last couple pages. | ||
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But that was a player-created portion of the role, and he could un-tree-stump in order to vote once and then finally die. we've also had a single cycle ghost in at least one game, but I have seen no full on stumps | ||
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On April 05 2014 09:28 marvellosity wrote: There are a number of reasons why I've not been fucked. They don't relate to the game. As far as why I've not been here posting, there are more game related reasons than the lack-of-me-getting-fucked, but oh well.we need a majority, we don't need to delve into everyone's reasons when you've not been fucked to turn up until now. I'll join for majority on someone who martyrs that hard in an effort to stomp out martyring, or just...saying it's fine to kill you. But I don't get why he's the be all end all option. | ||
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At least, lying about his role in terms of making up win conditions/lying about win conditions. If you're going to lie about your 3P role or scum role, why not just say you're town. Even if you say dumb stuff about not being killable at night, don't you just say you were joking or say you're unkillable and town? | ||
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You spent part of D1 amusing yourself with your piles and whatnot. Therefore, you didn't have an aneurysm. So you're not mafia, unless a large percentage of mafia are active. What would you estimate your aneurysm threshold to be, in a %? | ||
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Hey Robik, would you care to chat, except that if either of us wants to use the word "fuck", we have to replacing it with the word "Robitussin"? Specifically, I'm interested in the HF side of this: On April 06 2014 04:14 IAmRobik wrote: One of syllo/HF might be a good shot and then if the one flips maf, we should clear the other On April 06 2014 04:17 IAmRobik wrote: I might be mistaking HF/yamato. Shit. My attention is split between this, the flyers game and the phillies game. Sorry | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:57 IAmRobik wrote: I didn't play in or read Heavyweight, is there a specific difference or just overall feel?Well HF has been scummy all game. The way he's playing this game looks nothing like Heavyweight Champ to me and I'd Robitussin lynch him in a heartbeat if he keeps up this shittastic style of Robitussin play. I've been worried about him on a different axis, which is mainly just that he's willing to look at past games from EVERYONE (Foolishness posts like this in Shadow, someone in Newbie somethingIV, VA has been explicit in past games that he doesn't like catching up on threads, etc.), but was scummy on DI for a while. And again, while it's super shitty, DI has a well-agree-upon very very very easy to read scum style, which is don't post don't do stuff get killed because you're lololololol obvious. It's out of place to be reading all these past games and commenting on them here, and then be scummy on DI. His activity is high, I don't dislike most of his comments, but just that and a crappy comparison between his trolling and Palmar's trolling (in defense to marv's voting him for antagonizing you and trolling /w palmar early) are under my skin. I've played against scumHoly before and don't have anything particular in mind that he did that game, he generally looked town and got along until maybe tripping himself up on some crucial votes/reads late. So what in particular is missing? Beyond that, I think that you should open yourself up to the truth about radiation. X-rays, cancer treatments, ...infrared thermometers? Radiation does a lot of helpful things for mankind. I think you're giving it a bad rap. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:58 Keirathi wrote: If you want to get sent on magical meta missions, I'd be interested in whether scum-syllo does the same thing in games where they both play or not. I don't think it's a great use of time, but this feels like nothing.Okay, already in just the first few pages of syllo's filter from CT, there is a glaring thing missing from him in this game. Syllo and sandro are super good friends, and discuss mafia games between each other all the time and have an uncanny knack for reading each other. In CT, syllo kept poking at sandro trying to get a read on him, and then posted this: The whole thing is pretty telling of their relationship, but the bolded in particular: why isn't syllo trying to convince sandro that he is town this game? Why does he seem to be avoiding sandro altogether? Yea, I think syllo is probably scum. If they talk all the time about every game and wuv to figure each other out in every game they play, then they both know that (it would appear they both know this), then I see it as less scummy and more just "wtf are they doing" to not be doing the thing they always do and know they always do. I'm dragging in sandro there with "they," but from what I know it's not like syllo always talks to sandro and reads sandro, while sandro sits around snapchatting his penis. | ||
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On April 06 2014 07:25 IAmRobik wrote: Nope, I'm not, right now. This isn't even particularly equivalent to my inquisitive games (I do like being inquisitive early). Nobody's done anything to catch my attention as much as someone saying "I've been making up my reads all game and now I understand the game and will stop making up my reads except I don't actually have reads." When someone does that, I promise to jump on it and get accusatory. Hey Austin, remember when I read you as town for going out of your way to make a case on someone you thought was town. You're not playing in the same manner this game. You're being more "inquisitive" instead of accusatory | ||
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On April 06 2014 07:41 Acrofales wrote: Could you be more specific?Counting is hard | ||
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On April 06 2014 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Perhaps it's more shades of CATPOCALYPSE, but I think this one fits CATASTROPHE betterI honestly don't know. I can't trust the guy at all, like ever, especially after Cultured so it's always going to be in the back of my mind in every game unfortunately. Considering the ending of Cultured was probably largely my fault I don't think I'm the person to go to for this. In any case there are more obvious and likely targets before him. Also was watching random Youtube videos and I was reminded of this... Surely when that cat picture was posted earlier in the pregame in regards to CATASTROPHE they meant to post this. | ||
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Say we lynched amiko and amiko was being truthful or is of an alignment that wouldn't lie. Why would syllo, who at least sandro now says should die, lie about amiko's night action on N1? What purpose is there to lie and basically 1 for 1 yourself with someone who, in the case of amiko being honest, would be 3P? (or town or whatever, but why would we insta-kill syllo?) | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:46 Holyflare wrote: Because it's not new information. Someone who is legit thinking "Death likely this alignment" or "Why is Death a DT?" should have thought it when it first came up. It's weird to bring that up this late after it was already revealedwhy does it matter? i want to cross off townies Holyflare's grandmother : HolyFlare, I'm a squirrel, and last fall I ran around gathering acorns 5 years later, Holyflare's : WAIT A MINUTE. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR MY HUMAN GRANDMOTHER TO SAY SHE'S A SQUIRREL AND GATHERING ACORNS That is...a bad example, but I wanted to type it. It's just peculiar to have that gap in time, where you don't seem to be thinking about something the first time it comes up, and then hours and hours later when it's mentioned again all of a sudden you're interested. | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Not in the grandmother example.Austin, it makes perfect sense. | ||
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Either she's competent and lives on her own and has all her money OR she gets put under Holyflare's care and he handles all the finances. In the case where Holyflare has no evil motives, town Holyflare, if he was worried about the squirrel comment or didn't believe it, he should have been that way 5 years ago, when the comment was made. However, if he just wants to find things suspicious about people, or show that his grandmother doesn't have her wits about her, then 5 years in the future he could suddenly have a bolt of lightning that she probably wasn't well because she did say she was a squirrel 5 years ago. It fits better, in that it's opportunistic not to question something when it first comes up, and then randomly jump on it later. IT'S STILL NOT PERFECT BECAUSE YOU WOULD PROBABLY NOTICE WHEN THE QUESTION OF COMPETENCY COMES UP THAT YOUR GRANDMOTHER THINKS SHE IS A SQUIRREL, BUT ALSO VE'S ALIGNMENT WASN'T REALLY IN QUESTION WHEN THIS DEATH/DT STUFF CAME UP AGAIN, SO IT'S STILL NOT A PERFECT HYPOTHETICAL STUPID EXAMPLE BUT IT'S MUCH CLOSER. Holyflare, do you want your grandmother's fortune? | ||
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Rayn's role says "you win with the town" Keirathi's role says "you win with the town" I can keep going, but in fact, EVERYTHING says that. you know, for townies | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:28 Holyflare wrote: keirathi and gumshoe are green and it mentions them being town marv was blue and it mentions him only winning with town Quote tags moved so that it's easy to read when quoted and not overly nested On April 05 2014 10:03 GreYMisT wrote: Just says win with town, nothing about being town apart from the win.Gumshoe, as Conquest, was lynched! Welcome to Catastrophe Mafia! You are Conquest. Conquer or be Conquered, that is the way of things. You have a one shot apocalyptic army you can set on a player any time after Day 1 (they will be notified). That player will die 24 hours later unless you call off the army. You can PM the mod after using your army to remove it from your target. You will be refunded with the use of your army. You win with the town. " I looked, and there was a white horse! Its rider had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he came out conquering and to conquer" On April 06 2014 11:09 GreYMisT wrote: Town needs you, you need them. Nothing about BEING town, until the very end "you win with the town."Keirathi, Speaker of the Brown is dead Welcome to Catastrophe Mafia! You are the Speaker of the Brown! You are the esteemed leader of the brown, and ancient cult that seeks more out of the journey, and not the result. This town needs you, and you need them. The brown have had mighty sway over the noble population in the past years, and your members lay in wait. As the speaker, you direct the brown. They are out there, awaiting your orders. Each day, you may send 2 messages (via the hosts, limited to 20 words) to any two players. You may not send a message to a player twice per game. The player will be notified that they have received a “Message from the Brown”. Players you message will become inspired with the glory of the brown, and will gather together to discuss your teachings. People you message will have an improved ability to communicate with each other. They also might go insane. You are not quite sure what this means, but that might be because you are a bit crazy yourself. You also may also, twice per game at night, PM a host to put a message into the day post. You win with the town. "Winning is not always easy. Winning with style is harder yet. Before you win a game, you must ask yourself. How do I want to win this? You want to be remembered for the fun you bring to the games and the style in which you win them." -Chezinu | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote: How is that retarded? look it's irrelevant you know what i am i'm a blue dimensional lemming and i changed it to a pm game? why would i claim a role that was traditionally a mafia role in the thread if i wasn't town that would just be retarded | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Wait, what?because i wouldn't know that powers can be any alignment this game if im scum so i'd assume it would be a mafia power if i was mafia.......... as i only checked the mafia awards and it said it was a mafia role Why is what you did, "Hey guys I'm softhard claiming dimensional lemming" retarded to do as mafia? | ||
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A random guy named steve claims dimensional lemming as mafia dimensional lemming. Why is what he did retarded? What is driving you to say that such a claim is retarded? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:47 Holyflare wrote: SO HERE'S WHY I ASKi've never seen dimensional lemming in a game before so the only knowledge i have is that it's a mafia role (if i was mafia) and also the fact that i checked the awards thread where lemming was voted best mafia role. So there is no knowledge that lemming COULD be town in this game so there is 0% chance that i would risk claiming lemming this game if i was mafia at the start of the game onwards, that's why it would be retarded (to me at least) You were softhard claiming this on D1. A bunch. This is a 30 person game. 29 of the people are NOT YOU. And the ENTIRE time you're doing this, how many people said "dimensional lemming was a mafia role last time, therefore HF is mafia." I believe the answer is 0. If it's higher, it's like 1-2 max. You have straight up evidence from this game that people don't just connect a role that's been mafia once to being mafia always. How can you think it would be otherwise? You can't honestly say it's retarded and people would think this when you KNOW they don't, because THEY JUST DIDN'T. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote: His list is bad and is the "people not voting" list. There are a number of folks on there who are unlikely to be mafia. why we care so much about HF. His list looks pretty good. He is not lynch material except if he stole this list from people who were going to bring this list public really soonish and HF just posted it fast for town cred. I am lynching many peoples on the list before HF tbh. The kita/foolishness list, modified in a couple ways, is better (drop syllo for his scum claim, drop poofter for being dead, drop amiko for the syllo bit) | ||
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The evidence HAS already happened. D1 happened, nobody cared about your claim and said it meant you were mafia. So it's not okay for you to think, TODAY, that claiming dimensional lemming as mafia is retarded, because you know what happens when you claim dimensional lemming. Nobody calls you mafia for it. | ||
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Which you followed up by saying the green flips didn't say that, and said the people were townie. WHICH IS FALSE. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:59 Holyflare wrote: You DID claim D1 with all your questions.look austin i don't care, i'm talking about the past "it would have been retarded to claim" is implied to be retarded to claim at the start of the day 1 i'm not talking about now You stood up in front of 29 people and said "I really like animals that live in water, and swim, and have gills, animals that we can cook and eat, animals that are grouped into a category that starts with the letter F" 29 people just looked at you You stood up in front of 29-x people the next day and said "It would be stupid for anyone to say they liked Fish. Because people who like Fish in the past have been mafia." We all KNEW you meant you liked fish on D1. And we just looked at you, we didn't call you mafia. So it's entirely illogical for you to think, today, that saying you like fish makes people think you're mafia. BUT THAT'S EVEN BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE MY REAL PROBLEM IS BEFORE THIS WHOLE BIT. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:17 Holyflare wrote: marv 3p wins with town* is that the only thing you care about? if that 1 person was town reading you or not? On April 08 2014 04:26 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't say "you are a town x" just says "you win with town" so i assumed it was 3p Step 2: HF is told that means you're town On April 08 2014 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: Well, I am town and I also have the sentence "You win with town." in my rolepm. On April 08 2014 04:29 IAmRobik wrote: Mine definitely doesn't say that I'm town, but it says that I win with town. I just assumed that makes me town. On April 08 2014 04:30 Dandel Ion wrote: op says stuff is color-coded normally so everything that flips green/blue is town "you win with town" means you're town this is dumb Step 3: HF's brain does these things On April 08 2014 04:30 Holyflare wrote: Checks role PMs, which didn't say people were town, only that they won with town, and ... either read them entirely wrong or lies.yes my pm says win with town and it doesn't say i'm town and i'm blue so i assumed it was 3p because there have been greens that said they were town and had a power too (i checked and gumshoes doesnt by he has a power and keirathis does and he also had power) On April 08 2014 04:33 Holyflare wrote: Believed that there are 18 trillion 3Ps, (because every flipped blue so far would be 3P - marv, foolishness, kitaman, BLAZINDHAND who had the same thing, Holyflare himself, and Amiko, meaning Holyflare believed there were at least 6 3Ps in the game, and 5 of them just random 3Ps who also win with town (4 flipped people plus himself))scum shot 3 towny looking people and i assumed they were 3p yeh x_x How is this where your brain goes? If you see THIS MANY ROLE PMS THAT SAY "you win with town" and you have PLAYED GAMES ON TL MAFIA BEFORE, how do you conclude those people are all third parties. ESPECIALLY when your conclusion (greens are town, blues are 3Ps) is not color-coded to the OP OR ANY OTHER TL MAFIA GAME, and when your conclusion RELIES ON MISREADING THE GREEN ROLE PMS THAT, IN FACT, STATE THE SAME THING AS THE BLUE ROLE PMS | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote: Except the green role that you thought was town doesn't ever say "You are town," it only says "You win with the town."no, i'm saying i got my role pm, it was blue, it doesn't say i'm town at all it just says i win with town so i'm like, that's weird wording but whatever what game shall i make it that's town favoured? i see palmar say it doesn't say his alignment, i think to myself! hey mine doesn't say that either, maybe i'm just like palmar! it doesn't say i'm town so maybe i'm 3p! check op - it says there are some 3p's where it says win with town, ok whatever i guess i am 3p! in the meantime i go to awards thread and look for top town rated themed games, see lemming as mafia rated top game role, see games i dont really want to use here because it could go wrong, ask around in thread more and more, decide pm game! lynch gumshoe, gumshoe has power, gumshoe is green, confirms my thoughts that i'm 3p because green people have powers too! keirathi, marv, foolishness and kita die! hey their powers are all weird not totally towny powers and they are all blue, maybe it's a super game with lots of 3p's! (drunk out of my mind on weekend too so not really paying attention)! game is pm game now, pm nobody, get pm'd by town heros, make good list of scum here we are | ||
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Back to basics had no 3rd parties and some of the flips aren't in the main host filter so I'm lazy and not looking to see whether there were blues but there probably were. You played in TL XIII. Blues and Greens were town. 3Ps, the assassins, were black. Played in World Heavyweight Championship. Green and blue were both town. Played in II Titanic. Blues and Greens were town. 3P, sebastian, was black. I can keep going, but I imagine that I'm going to find only games where Blue meant you were town, and all 3Ps were in Black. Cuz that's...how it always is. | ||
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![]() I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk). I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo. I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie. I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote: No, different thoughts.My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role. If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period? | ||
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Liking foolishness's posts was a plus. Liking foolishness's read on iamp PROBABLY a big plus if iamp is red. I think sandro is a good target for snb to give a gun to, so that's fine, and him checking up to see whether that was his gun's shot is pretty good. I think he's fine. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Yes. Lulz.isn't poofter getting nuked by syllo.............................? | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote: This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument.He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up. It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote: It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum break down the scenario for me like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that? (1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town. (2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts. (3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood. The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had. Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote: I am saying you look scummier for that comment.Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier? If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:48 Holyflare wrote: You made the list comment right after this: why did you say the list was bad but then change exactly 1 thing..............? so then the list is in fact good? you also mention poofter is dying today but then say he isn't to be trusted not long after? wut On April 08 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote: who really cares, i've given you a list, you are arguing about numbers not the people on the list, your point is irrelevant to the game See the first comment. When I'm responding at the top there, the "list" i thought Koshi was talking about was the list of not votings. There were two lists, one you made, one that was in the votecount and had just been mentioned. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:56 Killing wrote: My theory is that it doesn't matterDo you have any theories over the color difference? | ||
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In Aperture 1 - There were green and blue roles. Both were town. There was no difference. Aperture 2 and Chrono Trigger both had just blues. You get no links. I don't remember other Greymist games off the top of my head, someone else might. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote: That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. | ||
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Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote: Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad.You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen. | ||
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I mainly would be alright with killing him for the argument above on HF. Based on all the button speculation, his role is probably interested in the button somehow, just in one of those bluesnipey ways where constantly talking about x means your role involves x. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote: What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there."Traditionally" is a stretch. And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role. But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:45 Holyflare wrote: You're a step off.THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment! You're arguing hard for this being a risk, for thinking that mafia wouldn't do something because people would find it all scummy. But you're arguing that now, today, when D1 shows that it is a bad argument. If you HELD that belief, if you're being truthful, then your belief was questionable and you shouldn't be using it to bolster your arguments. If you NEVER HELD that belief, because you're lying, then you're pretty much mafia for lying so oh well. You may have thought there was a risk, but at this point in time you shouldn't be thinking there was and arguing about it and thinking that it's a strong point. Really, I just just generally seen town Holyflare make sensible arguments and whatnot. In this game, you're making THESE arguments, and you're thinking DI is scum on D1 and pushing that. Random people are correct that this should stop, however. Whatchoo think about Killing's comment on you? | ||
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(+3 Fate): Once per game, you may target a player by typing in the thread ##But the future refused to change: Player Name Target player will stay in thread for day or night after death and not flip until then (thread is notified of death). That player may not vote or action. Either a different role here OR someone is getting kilt OR some serious shennanies are occurring. | ||
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On April 08 2014 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Few and only a little.All wonderful outcomes! Hey yo austin have you been in contact with people? | ||
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If not, I will show you an ankle if you will reveal two words that are located anywhere in your role PM. You can even change the capitalization if you wish. | ||
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Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand: On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote: My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote: Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town? On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote: Chaos counter: 0 Gimme dat blazing green read now On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote: I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way.There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad? It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion. heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters. But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red. Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy. | ||
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On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote: Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie.As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here. | ||
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On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote: No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before.My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking. | ||
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On April 09 2014 04:44 geript wrote: Okeedoke on the claiming.Most times, scum generally don't make insightful posts. It just doesn't happen. Like a lot of times those type of posts come from town. Prplhz did the same thing in cell where he made some pretty insightful posts on me but early I was blindly tunneled on him and Rayn was blindly tunneled on me so I didn't stop to actually read and analyze either properly. So when you see a good post like that, it's generally town seeking some sort of confirmation. Is it quite possibly a scum soft pushing a mislynch based on perceived behavioral difference? Sure. But I don't think so. Like he doesn't bother pushing that point at all and doesn't lump HF in his scumpile. I just think he's town who's wrong/bad/whatever. That simple. As for your promise/bet/offer/whatever, like I don't care if you show me ankle, your not hard pee pee or Marv's heterosexually challenged pee pee. I'm not role claiming. I will however be more than happy to read Joey. So that post is...LSB trying to figure out HF, but not pushing him for scum? You think he's legit trying to learn about HF's play to read him? THIS ISN'T REALLY A TRAP HERE I JUST DON'T GET THE SAME SENSE YOU DO FROM THAT BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR SENSE IS COMING FROM | ||
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On April 09 2014 05:14 geript wrote: That's cuz you haven't read the game or my filter Overall, Austin I don't really like your reasons for Joey being scum at all. Like assuming that roles are town or scum based on what they do is really fucking terrible. Hell I remember people trying to game you as town in PTP4 based on how you used your role and how/when you claimed it. Like that's really bad and it's really weird to me that you're not making any argument based on what he's done that makes him scum instead of his role makes him scum. ![]() He's mainly scum/scummy for this: On April 08 2014 05:51 austinmcc wrote: I am saying you look scummier for that comment. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote: I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen. | ||
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On April 09 2014 05:32 geript wrote: I've joined 200+ page games before, big themed ones, and a Greymist game in Chrono.That's fine if you have other stuff on him. But it's really bad play to make this post for him being scum without reiterating those other points. I'm going of 200+ as my day 1. I'm happy to read other stuff but I'm not going to dive for it. You guys have to help me out some. I know the feeling, and also, btw, it's impossible. You'll never catch up, you have to play going forward. Especially since you're missing PM stuff that I wasn't in those games. But I'm making the point for everyone, that wasn't specifically at you. I'm happy to catch you up on what I've done, but I'm not saying "Hey Geript, Killing is wonky/scummy/lying/blah blah." I don't believe, in general, that he's town and I don't believe, in general, that he's truthful about his role being OH YA HALP TOWN MANY HALP KK | ||
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"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum." If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie. | ||
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On April 09 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote: There's a whole chain of questionable crap there then.What he did is not the main function of his role. His role has another function. Anyway. Maybe he lied. You're right. But I think he was being sincere in our conversation Base level - maybe he lies Next level - he doesn't know what he does Next level - he argues that he's town for doing one town favored thing as part of his role If you trust he wasn't lying about his role, that's fine fine. But if he sincerely DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE REALLY DOES OR WHY IT'S GOOD, then it is difficult for me to go "Oh that's great, makes perfect sense he'd argue he's town based on his role." Because IF he's been 100% truthful, he doesn't actually KNOW if he's town-favored apparently. And if he's NOT being truthful, that's just a problem in and of itself. Like...sincerely not knowing what you do or why it's useful is incompatible with "I did this thing with my role and it is townie so my role is townie so I'm town." Add that to his defense-ish of HF, no bueno. For instance. You are Robik. How do you feel about that HF defense post? HF probably town because he wouldn't do this anti-town thing as mafia. | ||
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On April 09 2014 06:22 Dandel Ion wrote: It's not. Not knowing =/= not town.I don't know what the chaos counter stuff does either, and I'm town. I don't see it as that out of the question~ Now knowing = unable to legitimately argue "I did this thing therefore my role is town and I'm town." | ||
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For all, I will note that things like "Having townie role and using it in townie way" or just "Using role in townie way" AND "having a ridiculous role PM that simply cannot be made up" are BOTH things that I've used to look town in Greymist games (and other themed games). Scum with verifiable actions can't really always do anti-town stuff with their roles, because someone will verify or check up on them, and go LOLOLOL YOU SCUM. This isn't true of ALL actions, but it's true of a whole heck of a lot of them. I'm more interested in the actual posting than the role, what I'm arguing about the role is that I believe people are super overvaluing whatever it is they value about the claim, and that Killing HIMSELF should not be able to argue "i'm town based on role" while also saying "I dunno what my role does fully." If I have a chest full of stuff, I can't go "I am rich because I have so much stuff in this chest" and also go "I don't know what's in this chest or how much it's worth." I AM ON FIRE WITH MOSTLY TERRIBLE ANALOGIES TO WEIRD SITUATIONS THIS GAME. | ||
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On April 09 2014 07:10 geript wrote: If that's a good thing, sure. One last thing, Austin I <3 you. Would you like to become my snooglewoogle? If it's a bad thing, probably not. | ||
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On April 09 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote: KILL OR BE KILLEDJat if you don't shoot lsb i will kill you JAT you also better draw a picture of holyflare as horseyflare, OR ELSE I WILL DRAW THAT PICTURE FOR YOU | ||
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Also also, amiko, if you're around, care to talk about whether this is real or just supposed to make me curious? On April 09 2014 02:09 Amiko wrote: Just so you don't have to worry about fake stuff sand- fog | ||
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On April 09 2014 10:04 Killing wrote: Is this the part where you go "Oh, I forgot to mention, but the way my chaos counter reset is balanced is that it also activates a prince of darkness power"ROFL SORRY GUMSHOE | ||
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can't visit Killing. If someone were super tunneled on Killing, they would say that this COULD indicate that Killing does Bad Things So Bad That The Spectre Cannot Know Them. On April 09 2014 10:05 IAmRobik wrote: Because host said so, with lynches or shots or other things, and I can reduce radiation a little but there is a cost and I am unsure right now if it's worth it.Why is it night and how do we kill scum and how do we decrease Radiation? I'm interested in results from box-guarding on N2, maybe we can shake something useful out of that? | ||
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On April 09 2014 10:08 Killing wrote: It is likely someone, and more likely than not someone scummy, has a power that skips a day. In PYP games it's "prince of darkness," basically a one-shot power to go from night --> night.Then where was the lynch if he placed a vote? He would have dissipated last night. | ||
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POSSIBLY looks bad for geript, although we don't know that whatever this is was a N1 usable power, or didn't come from an item, or something else | ||
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Once he has placed his vote (or at the end of the 3rd day), the Spectre dissipates and travels to the great beyond. I don't believe he did, unless he has amazingly fast fingers. | ||
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On April 09 2014 10:46 VayneAuthority wrote: Oooh! Which am i?do you honestly think it is behind the scenes xD I hope for the town's sake that is in jest. There is people paying attention to the game and then there is a small group not paying attention thats about it. | ||
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On April 09 2014 11:07 IAmRobik wrote: Unknown.Austin. On a scale of 1-10, how lonely are you? I am, at the very least (i think), someone's Snooglewoogle | ||
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On April 09 2014 11:11 IAmRobik wrote: If you want to play this game, then we can play The only reason I had to think you are town is dead. This scares me. I'd expect you to be lonely. WHy aren'y you lonely? ![]() I'm not sure if I'm lonely or not. For I am Quetzalcoatl, the Bird God of Thunder. My cloacal protuberances are townie and vast. Should your eyes seek to gaze upon my protuberances, you could not. They are too vast for your eyes to comprehend. You might discern a fold, a wrinkle, a few hair follicles, but you could not comprehend the enormity of my protuberances with your eyes and your knowledge. In the same manner, you may look upon a friend of mine, but he is a single friend wrinkle upon my protuberances. There may yet be other wrinkles. Concern yourself not with the wrinkles of my protuberances. For now. | ||
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On April 09 2014 10:39 justanothertownie wrote: Did the other people guarding the device also get no list back? On April 09 2014 11:23 Paperscraps wrote: Just got home! I know 3 people who visited the device last night. Pretty bummed we didn't get to do cell mafia. | ||
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On April 09 2014 19:42 sandroba wrote: No or possibly yes-ish?@koshi/austin group Did you guys get anything from killing lsb ytd? We got a dead scummer. Koshi took the actual shot, I used a different action last night, so he would have been the killer if LSB had an item/items. Koshi also should have used a particular item or had a particular item that I assume you guys know about, and shot LSB + guarded button. The yes-ish bit is that (1) you should now be part of the group, unless I was blocked or something got in the way. Nobody has shown up today, and I've got a bunch of posts in all caps now wondering where you are and why you're not speaking. (2) Unless anyone has a killing machine repair kit + de-radiationator, we are unlikely to be able to pop off any more mafias | ||
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On April 09 2014 23:05 sandroba wrote: Okay. I'm not sure whether my action went through or not. Based on you not getting anything and the counters being where they are, I believe that I got blocked or something.@quetzalcoatl I never got any pms from gm about anything from you guys You should have received something and the radiation counter should have decreased, and my lovely Scum Shooter should not have broken. So i THINK I was blocked or delayed, unless someone else raised the radiation by 2 (cancelling my lowering), in which case the numbers work out for the problem to be on your end, and not on mine. If there's a way to confirm that you were actionable-upon last night without revealing anything, I'd be interested, because it would give me a small amount of insight into how the counters should have moved/actually moved. | ||
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On April 10 2014 00:37 sandroba wrote: Well then, that'd do it. I dunno whether my action failed altogether or still influenced radiation despite not having a valid target. Can check.@austin Last night i couldnt have been targeted with anything supposedly. On April 10 2014 00:38 geript wrote: When the day ended, I had boats 'n' hoes. Woke up this morning with only the hoes @Austin. Did you lose anything last night? ![]() I lost my scum-shoot-o-matic. | ||
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If you're actually protecting dudes, I would protect someone else. I've been mostly on the sidelines of this game, or up in my nest, and don't have as many shots as I thought I would end up having (unless I'm lying and gonna shoot more scum pewpew). We can still be snooglewoogles, except that if you got a stacking item on a support I will tile my head at you in a curious manner. | ||
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On April 10 2014 00:55 geript wrote: I can translate a few words of Wubbybumpkinese, but I believe some of that is in pluperfect, with which I'm no good.@Snooglewoogle. I'm really not jealous but you likely can not understand Wubbybumpkinese. Marv probably can; I'd put money that Prome gets it. I'm not sure Wubby will but I'm hopeful. | ||
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On April 10 2014 01:10 IAmRobik wrote: I've not played video mafia.Killing, Paperscraps: Austin might be Andy's video mafia name. | ||
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sandroba, if you were untargetable last night, i did NOT affect the counters. Somebody done done something to increase that there chaos, I reckon. | ||
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On April 10 2014 03:10 Killing wrote: So now that LSB is confirmed mafia, can you explain why I used (1) We don't know whatcho stuff does (2) YOU JUST CALLED HIM A FELLOW MAFIA MEMBER. SUP SCUM (3) I'm unsure how not knowing he was gonna get got is a ... positive. Scum is more likely to empower scumbuddies or whatever if they don't think scumbuddies will get shot. If you KNEW he was gonna get shot and still did something AND he died, that's a point in your favor (why waste juice on a guy who will be deaded). But because you didn't know, it's not a plus for you. | ||
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On April 10 2014 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I spoke not with VA.Maybe austin? Didn't he claim the shot on LSB? And VA said he was telling people to kill scum, and the only thing he's got in the thread is "Kill LSB". Beyond that I have no idea. It wasn't me if that's what you're asking, and if it's not what exactly /are/ you asking? | ||
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On April 10 2014 07:14 Paperscraps wrote: Can I just check and make sure koshi was on the device last night? If he was, his actions went through and whatever part he's supposed to play in stuff happened, afaik.@Jat, quick question. You claim that you interacting with the device last night. Why were you doing this, Instead of killing bad guys for us? Also, only 4 people were at the device the previous night. 3 of them were most likely guarding it and town. 1 of the people at the device, I am not sure what their intentions are. We may need to make sure we are allocating enough people to guard the device and what not. | ||
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On April 10 2014 09:54 justanothertownie wrote: I tried to guard the device N2 I shot noone N3. I am not the best lynch (for town). I might be the best possible lynch for mafia. Does this mean you're claiming to have done absolutely nothing on N3? No role, no device, nada? You just ... sat? | ||
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On April 10 2014 10:05 justanothertownie wrote: Hahahaha. This is worse, although not necessarily scummy.Hint: Read what geript said/did. You've been found guilty of the terrible crime of "believing stuff geript says." I think we can let you off easy this time, so long as you never commit the same offense again. | ||
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On April 11 2014 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote: If you're not town-aligned, could you please give me a different answer that conflicts with earlier stuff?Because VA said he wanted to kill LSB in our QT and LSB ended up dying so I was like "Meh maybe he's town after all". There was nothing that said there HAD to be scum in our QT, only that it was possible...so I took a leap of faith. <3 | ||
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Otherwise, those statements feel like they say very little / nothing, and are based on just the assumption that "in a group of x size, there will be scum," when we may have absolutely no idea who we're talking about. paper, why does town "running a train on mafia" --> at least 1 scum being in the town circle? | ||
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I don't particularly see "unlynchable" scum, but there are other roles that would interact with a vote or lynch like a twist on being vengeful or something. Other crap too, but most of the time if a role does something at lynch, it does something to the people voting and not to folks not voting. I'd rather hedge towards more safety and have whatever couple people are on a second wagon and not oats be super townies, or people critical to magical townie plans. Dunno if that gives too much away by showing scum who is valuable, but we've already had some roles claimed and whatnot, at the very least we should be able to get a couple people off oats and the vast majority on. Voting oats mesself. | ||
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On April 12 2014 02:59 Killing wrote: I'm still kind of interested in the above, based on what he's posted. Nvm, just read through his filter and he claimed saruman. Let's kill him. Fuck everyone that claims 3p. Oats not town. You posted this: On April 12 2014 02:03 Killing wrote: He's probably town and saruman is the evil wizard I should be looking for. Can you 'splain? | ||
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What do you think oats' alignment is? Por que? Why did you think he was probably town? If he's mafia because he says he's saruman, why do you believe his claim? | ||
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On April 12 2014 05:53 geript wrote: Just so we know, do you look like this in your role PM? What's sweet about tonight is I already have my night action planned out. ![]() Also, in terms of your night action(s), what color describes the risk to townies? What color describes the risk to scum? ![]() | ||
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On April 12 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you have a moment to talk about the glory and love of ABBA?Im kinda herem why austin? I do not want you to die without the love of ABBA in your heart. I have a feeling that you listen to other scandinavian artists, worship the A of -Ha and the Ace of Base. But I can offer you a chance to repent and open your heart to ABBA. Even if you are mafia, it would be unwise to enter the afterlife without knowing the true love of our Swedish masters. So, my child, do you accept the light of ABBA into your, admittedly short, remaining life? | ||
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We believe that, by accepting ABBA, you will either gain immediate acceptance into the obs thread, or spend a peaceful purgatory in the TL Automated Ban List thread (reading only, not as a ban), until such time as the gates of obs may open to you. Should you fail to find your way, your afterlife may be spent answering a phone, the number of which is given out to every poster complaining of balance issues in any game. | ||
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May ABBA have mercy on your soul, even if you would not...(/sunglasses)...take a chance on them | ||
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IN ABBA IS LIFE. WITHOUT ABBA, EVEN A VICTORY OR LOSS IN THIS GAME SHALL BE HOLLOW AND WILL BRING YOU NO JOY. PRAISE BE UNTO ABBA. | ||
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Do you wish to pledge yourself to listen to the ABBA and none but the ABBA? Do you seek the catchy hooks and the melodic vocals of the most glorious Swedes? | ||
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On April 12 2014 10:10 Amiko wrote: We are but mortals, not blessed with the sonic gifts of ABBA. Fear not, for ABBA understands that all sing praise in their own way, and does not frown about the karaoke-goers.I had an ABBA experience in college but I'm not sure if I'm ready to commit. When you have seen those you called friends blaspheme the Book of the Dancing Queen in a karaoke bar, it is difficult to believe. Why do bad things happen to Swedish people? On a serious note, I didn't adjust either counter yesterday. I can drop radiation slightly tonight, but have to increase chaos to do so. If there's no difference in 3 and "more than 3" chaos, I will start doing so. | ||
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Given the message attached to his unlynchability, and given the balance we've seen in other roles (use x, give up y), he's unlikely to be as dangerous as Random Scummer X, or Random Possible Scummer X. | ||
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![]() You've been somewhat interested in radiation, and kinda especially in radiation going up, this game. On April 06 2014 13:50 Paperscraps wrote: He hinted at his role being anti-town in some way right? So maybe chaos or radiation goes up if he kills? On April 07 2014 10:58 Paperscraps wrote: ##Vote Syllogism That nuke though. Hey Syllo, how much will radiation go up? On April 12 2014 10:06 Paperscraps wrote: @Acrofales - Has the chaos and radiation counters stayed the same? It's not too late for you. Repent. Turn away from the radiation, paperscraps. Turn away from the radiation and seek the ABBA. There is peace in the ABBA. | ||
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On April 12 2014 10:42 geript wrote: Does this = "I geript, believe oats to be town"?I can't see a non-town being immune to lynch always. Like that'd be really OP. Regardless of the answer, I am spreading the good news. Many of your friends and neighbors are already listening to the wonders of ABBA. Do you, snoogle woogle, believe in the healing power of the almighty ABBA? | ||
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On April 12 2014 10:47 geript wrote: So does this meanI've played 1 GM game before but could people confirm or deny that GM usually only allows players to do one thing per phase. I really think Oats partner did the unlynchable ish thing. I geript, believe oats to be mafia I geript, believe oats to be town I geript, believe oats to have a partner AND I geript, believe oats and partner are SCUMMDIDDLYUMPTIOUS I geript, believe oats and partner are buddy 3Ps | ||
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On April 12 2014 10:52 Dandel Ion wrote: That's a LOT of juice if it all came from oats and more oats (or oats and buddy).It's pretty clear where the counters for the last day came from.. Paperscraps is thinking pretty quickly about the counters though. At the very least, it's really likely he <3s himself some radiation. I think it's also decently likely that something he did adjusted the counters. | ||
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On April 12 2014 10:55 geript wrote: Your immediate comment to RobikAustin. I don't really get your point. Like I feel it's pretty obvious IMO that Oats is mafia and his teammate saved him. I remember Wave was 3P with VE maybe in chrono 2 and the could res each other I think, but normally players can't take more than one action per phase and iirc GM tends to follow that rule. So Oats teammate had to have saved him. I don't get how you don't see what I'm saying and how you don't come to this conclusion too. On April 12 2014 10:42 geript wrote: I can't see a non-town being immune to lynch always. Like that'd be really OP. was really odd. Robik doesn't say anything other than it's fucking dumb, and you drop that you can't see non-town being immune to lynch always. Nobody mentioned being immune to lynch always, and there's basically less than zero chance oats is town. But that post reads wrong, it reads like you're going "if oats can never be lynched, he's probably not scum. If he's mafia, we can lynch him tomorrow." In response to "fucking dumb." On April 12 2014 10:47 geript wrote: And here you say "oats' partner." Not "scumbuddy", not one of his teammates, just his partner. Scum don't have "partners", there's a team. Partner sounded like you meant 3P or something.I've played 1 GM game before but could people confirm or deny that GM usually only allows players to do one thing per phase. I really think Oats partner did the unlynchable ish thing. It's odd language, and odd ... thought processes imo. | ||
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"I am town, and those aren't the thought processes I have or the wording I use, and so I find those thought processes/wording to maybe suggest someone isn't town, so I want to question them and figure out what is up." | ||
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On April 12 2014 11:07 geript wrote: Why respond to robik with that?No it's pretty clear IMO. Like I highly doubt he's anything but mafia and this is a Greymist game. We've seen odd 3p powers on 3P before so I'm not ruling that out entirely. It's pretty obvious to me that whoever he's aligned with has helped him out. Plus, generally only town gets truly lynch proof status because that becomes super godawful for town on non-town entities. It's just a simple thought process. Like I really don't see where this push is coming from. Why "partner"? | ||
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On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote: Can anyone who spoke with killing confirm this? I'm interested both in who he told about what would happen to LSB and his decision making process in choosing to target LSB, why he went with LSB over others.My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. | ||
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On April 12 2014 11:23 IAmRobik wrote: Did he say why he was targeting LSB?Can confirm he told me that. He said it's a roleblock that delays action for several phases. Not sure if it will still happen given that he (lsb) died, but yah | ||
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On April 12 2014 11:25 geript wrote: Language, mister.Because Robik hasn't played in or read a GM afaik and afaik hasn't played a lot of forum mafia to see how things are usually balanced. Partner because it's fucking obvious to me that he couldn't use 2 powers on the same day phase because that's fucking frowned upon and I don't think GM would let people do that in his game. So therefore he has to have at least one teammate or partner to use said power to fucking help him kill my Wubby or to help him not get lynched. Like how is this not fucking obvious to you in what I'm fucking saying? Right now I'm having a really hard time thinking that any of your pushes make any fucking sense because you've picked on things that are completely non-alignment indicative(killings role, my phrasing) while avoiding everything else. It's really hard for me to imagine that a solid player like you is this fucking dense the whole game. If this is true, you interpreted Robik's statement in a way that is funky to me, much different than my own interpretation ("this is fucking dumb" = wtf we just wasted a whole cycle on oats without doing a bunch, and now he's just lynch immune at the end and we no lynch? Bollocks") And "partner" IS STILL JUST WEIRD. YEAH WE KNOW THAT SCUM HAS MULTIPLE PEOPLE BUT WHO SAYS PARTNER. YOU DO. YOU NEED SOME ABBA IN YOUR LIFE. | ||
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On April 12 2014 11:25 Killing wrote: What made you so sure on LSB that you targeted him over others?I spoke with DI, Rob and Paper. I think DI knew | ||
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On April 12 2014 02:03 Killing wrote: He's probably town and saruman is the evil wizard I should be looking for. | ||
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Those that spoke with killing, I guess especially Rob, you're comfortable with the timing and the change in thought between these posts? On April 08 2014 05:32 Killing wrote: If people have the same win cond as me, I want to work with them. If they don't, then I want to lynch them. I'm pretty good with that list except: 1. I'm not town on austin but I don't have the info that you claim to have. 2. I'm not town on snb, I don't really have a good read on him. I can't even recall a lot of what he has said, hasn't really stuck out. 3. Same with WoS but I'm leaning town on him. 4. I'm not town on HF but the going full crazy over blue green reads townie to me imo. If I was mafia, I wouldn't argue about color for 3 pages. 5. Paperscraps could be colored as green. I've probably spoken to him the most during the pm phase. Rest is coool On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote: ##But the Future Refused to change: LSB | ||
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On April 12 2014 11:58 geript wrote: Because you have 2 posts on why killing is/might be mafia, and one is heavily based on video mafia stuff, which I can't confirm/deny/credit. You also seem to fully disagree with my reasons for suspecting killing, when I find my reasons to be the sexiest. Don't care. If you're town and have suspected killing off and on for a while, why haven't you built on or analyzed my various points on Killing? I SPECIFICALLY find them sexy because kushm4sta JUST used the "he's doing something scummy but scum wouldn't do scummy stuff so he's town" line as scum in Doctor Who 2. I dunno. His reads popping in/out i like. video mafia stuff i can do nothing with. And if he flips scum, it looks good for you I think, finding him scummy from a different angle than I do. It's odd for you to be creeped out by me for that reason, because USUALLY it's good when multiple people are finding someone scummy, and for varied reasons. I've also continued poking around a bit. His comment about oats being town earlier today was FUNKY, and i noted that, but never got an answer. The LSB stuff also popped out to me on reading him over again. Blah blah blah your points smell my points rule long live ABBA. | ||
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On April 12 2014 12:15 IAmRobik wrote: kk. You're cool with the amount of conversation resulting in that change of mind?our conversation occurred between those two times Just trying to follow the town --> use power on him progression within that period of time. | ||
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On April 12 2014 12:22 IAmRobik wrote: Okay. I know the feeling, it's about what made me ask koshi to shoot him over killing (the other option du nuit). He tends to look scummy for DOING stuff that can be scummy, and here he was doing jack and had that weird syllo vote.I mean. I had originally forgotten about LSB cause he prolly posted like 5 fucking times, but then I went over the player list and was like "holy fuck...HIMHIMHIMHIMHIMHIM." Maybe Joey felt the same way. I can't really speak on his behalf JUST RUSTLIN' MYSELF UP SOME ODDITIES. | ||
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On April 12 2014 12:53 IAmRobik wrote: This is the hubris of the young. The words of the generation of Ace of Base.Austin. I don't need ABBA. Remember? I'm an unkillable medic lol Those swedes are not the true swedes. The green glow is a false glow, and only the light of ABBA will bring the truth. | ||
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On April 13 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote: Oats if mafia and dicking around. We are partially getting caught up in it, and should probably quit interacting with him.I'm so lost at this point in the game. I have 0 clue what's going on I forgot about BH's counter changing, hopeless didn't see snb's post, we're missing stuff NOW and not reading over stuff in the past by just dicking around with oats. Oats has rejected the ABBA. Shun the nonbeliever. SHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. | ||
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If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. | ||
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On April 13 2014 03:58 Dandel Ion wrote: (Right but I'm still working on figuring out Geript. He's not the most likely scum out of the non-oats, I still dislike Killing more, and geript has some townie stuff going for him. But his response to Robik still reads funky to me, and talking about how someone else would have used that on oats yesterday continued to eat at me, and this is one reason why. He's just...making these statements and coming to conclusions that I don't <3, that I don't understand, but they lack that SCUMMY reasoning behind them. Like, who cares who used oats-is-lynchable juice, it doesn't matter if it's oats or something else, and geript doesn't seem to be trying to SAVE oats at all by saying someone else did something to him, so there's no reason for scum to type that odd conclusion in thread, but it bugs me and bugs me so poke poke)because oats has the pardon, oats' buddy has the janitor oats wants to sell as his own power. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:03 justanothertownie wrote: You hear the ABBA, but you clearly do not read with the blue eyes of the swedes.If scum used that on a townie oats... Why did oats say he could not be lynched? I'm not suggesting oats is townie or town. I'm trying to understand what geript is thinking when he posts these: On April 12 2014 10:47 geript wrote: I've played 1 GM game before but could people confirm or deny that GM usually only allows players to do one thing per phase. I really think Oats partner did the unlynchable ish thing. On April 12 2014 10:55 geript wrote: Austin. I don't really get your point. Like I feel it's pretty obvious IMO that Oats is mafia and his teammate saved him. I remember Wave was 3P with VE maybe in chrono 2 and the could res each other I think, but normally players can't take more than one action per phase and iirc GM tends to follow that rule. So Oats teammate had to have saved him. I don't get how you don't see what I'm saying and how you don't come to this conclusion too. | ||
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My only real question I guess is that you seem concerned with JAT throughout your filter, but not with Amiko much. I can understand "makes sense that there could be another survivor", but ... you didn't question his claim at all because of that? Or question just general play / claimed item abilities / comment about not being sure about committing himself to ABBA. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:26 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay you real.amiko claimed survivor (believable to me) with a role that doesn't do shit for a survivor (in line with mine and thus believable to me)* and has, as far as I know, not killed anybody yet. On the other hand we have a guy that killed keir and wants to kill 1-2 more townies *ignoring the bulletproof fakeclaim he did If I were a survivor and someone else claimed survivor with some item-y shits, I would immediate distrust them and think they were lying about wincon or faction, like 95%. Heck, I'd think they were lying even if I weren't a survivor. I don't understand "oh yeah, their role doesn't do shit for a survivor ---> therefore, they're a survivor," but I don't think you type that if you're not being honest here. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:29 strongandbig wrote: My b then, but I think the point behind my question is still there. Why does scum save oats over doing nearly anything else.my thing doesnt say that oats only has one-shot abilities. I just get to know the number of one-shot abilities that he has. He could have other abilities that are not one-shot. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:29 geript wrote: I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members.KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing. Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:38 geript wrote: Because it's interesting to me and whatnot, and trying to understand your thought processes helps me figure out how your brain is working and what angle you're coming from.I don't think mafia is in a position to make that play. Like oats is super fucking scum. Maybe there are long 5 scum and 2 left. Like that's my point in calling this exercise worthless. I have specific thoughts and expectations of how the game is. But it isn't like we can realistically prove any of that. Like why in the fuck would a good player like you waste time on this? | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:40 geript wrote: My thoughts are known. If this is a scum ability that says "target bro can't be lynched", then I think (1) it can't be infinite and (2) they don't use it on oats. I continue to work in a world in which Oats has a one-shot ability to keep himself from getting lynched (again, multi-use is ... unlikely).Doubt it. Why not just say what you're thinking because like I don't see any reason for you to be poking here. I feel like you're just wasting my time because you have your own theory/knowledge/pinky swear/whatever. You thought about past games, about actions per cycle, and why you think someone else did this. But it doesn't seem like you thought "why would they do this with oats", and I'm trying to figure out if you didn't think that through, if you believe something different from me, or if it looks like you're just making crap up for unknown reasons. | ||
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On April 13 2014 04:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Green: (Which is again what I think and I'm trying to understand why Geript thinks that oats does NOT do the lynchproof bit, someone else does)Or Oats had the lynchproof so if he doesn't use it on himself it's wasted. Or it depends on chaos/radiation Or or or it's like you're wasting time on purpose. Blue: Possible, but chaos has been 1 and > 1, so this would be a radiation thing only. Possible. No color: It may be "like" that, but it ain't. | ||
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On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote: VA a solid scum suspect.What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much. Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't. LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing. | ||
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On April 13 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Not anything solid right now. Seems like some people interact with radiation in different ways, chaos feels more likely to me (as a means of balancing other stuff though --> scum can do something nasty but chaos goes down, town can do something good but chaos goes up). It's not anything firm to go on though.I just had a random thought: People who have the ability to decrease chaos/radiation might be more likely to be scum than town. Maybe whoever used the decrease of chaos/radiation or whatever the fuck decreased after oats wasn't lynched, maybe that has something to do with the counter decreasing. Like, mafia used a pro mafia ability and chaos decreased. Town uses abilities (as described in BH's role and poofter's role) and chaos/radiation goes up. Thoughts? (But it would totally implicate killing, and I mentioned this previously that I "oh yeah just erase chaos" feels like...a lie, and in a not-townie way, because town wouldn't get "decrease chaos AND DO x" because the former is already super sexy for town). I believe, however, that chaos is now 0 because we hit 3 or more, triggering the event thing. | ||
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On April 13 2014 05:17 geript wrote: (Me reading doesn't answer snb's question)Or you could just read the reasoning I gave for why it would be highly unlikely that Scraps is town. Like it's not just the 3/4 thing it's that they were on that wagon with 10 hours left in the day. Considering their preponderance not to bus, that's really weird for them to bus a teammate there when it's quite possible that another wagon doesn't form. | ||
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On April 13 2014 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote: Por que?Such shenanigans going on. I would say to protect dandel. | ||
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I think people who haven't done things that are provable need to be questioned/suspected/copped, because we KNOW that someone used an anti-BH power, someone used a prince of darkness equivalent. I'm not talking "Dude A says he did x," but actual things that we can PROVE occurred, and were claimed without counterclaim, or things that we can HEAVILY INFER occurred (a medic who claimed to protect a key target on a night where no kills occurred, perhaps). Also, we've seen plenty of people with more than one ability, so only people with proven abilities who have used them in particular town-favored manners are "safe". Therefore, I would focus any checks, roleblocks, power steals, whatever we have, into like....VA/hopeless/killing but probably not amiko (very specific early claim). The more we learn about this group, the better. I think medics MAY want to consider claiming towards the end of this cycle or next, or someone else claim the assigned protect targets FOR the medics. We've seen lack of KP before, and we don't know whether that's a tradeoff for the prince of darkness thing (scum can skip D3 but not have factional KP N3? We saw no kills N3), or whether medics got saved. If someone on the fence was a save, it would be good to know so that we can strike someone off the lists of those of us who don't know everything that's gone on. Again, great if non-medics can claim targets for the medics and we can confirm, but at some point we may just want those claims. IF town is short on items now and scum has picked up a couple from kills, may be worth getting amiko to randomize. Item randomization is bad for town UNLESS scum hold most of the items, then it's more likely to dick over scum plans. If it just swaps items 1-1 between people who currently have items, this is ... not as relevant (too lazy to check back for that he said the thing does). It would also, at the very least, confirm part of amiko's story and can be used in a town-favored manner so long as town is at the item disadvantage. Minor crap about people on that list: Killing - I have plenty of reasons in the thread VA - I normally find VA scummy when we're both town because he's always pushing targets I dislike, or pushing in a manner I dislike. Here he's just...not. Even during super quiet cycles, he's absent. If he's absent here and absent elsewhere, it's off from what I know of town VA. ***I HAVE NOT PLAYED WITH SCUM VA***. I would EXPECT VA to be a little more pushy and have a little more presence, and he feels like a good target for check actions / steal actions / pokity poking. Hopeless - May have done something confirmable or town circley, I dunno. But he's not on my super happy list, and out of the leftover people (I come down to a questionable people list of Oats, ve, amiko, hopeless, killing, va, geript-ish), he's someone that's just gotten little attention and I dunno what he does and I dunno what he's done post-wise and push-wise and read-wise. If I'm around tomorrow, poke at me to poke at hopeless, and also poke at hopeless yourselves. The whole not reading the thread bits (not seeing snb's post about oat's powers, not seeing DI's claim) isn't great. Anyway, praise be unto ABBA and may ABBA protect us from the NKs. Reject the radiation; embrace the melodies. If I die and flip and it creates any confusion, hopefully someone else will be able to clear things up. If not, I *am* partially responsible for the shot on LSB, via Koshi, but my PM won't reveal everything. | ||
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On April 13 2014 07:29 strongandbig wrote: The post made it sound like something UNDID the resurrection.How could blazinghand die? He was removed from the game and untargetable by anything And robick protect me palmar or maybe hopeless imo Either via scum now having that item, or someone having an item reversal power (possible cough cough towards amiko), or someone having another timeline affecting/power use nullifying ability. | ||
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On April 13 2014 07:33 strongandbig wrote: Notes I just wrote say:Austin what about ve? He's pretty high on my scum list atm what is your opinion. VE doing nothing but...I don't think scum VE announces that he disobeyed expectations and did not check Oats. Did he claim another check? Look into that. SCUM PROBABLY DON'T GO "LOL I MISSED A CHECK" AND "LOL I DIDN'T CHECK OATS AND DIDN'T KNOW I SHOUD HAVE LOL" VE has been doing little, but ... unlikely he just lies as scum, unlikely that he claims THIS role as scum (I think, "finds out when people dead + role/alignment cop + takes ability from one person and gives it to another" is ... not a fake claim and not whatever THIS IS DUMB I JUST DON'T LIKE VE FOR MAFIA) he's possible, but I think less likely than others? Assorted random thoughts - I PMed him and got one reply, didn't really engage beyond that. He said he checked Djo N1 under the assumption that VA would die D2/get pushed, and then he'd know the alignments of everyone in his QT. That's why I asked him a question about why check Palmar over VA, he'd basically indicated that priority #1 for him was to figure out his QT's alignments. He responded decently fast to my quesiton and seemed to either know what I was asking or have a legit reason, which is fine, but scum VE might not have remembered a single PM from D2 about why he checked VA, so that's minor minor town points. Overall, for VE, it MOSTLY comes down to the fact that he's been mislynched a couple times recently, for being un-VE-like or doing less than people think VE should do. I don't think some kind of power swap + rolecop is a bad scum ability, could very well be scum, could very well be town. If we don't have a lot of DTs townside, makes it SLIGHTLY more likely he's town, given that I would EXPECT town to have a DT or two in a big themed game like this? Overall, he got cut on my last pare down or second to last pare down, mainly because of those two first paragraphs. I dunno about scum VE going "YOU TOLD ME TO CHECK OATS AND I DIDN'T" when he could claim he was interfered with, oats came back town but has NASTY POWERS, or something like that. All in all, it's not my strongest townread, but there's just random crap there that make me think he's more likely to be town than a decently large list of other folks. | ||
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On April 13 2014 07:34 strongandbig wrote: I don't believe BH was targeted.The way bh's power was phrased I'm pretty sure even his past actions should be untargetable, but obviously my interpretation of his power was off. To me, I think the item that was used to rez BH, or the power that was used to raise BH, was targeted. Foolishness is NOT entering the game again, it's as if BH was never rezzed and never did anything. That FEELS to me more like a targeting of the item or the power, undoing it or reversing it, than it does something directed at BH himself (it's not BH's revival of Foolishness that was blocked, it's BH existing again that was blocked somehow) | ||
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On April 14 2014 21:46 sandroba wrote: No. Gun doesn't unbreak. Town knowing that better than WIFOMing scum and saying maybe or whatever, but I cannot.@palmar yeah Im starting to feel that way too. I dont know if we can afford to lynch jat or amiko. We definetely need to start shooting people at night too. @austin can you still shoot people? @jat If you kill me do you leave the game? On April 14 2014 23:36 strongandbig wrote: Oats gets almost lynched yesterday, saved only by action. Oats has N3 and D4 to do stuff. Oats does _______. Oats isn't town.I'm just worried that we can't afford to waste a lynch on oatsmaster. Unlike VE, at least oats has presented a somewhat coherent explanation of a world in which his actions make sense... Whereas VE has had four nights and delivered zero useful checks and not been shot as the only claimed full detective. On April 13 2014 07:50 strongandbig wrote: Back, wanted to chat about this.snb, you asked this, and looking back at poofter I dunno. As far as (1), the reason is ye olde "because he looks like ass and they'd rather shoot vocal townies/circle townies". Also, since everyone is powered this game, it's not the normal calculus of shooting a cop or Some Townie, but it's a cop vs Vocal Townie Who Does Something. Not great reasons, but that's what fits.1. If he's town how do scum not kill the claimed dt? I sincerely doubt VE has been protected. 2. I don't agree that he wouldn't have openly said he didn't check oatsmaster, if there's a leak he could have known that I would make his n2 check unstoppable so the only way out of checking oats was to claim "oops I forgot" 3. We did already have at least one dead town cop I had to re-check poofter, knew he was a cop but I thought he had more restrictions than he did. Each night, you may either Alignment check a player who ended any previous day voting you, or use “Borderline Ethical” methods and alignment check any player, but add 1 point to the chaos and radiation counters. That points towards VE NOT being alignment and rolecoppy, as plain old alignment DT was balanced by either having limited targets OR adding counters, whereas VE has claimed alignment + role check, with an alternative ability to transfer a role for a day or night or whatever.Given another lack of info night...I can come around on him. The claiming not to have seen "check oats" is still a point in his favor, imo, but nothing else really is when I look back at poofter's cop role. The LSB stuff is...meh. He mentions him a bunch, but never really says WHY LSB is scummy. This is IT for why LSB is scummy, everything else is just coloring his name red and asking people about him, except he never says more about LSB and he never tries to get votes on him or anything: On April 03 2014 12:31 VisceraEyes wrote: (i.e. button discussion = scum, and then asking people later to comment on his points on LSB, which is nothing but "button discussion = scum")I don't think it's important. I've made my stance clear, and I'm trying to find scum instead. Or rather, I've started by trying to find town, which will help me narrow down where I think I should look for scum. However your suggestion that it's important to discuss whether pushing the button is good or bad, again, leads me to believe that you're not so much interested in finding scum. LSB captured!! He DOES vote iamp and call out iamp, slightly, but he's townie townie townie on iamp, and then swaps based on Foolishness's case, when a lot of people didn't like it/didn't like foolishness. It's...minor stuff slightly in his favor, but he's not really making any points on scum or pushing them legitimately, he just kinda colors them red when he feels like it, and I think he's making a little much of that. | ||
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On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote: [green]Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices: Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched. | ||
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On April 13 2014 10:01 Acrofales wrote: Just to confirm, the option that WINS the vote today, has the most votes, whatever, is the option that will be in place tomorrow?Today you have an extra vote for one of two choices: Tomorrows lynch will be decided by an elected mayor, OR Tomorrow’s voted player will have their role name and alignment announced in the thread, instead of being lynched. | ||
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On April 15 2014 03:08 strongandbig wrote: If he were, he would have said that way way way way earlier yesterday and probably not shot townies without KNOWING that he would meet some win condition in doing so (if his condition was super assassin-y, you have 1 trap, you have to trap x wizard, then I could see him doing what he did, but he would have flipped out more about WoS's role as now he's essentially stranded)oats obviously isnt town. im worried about if hes telling the truth about being 3p (any other 3P wincon wouldn't have done that crap) | ||
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I don't see that it's crazy clear-cut for mayoral lynch, in some ways getting 100% of someone's role would be nice, it delays a lynch 1 day but it lets us not mislynch if we're wrong on someone. But we probably use it to check a 3P claim? And that's not a great use of a day, even if scum is down to 1 NK after today's lynch. | ||
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"why does scum syllo say amiko visited kita N1?" should be on that list. I still cannot figure out why he'd try to finger someone who, if truthful, is 3P, for the kita kill that early in the game. I don't think "was going to go to mars momentarily" is a good answer for that, he'd rather just get a townie killed mebbe. So in the back back back of my head is that syllo was getting a little heat, amiko IS mafia, and syllo wants the cred after the D2 lynch? That seems slightly ridiculous to just hard-bus someone at the very very start of a day though, when you don't know WHO the lynch options are and how townie you'll look in 48 or more hours. It's like a drazerk plan, and not a real people option for D2. | ||
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That brings us to: Prince of Darkness Blazinghand unrevived Oats being unlynchable (still think this will be on oats when he flips) Protect on oats last night Along with assorted small counter movements that we can't account for as of yet. | ||
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On April 15 2014 03:43 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah but there's no...tricksy business, right? The option that has the MOST votes will be the thing we do tomorrow?The mayoral or role and alignment reveal vote will determine what tomorrow's lynch will be. | ||
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You may be thinking that not even the power of ABBA can overcome the mire this game is currently kind of in. But you are wrong. For 37 years ago, on this very day, Dancing Queen was the #1 song in America. Yessssssssssssssssssss. Just like the moon, the power of ABBA waxes and wanes. And every 37 years from the time they had a #1 hit, they're...probably powerful. Feel the warmth of ABBA. Listen to Dancing Queen. Yum. | ||
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On April 15 2014 07:21 Palmar wrote: Yes. ~2.5hIs deadline tonight? | ||
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There might be a few items in the game. It is up to you to search for them! Items can change hands in the following ways: and I wasn't thinking about it until just now.1. The holder is killed. The killer will then take the item(s) from the previous holder’s dead body. In the event that two people both killed the holder, The item will be randomly assigned to one of the killers. I know that at least one dead townie had an item when he became less-than-alive. It's likely some of the others had items as well. If you got or Amiko has ever gotten or whatever any of the items that were yoinked from townies, then we can track down who killed em. | ||
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Given the conquest picture gumshoe flipped with, it's POSSIBLE the ipecac is relevant to horsemen as part of an isaac subtheme, but since you don't seem interested in it that's unlikely. Unless someone out there is isaac, which is pastable. | ||
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Scum killed the townies who hold them. Scum have those items. So...we could kinda use knowing who has stuff, and Amiko it would be good to know who you've yoinked from during nights, what items you've gotten, and whether we can direct you at a specific target this night phase. | ||
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At the very least, assuming those were all the items amiko had, it makes it slightly less likely that amiko is mafia, in the sense that he didn't carry out a kill on certain people. Ain't much, but it's a tiny thing. | ||
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On April 16 2014 04:43 VisceraEyes wrote: He doesn't stand alone.SnB your resistance to read me as town is really starting to annoy me. You stand ALONE my friend, and you're WRONG to boot. If you weren't you, you'd be worried about you. You call LSB mafia, yes, because he wanted to discuss whether to push the button or not. That's IT. Nothing else. You didn't point out scummy play of his, connect him to anything, track him at night, anything that makes you look particularly town. You quoted a stupid post of his, said he was mafia, and that was it. You ask people to look at him, and at your posts on him, but you didn't really post anything about him. And you don't ever mention him again. He's not a vote for you. He's not someone you push D2, you weren't so suspicious of him that you check him N1 with your DT powers that you might have. You just leave him be after calling him mafia for something silly. You go straight from iamp town --> iamp maybe not town (after reading foolishness's post on iamp and rereading iamp) --> calling foolishness kinda questionable (you decided to stop half-defending him and agreed with a post of marv's that was negative of foolishness) --> saying iamp was the best lynch with no reasoning whatsoever behind that statement. You have a night where you were asked to check oats but didn't, and a night where you could/should have checked oats, but didn't check ANYONE. With oats flipping scum, and oats flipping with a role that essentially prevented 1-2 lynches, but wouldn't have if we'd known his role...that doesn't look particularly good. You never mention syllo, ever. On D2, you say iamp is the best lynch and you never ONCE mention syllo or amiko. In fact, in your entire filter, syllo comes up 0 times, amiko comes up 0 times, poofter comes up 0 times except for asking whether he's a DT of some stripe. For someone who claims DT, you were utterly uninterested in DT stuff going on D2. So I dunno how people are supposed to be not worried about you. You don't PUSH LSB, and while you call him scum, your reasons, to me, are MOSTLY nonexistent. You call iamp town, then questionable, but then question the townieness of the guy who accused iamp of being scum and kinda changed your mind, and then call him the best lynch D2 for no particular reason while ignoring everything else going on. How are people supposed to be particularly townie on you? | ||
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On April 16 2014 05:47 Killing wrote: Why is disabling it a good thing?1. We've outnumbered mafia every night 2. We've killed a lot of mafia already 3. We have "3p" that want to town side that I don't trust with night actions. 4. Disabling the device allows all the towns that have been guarding to use their roles from now on. There's no reason to keep guarding it instead of trying to disable it. | ||
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On April 16 2014 06:27 Killing wrote: And chaos getting to 3 gives town "a difficult choice" usually, including...a mayoral election which seems solid.The flavor suggests something bad happens because catastrophe is bolded in red. I don't like bad things. If you make me explain why I think big bold red letters is bad, I'm gonna shoot myself. And greymist is never a jerkface who messes with everyone. Mainly though, I think we get information each night the device is around and protected. People who protected it super early smell slightly townier, people who protect it night after night are NOT doing random stuff that MIGHT screw us over. I like forcing protects to slightly lessen any nonsense that can happen, and maybe force scum to occasionally guard in order not to be the only person never guarding. | ||
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You're all welcome. May ABBA guide us through the night. | ||
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Sexy sexy. Thanks muchly for not throwing, and grats 2/3 of 3Ps for achieving wincons? Big thanks to Grey, Acro, Crossfire, LoneMeow, game ran pretty smoothly except for you guys letting people kill my cult members and breaking my gun and whatnot. On April 22 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno what it is with me being stuck in QTs by myself. Dr Who PTP I ended up spamming it with nonsense, Dr Who 2 I got converted to scum and was final remaining scum just chatting with hosts in scum QT, and now here I FRIGGING TRY TO ADD TOWNIES TO MY CULT AND SPREAD THE WORD OF ABBA AND FOLKS KEEP KILLING MY TOWNIES AND BREAKING MAH DANG GUNS. I just like to stay amused, and was hoping that eventually I'd add someone. Robik got killed the night I added him, but glad that I posted a bunch of crap so geript had most of my thoughts. Man, I love me some QTs and especially solo QTs that I can just gonzaw it up in.Austin I love that half of your QT is you talking to yourself. YOU CAN STILL JOIN THE CULT OF ABBA. WE HAVE A 100% WIN RECORD. | ||
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On April 22 2014 21:47 syllogism wrote: I think part of this is that things just slowed down like crazy post day-1. Between PMs and general inactivity, the game just turned into lynching into a smaller and smaller list, without it feeling like anyone was proposing anything else.Most themed games yes, I do that too, but I think hosts should give the subject more serious thought. Hopeless, Palmar, you, koshi, WoS and some others were essentially innocent children due to their roles and someone like JAT could almost never be mafia because his claim was too perfect (there really were insane people). The game was very light on analysis after day 1. As far as roles, oats was killed for his role because of how he USED it, and for fakeclaiming something that couldn't have happened. VE wasn't killed for role, sandro wasn't killed for role, we didn't shoot LSB for role, iamp didn't get lynched for role, etc. I think there were less confirmed townies than you think, Palmar did jack all except complain about having to lynch 3Ps for days, there was no reason for people to super think that merchants had to be town, ... I just think there was less town sentiment than you think. Even if JAT seemed like an IC to you because of his role, it's pretty clear that townies didn't share that thought. I know you were already deceased, but the last couple cycles were SOMEWHAT "every looks kinda scummy, let's just lynch some folks." Apart from SnB, most everyone was suspected by some non-scummers, there was just no oomph in scum to try and shift lynches much. Going into the night I was killed, I wouldn't have been surprised at all with VE, VA, Killing, JAT, or sandro scum. | ||
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On April 22 2014 22:07 Koshi wrote: ABBA forgives you, hand.I am very aware I trolled the entire D1/D2 | ||
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You didn't jump on board the ABBA train, therefore you had to be lynched with righteous ABBAfire. By not praising ABBA, you claimed anti-ABBA, which is worse than anti-town. I'm happy to take the middle ground and say I'm not entirely sure that I would have lynched you if I'd been alive and mayor. Would have depended on how the day went or how QT progressed with Geript and our reads. However, other folks do have the right of it when they say that surviving til D6 isn't indicative of much. Your wincon was for SCUM to win, not VE not to get lynched, and I don't think the timing on your lynch or suspicions of you is worth oodles. I can understand the whole hoping for scum win while not KNOWING who all was scum being a bit difficult though, and I don't think the rest of us fully see how that can warp game play --> how can you try to help scumbuddies when you ain't know who they be bein'. | ||
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A VE who doesn't devote himself to the service of ABBA is a hung horse. And not in the penis way. The ropeneck way. After typing that, I'm surprised that we were ALL mature enough to not put any kind of horse/hung joke in the thread or QT. | ||
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A couple years back I had "Take a Chance on Me" stuck in my head off and on for about 2 weeks. I'm surprised my roommates never murdered me in my sleep. | ||
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I actually really like the idea of stuff like "revives the first name alphabetically." Creates that interplay where you can kill someone who comes before Blazinghand, really limits the power of the item, or at least might have before BH flipped. For all the town-favored power roles and whatnot, there was a dude who could undo things that had already happened and who was in the game TWICE without his ability ever going off. What was probably town's most versatile role never doing nasty thangs to scum. I also think LSB's role balances out a lot of concerns in a way. Whatever is the thing scum was MOST afraid of, LSB can essentially be used to counteract that, or to get some kind of scum-favored outcome from a situation they normally fear. "All inventions have the opposite effect", and extra Prince of Darkness power, no flips for a bit, anyone who dies town and comes back to life is now scum, etc. etc. Given the way Grey was going to resolve this power you didn't know if it'd work or not, but I think there are a LOT of wishes that are both pro-scum AND anti-town at the same time, really screw with expectations for how a game works while also doing something else good for scum. | ||
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