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On March 29 2014 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4.Tehpoofter - new, cool On March 29 2014 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: 16. Amiko - new  | ||
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Dreams of Button The important thing about the button to me is that it takes a night action to interact with it; this implies to me that many players have night actions so there is a tradeoff for button interaction. If players don't have night actions, I think they should usually guard the button since it grants more information. Regardless of whether we think it's better to push or deactivate the button, I think it might be good to have a rotation of two or more people per night who promise to guard the button and report the following day what they saw. May give reads if their stories don't match up, but also prevents pressing/disabling the button. I don't have a firm idea of how this would work yet, but if it sounds like something to try then talk with me about it and we can work on the button defense draft. Game so far @WaveofShadow: I'd think I would like a gift if you have some left. There aren't any terrible consequences, are there? I'm… allergic to those. Is it better to give or to receive? Re: Balla - I took Balla’s suggestion for random voting to be a joke, but he sort of spends four posts addressing it. I don’t think it took as long as Dandel’s post, but when I read gumshoe’s post here (link) criticizing time spent without information gained it rang a little true for Balla as well. Killing (& strongandbig) I didn’t get the gutread when I first read it, but when I read strongandbig’s post here (link) it resonated. zzz | ||
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On Balla Responding to (link) Balla posting a random vote suggestion should not be taken as a serious suggestion, it just doesn’t match my view of his style at all. I could believe he wanted to develop reads from the post. I am a little surprised that Balla rejoined the thread later just for this post, though (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=46#915) since people have been serious about the game. It just feels out of place. @tehpoofter: I know you are calling Balla a girl in those that post and I remember rereading another game where you did the same thing. Would you share your reasons for pretending to misunderstand his gender? Did it give you any reads or useful information in the other game? On LSB On April 03 2014 17:29 Tehpoofter wrote: LSB has talked almost entirely about the button and nothing more. Not really sure how much that speaks to his alignment but he is really interested in it it seems not sure if its just flavor To me its all null at this point leaning slightly scummy as it could be a roll hunt type thing associated with the button. I see this as null. Would you explain why you see role hunting regarding button as a slightly scummy move? It seems to me that button-related roles could be scummy as easily as they could be towny. Response to WaveofShadow re: my first post[/u] @WaveofShadow: You say that I commented on the most useless things in the game. However, I commented on kiling’s post, agreeing with strongandbig. Why do you think that is useless, particularly given that you asked about the post here? On April 03 2014 09:54 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut Am I the only one who liked Dandel's post? Do you feel like Palmar’s later post here is also useless (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=41#811)? As for me, I’m new to forum mafia, I have played some real life games before. This is my only completed game on this site, it is relatively short if you care to read it. @WaveofShadow: Would you comment on my first post regarding the button? You said it was useless to discuss those topics; if you think that is the case, please explain to me why. @ marvellosity Re: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#701 I read the post while I was in the bath :3 Re: Robik On April 03 2014 19:57 IAmRobik wrote: For the record: I don't think that I can be night killed, so mislynching me is THE ONLY way that I'm going to die this game. Robik states that he is immune to nightkills. I read this as claim he is a 3rd party role because town would want to stay unclaimed to soak mafia KP. He could be 3rd party, he could be scum, but I don’t feel he is town. @marvellosity You called Robik town. Do you think town robik would claim to be immune to nightkills? @marvellosity: On April 04 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I concede to the first sentence. I think you are the only person who can reasonably tell me they are better than me. You should save this post too. @Foolishness: unsubscribe -- So moving forward- Re: Paperscraps I do not believe there is an item that requires Paperscraps write backwards. Robik mentions that it would be a pain on Daniel (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#704］link[/url]), as does marvellosity (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=36#712］link[/url]), and that’s true. Syllogism correctly points out it is easy to automate reversing your posts (link). But, these comments miss the stronger reason I do not believe him: the burden on the hosts. Hosts who would have to read each and every post carefully to ensure it is properly reverse-formatted. So, I disbelieve Daniel/paperscraps and feel it’s scummy. ##Vote: Paperscraps | ||
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Hello in this thread! You indicate you like that I proposed a button guard plan. That's nice, but do you think the plan would be at all helpful for town? I think more people would have to guard it than I suggested but I still feel like it would be a good move to have some people semi-accountable to tell town who they saw visit the button. Also On April 04 2014 08:04 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, why no mass claim suggestion? Scum points for you. For context to other readers, raynpelikoneet encouraged a d1 massclaim in the Dr. Who game (game is ongoing). In that game, he felt that in a highly-roled game, massclaiming was beneficial to town, and later flipped blue. It seems to me that this game that would be more the case, because I felt massclaiming would be scarier in a game with conversion-mechanics and this game (probably) does not have them in game. | ||
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You mention you get bad but not scummy vibes from Robik. Can you comment on this: On April 04 2014 08:01 Amiko wrote: Re: Robik Robik states that he is immune to nightkills. I read this as claim he is a 3rd party role because town would want to stay unclaimed to soak mafia KP. He could be 3rd party, he could be scum, but I don’t feel he is town. I asked marv, let me ask you too- @kitaman27: Do you think town robik would claim to be immune to nightkills? | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:01 Amiko wrote: Re: Paperscraps I do not believe there is an item that requires Paperscraps write backwards. Robik mentions that it would be a pain on Daniel (link), as does marvellosity (link), and that’s true. Syllogism correctly points out it is easy to automate reversing your posts (link). But, these comments miss the stronger reason I do not believe him: the burden on the hosts. Hosts who would have to read each and every post carefully to ensure it is properly reverse-formatted. So, I disbelieve Daniel/paperscraps and feel it’s scummy. ##Vote: Paperscraps It's not a case but I think it's a fair reason to disbelieve his reverse-curse writing. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:24 kitaman27 wrote: I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on this one. I'm immune to nightkills too! Are you also scum/3rd party? :3 | ||
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Hey you are in thread! Thoughts on paperscraps? Specifically, (a) do you think he is lying about his writing restriction, (b) if he is lying is it more likely he is lying as town or scum? | ||
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?about dishonest being is Blazinghand think you do What :@Paperscraps ?so do to willing be you would wording your reversing stop to this like you ask I If :@Paperscraps | ||
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I'll try to focus on other players. I don't feel talking about the button is fluff. I guess it became fluff since people haven't really engaged with my idea in a meaningful way, so I'll drop it with just one other comment: @WaveofShadow On April 04 2014 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Re: button---absolutely no reason to talk about after the 'fluff' stage. It was pregame and there is no indication there is even any button IN this game. Wat? The setup posts talk about "the device" - it seems to me it is in the game. Anyway, I'm willing to stop pushing the conversation, but I'll gladly revisit it if anyone else wants to discuss it. --------------- --------------- Paperscraps I posted some comments about paperscraps earlier. I also like marv's point. Here's another thing which I think makes him a good lynch: First, paper is asking blazinghand to be more honest. On April 04 2014 08:41 Paperscraps wrote: .run long the in you help will It .though honest more be should You .dude cool pretty a like seem You .friends be should we ,Blazing Later, he seems to want to back off Blazinghand. On April 04 2014 10:46 Paperscraps wrote: .moment the at reprieve a warrant to Enough .genuine somewhat seemed me against attack his but ,forum a on "heated" or "mad" being fake to easier is it know I .now for BlazingHand off back all can We He could be just reading Blazing as a third party (encouraging him to reveal his goals) particularly given his intervening post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=79#1574). | ||
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@kitaman27 On April 04 2014 23:21 kitaman27 wrote: I take back my town read on Amiko. He has focused on two topics this game: paper's backwards writing and robik's immunity claim. When I point out that the self imposed post restriction is just as likely to be a town action, he doesn't attempt to convince me otherwise or really state his opinion of the matter at all, even though it is his only reason for the vote as far as I can tell. This comment feels disingenuous to me. You gave the following response to me regarding paperscraps- On April 04 2014 08:34 kitaman27 wrote: My guess is that he is faking it. He starts off the game with a normal post, which means non-role related and GreYMisT historically doesn't create a ton of those type of roles (if any?). Town players are just as likely to fake a restriction as mafia though. Maybe ask him nicely to stop? I considered what you said and it's why I posted On April 04 2014 08:45 Amiko wrote: ?about dishonest being is Blazinghand think you do What :@Paperscraps I asked paperscraps some questions so I could get some information and evaluate whether he was town or mafia. I think he's ignored me completely which doesn't make him any more towny in my eyes. Also, for what it's worth, I did also ask paperscraps to stop (nicely, in his own format) as you suggested, so I think it's incorrect to suggest I ignored your post. On April 04 2014 08:45 Amiko wrote: ?so do to willing be you would wording your reversing stop to this like you ask I If :@Paperscraps Also, I thought your comment that puts you in a similar boat to Robik was interesting, and I wanted to know if you were serious... but we can talk about that later. | ||
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I don't feel his play lines up much with his play in Newbie LIV. I observed that game and was pretty attentive. For one, he seemed reluctant to fake claim a role; that is one of the reasons I felt he was serious about being immune to nightkills. His aggression varies a lot from game to game. In my first newbie game I played with Robik and he was pretty pleasant, but I've seem him go aggro in other games. I still think he is most likely to be a 3rd party, potentially scum, so I wouldn't want to kill him. @IAmRobik let's win together? @tehpoofter: You argue toward voting Robik here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21119066 Did you have any comments on my perception that Robik is likely 3rd Party, potentially scum based on claiming to be immune to nightkills? I didn't know you were banks. I remember the name from video mafia... but I actually can't remember which player you are. LOL. @Palmar Do you have any reads on hopeless1der? | ||
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I feel Robik is unlikely to be town because he claimed to be immune to nightkills. If he is town, he should want mafia to target him to soak KP. I feel Robik's claim was not joking for a few reasons, but among them it's because I feel he is a player who is reluctant to fakeclaim. Another reason: it feels more believable since kita also claimed to be immune to nightkills. So, I feel he is 3p or scum, more likely 3p because I don't think scum would claim it so early. I don't see why town would claim it at all. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:00 LSB wrote: Why would they out themselves if they had a separate win condition from the town? Palmar seems to indicate that not all third parties are antitown I actually think 3p would be a good asset for town since the roles in this game seem weird (at least looking at my own, lol). I am glad to seek a jointwin. | ||
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On April 04 2014 23:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so I just read Amiko's filter. Its bad. Totally useless and superfluous question that leads to no good answer. And he just keeps asking people to consider that Paper is scum due to the clearly not role related reversing. I dont understand why he has such strong feelings that Paper is doing it outside of his role makes him scummy. He never ever explains, just states it as fact. He also mentions Balla a fair bit but never gives a read on him which is really odd. yeah so basically both BH and Amiko want to lynch paper for not great reasons, marv's reason is the only good one. Man if he was here this would be so much easier. Fuckkkkkk. @Oats: kitaman27 replicate his play in Dr. Who (ongoing) game and it was a focus of d1. Tehpoofter is in the same game, so I wanted to see if he was trying to make some deeper play. About balla I was going to make a read based on where he went, then he subbed out. I don't really think BlazingHand can address why Balla proposed a random vote and give any meaningful information so I didn't bother pursuing it. I think paperscraps is lying to town. Yes, town can lie to town. But, I think scum is more likely to lie to town. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:10 justanothertownie wrote: But why would scum/3rd party claim it? - Mafia deter shots from themselves via this claim from vigis/3p. So, vigis shooting are more likely to hit town. - 3p same thing; except they probably don't care who dies. (rayn's roleclaim suggested he needed some other 3p though) - 3p indicates their alignment to prepare to joint win By the way, pretty much everything I am saying about Robik also applies to kitaman27 and generally, I think. | ||
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Nothing specific I can think of to say about robik/killing right now, sorry. | ||
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His posts feel random and he ignored the questions I asked him, so I think he's a good lynch if only because I feel he is lying and wasting time. I feel pretty comfortable thinking Robik and Kitaman are third party roles for reasons I've laid out. I'll try to read and respond to points made earlier, but since it takes a while to get through thread any direct questions would be great. | ||
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I can't deny there's a chance he's scum, but I think he's 3p. From how my role works, I think I have the best chance if town/3p works together. | ||
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I am immune to night kills (though I might be able to die at night... I'm not entirely sure). This is one of the reasons why I believed Robik's statement that he was immune, and similarly for kita's. I felt disclosing it was anti-town because if I kept quiet about it, I could potentially soak bullets. However, I think town loses much from me admitting this, because if I'm a lynch candidate I probably won't be night killed (at least by mafia). You can potentially confirm this part of my claim if there's a vigi. | ||
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On April 05 2014 08:37 justanothertownie wrote: The problem is confirming that part doesn't confirm your alignment and we would be wasting a shot. I suppose this is correct, but I do think it serves to confirm my intentions. If you look through filter, you can see that I focused on both Respond to my post. I'll give you till :Idon'tcare. If you think my reasons make sense, then say it. If you don't, say that. I'll respond to you after that. | ||
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@people in thread If I understand it, the main reason you are pushing on me is that I voted for paperscraps. Do you think the way that I voted for paperscraps reflects an intent to gather information or to push a lynch? | ||
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I'm 3p. I want to work with town. I feel like I hinted at my alignment pretty consistently and practically claimed it anyway when I said I have a power similar to Robik & kita, who I also feel are 3p. I think you could have used this push to get reads on some of the players pushing my lynch if you backed off the demand for an alignment claim and talked with each other. But, I guess I not in a position to criticize play in this game. | ||
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Maybe that's good in this case since I am not very invested in the game. | ||
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I'm not the lynch today, that much is obvious. But there are active players in thread and your only concern is my alignment when I'm not even the lynch today. It feels weak. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:58 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to remind the players that you may talk about what is in your role PM, but you may not directly quote it. Modified survivor. My night action can be learning if a player has an item and taking it, if possible. I have a one shot that disables all item use and swaps items among players (1 for 1). I can protect myself at night (and no one else). About the robik comment, I thought he was likely 3p and I figured he would notice that and assume I am also 3p from it, then send me something back to joint. But I don't blame him for giving it thread attention, it probably was a liability. | ||
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On April 05 2014 09:04 Keirathi wrote: The whole "Guarding the button" bit seemed genuine and like it maybe has something to do with his role? It was fluff. :3 But I do think it's dumb that no one is willing to talk about the device. | ||
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I don't think I have any incentive at all to use the 1-shot... ever. Maybe if you give me a bomb that will explode I will shuffle items  | ||
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I actually was intending to visit his item tonight to take the item because I don't believe it reverses text. Plus, if we all lynch paper, then the item will go to a random person who lynched him which I think would be hilarious. | ||
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I'm willing to engage with this thought even though it won't really help me win (or lose) because I think it is interesting. I think town benefits from sending a few guards to the device. We don't know what pressing the device does, we don't know what deactivating the device does. But guarding gives information on players' night actions. If you see someone visit the device, you know the player didn't take some other night action (like killing someone in game). | ||
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I could move my vote off of gumshoe but I'm your friend. | ||
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@Wave, I pointed this out before but what was that weird post about how the device might not exist? It's obviously in the game. If I didn't think you were such a generous person I might have tried to make a case but I thought it would be too funny if your items were deadly. | ||
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On April 05 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote: We should force amiko to use power so no shenanigans happen I don't mind using it, but, given that my power is kind of random, I feel using it may increase the chaos level. My role PM doesn't say that it will do so (it doesn't imply it, either), it's just something I thought may be the case. | ||
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I don't see scrambling & disabling items as likely to be beneficial to me, so I will probably either steal or protect unless I get given some item that will kill me, in which case I would then use power and hope it lands on mafia. You would have a better idea whether this power helps or hurts if you know how some items work. I kind of infer that if I die it will be through either item use, chaos, or radiation. Maybe if I take someone's item it can be deadly to me, so disabling items would help me survive... I don't know. Either way, I'd rather not use power since it seems like it would increase chaos; if chaos means that town has to make a harsh choice, I feel like I am an obvious choice to be the bearer of bad fate  Also I misunderstood, I'm not immune every night, I can one-shot self-protect but it doesn't take an action. | ||
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On April 05 2014 14:40 IAmRobik wrote: Hey amiko. Are you upset that I called you out as mafia? You definitely aren't all up in this game like you would be if you were town. I'm 3p not mafia, but it's fine. I don't get mad at people when they accuse me wrong... I'm likely to do the same thing. And hey at least you actually read my posts to a limited extent I don't think I could get upset on forum mafia... don't expect me to ever post something aggro or ragey (you can quote this at me in a future game if you want, honestly I'd be annoyed at myself and should probably not play if I start acting like a jerk). I'm not active here because I'm just more interested my other game... I didn't realize game was starting here or I'd have /outed, but I feel like replacing is kinda lame. I'll play, and if the other game ends I'll try to be more active here. But honestly, as 3p there's not much incentive for me to be that active... scum probably doesn't need to waste a shot on me unless I convince town of who they are, and town might kill me as a backup if they feel they don't find real scum. @IAmRobik What do you think of my point on you and kita being 3p/scum since you claimed being immune to nightkills? | ||
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I visited paperscraps last night, he had no item for me to learn about or take. If he had an item d1 that reversed his text, it was consumed or removed as far as I can guess. I will read thread later this afternoon to catch up. | ||
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On April 07 2014 01:33 syllogism wrote: Anyway, I tracked Amiko to Kita. He is mafia or lying for unknown reasons about his role. I targeted paperscraps (to ID/steal items). I guess it’s possible I was driven to kita, but I don’t really see why someone would bother driving me to kita. My night action message says that I visited paperscraps, so I do not think I was misdirected and I think it’s more likely syllogism is lying. Dunno why though. For completionist sake, I’ll mention that I also did not receive an item from WaveofShadow. Thread responses On April 06 2014 03:08 IAmRobik wrote: Amiko, do you have any 3p partners? Nope, unless you want to buddy up. On April 06 2014 17:50 sandroba wrote: @amiko from what I understand you sole purpose in the game is to survive and you can't be killed at night so all you have to do not get lynched and you win? That seems like an extremely easy/boring/fake role. Do you want to added something to that? And how exactly does switching items from 1 person to another helps you fulfil your wincon? Can anyone confirm if the switch he was supposed to perform went through? I have no idea how item switching could benefit my win condition and think it could potentially hurt my win condition. I don’t know what items do, but even if I acquire them why I am not sure I would even want to use them I agree my role is feels pretty boring to me, I think that may reflect part of my disinterest. I clarified earlier that I had misunderstood part of my role, I have only one night protection. I guess one potential use of the item switching is to swap away items that are somehow dangerous (like if I am given a time bomb as there was discussion of that in thread). | ||
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@Hopeless1der I can visit your store if you want, but I might take an item from you without paying without intending to. Do you want me to visit you? | ||
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<3 from 3pamiko the ami is for friendship | ||
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JAT do you have to be alive to win if all insane people are dead or can you win even if you are dead too? | ||
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@Austinmcc: re fog I was confirming something related to a prior pm/qt/etc; it is almost entirely irrelevant. ! If you spawn pigs I bet they would be able to fly | ||
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I just assumed most of the league of legends talk was about vayneauthority, except the "Harper Lee" comment. | ||
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Are you yu gi oh? | ||
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On April 10 2014 10:52 Killing wrote: I am the paranormal investigator. I check people to see if they are of this world, if they are not, I get some shit about them. Here are my checks. Things that could not be of this world are basically anything ( dragons included, pokemon, digimon, angels, demons, shit like that ) Palmar, nothing strange Oats, is a wizard Amiko: nothing strange I also came across this information Gumshoe, biblical figure BH, alien Foolish, nothing strange Rayn, nothing strange LSB (if he appeared as himself), monstrous humanoid iamp, fallen knight Conclusions: No difference between blue and green. No difference between mafia and town. The only thing that i've gleaned is that all mafia returned as "something" and typically it sounds dark and scary (monstrous and fallen knight). If anyone has any information that pertains to my role, we can talk and whatever but otherwise I think i'm just gonna guard or disable the button because I'm useless afaik. I actually thought I might be a dragon for a little while this game (if I took a somewhat huge stretch of flavor) :c but I'm not. No firebreath, no virgin sacrifices. @VisceraEyes: I haven't been reading thread super closely but I assumed Palmer was shopkeep from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=218#4359 Since it seems like something you can't really fakeclaim if you are buying/selling items. Btw palmer if you want me to buy some stuff let me know, have 20/50 (and 5/5 though dunno if that makes sense) so it's not too important one way or the other. | ||
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If people in the know want me to make more of a defense I can post something more substantive... but otherwise I think it's best for everyone if I stay as a lazy survivor. Simply put, if you are lynching me it's probably because you can't find a good lynch on scum, and that won't become any easier if I die. | ||
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This is just speculation but Vayne may be Saruman 'cause he thought he died when he read this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447045-catastrophe-mafia?page=245#4897 which kind of references Lord of the Rings. However, if Saruman is evil role with KP, Vayne is a little less likely because I visited him n3 and he had no items. So If Vayne he killed someone with items n1/n2, he used them up or gave them away. He may have killed someone with items n3, though (my checkitem/takeitem resolves after KP). | ||
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I mean, I guess the obvious answer (given kita's flip) is to avoid getting shot at night. | ||
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1 shot power to disable all item use for a night and scrambles them between players 1 for 1. It replaces my night action. 1 shot self-protect. I originally thought that was unlimited, later clarified to learn it was a one-shot. It doesn't replace my night action. | ||
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I can win with town or scum. If you kill all mafia and I live, I win with you. If mafia kill however many town and I live, then I will win with them. Neither side has any incentive to kill me... I have nothing that is threatening enough to town or scum to matter. I can't think of any reason to ever reveal whether I've used self protect so I won't. | ||
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I still don't think I would use that power, though, unless I get given a time bomb or something else that will kill; in that case I will swap items and someone else can die instead, hopefully whoever gave it to me. | ||
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I really don't know what syllo was trying to do. I feel like as scum he should have wanted to ally with me, not try to paint me as scum. If I get lynched I flip 3p without any kp, so it just makes him look bad. I guess maybe he could have used this argument to say he must not be scum because why would he lie, and someone else must have also visited whoever it was he claimed, but eh. It is possible someone has a win condition of killing me (since that kind of role seems popular in this game). I guess he could have been trying to keep the lynch off someone else that day? If you want I can try to visit you and steal an item to feel more confirmed :3c I'd be willing to give it back afterward. If I get roleblocked by scum, then whatever, it would uses up a roleblock to prevent nothing important. | ||
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re: my power @austin: Yeah, it swaps items 1 for 1. I mean, it could be town-relevant if town has stocked up on some useless items. But, I’d be wary of disabling items because I know some items stop KP. Re: paperscraps He didn’t have any items when I visited him n1. It’s possible he used up the item before I visited, if he had an item at all. I was told that my steal happens before KP resolves, don’t know how it works compared to item use timing. Tonight I'm stealing geript | ||
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("you will invert the effects of all actions that hit you") Also, I was apparently roleblocked (as usual I don't understand why). | ||
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Like, if someone roleblocks whoever Robik hides behind, it would theoretically roleblock Robik. But, if Robik is roleblocked, he wouldn't be hiding behind them. I think there was something like that in back to the future, I forget. It inverts actions, so I read that as meaning that someone protecting his target would kill him. Hey geript did you get any items last night? if so a few things make sense. | ||
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My thinking was that maybe Robik targeted geript, so when I visited geript (to ID/take an item), maybe his effect flipped my action, giving you items instead of taking them. I assumed that I only stole one item, not all of them (though I might be mistaken?) but I haven't stolen from anyone yet this game so I'm not sure. | ||
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Here's why you should: (1) I promise not to steal from you for the rest of the game; (2) I can steal from other players and potentially get information; (3) If I steal items back, I can't pick which items I take, so I might end up taking something you want to keep. (Per the op you can give items to people) As an aside, if I was scum I probably wouldn't have held onto one of those items; you can probably figure out what I mean. | ||
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On April 14 2014 02:14 strongandbig wrote: Wouldn't robick have made your action target him instead of geript though? Yeah I think Robik probably was not involved because I confirmed I take only one item, and all of mine were taken/given away | ||
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So, here is a question. strongandbig & visceraeyes both started the day with majority vote counts. Since no one claimed the power, is it possible it's related to Oats using his anti-lynch power yesterday? I feel like that's likely because both powers are vote-related. It could be that oats used a power to increase their vote counts (though I wouldn't pick s&b as a likely lynch, visceraeyes feels like a possibility). Or, it could be one of the negative effects for him after using his power. If it's a negative effect and he flips scum, I feel that makes VE look a lot more questionable. @Palmar Would you let me shop at your store? I guess you want to keep it town only, but c'mon it's 2014 you don't have to be so segregated. My money is green, even if I'm not :3 | ||
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@strongandbig: Why use that power? I can understand your push on VE given his weird checks, but it seemed to me like Oats would be the likely lynch for today so why not use it tomorrow? Or do you want to try for VE over Oats today? | ||
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VE claims his night action didn't occur (but maybe it's because he didn't send his message to all the mods) JAT claims his action didn't occur. My night action doesn't seem to be blocked, but it was reversed (and amplified). S&B's action appears to have gone through because there were the insta-majorities. | ||
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I have not successfully stolen any items yet this game. My visits were: N1- Paperscraps, no items N2- Justanothertownie, no items N3- VayneAuthority, no items N4- Geript, my check didn't go through and my items were given to geript. If players want to create a list of one or two players who I will visit, that's fine with me; I don't particularly care who I steal from. If I were going to suggest a list, I guess it would be VisceraEyes (because he is under doubt) or maybe Paperscraps (because if he did kill someone I would have missed him n1). I don't have a particularly strong preference for who I visit, if you want to add a suggestion that's fine. I don't want to steal from geript, it didn't work out for me well last time. | ||
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If you had to pick someone for me to theft from, who would you pick? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 06 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote: I, too, possess a penis. not for long... I'll look to pick among those four. | ||
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I was glad to cooperate with town but Palmar wants to kill me and you are compliant, so here's the deal. There's four good reasons you shouldn't shoot me. (1) You die sooner Palmar wants to kill all 3p. This is pretty evident from his posts. If you kill me, all you are doing is shortening the list of people he will want to have killed/lynched. Town seems to be in a good spot since there's probably only 1/2 scum left, so it's possible they will lynch among the 3p claims. If that's the case, you'll want me to be another person who might die. (2) I can help your claimed wincon I don't know what is protecting sandroba; it could be a role powers, it could be items. However, if I'm alive I'll promise to use my one-shot disable power on a night of your choice. Using my one-shot disable power gives you a substantially better chance (perhaps the only chance) of killing sandroba because there won't be items to protect him. I actually don't want sandroba to die, since he seems to believe I am 3p and not worthy of a lynch. But, I'm certainly willing to make that deal. (3) Cooperating with Palmar doesn't help you I guess if you shoot me you may get town cooperation cred from Palmar. If you haven't noticed, he doesn't care if 3p cooperates with town. - I've been pretty compliant and forthcoming by giving my role & powers and sharing who I visited when. - If you believe my role at all, I haven't been town or scum. I didn't disable and swap items after the creation of the FOAL and Ankh. If I were scum, I would have certainly done so to prevent a revive or to try to get the revival item to bring back a scum player. Despite this, Palmar still wants you to kill me. If I die, he'll want to kill you just as much as he did before. (4) You have an out I can protect myself tonight since I have a vest and a one-shot self protect. This means that you can claim you shot me regardless of what you actually do tonight. If you shoot at sandroba and he lives, you can still say you shot at me if you want. - I don't mind much if you shoot at me, but understand that you basically will help someone who wants to kill you, and make an enemy out of someone who is willing to help you. Anyway, your call :3 (I wanted to make my 500th post substantive so thanks for the opportunity!) | ||
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On April 16 2014 04:22 Killing wrote: I don't think my role is that useful anymore so I'm going to be disabling the device tonight. I think scum is probably in a bad spot and have to use their abilities tonight in order to try and catch back up. I think the people that have been guarding the device should disable it tonight. 3p that are trying to win with town should do it as well, especially amiko because I don't give a shit if you steal an item for yourself. I think this is a good point, but I think I owe geript at least one night action. As an aside, I had asked for Palmar's QT a couple of times. I'd like to buy something, but a slightly more significant part of the reason was because it'd help me get insight if I take someone's items; it let's my item taking mechanic be more informed since I can see what people purchased and determine if they *should* have it or not via a kill. I am going to stick to my current night action, but I guess I wouldn't mind button duty that much (if it's not a night where I'm using one-shot for JAT). | ||
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I night-visited Killing and he had no items. | ||
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If you have reason to trust paperscraps based on play, that's fine; if so, you should probably trust geript as well since paper claims to have roleblocked geript, and given the night kills I figure it's unlikely scum was roleblocked. On April 16 2014 11:02 sandroba wrote: ...Also amiko may very well be mafia, not doing what he was suposed to do to prevent town from getting back the res item.... I have no idea what this is referring to :\ I don't know who has the res item, and although I proposed using my one-shot a few times no one seemed to think it was a good idea. I think Austin suggested I use it, but only if it isn't a one-for-one trade, which it is. Later people (austin, geript, killing, maybe someone else I forget) pointed me toward stealing from among suspected people and that's fine by me. Anyway, I figure the res item was probably a one-use item that was consumed to revive Blazinghand... if it was still in game, I assume we would see town/scum coming back to life (plus that sounds like it could be broken). | ||
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On April 17 2014 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I checked Austin. He's town aligned. this made me giggle :D | ||
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@strongandbig: If geript doesn't pick up votes I would consider voting for you since you seem reasonable, but I feel like it's unfair to do so over people who have helped me. If you end up needing a vote from me let me know and send me some useless item so it is fair. Btw geript it seemed like austin wanted to lynch VE from his thread talk, but you are saying he was more set on JAT - did he want to lynch JAT in the QT? I don't mind if you ignore this it was just something I noticed cause I actually read austin's posts :3 As an aside, I'm not actually sure whether I should help JAT since I don't know if he did end up shooting at me, whatever I can deal with that later. Also sandro is your position that you want me to use my 1-shot item scramble? I don't mind either way, but it would make things easier since it would let me make sure I'm keeping my word to JAT (though I don't know if he fulfilled his end). | ||
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I asked sandro earlier about using item swap tonight what is your position on whether I should use it if you want to weigh in? | ||
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I think there's probably only one scum alive because if there were two they could have won, I think? With just their votes they could have gotten second-place in the votes and secured a mislynch. Then, it is either 3scum, 4town, 1 third party (me). Even if they get no kills, with my vote they can always get 4 votes on a person. I guess it might also be 3scum, 3town, 2 third party (me + JAT), but then it's even more of a victory, they would lynch sandro. Either way, scum has a good shot to win in that situation by getting a night kill and then joint-winning with me/JAT. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ALSO since I feel like we may be approaching endgame I will share two things about my role: (1) My role name is "the hoarder" (2) In addition to surviving in order to win, I also have to have five items in my possession @strongandbig: If you haven't, you may want to consider whether the items give you any indication of who he killed. Koshi had a carpet, besides that I don't have much individual-identifying info. Also, since I need five items it means that if scum wants to joint with me, they probably have to give me an item the night before they want my help. (Yes I am openly suggesting working with scum but town this should still make you happy since it means maybe scum loses access to an item) This also means that geript please don't take my stuff regardless of your alignment. If you are scum, it doesn't matter if you take my stuff, you know it sucks anyway, lol. If you are town and you take my stuff, scum may kill you and then I basically have to obey them to get enough items to win. | ||
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If VE gave someone gumshoe's power we would probably know because you get notified the army is after them. No one claimed that, so VE must have used powers from the other horses. VE didn't have his own KP. So to account for the KP it probably came from another horse, or JAT killed someone last night. | ||
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The role PM says pretty clearly that the other horses are on a different team so they are town This is good since it confirms VA as town :3 | ||
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On April 18 2014 10:22 Killing wrote: I think the fact that VE could give one of the other 3 horsemen's powers to one of his partners probably means that the other horsemen are town or else why would he be able to give their power away. "But you’ve always been different from War, Famine and Conquest. While they are mere means to an end, you ARE the end. You play a different game… and on a different team." FYI killing I misread this also but it basically says in the role PM that the other horses are town | ||
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I actually forgot you claimed horse, so I guess you are clear now. That's too bad, I really thought you were scum, I figured there was no way town would give items back to me ;D | ||
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The disable/swap occurs during night action resolution. I think this means that someone using an item as a night action would be blocked Other horse claims were geript (famine) and vayneauthority (war), both their powers feel like they fit to me. It's possible that VE's role information was misinforming him as to the alignment of the other horses, but I feel like it's a relatively good case to see them as town aligned. - I dunno if you doubt sandroba/JAT you could let JAT kill sandroba and then lynch JAT if he doesn't disappear from the game. Give me items first though :3 I could steal from sandroba too, since that might helps me and you guys. | ||
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It's possible another horse is mafia but I think the important thing for ve's purposes is that at least one or more of the other horses have an ability that is useful to mafia. Gumshoe had kp so that's straight up useful... I guess the other powers seem less directly useful but still useful. JAT I can't confirm whether you shot at me but let's say I think you shot someone else, is your preference that I item swap? | ||
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pls someone give me an item :c or i will have to resort to a life of crime | ||
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and really I should have gone sandro I think... but hey I did it as a favor to you JAT :3 remember when you are deciding who to kill next time | ||
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I think vayneauthority and geript are green (because of VE's role PM) None of these are certain but I think it's a pretty good baseline. Between sandroba and JAT why not lynch sandroba? If JAT is honest he wins and leaves the game and you can lynch Killing. If JAT stays in the game he is lying and you can always lynch him tomorrow. But the most important is pls give me an item ;_; | ||
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I can't confirm geript, but from my POV there's a lot supporting seeing him as town (and someone I have to work with). 1) VE's PM suggests other horses are town 2) Geript previously took all my items; this suggests that he spent a night roleblocking me rather than doing any KP. 3) Geript night visited me and I didn't die; this suggests to me he doesn't have KP (It's possible, however - like, maybe he can only kill someone if they have no items). 4) Geript probably wouldn't roleblock/night visit me as scum because why bother targeting a 3p? 5) His claimed power seems to make sense with a "famine" role Anyway if you had to pick between VA and geript for a lynch I think VA is better, but I don't really think either is scum. On April 20 2014 09:33 geript wrote: Amiko. I like you. You may steal from me tonight. Can't you just give me an item today? If the game does end on a sandroba lynch then I want to win too :c In the words of ABBA almighty, + Show Spoiler + Gimme gimme gimme (item), won't somebody help me chase the shadows away Gimme gimme gimme (item), take me through the darkness to the break of the day ##༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give ITEM ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ (Also if you give me an item then you can pick what I take, and I can steal from someone else tonight if need be) I'm going to try to vote with geript primarily, but I am willing to move to the majority on the off chance I'll get an item from them if I vote for them. | ||
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that's fine then :3 | ||
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Why do you think there has to be another scum with VE? I thought it may only matter that some other horseman have a KP power | ||
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I get what you are saying (limited power of rolecop), but it doesn't make me feel more certain that another horse is scum. I mean, even if another horse was scum, VE probably wouldn't have known there was a scum there. I don't really think VA is scum but I also don't really understand why he thinks Killing is mafia. (I mean killing could be scum but I don't really get why he is more likely than sandroba) | ||
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On April 21 2014 08:44 justanothertownie wrote: I am back. Amiko, are you telling me VE did not know anything about the scumteam after pms were allowed day2 and there was a claimed scum (syllo)? SnB dude, it seems like your lynch is not going through. Let's switch to sandroba? I mean I agree to some extent. I don't know if scum would tell VE everything... it depends on what they knew about VE. But whether they told him everything or nothing, I don't really see how it bears on other horses being scum so I guess I am missing some point? I'm voting for JAT now cause I follow geript but I will be here around deadline to move vote or join majority. ##unvote ##vote: justanothertownie | ||
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sandroba -> JAT if still in game, Killing if JAT is not in game but I mean I don't know who mafia is for sure and I'd rather the game doesn't end today anyway since I need another item first | ||
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It takes 4 to lynch from the night post | ||
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I'll be here till deadline though in case someone else returns too | ||
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I don't understand why you didn't just give me a random item during the day anyway :s At the same time I don't really mistrust geript because after all, if he wanted to mess with me or keep my items he could have done so earlier. | ||
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Your fire extinguishers and ipecac likely have no more value to you but to me they are everything! Shower me with useless gifts! On the off chance my vote matters tomorrow you are more likely to have it on your side. | ||
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With that assumption it had made geript feel shady (like stealing from him will screw me) but if he felt it was an action then it makes a little more sense. But like I said, I'm pretty much willing to do what he says either way since he can make me lose at night so he gets to call my actions. | ||
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@geript Do you mind if I steal from sandroba? | ||
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Good luck with your bullet JAT | ||
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I spent a lot of time reading yesterday. I felt sandroba was likely scum, but I was really unsure whether he had someone else on his team. @JAT, I knew you didn't shoot me because if you had I'd be dead.I actually didn't have a one-shot protect in my role, just a vest (which I never used because I needed to have five items). But, if I admitted I knew you didn't shoot me, then I figured town might try to lynch you (for shooting a townsperson that night) and I wanted to keep you in the game. | ||
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Besides that I had a lot of ups and downs- Once I managed to buy items from hopeless' I assumed that I would have enough items to win. Once geript took all my items I assumed that I would never get enough items to win Once geript gave me 4 items back I felt like I had a shot Then I was just back and forth over whether to try to lynch someone (maybe giving an item) or try to delay the game and either beg an item or steal one. I did visit sandroba in the last night btw, I figured he must have items and that might help JAT too. | ||
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On April 22 2014 10:13 justanothertownie wrote: Hehe, I shot that annoying bastard Palmar (no offense) ^_^ LOL I mean that was my assumption, he was so set on killing 3p I figured he was the best kill. | ||
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Was the ANKH / FOAL consumed after a use or did it stay in the game? I feel bad that I didn't use my itemswap power but it felt like stealing was always more important | ||
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Also I was sad reading the scum QT that you didn't pass on the 'pumpkin pie' password (this was supposed we coordinated in PM to be something scum could use to verify that they were scum if they wanted to joint win)... I made myself search for it on every page to make sure I didn't miss a signal. @VE: I was just wondering did you think any of the other horses were not town? (from your PM I mean it sounded like they weren't scum, so could potentially be 3p) | ||
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I wasn't going to defend him though ^^ | ||
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- Could VE have given Conquest powers to someone even after gumshoe died? - Conquest's power was a one-shot, if VE stole it and it was used, would gumshoe still have been able to use the 1-shot power? - Could VE give the powers to himself? | ||
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