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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18035 Posts
April 22 2014 21:17 GMT
#6281
On April 23 2014 06:08 Amiko wrote:
Oh that reminds me-
- Could VE have given Conquest powers to someone even after gumshoe died?
- Conquest's power was a one-shot, if VE stole it and it was used, would gumshoe still have been able to use the 1-shot power?
- Could VE give the powers to himself?

VE could only give powers of the horsemen that were alive. I think we talked about the one-shot thing and decided that if VE gave the power to someone else the original horseman would still get to use it, and VE could also have given it to someone else again.
VE couldn't give powers to himself (at least, that was not my intention with the role).
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-22 21:21:57
April 22 2014 21:21 GMT
#6282
I think VE's role was good, but I don't like the implications it has on the rest of the horses when he flips. That's usually the problem with these "one mafia in a QT" situations though.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
April 22 2014 21:21 GMT
#6283
On April 23 2014 06:10 syllogism wrote:
I wasn't complaining about overpowered roles, just making the point that it seems unfair to say that mafia and town both got to make an invention that was near useless to the other faction. For mafia to make an invention the town had to make pretty crucial mistakes. Furthermore, the mafia inventor has to deal with suspicion arising from the fact town didn't for whatever reason get to benefit from it (it got lost, I swear!), while the town inventor gets town cred.


That's a fair point, and there could probably stand to be a post or some media put out regarding how to handle inventions in game. They are very fun and dynamic, but really hard to identify, in a 24 hour period, all the potential setbacks of an invention. Specifically with regards the the F.O.A.L., in the future I would probably recommend to all hosts that they disallow inventions that utilize player names as criteria.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" / Join TL Mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 22 2014 21:29 GMT
#6284
On April 23 2014 05:37 austinmcc wrote:
GOOD.

A couple years back I had "Take a Chance on Me" stuck in my head off and on for about 2 weeks. I'm surprised my roommates never murdered me in my sleep.

Better than The Wiggles.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 22 2014 21:48 GMT
#6285
On April 23 2014 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 05:37 austinmcc wrote:
GOOD.

A couple years back I had "Take a Chance on Me" stuck in my head off and on for about 2 weeks. I'm surprised my roommates never murdered me in my sleep.

Better than The Wiggles.
I'm happy to take your word on this and never ever do the research myself.



I actually really like the idea of stuff like "revives the first name alphabetically." Creates that interplay where you can kill someone who comes before Blazinghand, really limits the power of the item, or at least might have before BH flipped. For all the town-favored power roles and whatnot, there was a dude who could undo things that had already happened and who was in the game TWICE without his ability ever going off. What was probably town's most versatile role never doing nasty thangs to scum.

I also think LSB's role balances out a lot of concerns in a way. Whatever is the thing scum was MOST afraid of, LSB can essentially be used to counteract that, or to get some kind of scum-favored outcome from a situation they normally fear. "All inventions have the opposite effect", and extra Prince of Darkness power, no flips for a bit, anyone who dies town and comes back to life is now scum, etc. etc. Given the way Grey was going to resolve this power you didn't know if it'd work or not, but I think there are a LOT of wishes that are both pro-scum AND anti-town at the same time, really screw with expectations for how a game works while also doing something else good for scum.
Fe fi fo fum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 22 2014 22:49 GMT
#6286
GG fellas.

Thanks for hosting!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 23 2014 00:10 GMT
#6287
On April 23 2014 07:49 Keirathi wrote:
GG fellas.

Thanks for hosting!

Thanks for letting me sheep you.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 23 2014 00:10 GMT
#6288
Although next time, don't already be dead mmmmmk.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 23 2014 00:23 GMT
#6289
On April 23 2014 09:10 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2014 07:49 Keirathi wrote:
GG fellas.

Thanks for hosting!

Thanks for letting me sheep you.

You were sheeping the wrong person

My reads were terrible, aside from syllo.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 23 2014 01:31 GMT
#6290
Not really. You gave me a good jumping off point and I never would have suspected Sandro without your analysis on Syllo.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 23 2014 01:34 GMT
#6291
Plus you were exceptionally readable. Like I read you having no clue you were dead and knew you were town. It's far easier to read an obvious tow who is concise than it is one who is a blow hard (ie. Myself, Rayn or Marv). All of your posts have a point and a direction. But when you read someone who's a more prolific poster it's much harder to follow their thought process. I think that's why in actuality it's much harder lynching fully active scum than less active or inactive scum.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 23 2014 02:03 GMT
#6292
Lol. Half of my posts this game were talking about chocolate chip cookies (even though they did sort of have a point of continually alluding to "brown" things to maybe let my cult members know I was the leader since I didn't have any other access to them).
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16319 Posts
April 23 2014 03:36 GMT
#6293
On April 22 2014 23:59 syllogism wrote:
Allowing JAT to RB+shoot Sandro was a pretty terrible idea considering it would have led to town loss had Sandro been town and if mafia had more than 1 kp (which they did) or more than 1 member left.

The salt is flowing.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 23 2014 05:27 GMT
#6294
Correct:
On April 04 2014 02:56 Foolishness wrote:
"For example, has anyone actually read syllogism's filter?"

Correct:
On April 04 2014 02:56 Foolishness wrote:
Other townies, such as Balla24,

Correct:
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
According to a recent research paper by Foolishness, iamperfection may not be as perfect as his name implies. His close analysis of iamperfection's filter reveals interesting results that are fresh and new to Catastrophe town. The main result of the research is that iamperfection fits the bill perfectly as a mafia blending into the chaos.

Wrong:
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
"You definitely don't want to be visiting France anytime soon. There's something fishy going on there."



Two Correct:
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
"Yamato77 is definitely a trustworthy person. We've seen in the past that Austin is a light-hearted, fun city that's not afraid to troll you. The time of year you have to be suspicious of Austin is when he's being super-serious, and that's definitely not right now."

Two mafia and a 3rd party, 2 correct town reads (Keirathi and Koshi). Couple wrong.
On April 05 2014 03:16 Foolishness wrote:
iamp
Amiko
Hope
killing
syllo
Keirathi
and maybe Koshi

"It's posts like these that give me hope for the future," says esteemed mafia expert Foolishness. "Personally, I'd replace Keirathi and Koshi with Djodref and tehpoofter, and there's probably no reason to include VE. But otherwise this list probably wraps up most of the game."

One wrong, one correct:
On April 05 2014 06:38 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba and kitaman are much more trustworthy.

Correct:
On April 05 2014 06:38 Foolishness wrote:

Foolishness: The most damning thing about you is your switcheroo read on tehpoofter. I don't think that's reason enough to lynch you. I don't feel like you're hiding anything from the town. You're not pushing an agenda. Also a lot of questionable people are pushing your lynch. Ironically some of these players are also top of peoples' scum list.
Paperscraps: How does that factor in?
Foolishness: For example, I may have a list of 6-7 people I think are mafia. Obviously I probably have a couple right as most people would, but the others are all wrong. I always get antsy when 4 of the players in the list are all voting the same person.



Now...let's check out that other guy...


Two Wrong:
On April 04 2014 18:21 marvellosity wrote:
Well, Holy, if you aren't mafia Koshi likely is.

Correct:
On April 04 2014 18:38 marvellosity wrote:
Find me mafia then, Holy.

hint: yamato is not it

One Wrong, One Correct:
On April 04 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
The people I won't lynch today under any circumstances:

rayn/syllogism*

Correct:
On April 05 2014 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
I agree with you that I think he should find Robik town..

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
Paperscraps isn't in that list, paperscraps is being voted. Foolishness doesn't comment on paperscraps. Foolishness is a shitter version of shadow foolishness. Foolishness is mafia.

a tempting read.

One wrong, one half-correct:
On April 05 2014 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
i'd still rather lynch paperscraps than poofter.

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
iamp is town, and it's nothing to do with calling me town, it's to do with the fact i have played with him 30 times and i know what a town-iamp looks like.

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
tbh i will sheep you on austin.

Correct:
On April 05 2014 07:11 marvellosity wrote:
and for some reason i kinda trust kita.

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 07:24 marvellosity wrote:
am gonna sheep sand.

Correct (or wrong depending on your viewpoint):
On April 05 2014 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
we're going to lynch Amiko

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 09:04 marvellosity wrote:
ok. i guess we lynch gumshoe.

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
also town hero dandle wants to kill gumshoe

Three Wrong, One Correct:
On April 05 2014 20:37 marvellosity wrote:
Should probably rehash things and start again to an extent, extra focus on people like BH, VA, LSB, Djodref.

Correct:
On April 06 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I'd quite like to see LSB die I think.

Wrong:
On April 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
marv is JAT town?

On April 06 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
i think so



In summary:

Wrong:
On April 05 2014 04:22 marvellosity wrote:
Plus I am right more often than Foolishness is right anyway.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 23 2014 05:28 GMT
#6295
Also thanks for hosting guys!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
April 23 2014 05:29 GMT
#6296
wrekt
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 23 2014 05:47 GMT
#6297
So GreY, what would have happened if I recruited JAT? Would he have had to kill himself? :p
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 23 2014 09:31 GMT
#6298
Foolishness is a player.
I love Foolishness.

Jubjub journals confirmed best thing to have happened to mafia since I arrived on this forum.


ps: marv still pretty cool guy.
I had a good night of sleep.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 23 2014 10:06 GMT
#6299
On April 23 2014 14:27 Foolishness wrote:
Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:56 Foolishness wrote:
"For example, has anyone actually read syllogism's filter?"

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 02:56 Foolishness wrote:
Other townies, such as Balla24,

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
According to a recent research paper by Foolishness, iamperfection may not be as perfect as his name implies. His close analysis of iamperfection's filter reveals interesting results that are fresh and new to Catastrophe town. The main result of the research is that iamperfection fits the bill perfectly as a mafia blending into the chaos.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
"You definitely don't want to be visiting France anytime soon. There's something fishy going on there."



Two Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:13 Foolishness wrote:
"Yamato77 is definitely a trustworthy person. We've seen in the past that Austin is a light-hearted, fun city that's not afraid to troll you. The time of year you have to be suspicious of Austin is when he's being super-serious, and that's definitely not right now."

Two mafia and a 3rd party, 2 correct town reads (Keirathi and Koshi). Couple wrong.
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 03:16 Foolishness wrote:
iamp
Amiko
Hope
killing
syllo
Keirathi
and maybe Koshi

"It's posts like these that give me hope for the future," says esteemed mafia expert Foolishness. "Personally, I'd replace Keirathi and Koshi with Djodref and tehpoofter, and there's probably no reason to include VE. But otherwise this list probably wraps up most of the game."

One wrong, one correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:38 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba and kitaman are much more trustworthy.

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:38 Foolishness wrote:

Foolishness: The most damning thing about you is your switcheroo read on tehpoofter. I don't think that's reason enough to lynch you. I don't feel like you're hiding anything from the town. You're not pushing an agenda. Also a lot of questionable people are pushing your lynch. Ironically some of these players are also top of peoples' scum list.
Paperscraps: How does that factor in?
Foolishness: For example, I may have a list of 6-7 people I think are mafia. Obviously I probably have a couple right as most people would, but the others are all wrong. I always get antsy when 4 of the players in the list are all voting the same person.



Now...let's check out that other guy...


Two Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 18:21 marvellosity wrote:
Well, Holy, if you aren't mafia Koshi likely is.

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 18:38 marvellosity wrote:
Find me mafia then, Holy.

hint: yamato is not it

One Wrong, One Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
The people I won't lynch today under any circumstances:

rayn/syllogism*

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
I agree with you that I think he should find Robik town..

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
On April 05 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
Paperscraps isn't in that list, paperscraps is being voted. Foolishness doesn't comment on paperscraps. Foolishness is a shitter version of shadow foolishness. Foolishness is mafia.

a tempting read.

One wrong, one half-correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
i'd still rather lynch paperscraps than poofter.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
iamp is town, and it's nothing to do with calling me town, it's to do with the fact i have played with him 30 times and i know what a town-iamp looks like.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:56 marvellosity wrote:
tbh i will sheep you on austin.

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:11 marvellosity wrote:
and for some reason i kinda trust kita.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:24 marvellosity wrote:
am gonna sheep sand.

Correct (or wrong depending on your viewpoint):
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
we're going to lynch Amiko

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 09:04 marvellosity wrote:
ok. i guess we lynch gumshoe.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
also town hero dandle wants to kill gumshoe

Three Wrong, One Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 20:37 marvellosity wrote:
Should probably rehash things and start again to an extent, extra focus on people like BH, VA, LSB, Djodref.

Correct:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I'd quite like to see LSB die I think.

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote:
marv is JAT town?

Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
i think so



In summary:

Wrong:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 04:22 marvellosity wrote:
Plus I am right more often than Foolishness is right anyway.

Hey, I can't be perfect, just look at my recent games for how often I lynch mafia. Do you not remember Shadow game as you died you wanted to lynch Promethelax and hard-defended Holyflare/Toadesstern with massive, bullshit walls of text?

Or Personality 2 (our lovely trainwreck) you wanted to lynch yamato, Crossfire, and marvellosity

The difference is, I can point to myriad games this year alone where I actually got mafia lynched, rather than living on play from the past.

Frankly I'm pretty stunned you felt the need to do this oneupmanship once the game has finished, but I'm happy to go at it if you wanna go down that road.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 23 2014 10:14 GMT
#6300
Aww I thought you were perfect.
I had a good night of sleep.
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