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Palmar should basically be ignored until he starts engaging the thread constructively - too many people are getting irrationally upset by his baseless reads.
Either he joins in and plays like a big boy at some point, or he doesn't and we dispose of him.
It's really easy.
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On April 03 2014 23:18 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:14 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:
I hate that Palmar is town this game.
I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW. Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town. TMI = too much info? Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia. Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor. I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us. I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ. You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie. As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game. That's all fine and dandy from your POV, but like -- I don't play that way. So you won't find me sucking up to people and trying to befriend them during the game. I'm gonna be aggressive. I'm gonna take weird fucking stances that no one is going to understand and I'm going to tell you what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it. As for the first part of what you're saying -- I know mislynches happen, but fuck that. I never wanna mislynch and I never wanna be mislynched. Just a hot tip: calling anyone who ever things you might be scum "fucking awful" and screaming about how you are "obvs 100% town" probably isn't the way to go about that. Just sayin'.
I disagree, it's a fine strat.
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On April 03 2014 23:21 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:19 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2014 23:18 Keirathi wrote:On April 03 2014 23:14 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:
I hate that Palmar is town this game.
I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW. Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town. TMI = too much info? Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia. Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor. I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us. I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ. You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie. As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game. That's all fine and dandy from your POV, but like -- I don't play that way. So you won't find me sucking up to people and trying to befriend them during the game. I'm gonna be aggressive. I'm gonna take weird fucking stances that no one is going to understand and I'm going to tell you what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it. As for the first part of what you're saying -- I know mislynches happen, but fuck that. I never wanna mislynch and I never wanna be mislynched. Just a hot tip: calling anyone who ever things you might be scum "fucking awful" and screaming about how you are "obvs 100% town" probably isn't the way to go about that. Just sayin'. I disagree, it's a fine strat. Oh? How'd it work out for you in LVIII? *Yes, I know you didn't get lynched. But you still ragequit and got modkilled 
That was my choice though. And I've done the same thing in many other games to great success. Depending on your definition of "success" that is. The definition I'm using is the one where I can use the word in that context.
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On April 03 2014 23:19 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway whatever.
I really prefer lynching balla over practically anyone else at the moment. Does anyone want to join the wagon of justice?
YES YOU DO. HOP RIGHT ON! ####waaaaaaaaagonofjustice~~~~~~~
It would be infinitely preferable if you just actually played the game.
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On April 03 2014 23:23 iamperfection wrote:
But since your here balla anything to say? if your mafia don't post accept your fate of course.
NO. I am *so* bored of mafia rolling over.
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On April 03 2014 23:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:24 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 iamperfection wrote:
But since your here balla anything to say? if your mafia don't post accept your fate of course. NO. I am *so* bored of mafia rolling over. Who gives a shit. Just win baby.
I give a shit. It's boring.
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On April 03 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:07 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2014 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
Defending himself hard instead of finding town/scum. Noted. The fact that you're allying yourself with the person in the thread being the most disruptive and making the least sense should make you think twice. I don't know what you're doing, Holy. who is being the most disruptive and making the least sense? i dont think i think it is who you think it is, unless im confused by your grammar
Fairly obviously Palmar
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On April 03 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote:
And they aren't insults it's construtive. You keep targeting people in this game to come to no conclusion whatsoever. What's the point of that?
do you seriously think Robik is mafia??
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then why are you questioning him repeatedly over stuff that's not going to lead anywhere? it's so pointless.
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On April 03 2014 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
marv who are you looking at lynching today? Or is it too early? I've come to grips with the fact that we're not going to agree on D1 lynches. We arrive at our reads differently and it's whatever, I'll deal with it. But I'd still like to know who you're looking at and why.
my lynches are always right though :p
i dunno. i don't have any particular suspicions other than the minor stuff i mentioned. I can't judge much in a game this size/chaotic this early on. I've accumulated a bunch of town reads to some degree and that's about it.
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On April 04 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:58 marvellosity wrote:On April 03 2014 23:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
marv who are you looking at lynching today? Or is it too early? I've come to grips with the fact that we're not going to agree on D1 lynches. We arrive at our reads differently and it's whatever, I'll deal with it. But I'd still like to know who you're looking at and why. my lynches are always right though :p I can hear VayneAuthority rolling in his grave.
that was a default lynch though. Not one I cared to push hard through to completion.
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On April 04 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:09 IAmRobik wrote:On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? Killing is DEFINITELY town. If you think otherwise, go read Foundations. Wut? He was scum that game and hasn't played a town forum game afaik. Bad approach to meta him like that. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? You have my axe.
It's precisely the reason I have him marked as light town as well, actually
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On April 04 2014 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:17 marvellosity wrote:On April 04 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:On April 04 2014 00:09 IAmRobik wrote:On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? Killing is DEFINITELY town. If you think otherwise, go read Foundations. Wut? He was scum that game and hasn't played a town forum game afaik. Bad approach to meta him like that. On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? You have my axe. It's precisely the reason I have him marked as light town as well, actually Well that's funny because Robik didn't even give an explicit reason.
rayn said the same, basically. "looks more lighthearted than Foundation" is my own wording.
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I already explained why your case doesn't demonstrate austin is mafia.
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On April 04 2014 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:05 marvellosity wrote:
I already explained why your case doesn't demonstrate austin is mafia. No you did not.
I really did. You disagreed, but there's a reason several other people have given essentially the same reason for not liking the case as me; you're making a read based on what you find is your personal experience, but from what other people are seeing and in my much greater personal experience, what you say doesn't necessarily jive with austin-mafia.
Also yes Palmar is bullshitting to the extreme, it's a bit dull.
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We can possibly deal with Palmar tomorrow (as in Friday).
I'm curious as to what syllogism thinks of his behaviour.
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On April 04 2014 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote:On April 04 2014 01:28 GreYMisT wrote:
Balla24 is being replaced. This will happen in the next few hours. We should just lynch the person who replaced balla. Balla clearly wanted out because he didn't want to be scum and made up some bullshit reasoning to GreYMisT (kidding, but not really) Maybe he was drown in the shower. 
That conjures up the slightly scary image that Greymist is spying on all of us, for him to know so fast.
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On April 04 2014 01:55 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
We can possibly deal with Palmar tomorrow (as in Friday).
I'm curious as to what syllogism thinks of his behaviour. Based on my recent discussions with him and how he played as mafia in Titanic Mini, I don't think his play so far makes him mafia. You followed along that game so it should be fresh in your mind. What about his play so far makes him mafia? When you say we can deal with him tomorrow, do you mean to imply that he is your strongest read right now?
It means I don't particularly know what to think. As far as I can see, he's trying to play along with his persona from the pre-game. The problem is that all of his reads (mafia ones) don't make sense and/or seem wrong to me, and don't fit into what I'd think "neutral good" would mean as a persona.
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On April 04 2014 02:03 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:59 marvellosity wrote:On April 04 2014 01:55 syllogism wrote:On April 04 2014 01:18 marvellosity wrote:
We can possibly deal with Palmar tomorrow (as in Friday).
I'm curious as to what syllogism thinks of his behaviour. Based on my recent discussions with him and how he played as mafia in Titanic Mini, I don't think his play so far makes him mafia. You followed along that game so it should be fresh in your mind. What about his play so far makes him mafia? When you say we can deal with him tomorrow, do you mean to imply that he is your strongest read right now? It means I don't particularly know what to think. As far as I can see, he's trying to play along with his persona from the pre-game. The problem is that all of his reads (mafia ones) don't make sense and/or seem wrong to me, and don't fit into what I'd think "neutral good" would mean as a persona. I'm not sure what you are saying here. Are you suggesting that he isn't role playing/messing around because it doesn't seem to match his D&D alignment?
No, I'm suggesting that he is roleplaying, but I'd expect "neutral-good", which was his alignment-roll pre-game, to lead to better/good reads rather than poor ones.
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