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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:48 GMT
#3726
On April 08 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:50 Koshi wrote:
why we care so much about HF. His list looks pretty good.
He is not lynch material except if he stole this list from people who were going to bring this list public really soonish and HF just posted it fast for town cred.

I am lynching many peoples on the list before HF tbh.
His list is bad and is the "people not voting" list. There are a number of folks on there who are unlikely to be mafia.

The kita/foolishness list, modified in a couple ways, is better (drop syllo for his scum claim, drop poofter for being dead, drop amiko for the syllo bit)



On April 08 2014 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Well, for one, everyone is green and apparently there was a big difference between green and blue in your mind

I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk).

I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo.

I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie.

I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one.


why did you say the list was bad but then change exactly 1 thing..............? so then the list is in fact good?
you also mention poofter is dying today but then say he isn't to be trusted not long after? wut
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:51 GMT
#3729
austin doesn't get anything and neither do you
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:55 GMT
#3731
On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?
It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head.

(1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town.

(2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts.

(3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying
  • I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
  • I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P


(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood.

The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had.


Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip.


this is getting hilarious

1) not a slip, mafia would know about blues and greens being town and not 3p
2) keirathi and gumshoe are green with powers (which confirmed my point in my mind) and come from a point in time of the game where i wasn't really paying attention like i've stated multiple times in the game
3/4) if the only precedent is that dimensional lemming is a mafia role then yes, it is retarded for mafia to start claiming dimensional lemming on day 1 (how can i predict the future of what people are going to say...?)




this whole thing is retarded from jat/austin and it's why i'm not really sure why i trust people's reads of them! like, whatever if you don't believe me i don't care, you can lynch me at some point when things start not adding up or check me or do whatever?

i've told you my side of the story, you've said yours, there's literally 0 need to keep hammering on about it and making it a big deal because people know the information! i've given you a list which you called bad but you agree with all of it, why is that?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#3733
nvm about the end you've answered it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:26 GMT
#3737
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:34 GMT
#3740
On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.

Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role.


What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:45 GMT
#3746
On April 08 2014 06:37 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.

Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role.


What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all!
Show nested quote +
Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1
You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there.

"Traditionally" is a stretch.

And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.

But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would.



THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 21:48 GMT
#3751
zzzzzzzzzzz i've given you the list and you're just sheeping it now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 23:28 GMT
#3777
On April 08 2014 08:21 Koshi wrote:
We can pray djodref is scum and VE scumslipped for no reason at all.

BELIEVE 2014!!!!!!

where did ve scum claim?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 23:28 GMT
#3778
why did oats keep saying va was scum but then drop off the face of the earth?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 23:34 GMT
#3783
On April 08 2014 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
##unvote

##vote oatsmaster


lol?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:47 GMT
#3797
I dun placed bombs on scums head!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:50 GMT
#3798
inb4 explosions
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:52 GMT
#3800
On April 08 2014 09:50 Paperscraps wrote:


happy exploding
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:54 GMT
#3801
i'm kidding scrapsface you aren't exploding
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:55 GMT
#3804
oats is exploding though, so is ve
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:57 GMT
#3807
On April 08 2014 09:56 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 09:55 Holyflare wrote:
oats is exploding though, so is ve


Well in that case, good shit


it's good the claimed cop is exploding is it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:57 GMT
#3808
you want a bomb on your head killing?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:58 GMT
#3810
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 08 2014 00:59 GMT
#3813
On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to


Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town?


i dunno what chaos counter does, why can't town like chaos?
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