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On April 04 2014 01:49 gumshoe wrote:
Also Palmer is what I did cheating if I'm scum?
Imo, and as I said earlier the exact words are borderline cheating, it is regardless of your/mine/rayn's alignment.
Hosts said it's ok, so I contemplated on rq'ing but I decided to keep trying.
After all I have never won as town. Q_Q
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On April 04 2014 01:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:50 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 01:43 Holyflare wrote:On April 04 2014 01:37 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote:
It's not recycling. You made an entire case that was based on rayn being scum and not being town read by a majority of people in the thread. So why would you still be angry that someone you think is now scum and had nobody town reading him switched his opinion of someone? Well first of all, for a top ranked mafia player as you described your ability, you managed to contradict yourself in these 2 lines. You made an entire case that was based on rayn being scum and not being town read by a majority of people in the thread. why would you still be angry that someone you think is now scum and had nobody town reading him I don't know what to say, you constantly seem to either not understand my simple posts or not want to. As for your actual question, you are asking me something that will reflect bad on the hosts depending on my answer and I think I blamed them enough. I think I already answered multiple times why I would be mad over this. Read my filter from yesterday if you are still not sure about my reasoning. I fail to see how i contradict myself. I'm merely pointing out YOUR contradiction. You think nobody is town reading rayn. YOU think he is scum. So why would YOU be mad when he switches his mind? Unless you are actually conceding that your whole case was wrong? When did I say that no one had him town read, omg, I feel like everyone is trolling me for some reason, lmao.
I merely said that not everyone had him town read, so he had reasons to be scared of me. That's what I said. We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left. From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi. With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3. Me+gum+getript=3 as well. By your logic only 3 people town read rayn and 3 scum read. After rayns switch mderg also called him scum. So that's 4-3. So why would you be mad that the guy town read by a minority switches and calls you scummy?
Because of the play he did, why am I not getting through?
Alignment has nothing to do with my burst, nor the time.
It's all about the oath situation.
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Listen gum and holyflare.
What's done is done, the poor hosts probably want to commit suicide reading this game and it's partially my fault.
If it makes you feel better thinking than I'm scum and my oath-anger-burst thing was a smoke screen pls do so.
But stop discussing it further pls.
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On April 04 2014 02:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:02 Steveling wrote:
Listen gum and holyflare.
What's done is done, the poor hosts probably want to commit suicide reading this game and it's partially my fault.
If it makes you feel better thinking than I'm scum and my oath-anger-burst thing was a smoke screen pls do so.
But stop discussing it further pls. Um no because your group is most likely first.
Yes and I agree but stop discussing about it being was legit, if it was cheating or not, I said all I had to say regarding that.
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Did I give the impression yesterday that I did not want to talk about it? lol
I was the one that brought it up.
It's just wrong to talk about the semantics of this anymore.
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How is it working against me, stop making stuff up.
Prplhz already said that my burst was legit and now he thinks I'm town.
Slam the same.
You are lying.
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Well, that doesn't matter prplz because I think I will after all.
Why is gum sheeping so hard that retarded case?
Why is he making stuff up?
Why doesn't he even for a moment question my anger when even ryan asked me why I was getting mad about it.
I don't know if I should trust holyflare and palmar on their townread on ryan but gum has it a bit too convenient.
Don't know, guys, share thoughts pls, am I crazy?
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Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi.
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All I'm saying prplz, is that I wouldn't do this play if I were scum.
I'd say "yeah nice try ryankoshi, are you retarded mate?" and it would end there.
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On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that.
Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry.
So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all?
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On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary.
Ahh, you make sense finally.
But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.
Believe me or not, that's up to you.
I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure.
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On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T
Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD
If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention.
If I did just that I'd in the clear.
Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it?
All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba.
Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think?
It's the long post I opened this day with.
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Well, no one called me out on anything serious. Yes?
You and getript had actively hunted ryan? Yes?
So I was greener? I'll take that as a yes too.
You are again lying after that, getript had called ryan scum many times and I don't recall, have to check filters, I think even before yours and ryans fight.
As for your last questions, I didn't assume anything regarding their status.
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On April 04 2014 03:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention. If I did just that I'd in the clear. Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it? All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba. Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think? It's the long post I opened this day with.
You avoided to answer this or did you forget again?
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On April 04 2014 03:39 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:30 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:06 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention. If I did just that I'd in the clear. Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it? All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba. Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think? It's the long post I opened this day with. You avoided to answer this or did you forget again? Also you are saying you wouldnt play this shitty as scum, why would you play that shitty as town either? That argument makes no sense / :
Ummm, do you read what you typed before you hit the post button?
It's you who are claiming I'm scum and not me obviously, lmao.
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Your reading comprehension?
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Anyway, ask legit stuff, I'll be around for some more time.
What's the timer till day1 ends?
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Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free.
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And btw my play would be more legit as town than as scum.
Town in this setup can't afford MY's.
You ML me, mafia gets a point and you lose a supposedly strong player in ryankoshi( don't know why he's considered a strong player, lol , at least based on this game).
As scum, as I explained in the previous post, acting up for this stupid reason would be disastrous.
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On April 04 2014 03:57 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:
Why do you have trouble with that.
I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi.
Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example?
Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free. Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this?
What's your reasoning for thinking rayn acted as towny?
Holyflare and palmar basically told me that they know he's retarded but they trust him, I don't agree but there you have it.
What your stance?
Cause to me it seems you got a bit too happy a bit too fast when the attention shifted from you on me.
You said rayn had a 90% scumread and suddenly he's town?
With a play that his fellow veterans admitted was dumb?
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