EPTNarrowing down our vision on only gumshoe seems bad to me. Even if he is scum, it doesn´t tell us much about any connections because right now everybody is ganging up on him.
Also my name is mderg. Not mdreg, mdern, derg or anything else.
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Narrowing down our vision on only gumshoe seems bad to me. Even if he is scum, it doesn´t tell us much about any connections because right now everybody is ganging up on him. Also my name is mderg. Not mdreg, mdern, derg or anything else. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
How can you even compare the two? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:48 Holyflare wrote: The point is, i don't know what scum is doing. TL scum especially like to be super super lazy nowadays so in fact i do expect them to be less tryhard than you make them out to be. Why are you so sure scum is active and plays to the best of their abilities if that is almost never the case? Im glad your so lucky to get shit scum, but I've won like 3 games of mafia out of the 8 I've played, those loses were doled out by the likes of Rayn, you, Sloosh, solstice, so I dont know what your talking about. Scum on tl have the capacity to play great 0_0 or bad, I always assume the former because thats my experience with them. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Koshi go read our QT. ~rayn meh, I stick to my read on Palmar but yeah I agree that he is likely town. + Show Spoiler + Happy Palmar? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote: You bring up culture as my only scum meta and i play scum lazily but that's because i bussed my entire team and played the entire town out against each other to lynch off the suki wagon so i could do that to act like a disinterested confirmed town. This game is nothing like that whatsoever? I have alignments to look at, people in cells that are confirmed mafia etc. How can you even compare the two? You constantly compare the two 0_0 so first off, hypocrite, second off, something like goading town into being at ease isnt some unique afix of cultured. It's a general strat that scum can assume thats super effective when they control town. Seeing as Rayn is basically scum, I pretty much know at least one of towns leaders is scum, so shit like "mdern is mafia, ez" fits scum holy to a T. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
So as I already asked you, what is the result of your bait? You baited rayn and he didn't take it, you said the results were inconclusive but he's mafia anyway? I'm not entirely sure what the narrative is here, but for it to work you have to demonstrate where rayn does something that is scummy. Like the problem with baits is that for the most part people responding to them should be considered town reads, because townies are the ones who like to jump shit. Like your defense against the first point in his case is that the bait is not over, which means the point is legit as rayn has no idea if the defense is not over. why is rayn not town then? | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote: Yes 1 person on the team can play great but there are 5 people and you think 3 or 4 of the ACTIVE people are scum. That's ridiculous. Theyre are 13 active people (not really including sent yet) 4 of them (read a third) bieng active scum fits perfectly XD Thats not at all ridicules, it's cell mafia, it's what you signed up for : P | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote: meh, I stick to my read on Palmar but yeah I agree that he is likely town. + Show Spoiler + Happy Palmar? Content I'll be happy if I get to be mayor | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote: Make someone scummy mayor for lulz No I want it, it's a fitting title | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
~rayn | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. Also this guy might actually be the mafia in their group. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit. ~rayn | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. 2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways. 1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore 2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position. Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight. But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really. I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. No no, town!gumshoe follows his own logic. I don't care if people use bad logic, that's something that's not necessarily scummy. Not following his own logic and making logical inconsistancies is scummy. That is what mafia!gumshoe does, especially when he is taken away from his comfort zone. Remember mini PYP? gumshoe made an argument on me. When people pointed out what was wrong in his argument he didn't explain his logic, instead he made a new argument. That's what he is doing here. He is just making new arguments hoping the old ones are forgotten. ~rayn | ||
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