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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:09 GMT
#841
On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.


Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD

Why though?

Ok here's something.

Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.

Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.
Computer says mafia
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:09 GMT
#842
On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.

~rayn


0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.

Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:09 GMT
#843
On April 03 2014 00:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.

No no, town!gumshoe follows his own logic. I don't care if people use bad logic, that's something that's not necessarily scummy. Not following his own logic and making logical inconsistancies is scummy. That is what mafia!gumshoe does, especially when he is taken away from his comfort zone.

Remember mini PYP? gumshoe made an argument on me. When people pointed out what was wrong in his argument he didn't explain his logic, instead he made a new argument. That's what he is doing here. He is just making new arguments hoping the old ones are forgotten.

~rayn

You may not have noticed but I didn't really read PYP
Computer says mafia
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 15:10 GMT
#844
On April 03 2014 00:09 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.

~rayn


0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.

Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?

So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum.
stop already. rofl.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:10 GMT
#845
easiest game of my life.

pick 1/1, shoot some scum, claim some scum, have a good time
Computer says mafia
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:13 GMT
#846
On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.


Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD

Why though?

Ok here's something.

Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.

Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.


Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.

I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.

Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:13 GMT
#847
On April 03 2014 00:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:09 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.

~rayn


0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.

Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?

So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum.
stop already. rofl.

~rayn


No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 15:17 GMT
#848
On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.

No no, town!gumshoe follows his own logic. I don't care if people use bad logic, that's something that's not necessarily scummy. Not following his own logic and making logical inconsistancies is scummy. That is what mafia!gumshoe does, especially when he is taken away from his comfort zone.

Remember mini PYP? gumshoe made an argument on me. When people pointed out what was wrong in his argument he didn't explain his logic, instead he made a new argument. That's what he is doing here. He is just making new arguments hoping the old ones are forgotten.

~rayn

You may not have noticed but I didn't really read PYP

gumshoe: "i don't want rayn to pick 2,1 because he is scum and i don't want him to have universal backup, otherwise i am okay with his plan"
people: "why?"
gumshoe: "i don't rayn him to pick KP"
people: "but he is not picking KP"
gumshoe: "he has a plan for picking KP"
people: "but he can't have a plan because it will be confirmed where the KP is, you agreed with the rest of his plan"
gumshoe: "but he still has a plan. NOW MORE TALK ABOUT THIS KTHXBYE!"

That's literally what happened.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 15:19 GMT
#849
Gumshoe in a nutshell

My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 15:21 GMT
#850
On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:09 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active".
I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit.

~rayn


0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM.

Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn?

So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum.
stop already. rofl.

~rayn


No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am.

No you are saying you did something scummy and i am scum because i called you out for your scummy shit and on top of that you can't even reasonable explain it. But that doesn't make you look scummy at all, no, it makes me look scummy in your opinion.

hilarious

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:21 GMT
#851
On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.


Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD

Why though?

Ok here's something.

Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.

Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.


Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.

I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.

Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.


The bolded is the important part.

If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread.

screw it, you have to be scum.
Computer says mafia
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:22 GMT
#852
Like, Rayn, we agree Steve is town right? Therefore, either way at least one scum player is extremely active. If that scum player is you, that means the most active player in the game (who has had several active players, such as Holy and Balla back him up at certain points,) is scum. If I'm scum on the other hand, my team could be lurking, or not, but I am still extremely active. If we know that one of the two most active players in the game is scum, why is it so hard to bilieve that the scum team as a whole is active? Thats certainly the case if Rayn is scum, which I know he is.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:24 GMT
#853
like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history.
Computer says mafia
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:28 GMT
#854
On April 03 2014 00:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.


Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD

Why though?

Ok here's something.

Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.

Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.


Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.

I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.

Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.


The bolded is the important part.

If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread.

screw it, you have to be scum.


Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly

You know this how? Because i don't.

##Vote: gumshoe


and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 15:28 GMT
#855
Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say.

In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all.

Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts.

It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town!

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 15:28 GMT
#856
On April 03 2014 00:22 gumshoe wrote:
Like, Rayn, we agree Steve is town right? Therefore, either way at least one scum player is extremely active. If that scum player is you, that means the most active player in the game (who has had several active players, such as Holy and Balla back him up at certain points,) is scum. If I'm scum on the other hand, my team could be lurking, or not, but I am still extremely active. If we know that one of the two most active players in the game is scum, why is it so hard to bilieve that the scum team as a whole is active? Thats certainly the case if Rayn is scum, which I know he is.


Silly people. Move on with your life and talk about other people.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:29 GMT
#857
On April 03 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote:
like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history.


Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 15:31 GMT
#858
On April 03 2014 00:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say.

In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all.

Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts.

It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town!

~rayn


He completley read the thread last game as scum 0_0 only becoming useless when Marv smashed him, also in Pyp he didnt fucking read at all (was super chill all game) and said as much himself this very game, he played totally lax and carefree. Wtf are you smoking?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:31 GMT
#859
On April 03 2014 00:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:21 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:07 gumshoe wrote:
On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote:
Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane.


Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD

Why though?

Ok here's something.

Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt.

Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap.


Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here.

I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me.

Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion.


The bolded is the important part.

If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread.

screw it, you have to be scum.


Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly

Show nested quote +
You know this how? Because i don't.

##Vote: gumshoe


and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / :


Again what's your point. Isn't town rayn also sharp and ready to jump inconsistencies?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 15:32 GMT
#860
On April 03 2014 00:29 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote:
like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history.


Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot.

If I wanted to present you with a fucking idiot I'd hand you a mirror
Computer says mafia
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