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On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.
And that post is 24 hours into the game.
Your point?
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On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.
And it's not an assumption, the dates are literally there.
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On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why?
~rayn
No, but do explain.
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On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why?
~rayn
Oh I think I get it.
No one else actually noticed the timing thing either, which means that either no one actually read the meta holy was referring to, or that it's a reasonable mistake to make as certainly not everyone piling on mderg is mafia.
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On April 02 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game. And that post is 24 hours into the game. Your point? Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game. It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything.
I'm not talking about him I'm talking about you. If you meta'd him wrong there is a reason for that. I mean there is obviously the possibility that you just ignored the timestamps because you thought you had something, but there's also the possibility you didn't notice because you were just "confirming" something you had already decided upon, ie you weren't really reading the meta.
But I don't know, I just realized that nobody else noticed either, so everyone is mafia if you're mafia for this.
And I don't really use associative reads, we now know a bunch of people jumped your argument without considering it at all, some of them may be mafia. But it's not because they jumped mderg if they are, it's because of how they jumped mderg. And even if mderg flips mafia that doesn't clear anyone jumping him.
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If you think there's a parallel between 5 pages in 3 hours and 5 pages in 24 hours you're insane rayn. There is much more time to actually re-read and form opinions which is exactly what HF is accusing mderg of not doing.
But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make.
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On April 02 2014 21:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:34 Palmar wrote:
If you think there's a parallel between 5 pages in 3 hours and 5 pages in 24 hours you're insane rayn. There is much more time to actually re-read and form opinions which is exactly what HF is accusing mderg of not doing.
But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make. Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn
I have no idea how much time he spent playing the game.
But reading isn't the same as interactively responding and you know this.
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Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group?
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On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight.
I didn't like poofter's giant post on HF just to come back and say mderg is more likely scum. That's basically actively keeping options open which isn't really needed for town.
But yes, if this is all mderg has to offer we lynch him. Doesn't make HF's meta any more valid, even if he flips mafia 
On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:In the meantime, what's your take on this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 14:35 getmoript wrote:
Rayn I have an important question for you. Koshi isn't allowed to answer. I want you to rate your #1 issue with me.
~g I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn ???? ~rayn
I don't really understand the first part of #1, the second part is a non-point because if you call that a contradiction no one can ever bring up the HF = bus/right thing and then disagree with him. It's actually really dumb to expect geript to consistently stay with that notion of holyflare and never question antyhing HF does because of it. You're pushing him to live up to what is probably a joke.
#3 is actually a good point, and if there was a way of testing it that'd be great. ie if we could somehow interrogate only the Cav head without him being funneled answers from the geript head. But I don't think we can so whatever.
#2 is just a meta read, and I'm not even sure I agree scum geript is passive, he was plenty mad at me in survivor.
Like I don't know, if this is geript mafia he's not playing like he played in survivor. He was much more cowboy-ish and less interactive in that game than he is now.
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On April 02 2014 22:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch? Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time. As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better.
This is a completely invalid point because the same applies to townies too.
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On April 02 2014 22:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar:
On point #1: His reads change unnaturally. Also geript wanting to policy lynch Holyflare is 100% not a joke.
On point #2: scum geript is more passive than town geript. Also see the context, it's me who he is talking to. He thinks i might be mafia!!! geript is not passive towards people he thinks are mafia, especially me, rofl.
~rayn
I haven't read the exchange but even that sounds really dumb. If HF is always right or bussing wouldn't we be lynching his target and not HF himself?
And since when has anyone ever been serious on a policy lynch like that?
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On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.
This is really bad.
The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia.
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This game needs a power role so you can swap around people in cells if we want to.
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On April 02 2014 22:58 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia. If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment?
No the point is that my alignment is irrelevant here. No matter what my alignment is, once I think you're mafia, rayn by extension has to be town, and you're accusing me of being cozy with rayn.
But I now realize your theory has us as scumbuddies in that case so whatever.
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Like how can you be so sure Steve's not mafia gumshoe? He's the person in your group that still has options open on who he wants to lynch.
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Also rayn's case is solid, I'm sheeping the fuck out of that
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It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro.
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier.
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On April 02 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Balla is very towny because he is questioning in every single right place, he sees something he doesn't like and he isn't afraid to point it out and go against the grain.
Balla also won the Palmar "best post in the thread" award earlier on.
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