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On April 02 2014 09:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 09:52 Palmar wrote:
This game is really easy btw, can just read like 3 filters and you're guaranteed one of them is scum.
Will start doing that tomorrow. I'll do one better. You only need to read Sentinel's filter and tell me if he is scum or town and why so i am pretty sure we won.  ~rayn
Didn't read with context but it's pretty neutral at the moment. Nothing really alignment indicative
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On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order?
yeah I'll have a goodburger
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On April 02 2014 10:03 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:00 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:58 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:55 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:51 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:41 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
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So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?
Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y.
In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches:
1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or
2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read. As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? Ha! I have observed! You use am iPhone don't you? Probably a 4 or 4S that you updated to iOS7... Close, it's an ipad XD Hmmm... That would be Does iOS7 go on the pads? Didn't know that. Anyway what is your gameplan for attacking this problem of losing two town voices every lynch? In fact is anyone considering that angle? A scum one is lost as well, so It feels like a problem that evens itself out honestly. Basically I dont think it's a factor that supersedes questionable alignment or outright scumminess(which is probally how we should considering the order, by who we need to flip the most in terms of information and results.) No It is the only reason ordering matters. Think on why. Uscumbro? I legit dont know what your talking about, also were not lynching all the strong groups first regardless so it's a non issue. Oh and ignorance doesn't make me scum. Well what if we vote mayor who doesn't do that? All we have to do is pick a non town mayor. And true, is why I askz Scum can choose any fuckin order they want if they think it's worth outing one of thier own, even if he puts himself on the bottom( thereby enabling a chance that he might not get lynched at all this game) I will gladly take that trade.
If you're worried about this just make me mayor, already said I'd put myself first.
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On April 02 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order? yeah I'll have a goodburger The order of cells I mean + Show Spoiler +This is In-N-Out, we use a number system. 1, 2, or 3? All customizations are up to you. Feel free to ask for anything.
Myself first, then whatever I feel like.
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unless I have 100% outed scum, in which case I might put that group first.
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On April 02 2014 10:06 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:04 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 10:03 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 10:00 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:58 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:55 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:51 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 09:41 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:38 Alakaslam wrote:
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Ha!
I have observed!
You use am iPhone don't you? Probably a 4 or 4S that you updated to iOS7... Close, it's an ipad XD Hmmm... That would be Does iOS7 go on the pads? Didn't know that. Anyway what is your gameplan for attacking this problem of losing two town voices every lynch? In fact is anyone considering that angle? A scum one is lost as well, so It feels like a problem that evens itself out honestly. Basically I dont think it's a factor that supersedes questionable alignment or outright scumminess(which is probally how we should considering the order, by who we need to flip the most in terms of information and results.) No It is the only reason ordering matters. Think on why. Uscumbro? I legit dont know what your talking about, also were not lynching all the strong groups first regardless so it's a non issue. Oh and ignorance doesn't make me scum. Well what if we vote mayor who doesn't do that? All we have to do is pick a non town mayor. And true, is why I askz Scum can choose any fuckin order they want if they think it's worth outing one of thier own, even if he puts himself on the bottom( thereby enabling a chance that he might not get lynched at all this game) I will gladly take that trade. If you're worried about this just make me mayor, already said I'd put myself first. All this is WIFOM till we have a confirmed town
I don't think this setup produces confirmed townies.
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I just want to be mayor for the title really.
I'm off
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On April 02 2014 11:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Well I'm back for a short while.
I don't really know what to make of Palmar. He seems to have the apathetic mannerisms I remember him having, but the whole mayor thing doesn't seem like much of a tell one way or another. It doesn't make enough of a difference for town/scum to do something different.
I'd really appreciate Coag coming back into this game so at least I can weigh the two side-by-side
This is a really long winded way of saying "I have no clue".
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"?
This is the best post in the thread so far.
On April 02 2014 12:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless of the poofter read, mderg is just stating things and asking for explanation rather than pointing out and elaborating his own opinions and forming reads.
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn It all fits huh? I attacked Steveling at the start to bait you, Mderg went in to defend Steveling against me.Show nested quote +I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Why would my scum buddy come in to disagree with me? Wouldnt mderg bieng scum implicate Steveling, not me?And why would I press him back? Show nested quote +Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? How does any of this fit? Do you think me and mderg are scum together?
What was your bait supposed to accomplish gumshoe? Did you catch rayn? I
Please explain what your bait accomplished gumshoe. I don't see the benefit. All I see is you making a bullshit post and mderg disgreeing with it in quit a natural manner. Also if mderg is scum it says nothing about Steveling's alignment.
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On April 02 2014 13:38 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:55 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 12:16 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right) Two things: #1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell. #2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people. On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone? You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter". I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose. Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does. Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives? I don't know you and rayn's alignment so I have to consider that you're attacking my plan because you're scum and know its a good idea or that you're town and my idea is shit. So The "after reading your filter" bit was me saying "well shit I read rayn as town and Balla now looks town maybe my idea was shit" so before you were neutral and I wanted you to comment on my idea after the read you both look town and so maybe my idea was bad. I have formally abandoned my plan because apparently it was bad so might as well use my town reads to figure out what they think and find out their views. You and rayn could be mafia and I'm misreading you both but since I've only played with a couple people in this game you and rayn being 2 of them and you were both town in the games I've played getting a read on you both as town and trusting your judgement seems like the best course of action. Basically I reassessed after reading your filter and am willing to try it you guys way. Ok then, so moving on: what are your thoughts on Holyflare and mderg? So I liked your point on mderg he seemed to make a really weird point that led me to believe he is scum and sentinal is town if thats the case. He wasn't willing to call sentinel scum off what he said but like wanted someone else to which is scummy. As for HF he has 2 posts that cause me worry. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. So just to confirm with scum geript here. Plam, rayn, hf confirmed town now right? Then right after that. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:02 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 11:00 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. So just to confirm with scum geript here. Plam, rayn, hf confirmed town now right? Hate to say but yes I would confirm you three... Why confirm palmar? List of what he's done : 1. Said this day is shit and he wants to afk it 2. Agrees with rayn that we ashould be scum hunting today 3. Asks to be mayor repeatedly instead Is that towny to you slam? So to me he insinuates palmer is town cause of something geript said who he reads at scum then his very next post he makes it seem like palmer is not town at all. Now I think the 2nd post is probably more indicative of how HF feels because I can see the 1st one being more of a sarcastic off hand remark and more about geript than Palmer. However it is odd that back to back posts from him call Palmer two different alignments. HF also read my idea about the cell reads as stupid which is what rayn and balla both did and they seem town to me so I guess he should get town points for that. For me Mderg more scummy than HF.
You just wrote a big post on HF to come to the conclusion Mderg is more likely to be scum. Now I think you're more likely to be scum.
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On April 02 2014 10:36 Tehpoofter wrote:@hydra rayn are you still reading slam as scum? This is my third game with him and he actually seems to be trying... at least "trying" more so than he has in other games. I find him unreadable as is being said and you seem to be doing your typical rayn town thing of going ham (why did you not do this in Dr. Who 2 grrrr) Like this post seems to be hes actually reading people: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:50 Alakaslam wrote:
OH LSB you are the other dude?!?!
Crap
Well so much for my reads. I townread you both.
Crap. and these two posts he trying to extract game relevant info from palmer: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order? yeah I'll have a goodburger The order of cells I mean + Show Spoiler +This is In-N-Out, we use a number system. 1, 2, or 3? All customizations are up to you. Feel free to ask for anything. He seems to be processing the game at least a little idk maybe I'm just noticing it more through the troll after playing a couple games with him but is this something you read as mafia slam? (His filter is still like 80% gibberish)
These posts show nothing about his alignment. Do you think it's difficult for mafia to ask "what order do you want to put the groups in"? I can ask you that thing right now, am I then asking game relevant information and thus confirmed town?
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On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it.
Why do you think that, is this something I normally do as town?
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On April 02 2014 18:47 Steveling wrote:Umm, page1 so far into raynkoshi's filter and I don't think I found anything weird. That getript has some weird posts. Some pretty neutral town posts so far. That post makes sense Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn But I don't like how you jump on it, let's wait for some more posts from gum.I can't speak about your slam suspicions yet. And that's all I think? Pretty clear filter or I'm agreeing a lot with you, don't know which of the two. Probably a huge part of your filter is against getript so that's why. You asked me earlier for an opinion on mderg, I stated that on my gum filter. You asked my which of you the 2 of you I think is scum, honestly I'm not sure yet but the signs are there and are against gum.
gumshoe has like a 4 page filter, what are you talking about.
This observation by rayn is actually quite good, because it isn't a "meta" observation but rather a change in mindset. I think we should lynch gumshoe.
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That's kinda the point, he has made replies.
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Wait wtf, you're in the group with him and rayn, and you liked rayn's points about gumshoe, so you don't even have to think gumshoe is scum if you're town, you just have to think rayn is town, which you seem to do.
Are you the scum?
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Also @Coag, I have no problem with lynching you guys if you don't play the game. If you're not scum you'd be giving sentinel a free win but I will lynch you if you don't start posting.
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On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote:
Can't argue with that.
Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same?
And what do you think about me?
I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me.
I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused.
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On April 02 2014 19:05 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:03 Palmar wrote:
Wait wtf, you're in the group with him and rayn, and you liked rayn's points about gumshoe, so you don't even have to think gumshoe is scum if you're town, you just have to think rayn is town, which you seem to do.
Are you the scum? Fairly obvious you didn't read a single post of the previous page.
I read everything on the previous page.
You made two posts of relevance, one coming to a non-conclusion about gumshoe, the other one about liking rayn's post but not liking him actually pushing an idea he had.
How can you think it's scummy for rayn to push something he believes in? He might well be mafia, but if he is the reason is not that he's trying to kill gumshoe based on gumshoe randomly changing his mind.
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If I gave you a gun right now and told you to shoot one of them, who would you shoot?
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On April 02 2014 19:10 Steveling wrote:
And what's the rush palmar, stick to your group, when the time comes we will see which player/players are most scummy, yes?
You haven't provided a single read so far.
My group is default at the moment. Sentinel hasn't said anything relevant to the game and Coag hasn't said anything period.
Also, do you think it's more likely I'm mafia because I haven't provided many reads?
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