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On April 02 2014 10:49 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Tehpoofter yes he is scum. Also Balla looks town and LSB looks okayish (but then again i have really hard time understanding LSB usually in games so maybe this means he is supertown).
~rayn I liked LSB's overview of the analysis of players expected postings cause I don't know everyone so that was townie to me going to check out Balla last time I played with him was the beacon of towniness, going to go check out their filters and see what shows up. As for Slam I'll toss him in probably scummy pile. Also side note your assessment we should lynch the auto scum first is 100% correct and I don't understand why gum was arguing differently. We have more time to assess the people who we don't read well. Like one of them is scum and they will either have to bus the auto scum or try to save them both of which put them in a position where they have to talk about their teammates which is super awkward as scum (THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD ALL BE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR CELLS TODAY!!)
First off, what was your result of your filter dives on my cell.
Secondly, why is Slam in the scummy pile when you seemed to be leaning more town on him previously:
On April 02 2014 10:36 Tehpoofter wrote:@hydra rayn are you still reading slam as scum? This is my third game with him and he actually seems to be trying... at least "trying" more so than he has in other games. I find him unreadable as is being said and you seem to be doing your typical rayn town thing of going ham (why did you not do this in Dr. Who 2 grrrr) Like this post seems to be hes actually reading people: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:50 Alakaslam wrote:
OH LSB you are the other dude?!?!
Crap
Well so much for my reads. I townread you both.
Crap. and these two posts he trying to extract game relevant info from palmer: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 10:02 Alakaslam wrote:
Awesome you didn't leave
Palmar can I take your order? yeah I'll have a goodburger The order of cells I mean + Show Spoiler +This is In-N-Out, we use a number system. 1, 2, or 3? All customizations are up to you. Feel free to ask for anything. He seems to be processing the game at least a little idk maybe I'm just noticing it more through the troll after playing a couple games with him but is this something you read as mafia slam? (His filter is still like 80% gibberish)
Even though you call him unreadable. Like this post you call him unreadable but then post conclusions that seem to call him town, and then you call him scum. Which is it and why?
Also. Stop being silly, just comment on everybody and don't tunnel like a normal person instead of refusing to comment on mderg and holyflare.
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On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now.
If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so.
Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said?
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On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right)
Two things:
#1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell.
#2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people.
On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone?
You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter".
I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose.
Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does.
Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives?
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Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending:
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.
How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"?
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Cav, nobody really cares that much about mayor except your hydra apparently. Any thoughts on who is scum?
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? Show nested quote +Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?
Rayn watcha think? I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. Show nested quote +You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. Show nested quote +Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
Show nested quote +Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz
~rayn Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to.
On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.
I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to.
What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute.
It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing.
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On April 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:16 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right) Two things: #1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell. #2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people. On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone? You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter". I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose. Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does. Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives? I don't know you and rayn's alignment so I have to consider that you're attacking my plan because you're scum and know its a good idea or that you're town and my idea is shit. So The "after reading your filter" bit was me saying "well shit I read rayn as town and Balla now looks town maybe my idea was shit" so before you were neutral and I wanted you to comment on my idea after the read you both look town and so maybe my idea was bad. I have formally abandoned my plan because apparently it was bad so might as well use my town reads to figure out what they think and find out their views. You and rayn could be mafia and I'm misreading you both but since I've only played with a couple people in this game you and rayn being 2 of them and you were both town in the games I've played getting a read on you both as town and trusting your judgement seems like the best course of action. Basically I reassessed after reading your filter and am willing to try it you guys way.
Ok then, so moving on: what are your thoughts on Holyflare and mderg?
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On April 02 2014 13:00 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:50 Balla24 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? Show nested quote +Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?
Rayn watcha think? I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. Show nested quote +You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. Show nested quote +Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
Show nested quote +Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz
~rayn Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.
I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute. It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing. I backed off of Rayn after the fake case cause his response was fine, but Rayn came back for me and I explained why I lied. He then started hammering me as if he knew I was scum, whereas I was never certain of his alignment, only reasonably suspicious. He has always been far more suspect of me than I of him, I was just trying to read the guy whose in my group. Instead of talking shit Balla, show me proof that I was certain of Rayn's guilt before he was certain of mine and that I was more vocal about it.
Come on now, I'm not talking shit, I'm talking about what I'm seeing.
The order of operations doesn't matter. Steveling has still done nothing, yet you are certain Rayn is mafia, and you call rayn scummy for being certain of you being mafia even though Steveling has done nothing.
You display that confidence here:
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.
Like, I'm not arguing that rayn does not twist stuff like crazy to be in his favor as mafia and make stuff up out of thin air, he does that, it's true. I'm arguing that you guys going after each other hard and with confidence is not a scumtell like you are trying to make it out to be for rayn (and brushing it off when you do the same thing).
I understand the rest of your case, and while it's hard to follow it might be somewhat ok but that point isn't valid.
Let's move on: what do you think of some other cells, specifically Cell 2 and Cell 5 are the ones i'm most interested in.
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@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do.
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On April 02 2014 13:26 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote:
@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0
Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play)
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On April 02 2014 13:28 gumshoe wrote:
Balla I actually apologize for being rude, even if you are scum the insults were uncalled for T_T I'll stop with that.
No worries. ^_^
On April 02 2014 13:30 gumshoe wrote:
It's just you think I havent considered steve is scum because I'm suspicious of how Rayn hasn't considered steve is scum, which is completely untrue, I am worried about steve, have said as much and I wanted to wait for him before beginning the earnest which hunt, but Rayn pushed me into fighting and showed me a side I've seen before, a scummy side / :
Again, this is not what i'm thinking/saying. But the fact that you are adamant about this means that we are mis-understanding each other anyways. I'm dropping it.
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On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:31 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:26 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote:
@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0 Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play) Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him?
For now Holy is fine with me. He hasn't done much yet, but he has attempted to bring new information to the table in the form of some meta comments about mderg which is good.
While i'm not that much of a fan of early cases based solely on meta behavior like yours (vs rayn (this is different since you were possibly "baiting") and vs holy) and holy's, it still shows a willingness to go fetch new information and new information is always good. So I don't really think that your comments:
On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. this game Show nested quote +i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern.
here about holyflare are that interesting. I'd like to see how this read develops as the thread atmosphere evolves and Holy contributes more (which is why in general i'm not a fan of early cases based solely on meta).
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On April 02 2014 13:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:46 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:31 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:26 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote:
@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0 Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play) Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him? For now Holy is fine with me. He hasn't done much yet, but he has attempted to bring new information to the table in the form of some meta comments about mderg which is good. While i'm not that much of a fan of early cases based solely on meta behavior like yours (vs rayn (this is different since you were possibly "baiting") and vs holy) and holy's, it still shows a willingness to go fetch new information and new information is always good. So I don't really think that your comments: On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. this game i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern. here about holyflare are that interesting. I'd like to see how this read develops as the thread atmosphere evolves and Holy contributes more (which is why in general i'm not a fan of early cases based solely on meta). What is your ideal evidence? What kind of case sways you? Wouldn't you agree that town are often just as likely to trip up as scum?
A great case is one that combines facts from the current game, behavioral analysis using meta (and after flips: associative tells). Meta cases based off of 12h of gameplay do not convince me of anything except the effort that the person making the case is putting into the game. I would not agree that town are more likely to trip up than mafia if they are thinking logically, mafia has information bias, town do not. What kind of "tripping up" are you referring to?
On April 02 2014 15:01 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote:
That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this
I really don't understand what you are getting at here, you seem to think i'm scum and that this post is the one that you didn't like, but what you write here focuses mainly on prplhz and an interaction I had with him instead of on what I said. Can you elaborate on why my "correction" there is scummy in your eyes?
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I like your comment on mderg Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included )  have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming).
1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who.
2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former.
On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:I have some issues with poofter posting late on as well but work atm. But for example Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
@gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste.
^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy.... So unimpressed.
This is interesting because at this point (correct me if I'm wrong) Poofter was already dropping his policy because of rayn, holyflare and I. I still could see him holding that opinion though, but it is good to note.
On April 02 2014 22:39 Steveling wrote:
The day is young prplhz, I will prolly filter everyone out in the next 8 hours, xD.
T_T, yet he's peacing out now I think. I don't recall the results of this or if he even did so, all I remember is a small bit about Sentinel and then the shit-show within cell 1.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2014 00:47 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:46 Palmar wrote:
I have no idea why mderp cares about his name. Bella does as well. Also suko. marvelosity did it last game. Probably others as well but meh. Hehuehue
##vote raynpelikonokoshi
Side note: Koshi don't put your group first, we need you guys to contribute the awesome power of your hydra. Earliest you guys should go is 3 and I think the scum is pretty easy in your group in Steveling.
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On April 03 2014 07:09 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 06:38 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 15:01 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote:
That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... On April 02 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote:
hmm yea. that's right. I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this I really don't understand what you are getting at here, you seem to think i'm scum and that this post is the one that you didn't like, but what you write here focuses mainly on prplhz and an interaction I had with him instead of on what I said. Can you elaborate on why my "correction" there is scummy in your eyes? No when I was rereading last night I've been coming around to some extent on you being town. The "weird thing" to me isn't you correcting prplhz, it's the fact that he has this idea that he seems to like and instantly drops it when it gets "shit on." That looks really really odd to me; it goes along with how townies tend to present ideas and have a 'stick-to-it-tiviness' about believing in them. There's no evolution of how to make his idea better; there's no rebuff of, "This is specifically for if people are lost and not a focus only on your pod" type of post. It's really weird to see an idea, especially one that has merit like that, just instantly dropped.
Sorry, still a little confused if you could help me out here. What exactly does that have to do with me in that case, since the reason you brought it up was because you thought I was scum?
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Hi Geript, thoughts on this?
On April 03 2014 06:38 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I like your comment on mderg On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming). 1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who. 2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former.
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On April 03 2014 11:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript calls himself "obvious town" and says "you should read me as town" only as mafia.
~rayn
Examples?
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On April 03 2014 11:34 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:11 Balla24 wrote:Hi Geript, thoughts on this? On April 03 2014 06:38 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I like your comment on mderg On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming). 1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who. 2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former. I don't think slips really happen in forum. Like there are literally million 'scum slips' that have been pointed out and I'd be surprised if a quarter of them even came from scum. I don't really get where you are going with point 1. He has reads he's not sharing them. I really don't care. If he wants to continues to do so then I'll lynch the fuck out of him AND I think Rayns the scum in that group. Iirc I kinda liked his earlier posting when I was doing my read through but eh.
Don't you think it would have made more sense to him to take a strong stance that says "obviously there are scum in here" instead of "I believe there mayyyybe might be scum in here". Like, in Steveling's position, if he's town it should be pretty obvious that mderg is either being bussed or is town. It should be more of an epiphany like, YES gumshoe this is totally correct because see, there has to be scum in this list since I am town and the other 2 of my cellmates are in here! You don't have to see it as a slip, i'm just curious if that makes sense to you or if it doesn't, if not why?
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On April 03 2014 14:30 getmoript wrote:
Scumreads:
rayn, Balla, prp.
Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)
Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)
Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.
Will read into the other cells soon.
~Cav
lol what is this? Both you and geript have called me scum, but then reasoned it with shit that has nothing to do with me.
Geript with that prplhz post
Cavalinho with stuff about a different person in a different game.
Cav like... this makes no sense, and even if it made sense, you would have needed to back it up, (for example: quoting shit that shows suki doing the same thing as I am)
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How do you not get from my filter that raynkoshi is town? Even if I may or may not explicitly state it should be pretty obvious.
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