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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
March 25 2014 12:28 GMT
#8
/in
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
March 25 2014 13:18 GMT
#15
This setup is basically LYLO erryday~
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 18:14 GMT
#125
wat is dis i dont even
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 18:48 GMT
#133
I think we order the cells in order from weakest mafia cell to strongest mafia cell, that way we get the easy mafia lynches out of the way faster and give ourselves more of a chance to win faster and a lot of time to simmer with the stronger players as mafia (rayn, Holyflare, Palmar just looking at this)

I would probably put 4 -> 5 -> 3 -> 1 -> 2 (havent put much thought into it which is the strongest yet just first impressions)
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:01 GMT
#141
On April 02 2014 03:50 Alakaslam wrote:
I'm coo with that balla


Why are you ok with that? It makes sense? you simply like the order or what?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:09 GMT
#149
On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there.


That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells...
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:14 GMT
#152
On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.


I more or less agree with this.


What are you agreeing with? There's plenty of stuff in there. Mayors don't matter? Cell4 should go first? Unreadable player cell first?

Is there even a cell here that you consider full of "unreadable players"? Same to you @prplhz.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:23 GMT
#157
On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So my very first impression:

If I wasn't in this group (let's just say, Group 6), my first-guess order would be 3 -> 4 -> 2 -> 5 -> 1. I think I'll have an easier time with reading the people in the last two groups - I've played with them more recently, or they're just more straightforward overall. Especially rayn, koshi and gum.

As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time, although Coag's not too unpredictable, kush you can usually see once you wade past all the bullshit, and Palmar... I'll think of something.

Group 2 is my neutral people - Holyflare is the only one I've had experience with. Group 4 really depends on how erratic Slam becomes over the course of the game.


How can the first sentence be justified if you want to be taken out of the game first as shown in the second sentence?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:25 GMT
#160
So @prplhz are you saying it's likely that we mislynch when lynching into my cell? In that case why would you want us first, we'd just be starting 0-1?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:38 GMT
#165
I find it weird that people want to lynch "unreadables" first...

Unreadable means you can't properly discern their alignment, therefore lynching groups with "unreadable" people in it means we have less chance of hitting mafia, so why would we want them to go first. That's silly, we'll just be behind early if we don't get lucky.

For the record, I think my group is very READABLE, and I think it will be easy to catch the mafia in my group therefore we should go first but I think it's stupid that you guys want us to go first if we are "unreadable".
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:40 GMT
#167
On April 02 2014 04:35 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:25 Balla24 wrote:
So @prplhz are you saying it's likely that we mislynch when lynching into my cell? In that case why would you want us first, we'd just be starting 0-1?

no, the players in your group are the players i don't think we will benefit a lot from having around a lot. none of you are famous and reliable scum slayers and you seem kind of scummy. we just give it our best shot and then that's it. lynching into group rayn would be silly because rayn looks more and more and he's also a reliable scum hunter that we'll want to have around for more than 48 hours. same with groups 1,2,3,5


Sure, this makes more sense than wanting us to go first because we are "unreadable" and lynchbait.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:50 GMT
#177
On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?

~rayn

I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.

I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette).


I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town.

The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features"


Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 19:56 GMT
#187
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 20:00 GMT
#194
On April 02 2014 04:57 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Actually this "which group to lynch first" is really stupid for the next 40 hours.
Townie points for the person who first tells why.

~rayn


It's stupid but people giving reasoning for it is not useless. I think it was a decent starting point.

I'd like to move on though since it really doesn't matter till we see who is scummy/not who is active/not then we can decide based on that.

move on too what?


We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?

On April 02 2014 04:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:14 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:07 mderg wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.


I more or less agree with this.


What are you agreeing with? There's plenty of stuff in there. Mayors don't matter? Cell4 should go first? Unreadable player cell first?

Is there even a cell here that you consider full of "unreadable players"? Same to you @prplhz.


Everything but Cell 4 going first, since I don´t know that much about the players in this game. This also answers the second question... I don´t know enough about the players to call any of them unreadable but I hope this changes as day1 progresses.


Why did you "more or less agree" if you aren't going to say what you disagree with to start with?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 20:10 GMT
#203
On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?

I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective.

~rayn

So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die.

I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it.
You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever).

But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.

~rayn


Exactly, and it should be fairly easy to decide as a group what the group order should be, and if the mayor doesn't do that then he dies.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 20:59 GMT
#260
We don't even need people campaigning just play normal...

@Geript
Can you expand on anything else about prplhz, do you think he's scum for that singular thing or is there anything else that makes you think he's scummy (not "he's opposing my mayor campaign" either)?

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 21:32 GMT
#281
On April 02 2014 06:22 getmoript wrote:
Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more:

VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
~g


Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away?

To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk.

You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell

1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance
2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter

and I disagree with both of them.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 01 2014 21:42 GMT
#290
On April 02 2014 06:37 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 06:32 Balla24 wrote:
On April 02 2014 06:22 getmoript wrote:
Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more:

VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
~g


Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away?

To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk.

You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell

1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance
2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter

and I disagree with both of them.

Honestly, is this just your "off" town game or are you scum here? Like I really can't see you having read prplhz's filter and think he's town here. Like you haven't bothered to explain even a soft townread on him and not in any way trusting my reads here is really suspect of you. I really can't wrap my head around it.


Where did I call him town or scum?

Also your VE meta read of him is BS because prplhz talked about setup early a bit as town in default suspicions, plus this is a new setup for everybody so obviously people are going to want to talk about that.

Why didn't you answer my questions and also do you actually have knowledge of my meta or are are you just randomly saying stuff, what do you mean by my "off" town game?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 02 2014 02:12 GMT
#489
On April 02 2014 11:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 10:54 Holyflare wrote:
On April 02 2014 10:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
On April 02 2014 10:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team.

Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier.

~rayn



I will read my group and am reading my group but posting about it today I find useless and if you don't want to do that thats your prerogative but I think its an awesome idea and I'm going to do it either way cause I think its way more townie to do so. I will give my reads come cell 2 lynch day.


Comment on what you think of mdergs. You just said we should auto lynch 100% scum and your read on him weighs into that.



I will not be commenting on what I think you or mderg's alignment is until its day 2's lynch day. I'm looking for scum elsewhere.


This is really stupid, just don't tunnel on your cell and play like a normal game just w/ the knowledge of 1 mafia per cell.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
April 02 2014 02:18 GMT
#493
@Gumshoe can you tell me what you think about mderg's filter so far? You seemed to hop on when he talked about steveling (because he answered something intended for someone else), but nothing else. What conclusion are you at right now on him?
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