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On March 26 2014 19:00 Holyflare wrote:
he has 2 points on thrawn
1) thrawn's point on rayn is "too absolute" which isn't the case if he read the meta that thrawn linked as reasoning because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid
2) didn't ask for reasoning - which is semi legit but was already posted by you ages ago
so his read is overlyjustified and based on something that he didn't read (point 1) and something that he sheeped if he read the thread (point 2), all he had to say was "i agree with rayn or hf" or w/e and it would be fine but he wrote a wall of text like that to say what already had been said
Regarding 1, I still see it as a valid point. And what do you mean with "because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid"? I don't get what you want so say with this.
Regarding 2, you mean this post, right? I missed that, my fault.
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On March 26 2014 19:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:16 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 19:00 Holyflare wrote:
he has 2 points on thrawn
1) thrawn's point on rayn is "too absolute" which isn't the case if he read the meta that thrawn linked as reasoning because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid
2) didn't ask for reasoning - which is semi legit but was already posted by you ages ago
so his read is overlyjustified and based on something that he didn't read (point 1) and something that he sheeped if he read the thread (point 2), all he had to say was "i agree with rayn or hf" or w/e and it would be fine but he wrote a wall of text like that to say what already had been said Regarding 1, I still see it as a valid point. And what do you mean with "because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid"? I don't get what you want so say with this. Regarding 2, you mean this post, right? I missed that, my fault. Number 1 is because thrawn EXPLAINS why he thinks like that with a quote from titanic and obs qt posts from another game which to anyone that isn't rayn or thrawn or me (you don't know what happened or anything) looks like a legitimate thing to say and if you had read it you would be unassuming and accept that as the blind truth. So why didn't you?
This is stupid, I would never accept something like this as a blind truth. The world isn't black and white. And yes I did read the quotes, does not change the fact that people are normally not that stubborn to always do one thing no matter what happens. Rayn not evaluating thrawns opinion/read because it differs from yours would be stupid and scummy in most cases.
Number 2 is rayn talking about thrawn not asking questions about his town read which he stated numerous times but you made extremely lengthy
so in total your first reason for voting thrawn is something that shows that you have not read the game or your scum read and the second reason implies you are sheeping without reading the game or you are writing at length about points that were already said
which is quite scummy
Yeah, actually, I even implied the same point earlier myself, here. I don't really know why I thought i needed to explain that point again, it just seemed important when I went through thrawns filter. But I agree it was unnecessary
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EBWOP "stupid and/or scummy"
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On March 26 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 19:01 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:okay shower time. play nice kids.  also vote for thrawn and where did Palmar go, his appereance was really weak. I'm wading through the pile of shit you and holyflare created. When you are done, if you think i created a pile of shit tell me how it is different from the "pile of shit" you and gumshoe created? ##Vote raynpolicy lynch for creating traps.
Are you serious about this vote? (you have not voted in the voting thread)
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On March 26 2014 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
phagga do you remember an instance when Palmar has not been serious about his vote?
Right from my memory, no.
It's just such a stupid vote that I thought it was a joke (since he did not vote in the voting thread), and then HF and marv both comment on how weak that vote was, and I started second guessing my judgement of it.
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On March 26 2014 21:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 21:25 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
phagga do you remember an instance when Palmar has not been serious about his vote? Right from my memory, no. It's just such a stupid vote that I thought it was a joke (since he did not vote in the voting thread), and then HF and marv both comment on how weak that vote was, and I started second guessing my judgement of it. I didn't comment on this i don't think?
Yeah, it was rayn, not you
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On March 26 2014 21:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar what do you think gumshoe's alignment is and how sure you are of it? probably town
Why do you think gumshoe is town?
@Marv
Why do you want to lynch Palmar?
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On March 26 2014 22:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 22:10 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 21:58 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 19:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar what do you think gumshoe's alignment is and how sure you are of it? probably town Why do you think gumshoe is town? @Marv Why do you want to lynch Palmar? I believe I asked a question first. You may not answer a question with a question.
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On March 26 2014 22:36 marvellosity wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/kx146zN.jpg)
I can't read half of what you've written on there.
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On March 26 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
Why aren't you lynching confirmed liar thrawn who called rayn mafia and voted him based on lying to then call him mafia again and subsequently ninja unvote rayn with no explanation? I asked you if you wanted to kill Palmar though. It wasn't an optional question.
do I understand it right that you want to kill Palmar because he has not commented on the rayn/HF thing and has generally not been very active in the last few hours despite being present?
oh, and the "I withhold my HF read"?
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On March 26 2014 22:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 22:40 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote:On March 26 2014 22:36 Holyflare wrote:
Why aren't you lynching confirmed liar thrawn who called rayn mafia and voted him based on lying to then call him mafia again and subsequently ninja unvote rayn with no explanation? I asked you if you wanted to kill Palmar though. It wasn't an optional question. do I understand it right that you want to kill Palmar because he has not commented on the rayn/HF thing and has generally not been very active in the last few hours despite being present? oh, and the "I withhold my HF read"? I haven't given any real reasons. I'm canvassing support for this lynch before I give reasons. Because marv. Reasons come later depending on whether I need to give them or not to get town to sheep me.
I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently.
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On March 26 2014 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
X axis is what plam wants from a scale of nothing to lots of things. Y axis is marv cares from 0 cares to wants to bum. The chart clearly indicates that palmar wants lots of things but marv has 0 cares
so plam is a nickname for palmar and to bum means... ? (my dictionary says it means something like "to hang around" - "to bum around", is that the correct usage here?)
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On March 26 2014 22:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 22:49 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
X axis is what plam wants from a scale of nothing to lots of things. Y axis is marv cares from 0 cares to wants to bum. The chart clearly indicates that palmar wants lots of things but marv has 0 cares so plam is a nickname for palmar and to bum means... ? (my dictionary says it means something like "to hang around" - "to bum around", is that the correct usage here?) Awkward... change "to bum" to "to have sex with"
oops.
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On March 27 2014 00:21 prplhz wrote:
Oh wait, you're still here? How about you comment on something instead of posting sad smilies?
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On March 27 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't feel so great about phagga (man this name is so inappropriate to say out loud)
Remember that my mother tongue is (swiss) german, so the proper pronounciation is to read "phag" like "slug" and not like "fag".
I don't feel all that great about you, but I'm not sure. You're definitely playing on a different level than foundations. You seem to care a bit more and if I were to meta it based off of 1 game together, I'd say that's scummy for you cause you posted a bunch of nonsensical bullshit on d1 in foundations and were very wishy washy on everything.
I just want to be sure I understand this right: Palmar was wishy washy and D1 in Foundations, and you think that was more to his town meta then what he does here?
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On March 27 2014 05:58 IAmRobik wrote:
At this rate, no one deserves to win the belt. Y'all are just clusterfucking up the thread with shit that's confusing the piss out of me.
Less meta. Less nonsense. More:
My town list is this:
My mafia list is this:
if you want to include a short explanation or a link to posts you've made about it, that's fine. But you guys are legitimately sitting here and recycling the same 5 fucking phrases over and over again. It's really stupid and annoying and it needs to stop. If you don't understand the cases that have been presented so far, then you'll never fucking understand them, cause they've been explained to such great fucking length at this point that a fucking 6 year old without an understanding of 1/2 the words that you use would fucking figure out who thinks who is town and scum.
up to page 35
rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn
HF - town for HF/rayn-argument
gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar
IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up
marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now
prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz
Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour
thrawn - scum
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On March 27 2014 10:57 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 10:36 thrawn2112 wrote:part 3 + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=24#464this reinforces my town read on rayn. it shows his thought process, like he's thinking about the game as a puzzle, which is how townies approach the game rather than scum who know alignments (page 25) I have a hard time believing marv is serious about this palmar vote. palmar seems kinda townie to me so far. also, marv is refusing to talk to palmar and is not explaining why he thinks palmar is mafia. he's playing it off like he's above having to do those things, but he isn't and he should know that. eh. but marv is just so casual about all of this. i dont know what to think about him atm. Ok, around pages 27-29 my reads on holyflare, palmar, and marv have flip flopped several times, most of it being related to associative tells based on hf and marv pointing out some questionable things that palmar said. So my reads on all 3 of them have weakend (except marv really, i've never had a real read on him) but the reads are still the same. I think i'm losing my townread on phagga. he asked some reasonable stuff at the beginning but he's barely around, and hardly around for very long. it's not very difficult for scum to only say smart things if they don't actually say very many things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=30#591lol, prplhz is still hilarious and I still think he's town. the only way he's mafia is if he's going for the "let's only do things and post things that everyone will think is too scummy to be scum" plan gumshoe comes in around pages 32/33 and sorta defends me and i'm not sure how I feel about it. i think this ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=33#658 ) post might be the tipping point, the point where's he's defending me too hard. my problem with gum's position is that it doesn't seem like he's wondering if I could be mafia, he's only seeing things from town-thrawn's PoV. He should at least TRY to see if there is a scum thrawn PoV. sooo scum points for gumshoe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=34#662then gumshoe caves in and starts scumreading me... was that all it took? he spent two pages defending me and suddenly he flips his read because of a meta statement from rayn that gumshow ust took for granted? I presented a meta argument in your favour to counter the meta one against you. When my reasoning was over turned I conceded for the moment, but I was by no means prepared to completely wright you off as scum and was still eager to hear you out. Do you think that makes me scummy? In regards to your question palmar, main thing was that phagga jumped on robik ( a player known to form early reads) for his early generic town read of rayn, yet later when queried by holy he provides his own bland town read of Rayn o-o. Which gives me the impression he was jumping on a weak player as opposed to finding scum. Annd that's a wrap for me, night town gl.
Can you please elaborate on the bolded part?
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On March 27 2014 17:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote:
Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour
What AM I doing? This is the most blanket statement read I have ever seen, there is literally not a single word of actual content in here.
You have been bickering with Marv and never tried to put your thoughts into the thread. You were useless over several pages, and that's not how you play as town.
Also I completely agree with marvs case on you.
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On March 27 2014 18:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 18:12 phagga wrote:On March 27 2014 17:21 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote:
Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour
What AM I doing? This is the most blanket statement read I have ever seen, there is literally not a single word of actual content in here. You have been bickering with Marv and never tried to put your thoughts into the thread. You were useless over several pages, and that's not how you play as town. Also I completely agree with marvs case on you. you aren';t factoring his "i haven't read my role PM claim"? if it's true then marv's case literally counts for nothing. if he hasn;t read his PM then the only way you can reasonably call palmar mafia is if you do it by PoE
If his claim is true, should it not be in his interest to play like he was town? In case he's town, he did his job; in case he is mafia, he looks good. I mean, that would be the reason why you don't read your PM in the first place, I assume?
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On March 27 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:
wait wtf rayn isn't even voting for thrawn anymore!??!!?!
He basically ragequit the day because of prplhz.
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