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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 24 2014 13:05 GMT
#102
/in

I hope this game is going to be fun (and start at some point) !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 26 2014 09:33 GMT
#133
When can we expect this game to start ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 29 2014 19:02 GMT
#163
In case I roll mafia, I'm going to say that my week-end is going to be really busy in about one hour...
I have to pick up some girls at the airport and bring them to a friend's party. Then tomorrow after I hope a crazy night, I should visit Paris with the girls.
So yeah see you on monday, unless I roll town
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 18:21 GMT
#479
Hi guyz !
I'm back home and catching up !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:01 GMT
#504
On March 31 2014 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is one person who can meta me and they are not in this game so your question is useless poofer.


What if he is trying to ask me this question to get me talking, see where I am in my thought process, and try to infer my alignment from there ?
Would you be a little happier if I'm telling you I'm down with you to lynch Slam ? Because I feel like you could use a little love right now

And here are my reasons to lynch Slam.
  • Good policy lynch => less trolling, less spam, and I'm not able to determine his alignment.
  • VT claim and survivor claim => I don't think such roles exist in this game. I think everyone got a role (even a small one) in this heavily themed game, so I suspect both claims to be lies
  • Even if he's town, I don't think like he would help us solve the game anyway (sorry Slam, but I would be glad if you prove me wrong)


## vote Slam

I understand that it would be more difficult to scumhunt if we decide to lynch Slam now, but I really think the discussion is not going to end here and I'm open to change my vote to pressure anyone else if needed.

My answer to Poofer incoming.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:08 GMT
#508
On March 31 2014 03:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Djo once you're done catching up how do you feel about rayn's this game in comparison to last game we all played (titanic) or previous games?

This question also is good for Vivax/hopeless/thrawn but I don't think tehy're around atm.


@poff

In comparison to Titanic's game, rayn seems to be in a different emotional state... he looks definitively butt hurt now.
But I think it's similar to what happened when Coag posted his seal last game, i.e. Coag or Toad getting "confirmed" town in rayn's view but abusing the rules of the game.
The good thing is that he keeps on posting in the thread for the moment (I think he is still concerned with the game, regardless what he is claiming) and I hope he can lighten up his mood so we have a better thread atmosphere.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:24 GMT
#522
On March 31 2014 03:56 Vivax wrote:
What if there's a traitor in the game and he can claim survivor cause town doesn't know that it's possible?


@Vivax

Hey Vivax, it's the week-end so how about you post a little more to prove us you're not the one to lynch this time again ?
I hereby summon you ! Got some reads to share ?

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:33 GMT
#531
On March 30 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 08:24 Amiko wrote:
I'm back around and can talk.

@Alakaslam: Does your phone recognize the word chupazi?
@gumshoe: I am a good companion but I don't really have curves...
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Oh, my, god. Contest is done. Just gonna be you me and space from now on ( : wanna go see a lava planet?


@gumshoe

So it's Amiko for sure then ? If not, let me tell you that I could be a very generous companion.
Please tell me your wildest dream !
Please also tell me if you care about this game or not
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:43 GMT
#533
On March 30 2014 16:30 Toadesstern wrote:
OH btw, there's one thing I forgot and I think it's better of as public knowledge

I don't actually have a vote. Or rather I have one but it doesn't count. I still have to vote though.

Got a bunch of reasons for telling you guys but the obvious one being to not have confusion and I really don't want to end up in a situation where everyone's like "duh, already a majority, don't need my vote, right?" and people don't know about this and suddenly someone else gets lynched.
So keep that in mind.


This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:51 GMT
#537
On March 31 2014 04:44 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:
On March 30 2014 16:30 Toadesstern wrote:
OH btw, there's one thing I forgot and I think it's better of as public knowledge

I don't actually have a vote. Or rather I have one but it doesn't count. I still have to vote though.

Got a bunch of reasons for telling you guys but the obvious one being to not have confusion and I really don't want to end up in a situation where everyone's like "duh, already a majority, don't need my vote, right?" and people don't know about this and suddenly someone else gets lynched.
So keep that in mind.


This post from Toad makes me really think he is town. It looks genuine and he is not afraid to post something which could be turned against him, even if I would rather say that him being unable to vote is rather townish here. Usually the power of town lie in the votes (having the majority of them), but I don't think it's necessarily the case in this game.

Toad has been copping out too

I massively disagree


What do you mean by cop-out ? Sorry but I'm not a native speaker. This is also why it's more difficult for me to understand your posts so maybe you come more trolly and spammy than you should to me but you do, and after the last game we played together I don't mind to policy lynch you.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 19:58 GMT
#541
Amiko looking decently town for me. Researching about the lore and even checking previous game, looks like he is investing a lot of time in this game to figure it out. I like it.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 20:04 GMT
#544
On March 31 2014 04:56 Amiko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 04:51 Djodref wrote:
What do you mean by cop-out ?


I understand "copping out" as posting noncommittally or refusing to take responsibility.

Like, if I said "let's all massclaim" and then when it kills everyone said "well it was rayn's idea so it's not my fault" I'd be copping out because I am not taking responsibility for encouraging the idea.

If he means it differently he can say so though


Ok thanks !
About mass claiming, I don't like it. I think it would remove the fun from the game and I would prefer have some surprises. Also there might be a risk that scum could use it at his advantage.
I think we would abuse the setup if we solve the game by mass claiming, so I'm not in...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 30 2014 20:15 GMT
#545
That being said, I would like Slam to fully claim. His win condition, his role name, his powers (if he has some).
I think there is no rule against it as long as he paraphrases a little, maybe even he doesn't need to.

@Slam
Do you have any reasonable powers (not like 10KP for example) you could use for the town ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 08:55 GMT
#682
On March 31 2014 13:27 JarJarDrinks wrote:
[snip]

tehpoof - it's been kinda mentioned, but this really sounds like a scumslip to me
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
On March 31 2014 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush lynching a third faction has nothing to do with scumhunting.


I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia.

like my first thought after reading alaskas claim was "What if he's lying?" poofter doesn't even seem to consider it. Which is even stranger since he had a pretty strong scumread on alaska to begin with:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote:
So Things I know about Alakaslam:

1) He says he loves being mafia errr cyberman.
2) Based on the huge sample size of 1 game I've played with Slam he posted never as town.


He seems happy and has posted more in 14 pages than he did in 200+ pages last game as town.
Clear mafia here!!! WE GOT EM BOYS!!!

## Vote: Alakaslam


Like, how does he go from that to "Oh ur 3rd party? ok lets lynch rayn for pushing you!" ???

More tomorrow.


I don't like JarJar at the moment. His analysis of poof is misinterpreting what really happened.
The so-called "slip" of poof is totally reasonable because rayn was pushing slam lynch while using "we should lynch the survivor" argument the most. The way rayn is bringing this up, poof has totally the right to call him "the guy wanting to kill not mafia". He is not speaking about Slam here, but about his perception of rayn's play.
On top of that, JarJar is nitpicking poof filter to point out some contradiction, but the post is quoted is one of the first posts made into this game and is hardly irrelevant.
tl;dr
JarJar is misinterpreting what happened in the thread, and also nit picking filters to look like he is scumhunting.
JarJar is likely scum.

##unvote
##vote JarJar


Who is in this with me ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 09:20 GMT
#687
On March 31 2014 18:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
see rayn? i think most things djo has done except the possible blue slip are scummy. his entire case on jarjar is a soft defense of tehpoofter which is how lots of scum make cases


Could we agree on the fact that JarJar quoted one of the very first post of poof, which was not very relevant when it was posted in the course of the thread, to point out a contradiction which doesn't exist ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 09:28 GMT
#690
I'm gonna watch the SPL playoffs now so don't hesitate to shoot questions for me in the meantime.
I'll address them in the breaks or when it's finished
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 10:19 GMT
#696
On March 31 2014 18:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
@DJO I'm interested in what you read on Austin/Hopeless is?


Regarding austin, I would like him to interact with more people than Slam and thrawn. I like the fact that he doesn't believe the survivor claim. I don't have problems with him questioning your alignment. But I need more posts from him. I would say slightly town for Austin.
@austin
What were your motivations to interact with Slam ?

I believe myself Slam is 3P, but not such thing as simple as a survivor. Again, I would like him to claim his exact wincon. But that's not the topic.

Regarding Hopeless, he looks disgruntled by the direction this game is taking for this first day (i.e. a lynch on Slam) and he is openly not putting much effort into the game for now. I could see town Hopeless doing that for various reasons. But it's also easy to do this as scum. So null for the moment on Hopeless, and I hope he can step up a little in the future. I don't mind him playing like this at the moment.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 14:15 GMT
#725
@ JarJar

On March 30 2014 12:20 Tehpoofter wrote:
So Things I know about Alakaslam:

1) He says he loves being mafia errr cyberman.
2) Based on the huge sample size of 1 game I've played with Slam he posted never as town.


He seems happy and has posted more in 14 pages than he did in 200+ pages last game as town.
Clear mafia here!!! WE GOT EM BOYS!!!

## Vote: Alakaslam



On March 30 2014 12:33 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Thrawn why vote slam? I mean I did pretty much make the best case that has ever or will ever be created in the history of man but you didn't even quote it here to praise me for my amazingness..... Please explain.


Doesn't look like a real vote to me... Just look at how he described his case himself after voting.
The other thing is that poof came back to the thread and then changed his approach of the game (i.e the focus on rayn). It's reasonable to change your target while the thread is evolving, so I think your point against poof is not valid.

Regarding the slip, I've read it again and yeah, my bad, it could be seen as a slip. But I don't think poof is mafia...

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 14:27 GMT
#729
I don't want to lynch either of you for the moment, could we all have a reasonable discussion so we can sort things out.
For example, can we try to avoid this kind of posts

On March 31 2014 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes kitaman is mafia.

I am so sure of it i can lynch him over Slam. If i am wrong you can lynch me next.


I like the point kita just mentioned, but it's not enough to be sure rayn is mafia... Also I need to check his filter again to see if it's not far-fetched.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 14:53 GMT
#751
I don't like rayn OMGUS reaction to kita's case. It seems disproportionate, kita didn't even vote him yet and his point about the lack of follow-up is correct. But I'm not sold on rayn being mafia. I don't understand why he would react like that though. I don't believe kita is mafia and it's difficult for me to imagine anyone being 100% sure that he would be mafia. Slam is still a better lynch.
My vote on JarJar was a pressure vote by the way. I'm confused now...

##unvote
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 14:59 GMT
#755
On March 31 2014 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 23:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 31 2014 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 31 2014 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 30 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am now telling everyone that survivor claims should always be lynched unless there is 100% scum because:
1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming
2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping"

Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed.
So um... WTF are you doing rayn?

I said if there is not sure mafia we should lynch Slam.
Now there is sure mafia. I give you guarantee.

He's not guaranteed mafia.

Yes he is, i guarantee you. If you don't think he is mafia then lynch me you can lynch kita on D2.
Or then you can ignore everything on D2 and lose the game and i call you all bad post game because you refused to lynch the survivor claim and obv-scum when Slam joints with mafia and you lose the game because of it (this sentence is for all the players, not just for you).


That's not how you convince people to lynch somebody with you. Could you make me a bullet list why your strongest arguments for a scum kita ? I need to be 100% convinced.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 15:01 GMT
#756
well that escalated quickly...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 15:07 GMT
#759
On April 01 2014 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
p.s. rayn revoted kita


By the way, you lynch rayn over Slam ? Are you really happy with this ?
You look quite an opportunist here !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 15:19 GMT
#768
On April 01 2014 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is going to be my last post. Maybe i'll rub some salt into your wounds and come back and claim 5min before the deadline, just to tell how dumb you are.


Yep, that's a perfect way to show you are town, refuse to post.


So, do you want to lynch rayn or not ? You didn't vote him yet, who are you looking at at the moment then ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 16:11 GMT
#785
I'm gonna have to go to a dinner with friends soon, I think I'm going to be busy at deadline. I don't like a rayn lynch, I don't think kita is scum.
I'm copping out and voting Slam. I don't see a better option right now.
@rayn
gumshoe is inactive, he is totally null, I hope someone shoots him if he keeps up playing like this. But I don't see how you can have him as scum. You could propose a policy lynch on him at best.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 16:12 GMT
#786
oh and I forgot

##vote Slam
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 18:51 GMT
#856
Just quickly I have no problem to move the lynch on gumshoe for policy if you guys agree on this.
I'll be checking the voting thread on my phone.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 31 2014 19:29 GMT
#868
I also prefer slam over gumshoe, but I'm ok to make concessions with austin, kush and ? so we can have enough people.to avoid a rayn/kita lynch
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 08:47 GMT
#1082
I feel bad about rayn's lynch. I don't understand how he end up being lynched seriously. I think we should have lynched Slam or gumshoe instead, and we were enough people not liking this lynch.
By the way, Slam is very very likely 3P according to what he posted in the Catastrophe mafia thread, but I don't want to talk about him anymore. We are not lynching him, but we are getting to get rid of him one way or one other.

@Hopeless
How do you feel now ? Should we carry on with your plan ?

@kush
Where the fuck are you ?

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 08:48 GMT
#1084
On April 01 2014 17:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i am bored and drunk, but oh well.

what I do know of dr who (i've watched like 1.5 seasons) makes me think that maybe scum's wincon is to convert all of us into them or reach a point where nothing can prevent that from happening?

hopefully that is the case because then everyone can win if town's bad enough!

anyways, anyone want to chat?


I'm here and I regret to not have been more present yesterday...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 08:55 GMT
#1087
On April 01 2014 17:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
@djo if you were more present yesterday what do you think you would ahve pushed more?


I think we could have a lynch on gumshoe, I think JarJar, Vivax and me should have moved onto him. Austin did not want to lynch Slam and had too much presence in the thread.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 09:15 GMT
#1092
On April 01 2014 17:58 Tehpoofter wrote:
@djo what do you think about austin's case on me? Who would be your biggest scum reads atm? and like top three town reads.

Thrawn I'd love to hear your answers to this too. I'll do mine as well.


My biggest scum read at the moment would be hopeless because I find his vote on rayn very opportunistic. I doubt Hopeless really believed rayn to be mafia, and I didn't like him adding fuel to the 1:1 trading situation.

My three biggest town reads are thrawn, austin and JJD.
thrawn because of his activity and him asking questions here and there, being part of the discussions (easy meta read on thrawn).
I think austin is town because he didn't like the rayn lynch, was trying to set up other lynches (gumshoe and yours) and was very active before and after the lynch yesterday. austin feels also very different than from the last game we played together.
I changed my mind about JJD, I didn't like his first posts but he was also not sold on the rayn/kita 1:1 and was active and present in the thread before the lynch to argue for Slam lynch.

I need to take a second look at all the people who were voting rayn and I need to read again austin case on you.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 09:18 GMT
#1094
Oh and yeah, I really think JJD is town because of the slips arguments. I don't think you come with these kind of arguments when you're are mafia. I really believe that JJD is looking for these kind of slips in other players filters.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 09:31 GMT
#1099
On April 01 2014 18:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote:
On March 31 2014 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush lynching a third faction has nothing to do with scumhunting.


I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia.


this is the other "slip" that JJD found btw. He pointed it out in the first post not sure which slip you meant thrawn I was assuming the 2nd one but this is the other one DJO was referring to that JJD referenced.


I think this one is hardly relevant The one you quoted above is though
But both of these posts shows that JJD is actively looking and paying attention to potential scumslips, which is rather a townie thing to do.
What do you think about this poof ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 23:21 GMT
#1219
There is no way we blindly sheep dead rayn. You guys should first provide some arguments to show that kita is scum before discussing about his lynch.
Good thing JJD got a nuke. Now I'm waiting for him to launch it on Slam.
Also, to answer austin, I removed Amiko and Toad from my top town reads because they were on rayn lynch, and it's difficult for me to understand how you could decide to lynch rayn yesterday.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 23:21 GMT
#1221
On April 02 2014 08:14 kushm4sta wrote:
hi alaka what's up. so are you third party? did we figure that shit out yet?


We don't care, he's getting nuked.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 23:25 GMT
#1222
@ Hopeless

Do you think that kita is scum at the moment ? Did you finish to read his filter ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 01 2014 23:34 GMT
#1228
1) I remember that Toad thought rayn was scum. I'm not sure at which point he said this exactly though. The thing is he was not there or didn't do anything to prevent rayn's lynch. And I think maybe he could have done it. So yeah, I'm going to focus my attention on Toad this cycle.

2) That's right, I'm a little wary of kush and hopeless this cycle. kita looks really decent for me at the moment. I liked his argument that scum kita (or any scum I would say) wouldn't push a rayn lynch. It would be a really ballsy move with a possibility for backfire. Hopeless just posted a very reasonable post last page, but I cannot get rid of the feeling that his vote looked opportunistic. Kush was not there, and I don't remember what he has done this game yet, so maybe he's trying to fly under the radar.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 19:47 GMT
#1434
I'm here !
I have some pages to read but I'd like just to know if kush just insta vigged gumshoe just a few moments ago ?
Also, did you nuke Slam yet JJD ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 20:01 GMT
#1448
...
gg gumshoe, I guess...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 20:02 GMT
#1453
On April 03 2014 05:01 Vivax wrote:
was that a vig kill?


Yeah, kush insta-vigged him because he fakeclaimed using kush real name.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 20:05 GMT
#1458
At least I'm not going to worry about kush for today at all
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 20:25 GMT
#1465
On April 03 2014 05:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
I cant fathom wtf gumshoe was thinking. Whatever, kush confirmed town imo, amiko is pretty goddamn likely town. i'd like to lynch JJD or Toad.

Toad because he keeps saying stuff like "i havent read that yet" but he's all up in thrawns grill for his read on rayn.


@Hopeless

I really liked this post of yours+ Show Spoiler +
On April 02 2014 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On April 02 2014 08:15 Amiko wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
I thought Vivax was asking why lynch kita instead of lynching slam today.


You may be right and that could be Vivax's question.

But, could you answer the question I thought asked?

( for ease: )
Your preference was to lynch rayn. If rayn flips town, vig and next lynch take care of slam & kita.
Vivax's question is, why not lynch slam and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & kita?
Or, why not lynch kita and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & slam?


I think there is a straightforward answer anyway but eh maybe you'll surprise me


I preferred to lynch rayn partially for "information" purposes, the wagons and peoples reads etc, and partially because I was more inclined to believe he was being a huge bully, creating a toxic environment and refusing to do anything productive. As it turns out rayn is just as capable of being demoralized as anyone else, but I guess I just hold him to a higher standard than other players.

Slam imo is a bad lynch because he's likely 3rd party. You're never going to get a useful discussion surrounding his alignment. That meant that for me the lynch was between kita and rayn, and at least on D1 I thought rayn was scummier and worth lynching.

which made me reconsider a little my scumread about you.

Could you tell me more about Toad ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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April 02 2014 20:51 GMT
#1468
Well, he could have rolled mafia and still had a discussion with Foolish about this game like, "what could be a good opening ?"
I find quite suspicious that Toad is going after thrawn because thrawn is playing to his town standards, i.e posting a lot and participating in the on-going discussions of the thread. I don't know if his scum meta changed that much, but I believe that scum thrawn wouldn't post that much, and I think Toad should know it as well.
What do you think about the fact that he seemed to forget about you ?

Regarding the possible snipes and who has been successfully protected or not, I think we should not pay attention to that at all given that we have no notifications. Maybe there are also only conversions in this game, I think there could be plenty of reasons for a no night kill.

I'm going to vote Toad because I want more from him today. I'll be happy if you join me.

## vote Toad
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 20:55 GMT
#1469
On April 03 2014 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote:
k u can tell us now. u scum?


What's this going to be? If scum assumes you aren't just 1-shot they convert you and have a vig. Had you thought a little more you would have said you were one-shot. But maybe you want to be converted, fuck knows. I for one know that past this day you will have to use your powers much more in accordance with town as to get away that possibility, ie vigs out of the blue or stuff like that are a reason to lynch you.


Kush is totally not to blame here. Gumshoe didn't participate at all and suddenly he claims while using a fakeclaim with kush's name. He was caught lying and even yourself ended up wanting to lynch him.
How can you reproach kush to have vigged gumshoe ? You wanted to get rid of him ??
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 21:00 GMT
#1472
On April 03 2014 05:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:55 Djodref wrote:
On April 03 2014 05:48 Vivax wrote:
On April 03 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote:
k u can tell us now. u scum?


What's this going to be? If scum assumes you aren't just 1-shot they convert you and have a vig. Had you thought a little more you would have said you were one-shot. But maybe you want to be converted, fuck knows. I for one know that past this day you will have to use your powers much more in accordance with town as to get away that possibility, ie vigs out of the blue or stuff like that are a reason to lynch you.


Kush is totally not to blame here. Gumshoe didn't participate at all and suddenly he claims while using a fakeclaim with kush's name. He was caught lying and even yourself ended up wanting to lynch him.
How can you reproach kush to have vigged gumshoe ? You wanted to get rid of him ??


I'm not reproaching him for shooting gum. I'm saying he should have claimed to be 1-shot vig to be a less attractive target for converters.


My bad
I misunderstood what you meant...
Would you like to lynch Toad by the way ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 21:17 GMT
#1476
Hey guyz !
What do you think about Toad ? Would you consider lynching him today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 21:18 GMT
#1478
EBWOP

this message was addressed mainly at kush and Vivax, because it looks like they are present in the thread at the moment.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 21:27 GMT
#1485
@Amiko

Please don't try to figure out why mafia would have hit you, it's a waste of time. For a start, you cannot be sure that anybody was actually trying to kill you N1 because... no notifications this game
You can be honored that gumshoe tried to protect you.

But you should focus on the lynch target for today, so hum, what do you think about Toad ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 21:34 GMT
#1490
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 03 2014 06:25 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 06:17 Djodref wrote:
Hey guyz !
What do you think about Toad ? Would you consider lynching him today ?


Rather not atm, what do you think about what he posted on thrawn here?

Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 04:27 Toadesstern wrote:
On April 01 2014 04:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys, fyi i wont be here till 30 min before deadline

i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn.

as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that


I wouldn't mind lynching thrawn just for that post to be honest. Not that I have any power to get someone lynched in the first place.

I still feel good about the rayn lynch as in I think he's mafia but I do have some lingering fears and this post is exactly what it's feeling like, which also is the reason I'd still prefere the hopeless lynch.
Thrawn saying rayn is 100% certain town, saying that kita should be mafia because of that in any normal situation but isn't in this because it makes sense in this situation according to him despite being 100% certain himself that rayn is town right now.

Imo looks like someone setting himself up for next cycle which is what I meant with I'm scared. Could be paranoia but I really don't think that's something a town-thrawn would be posting. At all.



@ Vivax

Regardless of Toad alignment, I have the feeling that Toad didn't understand what thrawn was saying in his post.
But there are two things I don't like in this post.
  • Toad was feeling good about rayn's lynch
  • Toad strongly and quickly attacked thrawn

"I really don't think that's something a town-thrawn would be posting. At all." That comes too strong of an assertion for me.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 22:12 GMT
#1498
@ Amiko

The thing is, Toad had Hopeless has scum, and for a long time (from the beginning of the game until rayn's lynch, because he still mentions hopeless as a better lynch in his post), but did you feel like he was really trying to convince people to vote Hopeless ? It's very convenient to have a scumread on Hopeless as mafia because Hopeless is scummy (if we assume here Toad mafia and Hope town). But you don't really want him lynched, you prefer to have him until lylo of this kind of situation.
Toad had Hopeless as scum almost for all D1 and didn't try to push a lynch on him. He was ok with rayn lynch.
Despite having Hopeless as scum for D1, it looks like he forgot about it N1 and D2.
Plus, Toad is not really playing.

I think these reasons are good enough to vote him.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 23:08 GMT
#1501
On April 03 2014 08:02 Vivax wrote:
This isn't even about you defending thrawn cause you actually can claim you aren't since you simply have shown why you disagree with Toad's case. But the point of it is that in all of this I don't see how you come to the conclusion that Toad could be scum.


What about my arguments then ?
Hopeless has been Toad's scumread but...
Toad didn't push Hopeless lynch D1. Toad forgot about Hopeless since rayn's lynch. Toad is barely playing.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 23:26 GMT
#1511
On April 03 2014 08:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Hopeless, U gonna be around for a few? I'd like to ask you about something and I'd prefer u answer right away if possible.


Don't forget to nuke slam... I think today is the best. I don't want you to be blocked or whatever could happen at night.
The sooner the better, unless you have better targets ?
In this case, please share them I don't want you to nuke kita though !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 23:36 GMT
#1520
On April 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 08:08 Djodref wrote:
On April 03 2014 08:02 Vivax wrote:
This isn't even about you defending thrawn cause you actually can claim you aren't since you simply have shown why you disagree with Toad's case. But the point of it is that in all of this I don't see how you come to the conclusion that Toad could be scum.


What about my arguments then ?
Hopeless has been Toad's scumread but...
Toad didn't push Hopeless lynch D1. Toad forgot about Hopeless since rayn's lynch. Toad is barely playing.


Toad doesn't have a vote.

Or maybe kush stole his vote.

All arguments I see as of now against him are 1. activity 2. he didn't push hopeless enough for your liking 3. some conclusion-less observations from hopeless which are more about his arguments on others rather than why he should be scum

Until he gets in here and goes through my hermeneutic endless circle of being questioned to death until I'm satisfied I'm not scumreading him for that.


Well, you should know that activity is a big tell
Regarding point number 2, it seems to me yesterday that a lot of people wanted to lynch Slam or gumshoe by default, and would have been glad to welcome a nice case on Hopeless. I think Toad is perfectly able to push a lynch, and I'm expecting town Toad to argue his Hopeless lynch against rayn lynch.
So that's why he didn't push it enough for my liking. Town was looking for scum yesterday, and for example I feel right now I couldn't stop rayn lynch because of the lack of credible alternatives. A policy lynch on Slam or gumshoe was less attractive...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 23:43 GMT
#1522
On April 03 2014 08:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
so, whats the word jjd? you gonna nuke me?



Do you propose a 1:1 for you and JJD ?
(please don't it's a joke)
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 02 2014 23:57 GMT
#1531
I'm going to sleep soon guyz, but I'll be here for 10 minutes before heading to bed (actually I'm already on my bed).
Anything you wanna ask, please do it now.
Please pressure Toad if he pops up in the thread when you are around. Please nuke Slam.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 00:11 GMT
#1537
On April 03 2014 08:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 08:57 Djodref wrote:
I'm going to sleep soon guyz, but I'll be here for 10 minutes before heading to bed (actually I'm already on my bed).
Anything you wanna ask, please do it now.
Please pressure Toad if he pops up in the thread when you are around. Please nuke Slam.


Yeah, may I ask if you get what my beef is with hopeless' play or am I just seeing things?Did you form a read on him yet?


During last night, I believed he was scum, but I think he's too obvious to be a real scum. Of course he is scummy, but he usually is. There are some posts I like from him, and his activity is correct.
Also thrawn is kinda vouching for him, and they have been playing together for some time, so I don't want to worry too much about him yet.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 11:16 GMT
#1612
On April 03 2014 20:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
@DJO, Kita hopeless toad Do you think gum got a save on amiko? or do you think something else occurred?


@austin you really think slam is going to flip town o.0?

@Slam RIP bro good playing with you!

@whoever gives out inventions: I want one!


I personally don't think that amiko was targeted, so he was not saved imo, but there could be plenty of reasons for which there was no NK (no KP for mafia, hitting a vet, forgetting the NK, anything really), so I don't think you should bother with that.

Toad, if you still around, I would like you to make a case on Hopeless. Otherwise your latest posts didn't impress me so I'm going to stay with my vote on you.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 16:34 GMT
#1633
The lynch is in less than 5 hours and it doesn't seem like we have lynch targets to consolidate on...
Now would be a good time to drop some votes folks !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 17:21 GMT
#1662
On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On April 04 2014 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hope, what led you to this vote compared to when I asked last night?

Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance.


I'm not gonna move my vote from Toad, and we would be three of us if you vote him, meaning we need only to convince one or two people to lynch him. Come on !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:12 GMT
#1695
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.

I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:17 GMT
#1697
I'd lynch Toad but I don't mind to consolidate on Hopeless if it can avoid Vivax lynch. That's my position for today
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:24 GMT
#1699
On April 04 2014 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.

I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please !
What bits of the reaction look very townie to you?

HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS?


This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment.

On April 03 2014 04:33 Vivax wrote:
Lol gumshoe you're so fucked


Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out.

On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability?


On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.-


Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town.



Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:33 GMT
#1708
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 04 2014 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:24 Djodref wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.

I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please !
What bits of the reaction look very townie to you?

HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS?


This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment.

On April 03 2014 04:33 Vivax wrote:
Lol gumshoe you're so fucked


Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out.

On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability?


On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.-


Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town.



Alternatively Vivax wants to know if he should convert Kush?

@Hopeless

I don't think mafia would be that obvious. I liked Vivax explanations on this here.
On April 03 2014 05:48 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote:
k u can tell us now. u scum?


What's this going to be? If scum assumes you aren't just 1-shot they convert you and have a vig. Had you thought a little more you would have said you were one-shot. But maybe you want to be converted, fuck knows. I for one know that past this day you will have to use your powers much more in accordance with town as to get away that possibility, ie vigs out of the blue or stuff like that are a reason to lynch you.


Vivax cares if one power roles is going to get converted or not. I feel he really wanted kush to claim 1-shot. And now he resents kush for not doing it, and being a potential conversion for the mafia.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:43 GMT
#1715
@ Hopeless

Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:48 GMT
#1721
On April 04 2014 04:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:
@ Hopeless

Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ?

I didnt think Toad would get lynched. At this point I'm probaly gonna get lynched.


Are you town ?
Do you have anything to claim ?
I'm going to vote you. This is your last chance to change my mind.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:52 GMT
#1726
lol thrawn, you wanna lynch kita instead ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:56 GMT
#1730
Hey, kita !
I don't want yesterday to happen again, I mean I don't want Vivax to be lynch and the rest of the voters to be spread on other targets. Because I think he is town.
I don't feel like I have enough traction to lynch Toad, so shall we reach a consensus and lynch Hopeless instead today ?
I think there is a good momentum to consolidate on Hopeless now !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 19:57 GMT
#1735
EBWOP
##vote Hopeless
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:02 GMT
#1746
On April 04 2014 04:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:48 Djodref wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:
@ Hopeless

Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ?

I didnt think Toad would get lynched. At this point I'm probaly gonna get lynched.


Are you town ?
Do you have anything to claim ?
I'm going to vote you. This is your last chance to change my mind.

Here's the real reason i wanted ot lynch vivax:
I'm a modified watcher

A targetted B
Vivax Targetted B

I know the role name of A.

I do not actually know who A is or who A targetted.


I don't understand how your power can be useful...
You watched Vivax yesterday and you get the name of the guy who is targeting the same guy as Vivax ?
Did you breadcrumb anything ? Why do you think Vivax is maf given your results ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:04 GMT
#1748
Hey Vivax, did you target anyone yesterday ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:05 GMT
#1750
Mmm, maybe we should wait for the full role from Hopeless first.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:08 GMT
#1758
On April 04 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Guys, let's get back to business for a moment while hopeless thinks what he should write. We need a lynch, hopeless is out of question for today imo. Kita or Toad pick one.


Why would he be out of the question ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:15 GMT
#1767
wow thrawn !
What's the ninja vote on kita ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:17 GMT
#1773
On April 04 2014 05:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Is it implying that vivax and rose targetted the same person?


Yeah, that's exactly what he says
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:18 GMT
#1774
It doesn't make any sense...
My vote stays where it is
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:23 GMT
#1780
On April 04 2014 05:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Actually vivax already admitted to targetting someone. I vote that he says who it was.

thoughts?


Well, if you both targeted the same person, Hopeless i somehow cleared, if you didn't, we can lynch him without remorse. But it's Vivax decision at the end.
Hopeless, did you hint somewhere in your filter that your power sucked ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:29 GMT
#1790
Shall we lynch Toad then ?
I doubt scum would have such a poor fakeclaim...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:31 GMT
#1796
On April 04 2014 05:24 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, I'm Rose. Vivax did you target someone?


awww, I found my daughter :3


And is this a claim as well ?
Isn't the father of Rose supposed to be dead ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:35 GMT
#1802
On April 04 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:23 Djodref wrote:
On April 04 2014 05:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Actually vivax already admitted to targetting someone. I vote that he says who it was.

thoughts?


Well, if you both targeted the same person, Hopeless i somehow cleared, if you didn't, we can lynch him without remorse. But it's Vivax decision at the end.
You seem really confident that Vivax and I are both town.


Well, you just have to be both not scum and if you claim your targets together Hopeless is cleared.
I don't believe both of you are scum.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:38 GMT
#1808
Ok, here is my chance to lynch Toad.
##unvote
##vote Toad
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:41 GMT
#1820
On April 04 2014 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:35 Djodref wrote:
On April 04 2014 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 04 2014 05:23 Djodref wrote:
On April 04 2014 05:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Actually vivax already admitted to targetting someone. I vote that he says who it was.

thoughts?


Well, if you both targeted the same person, Hopeless i somehow cleared, if you didn't, we can lynch him without remorse. But it's Vivax decision at the end.
You seem really confident that Vivax and I are both town.


Well, you just have to be both not scum and if you claim your targets together Hopeless is cleared.
I don't believe both of you are scum.
U say if our targets are different then we can lynch [hopeless] without remorse. Well if vivax reveals his target and I say it doesn't match then what is preventing vivax from being scum?


I don't believe vivax is scum because of his reaction when gumshoe fakeclaimed.
Also, his activity is way better than the one he had the last game we played together when he was scum.
But I see your point now. The thing is if he is lying then we can lynch him tomorrow anyway, not a good trade for scum.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:43 GMT
#1826
On April 04 2014 05:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
bah this role claim stuff would happen while I'm commuting and starting work....

@DJO why do you think djo's role is maf sided?

##unvote
##vote kitaman


I'm not convinced any of the roles have to be blue even toads but if town lynches a third straight blue we're pretty much SoL.


I don't like the timing of Toad claim at all. I don't believe his claim as well.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:45 GMT
#1828
Vivax could you please tell who you targeted ?
If it doesn't match with JJD, we can safely lynch Hopeless. I don't understand why you would retain this info ?!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:47 GMT
#1832
VIVAX, WHO DID YOU TARGET LAST NIGHT ?
OR JJD, WHY DON'T YOU SPILL THE BEANS FIRST ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:47 GMT
#1836
ok thanks
Now it's JJD turn. I'm ready to switch on Hopeless, and I hope everyone is ready as well !!!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 20:50 GMT
#1842
On April 04 2014 05:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:47 Djodref wrote:
ok thanks
Now it's JJD turn. I'm ready to switch on Hopeless, and I hope everyone is ready as well !!!

stop getting ninja'd


Wow, your role kinda sucks...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 21:02 GMT
#1862
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
April 03 2014 21:10 GMT
#1873
sorry Toad... shit...
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