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On April 02 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has done absolutely nothing in this game, has not tried to solve anything and i am the only lynch he can get.
He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch. Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 23:52 kitaman27 wrote:On March 31 2014 23:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
kita, rayn wants to 1v1 you. do you accept? Yep, assuming I don't come to the conclusion that you're not pushing a town vs town. rayn is guaranteeing and promising that I am mafia after a 10 sec response to my post. I am presenting a case why he is likely mafia after objectively attempting to lead him down a path to show he is town, reading through his past games for things like mass claim policy and mentioning my reservations showing that I am not 100%, and reading through other players filters to make sure he is the best lynch before deciding. Who do you guys trust more? In my currently preferred scenario, we lynch rayn. If he flips town, hope a vig can get you or slam and probably end up lynching the other one. If he flips scum, ##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: raynpelikoneet (1)You make it look like kita alone is responsible for the lynch when you clearly should understand where he was coming from according to those earlier posts where you found his points on rayn valid. (2)Why kita and not slam btw?
1- I did find those points valid. I also have the ghost of confirmed rayn-"LYNCHSLAM100%_unlessyoufind100%mafia_ohlookKitamanismafia"-pelikoneet whispering in my ear. Again, this is not my own read, its sheeping the dead man.
2- The nuke that JJD is about to launch?
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On April 02 2014 07:55 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
2- The nuke that JJD is about to launch? I think Vivax is asking this: Your preference was to lynch rayn. If rayn flips town, vig and next lynch take care of slam & kita. Vivax's question is, why not lynch slam and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & kita? Or, why not lynch kita and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & slam? Also, in my earlier post I questioned what Vivax quotes there - you write "If he flips scum, " then nothing else. What were you going to write?
I dont remember...I typed the vote, copied it to vote thread then forgot to finish that train of thought. Probably something along the lines of "I will need to reconsider the thread" or some similar malarky.
On April 02 2014 08:00 Amiko wrote:
@hope1essrider: I am tempted to sheep dead rayn and feel like usually it's a good idea. But, I have trouble seeing how rayn could be so confident in his vote d1. Have you played with rayn before, do you know if he always presents a d1 read as a sure thing? Or does he only do so when he is sure?
I could read rayn's games a bit but I'd like to be in thread a little longer before I disappear to reread something else, and it'd be nice to hear from some of the players who have been with him before since they may disagree on rayn's meta.
the short answer is: Yes, rayn will often exaggerate a read to look far more confident than he actually is. However, I believe that if he were given veto powers on the lynch, he'd have had kita hang based on his posts.
I thought Vivax was asking why lynch kita instead of lynching slam today.
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On April 02 2014 08:15 Amiko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
I thought Vivax was asking why lynch kita instead of lynching slam today. You may be right and that could be Vivax's question. But, could you answer the question I thought asked? ( for ease: ) Your preference was to lynch rayn. If rayn flips town, vig and next lynch take care of slam & kita. Vivax's question is, why not lynch slam and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & kita? Or, why not lynch kita and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & slam? I think there is a straightforward answer anyway but eh maybe you'll surprise me 
I preferred to lynch rayn partially for "information" purposes, the wagons and peoples reads etc, and partially because I was more inclined to believe he was being a huge bully, creating a toxic environment and refusing to do anything productive. As it turns out rayn is just as capable of being demoralized as anyone else, but I guess I just hold him to a higher standard than other players.
Slam imo is a bad lynch because he's likely 3rd party. You're never going to get a useful discussion surrounding his alignment. That meant that for me the lynch was between kita and rayn, and at least on D1 I thought rayn was scummier and worth lynching.
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On April 02 2014 08:25 Djodref wrote:
@ Hopeless
Do you think that kita is scum at the moment ? Did you finish to read his filter ?
havent read him yet. lost in austin's filter at the moment.
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On April 02 2014 23:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 02 2014 08:15 Amiko wrote:On April 02 2014 08:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
I thought Vivax was asking why lynch kita instead of lynching slam today. You may be right and that could be Vivax's question. But, could you answer the question I thought asked? ( for ease: ) Your preference was to lynch rayn. If rayn flips town, vig and next lynch take care of slam & kita. Vivax's question is, why not lynch slam and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & kita? Or, why not lynch kita and have vig & next lynch kill rayn & slam? I think there is a straightforward answer anyway but eh maybe you'll surprise me I preferred to lynch rayn partially for "information" purposes, the wagons and peoples reads etc, and partially because I was more inclined to believe he was being a huge bully, creating a toxic environment and refusing to do anything productive. As it turns out rayn is just as capable of being demoralized as anyone else, but I guess I just hold him to a higher standard than other players. Slam imo is a bad lynch because he's likely 3rd party. You're never going to get a useful discussion surrounding his alignment. That meant that for me the lynch was between kita and rayn, and at least on D1 I thought rayn was scummier and worth lynching. The question was: You say something about lynching kita, I ask you why you prefer to mention kita when you said we should also lynch/vig slam in one of your previous posts. Another thing I want to know of you is why you're so against lynching slam. Leaving the survivor survive is bad play if the mafia knows they can convert him cause nobody wants to lynch him cause he claimed 3p. No player should be given definite outs in a game where anyone could suddenly turn scum, and slam should have been lynched D1 already.You don't give clues as to what you think of rayn's alignment throughout having your vote on him. You only seem to do it for the 1 v 1 he had with kita. Another thing is: You voted for Alakaslam D1 before going onto rayn based on his fight with kita. What was the reason for you voting Kaslam if today you say it's bad play to lynch 3p? Did you believe Kaslam was mafia? Cause here's the jist of things: - If you voted for Kaslam thinking he was mafia, it would not make sense for you to vote rayn for information purposes. - If you voted for kaslam thinking he was 3p, then it doesn't make sense for you to say that voting 3p makes it a bad lynch. I'm keen on this one.
3P lynch is bad, but leaving slam alive is worse. I wanted slam vigged, and now we have a nuke for him. If JJD doesn't fire his nuke at slam without having an ironclad case and/or hitting scum he's being tunneled until one of us dies.
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On April 03 2014 00:02 Vivax wrote:So you chose to vote rayn for information purposes instead of doing something that would finally get slam out of the way? Of the people on rayn at the end of D1 I think you have a thin reasoning for ending up on him over Slam. You don't say why you thought he was scummy, but you understood what Kita meant in his post here Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has done absolutely nothing in this game, has not tried to solve anything and i am the only lynch he can get.
He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch. In the 1 on 1 situation between rayn and kita, you chose to lynch rayn first. You did so for information purposes, so I take it you didn't actually agree with the stuff kita wrote? Cause I don't see you calling rayn scum for anything.
i did agree with kita. i thought rayn was scum
@jjd
probably not tbh
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On April 03 2014 00:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2014 00:02 Vivax wrote:So you chose to vote rayn for information purposes instead of doing something that would finally get slam out of the way? Of the people on rayn at the end of D1 I think you have a thin reasoning for ending up on him over Slam. You don't say why you thought he was scummy, but you understood what Kita meant in his post here On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 31 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He has done absolutely nothing in this game, has not tried to solve anything and i am the only lynch he can get.
He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch. In the 1 on 1 situation between rayn and kita, you chose to lynch rayn first. You did so for information purposes, so I take it you didn't actually agree with the stuff kita wrote? Cause I don't see you calling rayn scum for anything. i did agree with kita. i thought rayn was scum @jjd probably not tbh Even though he roleclaimed?
I CLAIM CHUPAZI
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i.e. no, claiming doesnt prove anything, everyone has fakeclaims, everyone is probably blue.
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it just feels so strange to see kush this well put together. At any rate, I dont think any scum were on rayn right now.
I dont like JJD's accusations against kitaman.
"Kita knows I'm town" when kita essentially said he'd push the low tier players and gave examples of who those players would be.
"Kita retconned his case on rayn". I fundamentally disagree with this statement because Kita's case relied on the fact that he tried to get rayn to look into his meta and rayn refused to do so. It was an ongoing process that rayn never pursued him and that is what kita found scummy about rayn.
So I'd want to lynch JJD for tunneling kita while being completely sure that he's right every step of the way. He never wavers, never reconsiders.
I'd also lynch gumshoe for actively refusing to play this game. This should be self explanatory.
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viavx, i hadn't read filters yet. My reasoning was literally "town rayn said X is mafia" well gee, i better vote X right away!
What is the problem here? That I dont explain myself sufficiently? That I didnt have reasons to begin with or I wasnt taking stances? My filter isnt big, I dont have long convoluted posts. What is so difficult here?
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Am I wrong in feeling that this conversation is stupid?
- rayn could fakeclaim. I thought rayn was scum. I continued believing rayn could be scum and left my vote accordingly.
- slam could fakeclaim. I thought slam was(is) 3rd party. I dont think LYNCHING slam is a good idea.
kita accepts 1v1 - Null, this seems to happen a fair amount when rayn is involved.
- "avenge rayn" - I hadn't formed my own scumreads yet
- suddenly against JJD - Guess what, I formed a scumread!! HURRAY FOR ME!
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secondary reasons. I still thought he was scum, even if that was not abundantly clear.
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i've already commented on those things...within this conversation. Vivax what the flying fuck are you reading?
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i hope its a case on a scumread
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On April 03 2014 03:41 Vivax wrote:
Kita explaining why he scumread rayn isn't consistent with the fact that he didn't find him very interesting at a previous time where the trap already should have sprung according to his later reasoning.
the "trap" was not realized until kita reviewed the fact that rayn SHOULD have reviewed his meta but didnt.
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vivax are you scum with jjd?
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gumshoe do you need to be coerced into giving us this information? I dont think people are going to go for the mass claim.
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Fuck that, lynch gumshoe
##Vote: gumshoe
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I cant fathom wtf gumshoe was thinking. Whatever, kush confirmed town imo, amiko is pretty goddamn likely town. i'd like to lynch JJD or Toad.
Toad because he keeps saying stuff like "i havent read that yet" but he's all up in thrawns grill for his read on rayn.
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**MOD RELATED DISCUSSION**
1) invoking foolishness I find completely unfair, especially as I am the target. This seems to be a huge factor in rayn not giving a shit and yet Toad is still alive and not doing that much. He also mentioned that he disagreed with foolish on how to read slam. It seems that Toad actually had a conversation with foolish about this game.
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Actual Scumhunty things:
2) In light of the above, Toad accuses rayn of "knowing he's town" (i.e. Toad is telling the truth therefore he must be town). He also notes that Kita is obv town at a time when it didnt seem like a very reliable read and that rayn was "to watch".
3) Completely hung up on Thrawn supposedly having a 100% townread on rayn. I dont think thrawn was that confident, nor is it thrawns responsibility to save rayn. Furthermore, any time anyone brings up ANYTHING else, Toad's default response is 'dunno, havent read that"
4) Who really thought Toad would have been a decent bluesnipe? I do not.
4a)Perhaps he was trying to cover for the fact that gumshoe hero-docced amiko? (Complete conjecture)
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