Yeah kita's role kinda implies that he at least started out as genuine doctor (cause the powers stay the same the name changes and the role sounds so imba that I don't believe he could have made his powers up like that). I believe he could have been converted, which explains how scum was able to snipe Djo.

I suggest we delay the decision on kita as much as possible and try to figure out the second scum among hopeless, poofter, thrawn.

Gonna look at differences between kita's D1 and D2. I just hope the conversion is a night ability and not something immediate that can be used during the day.

Need to figure a way to coordinate roleblocks tonight without scum knowing how to react to it.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:19 GMT

#2503

If I were a kush/hopeless/TP scumteam I would certainly convert kita, he's a pretty good scummer.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:21 GMT

#2505

Yeah I mean 2 of them during D1, hence / and not +

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:30 GMT

#2507

Actually we've been pretty stupid we should have realized that kush was scum for not vigging Alakaslam..

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 06 2014 22:38 GMT

#2509

No, JJD was rose, rose is dead. I'm Craig Owens.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:41 GMT

#2517

The thing is...Scum kush had an unchanged role to claim, only his name was the fakeclaim.

That means that 1 scum is either claiming vanilla, or one of the remaining roles is scum. Just which one? I'm putting my bet on Tehpoofter being a fake vanilla and kita being a converted guy, alternatively Poofter has been converted and hopeless has a scum role.

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 06 2014 22:45 GMT

#2521

On April 07 2014 07:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
well what use is that role to mafia? i can see it being of use to town, like he might be able to watch for framers

Well he sees anyone who visits a guy together with rose, that's a guaranteed blue snipe every time it happens and when JJD pushes a guy he visited previously they can deduce he's cop.

What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:46 GMT

#2522

EBWOP:

Well he sees anyone who visits a guy together with rose, that's a guaranteed blue snipe every time it happens ~~and when JJD pushes a guy he visited previously they can deduce he's cop.~~

Nevermind they can't know it's JJD until he claims.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 22:48 GMT

#2524

On April 07 2014 07:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont see how hopeless can have a fake role. didn't he announce his results before other people confirmed them? so the actual role mechanics have to be true right? and i'm still not seeing how his role can be useful to mafia

The role isn't fake, the name can be. I mean that type of watcher could be a scum role although it is kinda weak.

I'm kinda moving towards a kita/poofter scumteam as final solution. The argumet with Djo getting shot over other claimed blues is in my opinion very strong.

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 06 2014 23:03 GMT

#2528

Well I was thinking to myself that kita could lie about his track target but maybe he didn't think of the consequences, or thought that it would look better if he was sincere at the cost of looking scummy for it precisely cause people would think what I thought here.

If kita is scum then he made a mistake in being sincere cause I don't see why scum would shoot Djo over claimed blues without already knowing his role.

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 06 2014 23:13 GMT

#2531

Ok amiko didn't think of that. Forgot about Djo's accidental blueclaim.

Scum might as well have tried to snipe the inventor knowing I didn't visit JJD. After all the claimed blues were me, JJD, kita, hope, Djo. JJD hope and me couldn't be the inventor. So not much left to choose from.

But in that case...Why Djo and not kita?

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:19 GMT

#2534

Kita claimed only in resolution period, so in theory scum couldn't know if he was blue or not when sending in the actions. They knew me JJD and Djo were blue.

Can't use that argument on kita after all. But I can't believe scum wouldn't recruit a scum player of his caliber.

Hopeless we don't know if scumometer had a notification. Can you tell us who you think is scum please?

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:23 GMT

#2536

In that case it would be a bad argument. Your role is mostly real we just don't know if it belongs to town or scum, just like kushs.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:28 GMT

#2537

Thrawn you aren't the scum converter are you?

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:36 GMT

#2543

Alright guys. If we manage to exclude thrawn from the scumspects tonight we can win this game.

Kush's role had become useless, he became a goon once he fired his shot. Hence why I said that nobody fighting back on that lynch was a gambit. The pawn got killed so the converter could survive tonight.

My theory is like previously mentioned that scum converts on odd and shoots on even nights. They might also have a converter and be able to hold back KP.

Now, if we assume that tehpoofter is scum with kita, then TP must be either a converter or some other type of scum role if the conversion is a factional ability and not a role.

In case it's a role, me and austin both roleblock TP and scum can't convert tonight, or only kita can carry out the kill or conversion if it's not factionally executed. Scum kita can roleblock one of us but not both, hence the conversion gets fucked up. Maybe scum can't use a role and carry out a kill/conversion at the same time.

Summa summarum I think that'd be a good plan for tonight as opposed to kita's "all roleblockers target each other".

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:37 GMT

#2545

On April 07 2014 08:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax, there is part of kush's role that we aren't allowed to know

That's usually the part where the name of your scumbuddies is written.

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 06 2014 23:40 GMT

#2547

And that mistake makes you town thrawn.

Vivax

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April 06 2014 23:47 GMT

#2550

One of the vanillas must be a scum role that can't be made public, cause if hopeless has that role then it means scum has absolutely shitty roles compared to a town that seems overpowered.

If of the vanillas it's not amiko or thrawn it has to be TP, plus the way he jumped on the kush wagon was absolutely ludicrous. Kita converted N1. GG scum. I don't see who else could be.

Vivax

22233 Posts

April 07 2014 00:20 GMT

#2552

^what he said