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Amiko
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Amiko
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Amiko
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Did you have any thoughts on the d1 voting pattern I mentioned above? (Kush, Kita, and Hopeless all voted for rayn d1) | ||
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Amiko
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On April 10 2014 02:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm sorry boys I'm not going to have the energy to catch up but I've read this whole day. I see we nuked Kita was anyone else on the block? Do we think there is 1 or 2? I appreciate the defense and agree its original scum left most likely (again I've missed a decent chunk of the thread) if we don't have any reason to doubt Austin's status as he was a green check and amiko would have had to nuke his teammate in a situation where the next day he could win its between thrown and hopeless. Hopefully there is just one left seems its on hopeless over thrown. I might be around if I don't go back to sleep when meds kick in. For now I'll go with consensus but try to check in read cause this is a mega uninformed vote on potential lylo so ill do my best to be informed read the previous night ##vote: Hopeless1der (Bolding on an iPad is the worst) @tehpoofter Not sure if there is one or two. But, I feel like there's a good chance the game will end on this lynch (if we lynch properly, hopefully gg. if we mislynch and there's two, gg. if we mislynch and there's one that can convert, gg). That said, I tend to think one scum is left - I think there probably was more than one scum on d1, but I also feel like the no-kill d1 may go hand in hand with conversion. It's possible KP was blocked/saved but I don't know. We have focused too much on whether there is 1 or 2 remaining because either way, the remaining scum was probably scum d1. Suspects are you, hopeless, thrawn. I put some comments on hopeless here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=132#2640 It was written was before the kita flip, I think. Sadly, I don't and didn't have time to dig into thrawn with the same depth; I found some posts I liked by him ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=138#2741 mentioned a recent one) but it's possible there are others out there that are scummy. I asked hopeless to take a look and he came up with a few things ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=139#2773) but it didn't feel like enough to me. So, I feel like hopeless is a better lynch than thrawn, mostly due to looking at their interactions with kita/kush. But those two are more likely than you (despite your more or less afk). feel better! | ||
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Amiko
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On April 10 2014 02:42 austinmcc wrote: There couldn't have been 4 alive, and 2 are gone. Hopefully just the 1, or we're in big trouble. The numbers would depend on exactly what they do at night, and whether converting is something that can be RBed or not. If only Kush could convert, we should just have 1. If ALL can convert, we have 1 or 2 depending on RB.(Bolding on an iPad is the worst) [/QUOTE] This point is important if we have a night, I think. We are fairly certain that conversion can overcome vet-protection because kita was converted (who was vet) and we are fairly sure it happened N1. We don't know if doctor/jail protects on the target can stop conversions, or whether roleblocks on the converting person stop conversions. I sort of think doctor protects will not save someone but I'm just speculating somewhat wildly based on rayn's role pm. | ||
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Amiko
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"At any rate, I dont think any scum were on rayn right now." I remembered someone said that, but I didn't remember it was hopeless. | ||
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Amiko
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Somewhat reassuring that hopeless trusts austin to win the game after austin votes for him (if hopeless sees austin as mis-reading him, I would think hopeless would have less confidence). @Hopeless1der: I think only question I have: you feel pretty certain scum is more likely to be thrawn than tehpoofter? I know I asked you to focus on thrawn the other day, I'm just wondering if you feel that way independently. (If you are scum it's okay if you ignore this; I don't think my vote will move unless someone claims scum, but it's a comment I'd like to have if you flip town and we do end up with another day) | ||
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Amiko
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I don't think I could have been convinced Austin was the only scum left. I considered he Austin might have been converted; slightly because his play was a little different, but also because I felt like scum would be fairly weak if they only had one conversion. But honestly, it was like, god if I have to deal with him I'll do it tomorrow. I didn't really consider the possibility that he would be converted as the rest of the scumteam died... probably largely my fault for running with the assumption that there wouldn't be 1 scum on D1. Sorry to town but I will remember you in my newly upgraded memory banks. | ||
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Amiko
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The hosts actually corrected a PM to me 2-3 times so I felt like hopeless' claim that he had gotten an error was believable. It didn't occur to me initially, but I felt that rather than involve hopeless, the real effect of the PM-issue was that it made me feel strongly that Vivax was town. In other words, if hopeless was telling the truth, then vivax was town because he roleblocked. If hopeless was lying, he was doing it in a way that made him confirm vivax. It wasn't a 100% modconfirm or anything (and I didn't mention it at all in thread cause I feel like generally just don't talk about mods) so not gamebreaking, but it did make me feel more trusting of Vivax. | ||
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Amiko
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You are insert name here. You have had experience with Cybermen before and know that only through the power of love can someone be redeemed. Each night you can "unconvert" a Cyberman conversion by PMing that person’s name to all the hosts, and that person will be converted back to town from Cybermen. This will only work if you target a player who was converted in the last cycle (day and night) and if that player originally had a town win condition. You win with the Town. I felt like there was no way it would be in the game, however - too OP for reasons discussed in game (I think by austin?) | ||
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Amiko
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@austinmcc: I'm glad you were in this game as a good town role model for me, even if you eventually became scum.  I'm still relatively new to forum mafia (this being my second completed game) and I feel like I picked up some good ways of thinking through players over the course of the game, even if they eventually led me wrong. Thanks for playing! re: Toad/Foolishness: I honestly didn't get bothered by this at all. I know Foolishness has reputation for skill but I just can't imagine sheeping someone who isn't even in the game. (I was more worried that I made alakaslam sad :C ) I am kind of stubborn about these things, I generally would rather just pretend something related to the host or outside players didn't happen. | ||
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Amiko
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The few times tempers flared up they seemed to settle down pretty quickly, the massclaim was a fun puzzle to solve (though I'm not sure if it helped or hurt town to claim), and I felt pretty presidential firing a nuke at robo-kita. Thanks very much for hosting! | ||
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Amiko
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SOMEHOW I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH THIS "VICTORY" I am not that good at understanding setups. To me, conversion was a really difficult aspect of the game to deal with because I didn't know any of the mechanics behind it. It seems like consistency in play across days would be the biggest tell that someone has been converted. But, it's always possible someone will just be sick or busy on a given day, so trying to determine if it's real life of alignment change is tough. I didn't know how conversions worked, so I constantly asked myself if I needed to re-assess everyone every day... and mostly concluded it would be impossible to try :D lol. I was thinking it'd be neat if there was some indication when someone was converted (I don't know... maybe a mechanical scream is announced in a day/night post or something like that). That said, I really don't know if the game was more balanced for town or scum. Town had some weird self-destructive moves, and as kita pointed out, there were quite a few points where slight differences in our play might have tipped the game to a town victory. | ||
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