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On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita.
I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around.
i dont think that is a helpful thing to talk about. like if we had more info, sure.
but can you answer why you wanted the check to go on thrawn/kita?
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austin I'm not going to do the other thing you suggested either. well I might, but if so it'll only be done for some other reasons not related to your questioning.
instead i'm just going to start focus on playing the game seriously going forwards because I think that will benefit town more than the other options
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see austin like right now is what i'm talking about
tehpoofter is taking so long to respond to stuff, and i don't remember him being so sluggish or... unresponsive during D1. at the top of this page he mentioned his next post being an answer regarding the kita stuff, and it takes him 40 minutes to write this...
On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita.
I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around.
...and he still hasn't answered a question I asked him an hour ago, about why he wants to check me.
So do you see why I'm saying he seems like a completely different person?
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On April 05 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote: Especially if you think he was converted, then it would still be optimal for town to take out whoever is DOING the converting, and therefore, poofter is a fallback lynch for you and you want to be hunting for Da Mafia Boss.
that's just stupid
there is no way that if i think i've found mafia that I'm going to ignore that
and REALLY austin. I wish there were players in this game that knew me, they would be able to tell you that I am the worst conversion target ever on the forum.
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no idc about kita right now lol. i know that's the worst answer i can give but you're just gonna have to deal with it. the nature of my kita read makes it literally impossible for me to say anything helpful about him. I've looked over his filter multiple times this game and not once has it led me to a solid conclusion, so I don't feel like slogging through it yet again. as soon as i have something to say, I will, till then, I won't.
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On April 05 2014 12:29 Vivax wrote:
You don't have to look at his filter, you only have to look at what I said. That huge post where he mentions multiple people but then only pushes rayn and seemingly doesn't care about them.
OK, I just looked at it and the amount of time that elapsed between that post and the post where he starts pushing to lynch rayn was just about 30 hours. I think 30 hours is.. plenty of time for someone's reads to change.
So no, I don't think what you're pointing out is scummy.
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On April 05 2014 12:30 austinmcc wrote:
Okay, then should we be scumometer-ing Kita? Poofter? Should kush use it on himself and promise not to lie about results?
I already gave an answer to this. I think, objectively, town's best play is to use it on either myself or kita. Probably kita, because I have faith in my ability to not get mislynched. But objectively, considering the suspicions of everyone in the game right now, it is probably best for town to know thrawn and kita's alignments.
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that would be who i would use it on if I was thinking selfishly.
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On April 05 2014 12:39 austinmcc wrote:
Thrawn what is your favorite kind of cookie?
choc
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Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.
When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?
(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff)
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On April 05 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
@thrawn its odd you're so suspicious of me and don't want to check me.
if more people come around to me being townie then i prefer the check going to kita/you. when I say i want kita or me to be checked, i'm talking about what's probably best for the thread, at this exact moment
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On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.
When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?
(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff) Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus The reason I bring up the lover's thing is cause DJO was a random kill idk why he was targeted.
why was djo the random kill and not jjd?
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austin are you shipping both kita/kush as original scum?
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austin.
kush's meata changes a lot. he doesn't always buss. but as scum he pretty consistently as this air of confidence that he doesn't as town due to him not knowing alignments as town. so I think you can sweep aside your meta doubts because imo this does actually look like scum kush.
I do like what you posted near the top of the page regarding kush/kita, but honestly I am more convinced by this
On April 06 2014 05:20 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 05:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin are you shipping both kita/kush as original scum? Right now, yeah. I like your D1. I like amiko's D1. I'm town. I have thought Vivax is townie, and he hasn't done anything to really worry me about that yet. I hate poofter's D1 but like him since, and I don't think that fits for someone who's been scum fo evah. That leaves me hopeless/kita/kush.
I'll do my own read of kush and tell you what I think. But for now I am glad that my vote is still on him.
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except that I love poofter's D1 and don't like him too much since
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Ok. Sneak peak of the result of my kush filter-dive is that I think he's mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 31 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote:
I disagree with foolishness hydra. I know exactly what is going on with slam. Third party with a specific win condition. Terrible lynch and that is a fact not an opinion.
As austin mentioned, kush is too quick to come to the conclusion that slam can only be survivor. And this post is a perfect example of the kush scum meta I mentioned.
+ Show Spoiler +So Austin pointed out some weirdness with the interactions between kush and kita but there is more weirdness I just found that austin didn't touch on. On April 01 2014 21:43 kushm4sta wrote:
Questions for Kita
Why is the boldified relevant?
Have you ever played with town rayn before? I'm sure you have. In that game, was he not super sure about his reads d1?
Why do you write more about how hopeless is scum, yet you push the rayn lynch? In your last post about rayn, which is not quoted, half of it is saying why you think he might be town. So basically, what made rayn a better lynch than hopeless yesterday?
Notice how formal kush is being when talking to kita? Now go look at kush's filter, he pretty much acts like an ass most of the time. When he questions other people is more aggresive and... needlessly antagonistic than he is with kita.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 23:06 kushm4sta wrote:.
Furthermore, think of Kita as a person. I don't know him that well, but from what I've seen, I seriously doubt he would be the kind of flashy scum player to try to get rayn mislynched D1. I see kita as being a less confrontational scum player.
Yes that meta is based on complete assumption. and yeah this is just really awkward and bad.
+ Show Spoiler +OK. So here is an event that bought kush a lot of town cred. On April 03 2014 04:34 kushm4sta wrote:
eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe
##kill gumshoe
The line "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe" seems... a bit off considering kush is supposed to be shooting gumshoe becuase gumshoe claimed kush's flavor name. Like if player x says he's flavor z, and player y is actually flavor z, and player y decides that player x's claim is worth insta-shooting him for... I'd expect player y to be much more... enthusiastic about the kill? This is hard to describe, basically I'm saying that if kush was shooting gumshoe for the reasons he is supposed to be shooting gumshoe, he would have had a completely different attitude about it than "eh we arne't wasting this day talking about gumshoe."
+ Show Spoiler +On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote:
ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions.
I'm checking kita. So I do not know why kush decided to check kita. It doesn't make sense considering kush's earlier kita super town read. He includes the bit about kita being a possible conversion... and that small bit is enough to convince kush that he should use his OP instant cop check on a player he's been defending all game, instead of one of his scum suspects? So kush's use of this scumometer does not make sense. And as Austin said.. kush came in and announced the green result.... and nothing else. No "oh I was right all along you dumbasses" or "hmm that's interesting this means that X is probably mafia." I guarantee that if a I had the scumometer, checked kita, and a town result then I would definietly start drawing conclusions about other players alignments.
SOOOOOOOOOO..... yes I think kush is mafia. and he is probably mafia with kita and they were both probably mafia on D1.
i'll read kita and post my thoughts later today (austin and vivax gonna be so happy)
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tbh it might not happen for awhile lol
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tehpoofter, howcome you have only been scumhunting through role speculation lately? it's literally all you've been doing
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i dunno. i changed my mind about you in the last couple hours and gained kita as a scumread because a combination of austin's points on kita/kush, my own reading of kush's filter, and I just realized that the way you're postnig prob makes you town. becasue you are trying to solve the game in a way where you have to assume that you are town.
so Kush, for sure. then maybe kita? If those two are mafia, especially if kush is mafia, then I think kita was also probably mafia during D1. I think we have 3 scum right now otherwise this game would probably be over already, which means that we maybe started with 2 mafia on D1? so my picks for those two are kush/kita. as far as a converted read.... i need to read amiko. previously I would have said this was you but right now I'm not really feeling it
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