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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 16:07:13
March 04 2014 16:04 GMT
#18
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 04 2014 16:07 GMT
#21
huh, I was having problems with the size of the image...
And also I'm back !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 04 2014 16:14 GMT
#23
ah ah
I forgot about the smilies ^^
But I'm not living in South Korea anymore, I guess I'm less addicted to it now. We'll see...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 14 2014 15:27 GMT
#267
I'm already lurking before the real game even starts...
I have no problems with hydras as long as we fill up the player list quickly ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 18 2014 16:02 GMT
#480
On March 19 2014 00:26 Koshi wrote:
I am going to write a here starts my filter post like somebody did in Shadow game.

But I have no inspiration.


Draw something
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 08:52 GMT
#954
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 10:19 GMT
#987
On March 19 2014 19:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd lynch ve


And for what reason exactly ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 10:29 GMT
#994
On March 19 2014 19:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:19 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd lynch ve


And for what reason exactly ?


a lack of reasons not to lynch him


And why VE over some other guys I assume you also lack of reasons not to lynch ?
Why did you bring up a lynch on VE just when DP was just mentioning him ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 10:32 GMT
#997
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 13:28 GMT
#1089
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 13:33 GMT
#1097
On March 19 2014 21:09 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 21:05 Koshi wrote:
Even though I can now see why people think Vivax said sensible things. I believe that these things are not what Vivax should be talking about 10 hours after it happened. After 10h nobody solely talking about things that happened 9 hours ago is horrible. Even if it is true it holds no value anymore.

Vivax ends his horrible opening post with the desire to keep talking about this. He asks Holyflare/Hopeless to explain what they did. NOBODY fucking cares about this explenation, especially if it is going to be picked up another 10 hours later by Vivax again.

So what is Vivax going to do next? Talk about what hapenned in the second hour of this game?


Vivax is very likely scum. But I going to give him a chance to come in here and be fully updated on EVERYTHING that happened and push is reads into this thread using at least 40 posts.


I like this Koshi.

Fuck yeah arbitrary parameters.


So I can start to ask questions again then
No need for 50+ posts !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 13:39 GMT
#1100
On March 19 2014 20:06 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

[snip]

Djodref
You are scummy for that very mehhhhh post about rayn not reacting on VE his seal.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]

VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.





1) DP clearly uses meta on rayn to say that rayn is likely town for ragequitting like that. He says "Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum?". But you ignore the good meta point DP makes and adds some generic thing about how scum loves to go afk and stop contributing.
HOWEVER
You are talking about rayn here, the guy that just spammed up the entire thread with his push on Coag. Is that generic evasive scumplay? You do not mention this behavior at all, you do not mention what happened in the thread at all, you do not give opinions on anything. You just picked out 1 post and gave some lines that made it look like you were scumhunting.
The fact is that he did nothing more than arguing with Coag until that point. I didn't play for more than a year so I have no idea of rayn meta but it looked to me that it was a very easy way to not post in the thread.
2) The thing about the seals is just bad.
rayn obviously ignored the first drawn seal from Coag & VE. After rayn asked me why I was defending Coag and I used the seal in Coag his defense, rayn asked Coag if it was the real seal and only after Coag posted his real seal rayn went afk. The first seals posted by Coag and VE had nothing to do with rayn going AFK and rayn didn't react on BOTH seals.
And I find it strange that he ignored the first seal given his reaction to the "real" one.

Conclusion: I do not know if you are lost town or lost scum. But I hope you pick up your game and start posting your ideas into this thread. Stop asking questions but just post your ideas and we will comment on what you think. Build your scumreads like that and automatically you will be seen as town.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 13:47 GMT
#1108
On March 19 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthPunk is Djodref this bad or is he mafia?


And why did you ignore Coag and VE drawn seals ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 13:51 GMT
#1114
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:24 GMT
#1138
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:35 GMT
#1148
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:40 GMT
#1153
On March 19 2014 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?

I am okay with lynching both of them. I have played many games with Hopeless and only one (that i know of) with Giggletummy so i am not 100% sure of him being mafia and in my opinion there is more evidence on Hopeless being mafia. Giggletummy is definitely my #2 scumread.

That being said you need to explain why your case makes me mafia. You basically said i called out scummy stuff and that makes me scum. That's really bad.


No, I want to say that you pushing town Coag with not enough arguments and not doing really anything else before announcing that you would go AFK makes you look bad in my eyes.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:43 GMT
#1156
On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?


Here.

On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion.

The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction.
There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing.
If that's kush he is mafia.


On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
[snip]

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 14:54 GMT
#1164
On March 19 2014 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:43 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?


Here.

On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion.

The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction.
There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing.
If that's kush he is mafia.


On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
[snip]


"If that's kush he is mafia" =/= "That is kush and he is mafia".

Did i, in your opinion, ever push the argument as "that is kush and he is mafia".
If i did, show me where, if i didn't, why are you making shit up?


It looks like you wrote this posts to convince people that the hydra Coag was mafia. Did you not ?
I consider this an argument based on kush meta that you used to push your lynch.
On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's this post and the conversation that took place after that:
On February 20 2014 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid.


On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.

thoughts on that?


On February 20 2014 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.

thoughts on that?

Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want.


On February 20 2014 12:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
k that's a no. you have no thoughts on that.

Does it look like kush really cares about his question? Because the bolded part is an answer to his question.



And I don't consider this argument and the post you quoted from Coag are enough to justify the time you spend on him.
Is it clear enough now ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 15:11 GMT
#1192
On March 19 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 23:54 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:43 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:35 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
djod, in regards to rayn. Now that coag has flipped town, doesn't this make your "how does he know it's kush" point irrelevant? It seemed like you were implying they were scum together, otherwise how else would he know what head of the hydra was posting?


No, I wanted to say that his meta argument was really light. Now that we know that Coag is town, there was no real way for him to know if it was kush or not so the meta argument was not acceptable imo.

Where did i make a meta-argument?


Here.

On March 19 2014 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 08:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn you say that he provides no insight of his own. Would you not say that calling it null is not an insight? Like it is a irrelevant conclusion but it is still a conclusion.

The point is he just drops a comment that's non-alignment indicative towards every direction.
There is nothing, the post achieves nothing and is designed to achieve nothing.
If that's kush he is mafia.


On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
[snip]


"If that's kush he is mafia" =/= "That is kush and he is mafia".

Did i, in your opinion, ever push the argument as "that is kush and he is mafia".
If i did, show me where, if i didn't, why are you making shit up?


It looks like you wrote this posts to convince people that the hydra Coag was mafia. Did you not ?
I consider this an argument based on kush meta that you used to push your lynch.
On March 19 2014 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is from the last game. kush does this shit all the time as mafia. He posts stuff that has no intention of achieving anything when he is mafia.
On February 20 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's this post and the conversation that took place after that:
On February 20 2014 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also when exactly did you stop thinking i am mafia? Could you point out the post that made you think so. Normally i would think people stop thinking other people are mafia when they unvote the person but apparently it's impossible in this game because people are being retarded and i am being called stupid.


On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.

thoughts on that?


On February 20 2014 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 20 2014 12:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
On February 20 2014 09:09 Toadesstern wrote:
Why are you actively looking for a way to pseudo-unvote? I don't even see a reason why someone should care about that.

thoughts on that?

Could you clarify the question? I don't understand what do you want.


On February 20 2014 12:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
k that's a no. you have no thoughts on that.

Does it look like kush really cares about his question? Because the bolded part is an answer to his question.



And I don't consider this argument and the post you quoted from Coag are enough to justify the time you spend on him.
Is it clear enough now ?

Did you even read my case on Coag? Is there anything about kush? What the fuck are you talking about, seriously?


I read your case on Coag. You had a point but it doesn't justify in my eyes that you could have him pinned as mafia like this. After that, you made some posts like "if this is kush then he is mafia" and I assume that you use them to push your lynch (did you not?). And I don't like these posts.
Can we give up this pointless argument now ? I don't feel like it's going anywhere.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 23:56 GMT
#1484
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 19 2014 23:58 GMT
#1485
On March 20 2014 08:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
skip the rest, not important.

I feel that giggle has defended himself pretty decently though after you guys put him under a lotta pressure.


And I'm surprised you are not putting that much effort to advertise my lynch over his.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:11 GMT
#1495
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:29 GMT
#1498
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:39 GMT
#1506
On March 20 2014 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Serious question:

tehpoofer, Djodref and Giggletummy what do you think Hopeless' alignment is?


Not sure about Hopeless yet, he looks like he spent a lot of time clarifying the scooby doo thing (and I'm unable to tell if it's on purpose or not). I would not lynch him today.
I have some difficulties to understand what he means to say honestly. On this point I really enjoyed Palmar comments about nobody speaking the same language in this game. Holyflare is for example making reading this thread very difficult for me ^^
I'll check his filter again tomorrow.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:45 GMT
#1511
On March 20 2014 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On March 20 2014 09:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 09:11 Djodref wrote:
On March 20 2014 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wait Djodref. Why is any vote on you more townie or unimportant than any other?


You mean the Koshi vote ?
I found him very straightforward and open in the way he voted me. He pointed out at my demand what he found scummy in my play and warned me that I should step up my game. I didn't do it and I feel like I got what I deserved.
Thrawn and Oats votes are less explanatory.

They are all voting for you for exactly same reasons and it's easily to be seen from their posts.


They may have the same reasons but they didn't have the same way of doing it. From my point of view, it could be convenient for them to just put down their vote on me if they were mafia.
And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me.


this makes less sense than i thought...

you're reading koshi as town, koshi votes you, but you previously read him as town so his vote is ok

oats was looking townish until his vote, which was scummy
thrawn is more on the townie side but his vote is scummy

I don't understand why you are ignoring koshi's vote "because he looked town" while you are holding thrawn/oats votes against them even though you were also townreading them before the votes.


No, the main reason for which I think his vote is ok is that his processus for voting me was really open and straightforward. He explained me why he thought I was scummy, asked me to step up my game and then voted me because of my lack of stepping up I guess.
In comparison, Oats went from
"Djo is looking like he is avoiding to speak about what's happening in the thread" to "Djo is scum" to "vote" and "die scum" in a very short span of time. The processus made the difference. And also Oats lacked of posts and townieness compared to Koshi.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 00:49 GMT
#1514
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

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On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
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VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
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On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

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On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

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On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


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On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 09:27 GMT
#1724
On March 20 2014 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why arent we lynching Djo?
He's calling people town for having a bad read.
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On March 20 2014 09:49 Djodref wrote:
Before really going to bed this time, I just wanted to say that I really appreciated DP latest posts and especially this one after he read my filter.

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On March 20 2014 09:29 DarthPunk wrote:
OK i just read Djo's filter and he acts super weird around his rayn 'read'

On March 19 2014 17:52 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 09:46 Coagulation wrote:
so does that make rayn confirmed scum or confirmed bad?


Rayn is pretty much town also. Do you really think rayn would fake this rage quit thing as scum? I don't. But I do think that he would care this much and be so convinced as town that he would do what he did.

So yeah. Kiss and make up cuties.

Although your hydra offends me and If I was a vig I would be viging you tonight no question.

Sadly I don't have a gun.


I'm catching up but I just wanted to mention that I think it is really an easy way to get an excuse to not contribute as scum. And if he was that much concerned about seals, regardless of his alignment, he could have mentioned it at this point (beginning of the game).
On March 19 2014 06:18 Coagulation wrote:
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VE also drew something similar and rayn didn't react at that point.

My point is, you shouldn't base your assessment of rain's alignment on this. It doesn't make him look good from my point of view.


His first post in and he is discrediting my town read of rayn which honestly is heavily influenced by playing with rayn a lot so I kind of like this post for a couple of reasons.

He is participating in a discussion of current events in the thread. He is calling someone scummy which in my experience of him he doesn't love to do as scum.
On March 19 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:29 Koshi wrote:
HF DP Vivax GiggleTummy Alakaslam Djodreff
↑ People who are scummy.


How is Alakaslam scummy ?
And what about me also by the way ?

Give me your opinion on rayn in 2-3 lines pls.


I don't like how rayn is pushing his lynch targets, I think he is spending more time arguing for the sake of arguing instead of presenting sound arguments which would convince us to lynch Coag/Hopeless/GT with him.
The flip of Coag makes him look bad imo, given the time he spent arguing with him, and I don't understand why he didn't notice the drawn seal the first time if he was ready to AFK the game for it.
I don't understand what he has against Hopeless exactly and I wouldn't mind him explaining again. The scooby doo thing looks minor to me but I honestly don't want to read a previous game.
tl;dr rayn is rather scummy for me at the moment



More accusations of rayn. Even though I disagree with him I like that he is accusing SOMEBODY and that he is participating.

On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.


Here he is going from rayn is scummy to "actually I just didn;t want DP to give you a town read'

Don't like it. Djo in my experience hates taking firm stances on whom he thinks is mafia


His next post on the surface appears good and productive but it's kind of weird also at the start he makes some points about why he thinks rayn is 'suspicious' I don't necessarily agree with what he is saying but I like that he saying things and trying to scumhunt. The odd part happens after that.

On March 19 2014 23:24 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:51 Djodref wrote:
On March 19 2014 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref tell me, you have no idea of my meta so does it bother you you (who have not played wwith me) call me mafia for something and the people who have played with me do not call me mafia for it?


Well, I didn't call you mafia for your reaction to the seal. I wanted to let DP know that his reasoning to pin you town was bad from my point of view and that I wouldn't trust him on that.

I don't know if it's just me but to me it looks like that's exactly why you are calling me mafia.
So if you would clarify why you in fact are calling me mafia it would help me figuring out your alignment.


I'm suspicious of you for several reasons.
  • You pinned Coag as mafia for one useless post and a point about kush's meta.
    =>How could you be so sure it was kush posting ?
  • You spent a lot of time arguing with Coag and clarifying some minor points, and it was messing up the thread from my point of view.
    =>Why didn't you bring up new arguments ?
  • You announce that you go AFK because of the seal thing, when they were already seals drawned in thread way before
    =>Looked too easy for me
  • I didn't understand where Hopeless was lying.


That being said, the post of Coag was indeed scummy, but it is a little not enough much for me to spend so much time and thread space about it.
Also I don't think it's a good idea to lynch you today because of your activity and also because I don't feel like I could push a lynch on you. And you have good points about GT.
tl;dr I don't trust you, you are potential mafia on my list, but I would rather lynch someone else today.

Could you answer me why you chose to support an Hopeless lynch instead of a GT lynch ?



He goes here is all the reasons I think you are scummy. But here is the reasons I don't want to lynch you today despite, up until this point only talking about you bieing scum and nothing else.

He says he doesn't want to lynch rayn because he couldn't get the lynch off. Not because he has changed his read, because he still calls Rayn mafia in that same post, but then he wants to sheep rayn and both of the lynches rayn has been pushing. That makes no fucking sense at all.


On March 20 2014 08:56 Djodref wrote:
I have read the whole thread again and I don't think that rayn could be mafia anymore.
I don't like how Oats and thrawn voted me for the lynch with little justification. I would expect thrawn to be more active to push my lynch over GT as well.
I don't mind Koshi voting me that much because I believe he is town and I know I didn't do much.
I'd be happy to get behind a GT lynch today for self preservation mainly.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 3 mafia members in the pool of less active players in this game. Which I'm fully aware of belonging to. I'm not mafia though
I'll try to give better input tomorrow before the lynch and also my paintings if I get behind a proper computer.
I got to go to bed now though but I'll hang around a little more.


See you tomorrow guys!


Later he says he doesn't think rayn is scum after all. He has done nothing but call rayn scum or argue with rayn the entire game, all of a sudden rayn is not scum due to a 'reread' what could he have possibly read to completely reverse his only scum read and the only thing he has spoken about all game?

He sheeps a wagon his precious number one scum read was pushing when he was his number one scum read.

Basically I want to lynch one of Djo or GT today. I want poofter to answer my fucking questions. Then I will be a happy panda.


It shows he is really trying to figure the game right now and I think it's a rather fair assessment of my filter.



His read on me is total shit. His explanation is not at all how it happened and I did the exact same thing as koshi did so why he calling me scum for it?
Like this post, he implies that I look town until me and thrawn vote
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And to answer to thrawn, I need to see more from Oats to read him properly, he looked quite townish until he decided to put down his vote on me and went to bed.
As for you thrawn, I was worried about your activity level until you started to post more tonight. I have you more on the townie side with your latest posts. But this is as well downgraded by the fact that you have your vote on me

Which makes me think he is calling me scum for trying to lynch town but thats clearly not the case. The later explanations of our votes being not so clear is totally bullshit and backtracking.

The most convincing thing for me is that he accepts DP's analyzation of his filter which was that he was scum and even calls DP townier because of that.

Dp, tehpoofter is reasonably answering your inquires man, get off his back for today at least. Giggle or Djo?


I'm calling DP town because the post you quoted of him that I liked showed that he read my filter in detail and really weighed the pros and cons to determine my alignment. Why do you call this post a bad read ?
And also can you tell me again what are your exact reasons to have your vote on me ? Because I'm not sure to know what exactly decided you when I read your filter, and I would like you to state it clearly.
Make me some bullet points plz
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 09:31 GMT
#1729
Also I forgot to say that I know that my filter looks like shit atm and I understand why you could have voted me as town, as well I can undertsand that the conclusion of DP post is that I'm more on the scum side that the town side (even if I got the feeling that DP has not a definitive scumread on me).
But I'm not sure if your votes are town vote or convenient scum votes so that's why I want you to state very clearly why you are pushing my lynch so everyone can work something out of it.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 09:46 GMT
#1743
@Holyflare

I don't think DP is going to get lynched today, and I would certainly not vote him at the moment.
I'm surprised you didn't really mention me yet as I have him as town right now (and also because I'm a real potential lynch for today).
Do you really expect people to lynch DP today ? If yes, please tell me who do you expect to join your wagon, because I certainly I'm not.
Also I want you to give your views about the most likely lynch targets for today, i.e. GT, poof and me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 10:43 GMT
#1772
On March 20 2014 18:59 Palmar wrote:
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On March 20 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 20 2014 02:45 Palmar wrote:
On March 20 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palamr Giggletummy not posting a case right after promising to do so is not alignment indicative. There is no reason for mafia to clearly promise posting a case and then just not do it. They know they will be called out of it so what's the point? If mafia calls someone scum they know they are expected to post reasoning for it. It's not like he did not know what to say and just left because he could not follow up his earlier post.

I think it's bad logic to think so.


rayn you're a dumbass.

Mafia knows they get called out on contradictions, posting reads with no reasoning, lurking and various other things THEY STILL DO. All of these things are really obvious and can be avoided very easily. Yet we still lynch scum based on them all the time.

My logic is great. Unless GT flips town in which case it was you bad logic that led to the lynch and I had nothing to do with it.

What i am trying to say is that the act in itself is not alignment indicative. The reasons behind them might be. You know, basic stuff.


The reasons behind them is that it's really fucking hard to create legitimate cases as mafia, so they give up on it all the time and put it off. It's like homework. Mafia doesn't like homework, they like partying and shooting people.


This post decided me to sheep Palmar on GT's lynch. And of course also self-preservation

I'd like to add a few more reasons I have for the GT's lynch
  • low activity
  • the case on HF is more describing what HF did rather than properly underlying why HF actions were scummy. It looks like GT had some difficulties to write a case with good arguments. A bad homework I would say.
  • even after the case, he is spending more time talking about irrelevant coag/kush stuff => no scumhunting


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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 12:45 GMT
#1791
On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?


Do YOU think holyflare is right?

I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense.


By the way, could you write down your main points against me ? I'd like to discuss what you have against me if you don't mind.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 15:29 GMT
#1960
This game has been about apples and bananas

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The Vivax lynch looks legit. I'm gonna check the timestamps by myself and I'll change my vote.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 15:35 GMT
#1966
On March 21 2014 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why would you say you change the vote if you are not sure if you trust me or not?
It's not like you say "i'll check this out, if it's right it's good." You just say "i'll check this out myself and then i'll vote for him".

lol


That's what I meant. No need to be picky on semantics like this.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 15:48 GMT
#1977
On March 21 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 21 2014 00:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2014 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
Djod, hopeless, giggle, vivax mafia



What?


You are now confirmed town in order to not ruin this game. Why are you complaining?


Actually I'm town so you can go on and have fun tunneling DP
But seriously don't
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:14 GMT
#2101
I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet.
I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax.
Preparing my MS paint vote now
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:18 GMT
#2103
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:19 GMT
#2108
On March 21 2014 05:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote:
I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet.
I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax.
Preparing my MS paint vote now


do you think vivax will flip mafia?


Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:26 GMT
#2117
On March 21 2014 05:22 Giggletummy wrote:
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On March 21 2014 05:19 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote:
I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet.
I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax.
Preparing my MS paint vote now


do you think vivax will flip mafia?


Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia.
Can you point to a post or two that push towards townie?


This post feels genuine to me and it's making doubting my decision a little, but I know you could use your own angry and disabused emotions as a lynched scum to produce something like this.

On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.

I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.

Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:30 GMT
#2120
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:32 GMT
#2124
On March 21 2014 05:30 Giggletummy wrote:
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On March 21 2014 05:26 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:22 Giggletummy wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:19 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On March 21 2014 05:14 Djodref wrote:
I'm here back from work and finally at home. I'm fine with Vivax lynch even if I haven't properly caught up with the thread yet.
I have skimmed through it and I don't feel like I missed anything major since rayn push on Vivax.
Preparing my MS paint vote now


do you think vivax will flip mafia?


Rayn case was pretty damning. Vivax latest posts are making me doubting a little bit but I have good hopes he'll flip mafia.
Can you point to a post or two that push towards townie?


This post feels genuine to me and it's making doubting my decision a little, but I know you could use your own angry and disabused emotions as a lynched scum to produce something like this.

On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote:
I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch.

I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards.

Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning.

Pre-flip, if possible, are you happy with Vivax's scum on a silver platter, i.e. poofter i thik?


No I didn't have time to check that again. Only these emotional posts made me doubt.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:32 GMT
#2128
Nice one
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 20 2014 20:47 GMT
#2157
On March 21 2014 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
did any of the vivax voters start doubting that vivax was mafia when he made his angry posts? i didn't, in fact they made me feel even better about the lynch. I am asking because djo's reaction to them seems implausible


I think I would have made a similar post if I had came back from work to discover that I was going to get lynched. Maybe I wouldn't have cursed town to lose though...
I don't enjoy this game that much tbh and I have troubles reading (looking at you HF), expressing myself and getting understood properly.
I'm glad that we lynched mafia today though and some posts are really making me laugh, especially the fruity ones.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 20:58 GMT
#2169
On March 21 2014 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 00:29 Djodref wrote:
This game has been about apples and bananas

[image loading]

The Vivax lynch looks legit. I'm gonna check the timestamps by myself and I'll change my vote.

Djodref after this post you were in thread for 20 more minutes yet you talked about everything else than what you promised to go do.
Why is that?


Because checking the timestamps revealed to be harder than I thought, you provided a link to the wrong post so I was looking for Vivax posts around page 60, where there is none.
After that I hang out in the thread because people made semantics remark on this post. After that I had to work cause I'm playing from work and sometimes I cannot avoid my coworkers.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 21:07 GMT
#2180
On March 21 2014 06:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It took me 30 seconds to check the posts.


I checked Vivax filter but I wanted to read again the posts in the context of the thread. It's not easy to find where are the posts from the filters in the real thread. Also I wasn't sure about what you were trying to prove until you posted this:

On March 20 2014 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[image loading]


Very good one by the way
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 21:54 GMT
#2237
On March 21 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref and giggletummy.

What mislynches mafia tried to push throughout D1 and why?


Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it.
I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually...

Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help.
I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to.
In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything.

Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum.
In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case.

So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one.

I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 22:01 GMT
#2240
On March 20 2014 07:51 geript wrote:
DarthPunk (1): Holyflare
Coagulation (0): DarthPunk, raynpelikoneet, thrawn2112
Holyflare (1): Giggletummy
Tehpoofter (1): DarthPunk
Hopeless1der (0): raynpelikoneet
djodref (3): Oatsmaster, Koshi, thrawn2112
Giggletummy (3): raynpelikoneet, Palmar, VisceraEyes,

Not Voting: djodref, Vivax, tehpoofter, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der


Yeah, looking at this vote count, and knowing that I'm town, I'm very surprised that the wagon on GT has been doing so well for a while if he is indeed mafia.
Let's say I'm lynched tomorrow and I flip town, doesn't it make GT more townie ?
Can I have some feedback on that ?
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:01 GMT
#2241
On March 21 2014 06:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also nothing in that posts says who he thinks is scum.


Calm down a minute and try to work with my assumptions plz
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:05 GMT
#2246
On March 21 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:54 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref and giggletummy.

What mislynches mafia tried to push throughout D1 and why?


Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it.
I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually...

Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help.
I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to.
In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything.

Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum.
In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case.

So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one.

I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players.

So who do you think is mafia?
In your scenarios you basically present an argument that mafia are in high volume posters but didn't do anything to push their preferred lynch. How does that make sense?


No, I think mafia didn't disrupt the thread or didn't feel like they needed to.
I wouldn't be surprised if Slam was mafia right now. Maybe Oats, maaaaybe Palmar...
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:09 GMT
#2251
On March 21 2014 07:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
This makes 0 sense. What does GT's alignment have to do with your alignment? Why are you spending your time defending GT instead of finding scum?


GT's alignments and mine are connected because we were the main lynch targets for quite a long time during D1.
If one of us is scum, then mafia should try to push the other lynch, right ?
I'm not scum, so I wonder my lynch was not pushed that much over GT's one. Do you see the logic ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 22:15 GMT
#2254
On March 21 2014 07:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
also contradicting statements.
Show nested quote +
I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all,

Show nested quote +
I wouldn't be surprised if Slam was mafia right now. Maybe Oats, maaaaybe Palmar


I'm not sure about you being mafia or not atm. You have decent reasons to have voted for me but you could answer my questions anyway. I'm trying to figure out your alignment ok ?
What made you vote Vivax over me ?
When did you get what rayn pointed out about Vivax ? Because your 180 was rather quick.

On March 20 2014 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
He might have used filters.

On March 20 2014 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats probably what he did.

On March 20 2014 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn, its far more likely that he used filters to make his case rather than lying.

On March 20 2014 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
[image loading]
If Vivax was town and thought that Hopeless/thrawn was scum before he made the case, he would have posts to analyze from before that point. Which he didnt as I understand.
Scum!

Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:22 GMT
#2258
@DP

Why did you unvote a few minutes after rayn posted his first post about Vivax inchorence ?

On March 20 2014 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VIVAX:
You said you were on page 40 when you stated your scumreads were Hopeless/thrawn.
However in your cases you present later every piece of evidence you point out happens after page 40.
Should i lynch you for this? And if not, why? Because i think you are full of shit.



On March 20 2014 22:57 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote

Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:26 GMT
#2263
@GT

What do you think about these assumptions ?
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 21 2014 06:54 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref and giggletummy.

What mislynches mafia tried to push throughout D1 and why?


Actually you came up with Vivax quite late in the day and I don't feel like the mafia could have time to react to it at all and proposed a counter-push. Vivax has been thrown down under the bus hardcore I think, the votecount corroborates it.
I don't feel like mafia tried to disrupt the thread that much actually...

Please assume that GT and I are both town for one moment, like two townies playing so bad that they end up like the serious potential mislynches for day1, without any help from the mafia or really little help.
I think in that case mafia don't feel like they need to do anything and don't try to push anybody. Maybe they add some fuel to the GT's wagon. I still have some doubts about Oats but I don't feel like I was pushed by mafia at all, and in this assumption it means that mafia didn't need to.
In this case, mafia was safe for most of D1 and didn't need to do anything.

Please assume now that I'm town and that GT is scum.
In this case, I think that mafia is bussing GT and is trying to get towncredit for his lynch, and they don't try to push my lynch over his at all. Meaning mafia players are players with enough towncredit and balls to choose the risky strategy to bus a liability D1. But Vivax giving up on GT doesn't make sense in this case.

So from my point of view, the first assumption is more likely to be true than the second one.

I really would like some feedback on this idea, because I feel like a lot of people have either GT or me pinned as scum, or both of us, while it may very be the case where we are both shit town players.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 22:36 GMT
#2281
On March 21 2014 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Djodref i am more interested in why you think Slam/Palmar are scum.


I think it could fit well in the case where mafia didn't try to influence the lynch that much during D1. Actually your question about who mafia try to push today opened my eyes because I realized that they didn't push me, or very little even if I was the perfect mislynch.
I want to read again the thread from midday where GT and me were both the main lynch candidates with the assumption that GT is town and see what I get from there. I won't do it tonight though because I need some sleep first.
Slam didn't do anything so he immediately fits well in this hypothesis.
And Palmar did push GT the strongest.
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:38 GMT
#2283
On March 21 2014 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can this just be so easy that GT is mafia and Vivax fucked up?


I don't think so because mafia would have tried to lynch me over GT. Or they would have planned to bus GT but Vivax didn't do it.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 22:43 GMT
#2288
On March 21 2014 07:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2014 07:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 21 2014 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can this just be so easy that GT is mafia and Vivax fucked up?

I wouldn't call that "easy" necessarily. With GT being the only counterwagon to Vivax that's going to make it a little stranger to lynch him tomorrow for most people I would assume.

That's my problem.
GT being mafia would make sense but if GT is mafia wtf was mafia doing whole D1??


having 0 thread presence because vivax was afk, gt was afk

(if the others are djo and hopeless): they had no thread presence, no authority and couldn't push off either without looking weird


I agree that mafia had 0 thread presence on day 1.
If GT is scum, then they didn't have enough presence to push the lynch on me... (like seriously?)
If GT is town, it kind of explain why they didn't even try to do anything, because day 1 was ez mislynch for them then.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 20 2014 22:51 GMT
#2299
On March 21 2014 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, you say you don't think GT is mafia, so mafia did not need to do anything on D1 at that time.
Then the reason you give for Palmar to be mafia is that he pushed the GT lynch strongest!?!?!?


I don't know honestly... I want to read the thread again
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:53 GMT
#2304
On March 21 2014 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If mafia had no thread presence it should be Hopeless, Slam and idk someone but not Palmar who is mafia in Djodref's mind. Because Palmar actually did have thread presence and is capable of pushing lynches in general.


I wrote "maaaaaaybe Palmar" not "Palmar is mafia"
Djodref
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March 20 2014 22:54 GMT
#2306
On March 21 2014 07:51 Holyflare wrote:
3rd times a charm


Would you mind if I skip your posts about DP ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 12:12 GMT
#2685
On March 21 2014 18:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Palmar totes town.
Someone should vig djo


Let's say I'm vigged tonight. Who do you lynch D2 and why ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 12:42 GMT
#2694
I've noticed something weird about Oats on page 50.

He is suddendly asking DP about his reads about me and Vivax. DP is one of his town read at that point.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


And then Palmar says

On March 19 2014 19:18 Palmar wrote:
I don't think Vivax is, his post was pretty solid.


And DP answers

On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd.

Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago.


So Oats goes

On March 19 2014 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd.

Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago.

They could both be town or scum, just asking for a read.

I think Vivax is town I agree with palmar.

I dunno about Djo though, I actually think that he is purposely not participating in what is going on.



I don't understand why you ask one of your town read an insight of one of another of your townreads, especially coupled with a scummy (i.e me in that case).

I think Oats could be proding DP about his views on his scum partner Vivax here.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 12:47 GMT
#2696
@Oats

I would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 12:58 GMT
#2701
On March 21 2014 21:49 Koshi wrote:
Djodref
Could you make us a list?
You can use Palmar his template.


Here is where I am right now, but it's not definitive yet though

Town hero tier
rayn
Koshi

leaning town tier

Darthpunk
thrawn
Hopeless

Honestly I don't know tier (from more town to less town)
Palmar
poof
Holyflare
GT
VE

leaning scum tier
Oats

Inactive tier
Slam
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:00 GMT
#2703
On March 21 2014 21:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:
@Oats

I would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


I can answer that I think. I read that as a prod towards me, saying: 'Hey DP I think you are town, I am town, Let's find some scum"


Yeah I agree with that, but it kind of implies that Vivax and me were on his scumradar then, but why then saying that he finds Vivax town ?
Do you see my point ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:10 GMT
#2709
On March 21 2014 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo faking reads right here. Why is Koshi town hero Djo?


Because he is very open about his thoughts in his posts, and I liked the process he used to vote me (as mentionned before). He is also very active and tries to figure out the game even now.
Also rayn has him as town and rayn is obsviouslt town and a good player, and they identified themselves both as town.

By the way, who do you lynch tomorrow and why if I'm vigged tonight ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:13 GMT
#2711
On March 21 2014 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:
@Oats

I would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?

I wanted to know his reads on Djo and Vivax because they werent being discussed and I thought Djo was scummy.

Im not sure what answer you expected.


Vivax was discussed.
Why Vivax ? He was discussed at that point because he just made his first post 2 or 3 pages before you asked the question. I don't understand why you would group us in this question. Didn't you find Vivax scummy at this point
Djodref
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March 21 2014 13:20 GMT
#2717
On March 21 2014 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 22:10 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo faking reads right here. Why is Koshi town hero Djo?


Because he is very open about his thoughts in his posts, and I liked the process he used to vote me (as mentionned before). He is also very active and tries to figure out the game even now.
Also rayn has him as town and rayn is obsviouslt town and a good player, and they identified themselves both as town.

By the way, who do you lynch tomorrow and why if I'm vigged tonight ?

Rayn has me as town, why do you think Im scum?

I will lynch slam


Because I don't feel like you do anything else than tunneling me. So I don't know if you are trying to solve this game or not. I guess your tunnel looks fine for everybody else because I'm almost on everybody scumradar, but the thing is it's not fine for me because I'm not scum.
Also you are not as active as Koshi and I don't feel you as open and carefree as him.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:24 GMT
#2720
On March 21 2014 22:13 Koshi wrote:
Djodref,
Why is thrawn town?


Activity is good tell for scum thrawn, or at least it was the case when I was playing with him.
Then I like his gut feeling he has for poof as a noob town. I can relate to that.
Also the posts that DP highlighted to show the townieness in thrawn.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:27 GMT
#2722
On March 21 2014 22:18 Palmar wrote:
Why am I scummier than DP/Hopeless/thrawn Djodref?

Hint: there is a wrong answer.


Because I think there is a good possibility for GT to be town and I expect town you to push lynch on mafia and not town.
But if GT turns out to be scum, I would put you back in the hero town tier.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:28 GMT
#2723
On March 21 2014 22:25 Koshi wrote:
damn [g][/g] doesn't work.
Anyhoezels.

I am going to repeat this once more.

VIGI DO NOT SHOOT.

Imagine a world in which Alakaslam is doc, Giggletummy is cop, and you are a vigi. Imagine how bad you could fuck up. Do not shoot. You will hit a blue.


Well the vig can shoot me if he wants
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 13:36 GMT
#2730
On March 21 2014 22:29 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 22:28 Djodref wrote:
On March 21 2014 22:25 Koshi wrote:
damn [g][/g] doesn't work.
Anyhoezels.

I am going to repeat this once more.

VIGI DO NOT SHOOT.

Imagine a world in which Alakaslam is doc, Giggletummy is cop, and you are a vigi. Imagine how bad you could fuck up. Do not shoot. You will hit a blue.


Well the vig can shoot me if he wants

Are you claiming VT?


Yeah, I claim VT. But I don't mind being shot, I think I would do town more good than harm given the position I'm in right now.
It could force Oats to participate for example. And make room to find the real scummers.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 16:42 GMT
#2857
On March 22 2014 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
The reason Oats does that is it's almost certain at the time of Oats' vote switch that Vivax is going to be the lynch unless I'm misremembering. Yes town Oats changes his mind, but the fact is that there was nothing new said - there was no further explanation of the point. Oats DISAGREED with your theory, full stop. Then he voted for Vivax, in such a way that it seemed like he never doubted your read of the situation.


I just want to add that this is exactly what is expressed on his drawing he made here.

On March 20 2014 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
[image loading]


At this point, scum Oats has realised that everyone was going to see that Vivax was scum given the damning evidence presented in the thread. He isolates here HF in his drawing while he was making roughly the same argument with the filters just a moment before.
At first read, I found it a little unfair to HF, but I think Oats wanted to be part of the "EVERYONE" because he realized it was going to be a successful and unstoppable wagon.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 16:48 GMT
#2865
On March 22 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 01:42 Djodref wrote:
On March 22 2014 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
The reason Oats does that is it's almost certain at the time of Oats' vote switch that Vivax is going to be the lynch unless I'm misremembering. Yes town Oats changes his mind, but the fact is that there was nothing new said - there was no further explanation of the point. Oats DISAGREED with your theory, full stop. Then he voted for Vivax, in such a way that it seemed like he never doubted your read of the situation.


I just want to add that this is exactly what is expressed on his drawing he made here.

On March 20 2014 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
[image loading]


At this point, scum Oats has realised that everyone was going to see that Vivax was scum given the damning evidence presented in the thread. He isolates here HF in his drawing while he was making roughly the same argument with the filters just a moment before.
At first read, I found it a little unfair to HF, but I think Oats wanted to be part of the "EVERYONE" because he realized it was going to be a successful and unstoppable wagon.

How can you say it's damning evidence because at the time you didn't YOURSELF think it's damning evidence and neither did about 8 other players?


Yeah, that's why it's a little disturbing that DP and Oats understood what it meant this quickly.
DP is smart but Oats 180 is too quick for my liking
If you know that Vivax is scum, you know where this is going.
Djodref
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March 21 2014 20:00 GMT
#3009
Just in case I'm vigged...

[image loading]
Djodref
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March 21 2014 20:47 GMT
#3054
On March 22 2014 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so. Is Djo mafia too?
Are all the D1 wagons mafia?


No, I'm still town. Nice shot by the way. Mafia did nothing D1 then.
Djodref
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March 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3059
On March 22 2014 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who was on Djo instead of GT talk.
now.
plz.

thats u thrawn oats koshi. mostly koshi i guess


What do you mean mostly Koshi ?
Before the Vivax stuff, I had only Oats, Koshi and thrawn on me.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 20:59 GMT
#3066
On March 22 2014 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE gets to be really town bcz of this and Djodref needs to talk about something not Plammer now.
cool <3


Yeah, Palmar definitively back to town hero tier. It was hard for me to believe scum GT lynch to be so uncontested.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 21:43 GMT
#3068
On March 22 2014 06:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
well.

djo was a viable lynch candidate ever since koshi voted for him. if djo is town he was a potential mislynch wagon. if djo is town, wouldn't he have been scum's only chance at a mislynch?

vivax didn't try to lynch djo
GGT didn't try to lynch djo

basically I'm saying that the flipped scum's voting evidence suggests that djo is mafia, because neither of them tried to push a lynch on djo while they themselves were being pushed towards the lynch.


It's because I'm a beacon of townieness, they knew they wouldn't manage to lynch me and would only look bad in the process.
On a more serious note, vivax was AFK most of the time, I guess he was really busy IRL. GGT was not very active as well, and was already looking too scummy to get traction.
From my point of view, I'm am more and more convinced that Oats is scum.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
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March 21 2014 22:01 GMT
#3072
I confronted Oats with his very first town read on Vivax, which surprisingly comes after this question he asked to DP.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


If town Oats was writing this post, it would mean that town Oats is wary of Vivax and me, and asking confirmation for a fellow townie (in this case DP is one of his townread). It's difficult for me to imagine any other reason to phrase to question his way.

After this question, Palmar and DP basically said that Vivax first posts were looking townie enough for them. Hence

On March 19 2014 20:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 19:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?


Why are one of them scum? I'm not sure on either to be honest. Vivax looked ok so thrawn calling him scum is odd.

Djo is ? to be determined. If he does scum hunting he is town based off mario mini but that was a long time ago.

They could both be town or scum, just asking for a read.

I think Vivax is town I agree with palmar.


I dunno about Djo though, I actually think that he is purposely not participating in what is going on.



Please notice here how he changed his question first. He was not asking if Vivax or me were scum anymore, but just for a read. It contradicts the phrasing of the first question.
And suddenly his wariness of Vivax disappears, he agrees with Palmar that Vivax is town.


When I confronted Oats with this posts he answered with this post

On March 21 2014 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 21:47 Djodref wrote:
@Oats

I would like to know what your motivation was to ask this question to DP.

On March 19 2014 19:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
aw DP.

Talk to me. Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?

I wanted to know his reads on Djo and Vivax because they werent being discussed and I thought Djo was scummy.

Im not sure what answer you expected.


I call this post bullshit. It's a lie ! Vivax was discussed at that point because he just made his entrance into the thread a few pages ago.
On my timestamps, here is the date of Vivax first post in the thread

Vivax Austria. March 19 2014 14:44. Posts 5166

and here is the date of Oats question to DP, just a few hours after

Oatsmaster Singapore. March 19 2014 19:16. Posts 10165

If you add this to the quick 180 Oats did on Vivax to be one of the first to vote him after rayn found him, I'm pretty confident that Oats is mafia.

## vote Oats

Paint incoming !

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:06 GMT
#3074
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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:09 GMT
#3076
On March 22 2014 07:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
so bad.
Town djo knows how to make cases.
This is barely a case.

1. He pokes at my phrasing when its clear that the answer will be a read on Djo and Vivax so nothing wrong there.

2. I just checked, nobody was talking about Vivax. A lie. Lynch liers who lie to get people lynched.


On March 19 2014 18:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2014 18:19 Koshi wrote:
Ok I am back alive. Going to bitch about the modkill after the game I guess.
Vivax pretty scummy atm. We will see where he brings us.

I am going for a reread later I think.


Why? As I said I think his point about Hopeless is probably the best made so far.


Palmar and Koshi were discussing about Vivax roughly one hour before you asked your question
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:19 GMT
#3079
On March 22 2014 07:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Djo, you have to explain why my 180 is bad.


To be perfectly honest I can explain it from a townie perspective and a mafia perspective.
The townie perspective is that your reaction was similar to HF, except that you realized what rayn wanted to say with his drawing, and then voted.
The mafia perspective is that you understood your defense of Vivax was a waste when you realized how damning rayn point was with the drawing. Then you decided to bus promptly.
I'm going with the second option right now but yeah, I cannot really use this against you to convince other people you are mafia.

I think don't like this drawing from you

On March 20 2014 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Why did you write everyone ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:25 GMT
#3080
On March 22 2014 07:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
so bad.
Town djo knows how to make cases.
This is barely a case.

1. He pokes at my phrasing when its clear that the answer will be a read on Djo and Vivax so nothing wrong there.

2. I just checked, nobody was talking about Vivax. A lie. Lynch liers who lie to get people lynched.


1. If you wanted a read, why don't you write "What do you think of Vivax and Djodref ?" instead of "Do you think Djodref or Vivax is scum?" the latter indicates that you were wary of Vivax and me. I mean it is very clear that it was the case regarding me, so why did you put Vivax in the same question ?!

2. What did you check exactly ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:29 GMT
#3081
On March 22 2014 07:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
are you two bussing or something


Well, if you have us both as scum, it would mean that mafia decided to devise the perfect suicide plan from the beginning of the game. Do you think mafia decided to shoot oneself in the foot like that ?
What do you think of my latest points against Oats ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:40 GMT
#3082
And last but not least, there are many occurrences of Oats defending GT in the second page of his filter.

On March 20 2014 08:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
skip the rest, not important.

I feel that giggle has defended himself pretty decently though after you guys put him under a lotta pressure.


On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?


Do YOU think holyflare is right?

I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense.


On March 20 2014 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually I think GT is town never mind. He fufilled his promise of writing a case, his posts are casual and lighthearted and he seems to be working towards something.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 22:44 GMT
#3084
On March 22 2014 07:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 07:29 Djodref wrote:
On March 22 2014 07:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
are you two bussing or something


Well, if you have us both as scum, it would mean that mafia decided to devise the perfect suicide plan from the beginning of the game. Do you think mafia decided to shoot oneself in the foot like that ?
What do you think of my latest points against Oats ?


I dont know how they make him mafia


So why are you saying we are bussing each other ? Am I poorly bussing my partner on purpose ?
What about Oats defending GT in the second page of his filter then ?

And please tell me that you are not seriously consider both of us being mafia
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 21 2014 23:40 GMT
#3101
On March 22 2014 07:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me hard defending GT scummy djo? Are my reasons bad?


It's scummy because you were pushing my lynch (i.e a town lynch) over a scum lynch.
To be honest not all your reasons were bad.

On March 20 2014 08:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
skip the rest, not important.

I feel that giggle has defended himself pretty decently though after you guys put him under a lotta pressure.


This one I like, because GT did not lose his cool while defending himself. I never felt like he was stressed out about being lynched.

On March 20 2014 21:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 21:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 20 2014 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey palmar, do you think Holyflare is right on DP? And if so, does that mean that GT is town?


Do YOU think holyflare is right?

I dont like that you dont want to lynch Djo and you keep repeating the same thing about GT. Some of his case was ok and made sense.


This one I really don't like, the case he presented was looking fake, because it was mostly a play by play description of what HF did, and it was lacking the explanation of the motives of scum HF.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 00:00 GMT
#3107
On March 22 2014 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
OK caught up with the thread.

SOme thoughts:

Ve is totes town. Here is why.

His analysis of holyflare's case was spot on. He clearly read through the case at each point, then read my filter and drew a good conclusion from it.

Which is more than I can say for people who are confirmed town like Koshi.

His rage out felt very 'town ve' in a similar way to the reason I called him town correctly in the shadow podcast.

Rayn. You also called VE town in the podcast. Do you agree with my assessment of his alignment right now?

I don't know what the fuck the scum team is doing LOL. Why would they shoot holyflare. I was certainly going to try and lynch him today. Several others had expressed doubt as to his alignment. I think it is clear the scum team are playing like scrubs.

Nice shot whoever the vig is. (certainly not Holyflare ahahahahahah)

Koshi now that people have flipped has your read on me changed? Why/why not?

Djo you said that there was one scum between myself and holyflare. Now that holy has flipped town you should be pressuring me correct?

Why have you not mentioned me nor that read at all.



Yeah I should, but GT flipping scum changed my mind. Because GT flipping scum means mafia is doing noting, and you wouldn't have done nothing as mafia. And I'm lazy and I don't want to dive into your filter

But here is a little explanation on my last will: the thing is I was starting to get sold on the fact that HF was scum because Hopeless brought some valid points against him. I thought I was going to get shot by the vig (it's rayn btw) and I wanted to make a last will which would partially "solve" the game. So I was edging the bet I made on HF being maf with you being maf, because you were his main tunnel. Hence the 1 scum in HF/DP with more chances for him to be HF.

Also I'm not interested in anyone but Oats at the moment. No real idea who could be the last mafia. I could lynch Slam by elimination but not today.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 00:06 GMT
#3113
On March 22 2014 08:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh yeah what the hell djodref. before flip you said 1 scum between dp/hf. did you forget?


No but as said above GT flipping scum made me reconsider what happened D1. I don't see scum DP fitting well in it.

I also feel better about this game now that HF is dead and won't post anymore
Joking aside, I'm glad that rayn shot GT over me, and I'm going to stop martyr and complain and hopefully not getting lynched while finding the last mafia players so we score a perfect game.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 00:25 GMT
#3117
On March 22 2014 09:16 Koshi wrote:
Djodref. What am I going to do with you?

thrawn/Oats scummers that were pushing your mislynch? Could it be?


I think Oats is scum. He just disappeared from the thread after we discussed about the evidences I gathered against him.
And I'm his top scumread, so he is not giving the good fight I expect from town Oats who is quite vindictive, at least I remember him like that.
Thrawn I don't think so, what do you have against him, I mean more than the fact that he is not actively solving the game iirc ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 11:01 GMT
#3196
On March 22 2014 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My case is Oats is not happy with vigi shooting mafia godfather.
That's so bad he has to be mafia.

How about djo flipping means im confirmed town + we lynch giggle today anyway.


How can you be so sure I'm mafia ?

@poof

Regarding HF's kill, there are possibilities

1) DP is mafia
2) mafia wanted to frame DP
3) mafia hated like HF's spam -> joke

I personally don't think it's 1 because scum DP would have tried harder to push other lynches than GT and Vivax ones.
The truth I should look closer on how he tried to push your lynch, and also a closer look on DP and HF cases on general, but that's a fuckton of work and I hope the game is going to be solved by cop or better players before I have to do that.
Also I think the priority is to lynch Oats today.

On a side note, I would say that mafia use the Luger on HF and the real kill on Koshi. Rayn was getting protected for sure so you want to shut down another town hero. If that's the case, I don't think HF kill is so relevant.
But it means that Koshi list could be more threatening to mafia than, let's say, Palmar's list...

Interesting...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 12:09 GMT
#3199
thrawn2112
DarthPunk
Hopeless1der
djodref
Holyflare
VisceraEyes
raynpelikoneet
Vivax
Coagulation
tehpoofter
Oatsmaster
GiggleTummy
Koshi
Palmar
Alakaslam


Here is the information that everyone has. We could let the cop claim and play imba "follow the cop" from here now that mafia RB and mafia GF and Luger are out. I think we have enough mislynches to get all the info we need. Right ?
We could start a MS paint drawing contest instead !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 22 2014 12:20 GMT
#3200
It doesn't work if the cop is Slam though...
But if the cop gets red check or even the scummiest town players around confirmed, we cannot lose this game. And it will force the mafia to snipe the doc, meaning rayn and koshi stay alive longer.

Thoughs ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 18:44 GMT
#3629
One of my cats died last night so here is my painting for today. His name was Nemo


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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 18:45 GMT
#3630
Also I have to catch up now, busy week-end...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:32 GMT
#3637
On March 23 2014 05:53 Alakaslam wrote:
So I have read nothing. Thrawn there is WIFOM, as there always is. But by Kenpachi you and dp are scum and by Rayn dp and oats are scum.

From what I have read, dp has two strikes

Koshi I am insane of course I would be a 'publican GTPO


On March 23 2014 07:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol Koshi I haven't read much

In fact I don't know what post u r talking about

See

I am openly insane on TL since I went and posted a hitler photo and people thought I was godwin's lawwing the thread when really I was pointing out that a great point about guns by CCstealthblue is irrelevant in the real world because some people are really geneologically stubborn and won't forget what happened to their ancestors. Therefore they will draw illogical conclusions and fight tooth and nail for guns (and even make them) even if they are illegalized and therefore criminals will alway have access. So, I posted one of these group's posters as an illustration of that point- now I am a gun and bible toting faggot hater racist sexist bigot "homophobe" (I still resent that term) who used the hitler argument.

Sence everyone else cannot think laterally, I am insane and proud of it

Where was I?


I think Slam blatantly lied here. I'd like to lynch him over Oats now. Oats at least put some effort today to defend himself.
I'm ok with his lynch but I agree with DP when he says Slam is a better lynch for today.
Is that still possible? I don't want to get lynched in the process...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:35 GMT
#3641
I'm pretty sure that Slam read this post and lied about it...
He knew Koshi called him insane in one of his posts.

On March 21 2014 21:18 Koshi wrote:
List time:

Town hero tier
Palmar
rayn
kosher

leaning town tier

Oats
Giggletummy
poof
Holyflare

Insane tier
Slam

leaning scum tier
VE
Hopeless

Scum tier
Darthpunk
thrawn
Djodref

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#3643
On March 24 2014 04:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
djo? you tunnel oats for the entire game and now you want to take a much riskier lynch option?


Yeah, because of DP points, and Slam lied batlantly. It's worse than what I have against Oats.
I don't mind Oats being lynched today but I would rather have Slam dead right now. Are you in ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#3644
On March 24 2014 04:36 Koshi wrote:
djof. On which page are you?


I'm all caught up now, I read everything before posting again
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:43 GMT
#3650
On March 24 2014 04:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 04:32 Djodref wrote:
On March 23 2014 05:53 Alakaslam wrote:
So I have read nothing. Thrawn there is WIFOM, as there always is. But by Kenpachi you and dp are scum and by Rayn dp and oats are scum.

From what I have read, dp has two strikes

Koshi I am insane of course I would be a 'publican GTPO


On March 23 2014 07:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Lol Koshi I haven't read much

In fact I don't know what post u r talking about

See

I am openly insane on TL since I went and posted a hitler photo and people thought I was godwin's lawwing the thread when really I was pointing out that a great point about guns by CCstealthblue is irrelevant in the real world because some people are really geneologically stubborn and won't forget what happened to their ancestors. Therefore they will draw illogical conclusions and fight tooth and nail for guns (and even make them) even if they are illegalized and therefore criminals will alway have access. So, I posted one of these group's posters as an illustration of that point- now I am a gun and bible toting faggot hater racist sexist bigot "homophobe" (I still resent that term) who used the hitler argument.

Sence everyone else cannot think laterally, I am insane and proud of it

Where was I?


I think Slam blatantly lied here. I'd like to lynch him over Oats now. Oats at least put some effort today to defend himself.
I'm ok with his lynch but I agree with DP when he says Slam is a better lynch for today.
Is that still possible? I don't want to get lynched in the process...

So you think alakaslam lied so your 100% scumread that you had in Oats is gone? What part of OAts defense today makes you change your mind? Because a lot of people here want to lynch Oats.


I'm never 100% sure that anyone if mafia. DP posts made me change my mind. You don't lynch someone who is here in the thread to defend himself over someone who is totally absent.
All Slam lied, and I have read Oats again as well and yeah, not so sure anymore than Oats is mafia.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:46 GMT
#3655
On March 24 2014 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Djodref and Oats have both been "yo this other dude is 100% scum" and now when i say "okay fucking kill them both if the other one flips town" they both go "lol okay this other due is actually really good lynch".

Fucking shit, can anyone be this bad as town?
maybe they are just both mafia.


ahah, that's why I have doubts and I can imagine that both of us are town now
What if Slam didn't even read his PM before answering you ? I'm talking about the his first entrance in the thread and the reason why you got him as town.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:53 GMT
#3659
Shit, don't you guys never have last-minute doubts ? like ever ?
I hope I don't get lynched today because I actually came back in the thread and being honest about what I thought after catching up D2...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:55 GMT
#3662
On March 24 2014 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 04:46 Djodref wrote:
On March 24 2014 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like Djodref and Oats have both been "yo this other dude is 100% scum" and now when i say "okay fucking kill them both if the other one flips town" they both go "lol okay this other due is actually really good lynch".

Fucking shit, can anyone be this bad as town?
maybe they are just both mafia.


ahah, that's why I have doubts and I can imagine that both of us are town now
What if Slam didn't even read his PM before answering you ? I'm talking about the his first entrance in the thread and the reason why you got him as town.

Are we doing "what if" scumhunting now?


What about him lying then ? I want to lynch him for that !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 19:57 GMT
#3665
On March 24 2014 04:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
you aren't suspicious of enough people djodref. right now I think you have 1 scumread? if something in the thread happened to make you town read the guy you've been tunneling all game I'd expect your reads to shift quite a bit, but they havent from what I can tell.


I don't have a town read on Oats, it's more like I'm not so sure that he is mafia anymore.
And that's why I wanted to get the lynch on Slam instead. I changed my mind last-minute and wanted to know if it was possible to get Slam lynched instead.
I'm fine with Oats lynch.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:01 GMT
#3668
Come on guys, do you think I would as scum attract so much attention on myself just before the deadline by trying to get the lynch changed when it could also very much backfire on me ?
I just changed my mind on who was the best lynch for today because Slam lied and Oats was here in the thread to defend himself. Slam has better chances to be mafia than Oats at this point, that's all I'm saying !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:03 GMT
#3669
On March 24 2014 04:55 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 04:53 Djodref wrote:
Shit, don't you guys never have last-minute doubts ? like ever ?
I hope I don't get lynched today because I actually came back in the thread and being honest about what I thought after catching up D2...

Did you like VE his posting in the last 24h?
Is he still a scumread for you?


Not so much, but I didn't have time to look at anyone in detail (I mean read the filters again) expect for Oats and Slam...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:15 GMT
#3679
On March 24 2014 05:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 05:01 Djodref wrote:
Come on guys, do you think I would as scum attract so much attention on myself just before the deadline by trying to get the lynch changed when it could also very much backfire on me ?
I just changed my mind on who was the best lynch for today because Slam lied and Oats was here in the thread to defend himself. Slam has better chances to be mafia than Oats at this point, that's all I'm saying !

The only reason you are not lynched and Oats is, is because people put Oats on an higher standard and he didn't deliver this game.

You came back with nothing, except the fact that you read stuff and Oats is not scum anymore so you want to lynch Alakaslam the afker.

There are 2 scum left. Who are they?


I think Slam i scum. After that Oats, if not Oats then VE, then DP.
The others are town.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:20 GMT
#3682
[image loading]
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:21 GMT
#3685
On March 24 2014 05:16 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 05:15 Djodref wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:04 Koshi wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:01 Djodref wrote:
Come on guys, do you think I would as scum attract so much attention on myself just before the deadline by trying to get the lynch changed when it could also very much backfire on me ?
I just changed my mind on who was the best lynch for today because Slam lied and Oats was here in the thread to defend himself. Slam has better chances to be mafia than Oats at this point, that's all I'm saying !

The only reason you are not lynched and Oats is, is because people put Oats on an higher standard and he didn't deliver this game.

You came back with nothing, except the fact that you read stuff and Oats is not scum anymore so you want to lynch Alakaslam the afker.

There are 2 scum left. Who are they?


I think Slam i scum. After that Oats, if not Oats then VE, then DP.
The others are town.

Why DP? You had him as solid town. What changed?


I feel like I'm going to be hammered by Slam in a few seconds, take this as my last will.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:25 GMT
#3689
On March 24 2014 05:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 05:21 Djodref wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:15 Djodref wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:04 Koshi wrote:
On March 24 2014 05:01 Djodref wrote:
Come on guys, do you think I would as scum attract so much attention on myself just before the deadline by trying to get the lynch changed when it could also very much backfire on me ?
I just changed my mind on who was the best lynch for today because Slam lied and Oats was here in the thread to defend himself. Slam has better chances to be mafia than Oats at this point, that's all I'm saying !

The only reason you are not lynched and Oats is, is because people put Oats on an higher standard and he didn't deliver this game.

You came back with nothing, except the fact that you read stuff and Oats is not scum anymore so you want to lynch Alakaslam the afker.

There are 2 scum left. Who are they?


I think Slam i scum. After that Oats, if not Oats then VE, then DP.
The others are town.

Why DP? You had him as solid town. What changed?


I feel like I'm going to be hammered by Slam in a few seconds, take this as my last will.

WE NEED REASONS OR WE DON4T GIVE A FUCK.


well I'm town and this who I think you should lynch after me. So I give my last list.
Very quickly, DP is here because of the attempted night kills.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:33 GMT
#3706
Mafia is a hard game. I'll try to do better next time.
Sorry for having being this shit as town, I had hard times and good times, but I really spent hours reading and reading again (but not three times, just parts here and there). But you cannot admit that you lied to Palmar
I like oranges and bananas !

Go town, this game is won already

mafia should concede imo ^^

play follow the cop !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 23 2014 20:34 GMT
#3707
Sorry host for last post, didn't see the time...

GG
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 25 2014 12:42 GMT
#4259
I don't know, I think I should have been mafia mislynch for D1, so many town players were already on me before GT wagon really started to get traction...

I would like to praise both Palmar and DP for the effort they put into this game, it's really hard to imagine people posting as much as scum and even if some posts were scummy, it's hard to really get to the incriminating part with such huge filters.

Of course, rayn and koshi deserve some praise as well. I think you could try to soften up a little rayn because some of your agressive posts really put me in a position where I didn't want to try anymore.

Holyflare, you may be right, but your play is almost anti-town. I had to spend so much time trying to get where you were going, and try to get if you were mafia or not.

As for me, I'll do better next time
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 25 2014 13:03 GMT
#4265
On March 25 2014 21:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 21:42 Djodref wrote:
I don't know, I think I should have been mafia mislynch for D1, so many town players were already on me before GT wagon really started to get traction...

I would like to praise both Palmar and DP for the effort they put into this game, it's really hard to imagine people posting as much as scum and even if some posts were scummy, it's hard to really get to the incriminating part with such huge filters.

Of course, rayn and koshi deserve some praise as well. I think you could try to soften up a little rayn because some of your agressive posts really put me in a position where I didn't want to try anymore.

Holyflare, you may be right, but your play is almost anti-town. I had to spend so much time trying to get where you were going, and try to get if you were mafia or not.

As for me, I'll do better next time


if you actually read the content that would be cool, there are filter buttons for that.


Too much spam in your filter. But you made some really cool points at some times. I really liked this post for example + Show Spoiler +
On March 20 2014 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 20 2014 18:46 Djodref wrote:
@Holyflare

I don't think DP is going to get lynched today, and I would certainly not vote him at the moment.
I'm surprised you didn't really mention me yet as I have him as town right now (and also because I'm a real potential lynch for today).
Do you really expect people to lynch DP today ? If yes, please tell me who do you expect to join your wagon, because I certainly I'm not.
Also I want you to give your views about the most likely lynch targets for today, i.e. GT, poof and me.


I do not care whether he is getting lynched today or not I'm pointing out the obvious crappy wool he is pulling over your eyes. It is easy to look like a towny when you know alignments. Say, if you're town and everyone else reads someone as scummy it's easy to say "but wait these things come from towny aha"! Even worse still he doesn't directly say that he thinks you are towny which gives him an out to talk about you as scum later.

GT looked towny for his case but the things he said around it "stop" this useless talk when we were getting into detail about his read on me and his talk about rayn are scummy as hell, coupled with what i said avout him earlier he looks quite likely to be mafia

Poof was initially newbie video mafia read, now he's looking more scummy, especially after disagreeing about the read on dp and calling it meh but not stating why, he even pointed out a part he didn't like for not making sense but was correct which is very odd.

Not read you tbh will do it at a computer later

.
It spent too much time to try to understand in detail what was happening during coag and rayn, and then I had to deal with the shitfest between DP and you.
Then I saw your cases, and then I didn't take the time to check them properly. I mean that I read them but I didn't want to get into the details, and that's a shame, but you are not concise and convincing enough. But I only give you my impressions for this game
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 25 2014 13:22 GMT
#4269
Anyway, DP claiming cop was weird for other reasons.
I don't understand how you justify to be begging in the thread to be checked by the cop and then claim to be the cop yourself. I thought that rayn was referencing to this honestly when I saw the post "do you see what I'm seeing?".

I have to agree with DP that it's unfair though, and also town being in a position where just playing "follow the cop" is possible is a little lame imho. Even if given the possibility I would 100% do it ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 25 2014 13:30 GMT
#4274
On March 25 2014 22:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On March 25 2014 22:22 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, DP claiming cop was weird for other reasons.
I don't understand how you justify to be begging in the thread to be checked by the cop and then claim to be the cop yourself. I thought that rayn was referencing to this honestly when I saw the post "do you see what I'm seeing?".

I have to agree with DP that it's unfair though, and also town being in a position where just playing "follow the cop" is possible is a little lame imho. Even if given the possibility I would 100% do it ^^

begging for cop claims as cop isnt that farfetched. It keeps suspicion on you and scum bullets off you which is kind of what you want as blue.


I don't know, I think the best you can do to get scum bullets off your back is just not taking part of all the blue wifom talk at night. If you check the scum qt, you are never been mentioned as a potential cop or medic. Your attitude is simply the best to have I guess
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 25 2014 13:36 GMT
#4278
On March 25 2014 22:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On March 25 2014 22:30 Djodref wrote:
On March 25 2014 22:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
On March 25 2014 22:22 Djodref wrote:
Anyway, DP claiming cop was weird for other reasons.
I don't understand how you justify to be begging in the thread to be checked by the cop and then claim to be the cop yourself. I thought that rayn was referencing to this honestly when I saw the post "do you see what I'm seeing?".

I have to agree with DP that it's unfair though, and also town being in a position where just playing "follow the cop" is possible is a little lame imho. Even if given the possibility I would 100% do it ^^

begging for cop claims as cop isnt that farfetched. It keeps suspicion on you and scum bullets off you which is kind of what you want as blue.


I don't know, I think the best you can do to get scum bullets off your back is just not taking part of all the blue wifom talk at night. If you check the scum qt, you are never been mentioned as a potential cop or medic. Your attitude is simply the best to have I guess

i was hoping to leverage my scumminess into developing a redcheck, which is probably why I was so set on checking holyflare, because he was one of the only people to call me scum.


Did you have any other checks in mind for N2 ? Or were you set to check Slam ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
March 26 2014 09:34 GMT
#4374
Oh yeah, I also forgot to say that I was impressed by everyone's paint skils !
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