Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T] - Page 72

On March 07 2014 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fucking tired of discussing this with you two because you have no idea what you are talking about.

On March 07 2014 08:34 austinmcc wrote:
But this is such a ... good response. If rayn believes 100000% in his plan, and things go WRONG with the plan, then LSB is right. There's no upside. Either rayn is trying to get a townie lynched, or rayn is mafia AND THE WHOLE PLAN WAS CREATED BY MAFIA IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD THING.

On March 06 2014 22:21 Xatalos wrote:


Lol.... Dunno how I could miss that post. Phoneposting sucks etc. Well, that's good then.



I picked 8 4 in the end. Seems like it wasn't such a good idea... There were less clashes than I thought.

I also sent in my role choice, but apparently this choice isn't permanent, so it's not like it matters too much.

A lot has happened while I was away. Mainly austin and gumshoe have come under new suspicion. Both resisted rayn's plan for bad reasons. Also LSB remains as a suspect. prphlz not so much anymore. I dunno about him, but at least he's pretty active in the discussion, so I'm not too fond of lynching him.

I'm not truly sold on gumshoe. His stance against rayn here reminds me of his stance against me in GoT Mafia (I was pretty clearly townie and putting in a lot of effort, but he kept opposing me for dumb reasons). Then he pretty much went AFK and was town KP'd. On the other hand, as scum (granted it was a long time ago) he was a lot more passive and unnoticeable. Does he do this thing where he baits a lynch on himself as scum nowadays?

austin... He's really focused on a pretty irrelevant topic (unlikely host speculation). I guess he does have a point, but it's not like all the roles will be greatly changed (maybe like DT, but probably not much else). I don't think it's that bad to talk about this topic in itself, but he hasn't really done anything else worthwhile. Most importantly he has done nothing to help with the D1 lynch and has just 100% focused on a pretty irrelevant branch of the PYP stuff. He's certainly null at best and slightly scummy at worst (for contributing in a way that's overall not helpful and even anti-town by distracting the discussion and undermining rayn's plan).

LSB has also mostly attacked rayn's plan, but at least he had some slight contributions to scumhunting (rayn+austin+Hopeless). Although he seems VERY fast to jump to conclusions (rayn Mafia for shaky reasons, austin Mafia for one post (?), Hopeless Mafia for sheeping...). His crusade against rayn is also very tunnely and doesn't seem genuinely concerned about the best direction for town. It's more like he just wants to attack it for the sake of attacking it, not to determine if it's truly useful or not. His play is just pretty scummy and even at best it's just null.

Hopeless seems to have dropped from the discussion entirely. He's an extreme sheep but I don't really think he's Mafia for it. More like just lazy/insecure. We'll see if he'll push anything of his own.

I'm starting to feel pretty scum on yamato. True, he didn't pick 1 1 at the start, but even more worryingly he's become very antagonistic and useless. It's kinda like here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=yamato77 On the other hand, as town, he usually feels quite townish (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=yamato77 - although it was a PM game so part of his contributions were in PM land).

My preferred lynches would be yamato/LSB/austin atm. gumshoe doesn't really fit in my lynch candidates unless I'm convinced that this is scum gumshoe playing like this (against my experiences with him).

Also someone pointed out that there isn't necessary a Survivor in this setup. And that seems to be the case currently, I guess.

On March 07 2014 08:48 Xatalos wrote:
Well basically you had a slight point about there being changes to the roles based on if the receiver is town/Mafia. It's certainly possible and worth some thought. But it's not a reason to shut down the plan and certainly not worth spending a ton of time on when clearly it's just unlikely that this branch of thought would have any major impact.

On March 07 2014 09:00 Xatalos wrote:
Well, the bad reason is just that, that the host could change the roles after they're given out. Certainly there could be some slight changes, for example to DT (since otherwise it would be useless for Mafia), but that's just a bad reason to undermine the plan. But if you don't think I'm scum then why are you focusing so much on me?

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On March 07 2014 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
"You picked [blue]Day vigilante[blue]. Actually you don't have a gun but instead you have two smellyflowers you can give to people of your choice. Smellyflowers smell so bad the person is unable to post in thread for 24 hours once they have been given a smellyflower. Now i know you wanted to be a day vigilante but instead you became smellyflowerguy so trololol i'm a b-mod!"

-austin