Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T] - Page 52

On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:
Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons

Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum.

For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps.

Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon?

On March 06 2014 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should take a look at the gsl mini xata, gum was quite proactive there.

On March 06 2014 22:58 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't understand how a town gumshoe can go against rayn when it's abundantly clear he hasn't properly read his plan or his posts.

On March 06 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Muuuuust ressist dessssire to lurk cause Xata T_Y GAAAAAR. oK I hast broken curse for short time, the only long term answer is to KILL XATALOS.

In all seriusness, dumb/policy lynches are a baaaaaahd idea, even for das jokes, we have a disgusting amount of kp floating around and some of it may very well fall into scum hands. Despite that possibility, scum dont even need the guns, just the bullets to fly in the wrong directions. In fact whereas town need to abuse the fact that they have far more control of the setup, all scum need to do is play standard.

If they can just look better than town, this game can be over extremely fast, thats why I personally feel that Artanis and Palmer are town, because while they're behaviour is unlikely to get them lynched (and shouldn't in fact, we need to be damm sure about our lynches) it IS likely to get them shot.

Honestly I dont think anyone would really bat an eye if Artanis died over night(sorry best buddy ) : ) if scum play jokey its such a simple thing for them to get caught out. For that reason, I expect scum to be playing a bit more serious, it's something that might get them lynched in the long run, but the bullets are likely to be spent by night 2 and where they land will probally decide the game anyway.

This brings me to my person of interest.

Rayn : Has clearly thought out the setup throughly, he came into this game knowing exactly what he wanted to do and I'm damm sure he would have led the charge as scum or town. His plan has allowed him reasonable positioning pecking order wise, but it's also led to town discussion and formation, taking into account that scum need to play competently to win this game I would consider his organizational efforts a wash.

Less neutral a factor alignment wise is that rayns been playing extremely aggressive this game, picking away at the likes of Palmer and others. Rayn sees himself as an aggressive town player, personally I find he is an adaptive one, bringing out aggression when its called for not just for the sake of it. When Rayns scum though, he plays to his idea of himself and is far more pushy, often feeling as if he needs to jump on things before anyone else. I will be taking 2,1 because I dont trust Rayn atm and I rather neither he not get the one of his choice. As for his plan, I think it's fine so long as rayn doesn't get a gun, I'd prefer if Artanis and palmer could take hold of the heat.

As for LSb's issues with the plan, I dont see a problem with it myself, I'm sure Rayn thought it out pre game so it's fine either way as long as the right people are on top. I doubt scum would so openly disagree with it, they're probably going to just secretly pick whatever number they want. Openly attacking a plan thats gaining momentum seems silly / :

Anyone have any questions for me? I got a bit before I need to go.

On February 16 2014 17:20 gumshoe wrote:
Haro! So I've pretty much blitzed through the thread, but obviously the most recent event eclipses everything that came before it so I've reconfigured most of my reads in light of it. The only reason I can see Moc quitting like he has is if he feels like his scum team has completely failed him, which he straight up acknowledges in the case of Rayn. Gives me the sense that most of his scum team are incompetent and already under pressure. I also dont think hed reveal like this if there were one or two members of his team on at his time of confession, which would be a bit of a dick move, this tentatively clears Grack( who I had pinged as null) thrawn(his posting aggravates me a smidge just like in the last serius game we played, so probs town) and bum, all of whom had decent thread presence and posted within a couple hours of mocstas confession. Bum I especially consider townie because of how seemingly sincere hes been in his attempts to push discussion, case in point this post glows green to my eyes.

"It seems like you have a stronger read on Vivax then you do QuantomPope. Can you respond to what he has said. I would appreciate if you two(three?) would hash out what you think of each other. I'm in the same boat with your scum list, but because you don't go into much detail, I can't benefit from what you think!"

An attempt at getting a contribution out of a player whose likely to be lynched comes off as a weird scum play, unless that scum player is totally confident that the townie will provide misinformation. Something I dont think a scum bum would count on.

Vivax also posted within range of the confession, but even disregarding that I honestly cant believe Mocsta would quit like this if he had Vivax on his team. Same reasoning applies to rob.

Which leaves a pool of six within which lies the last two scum.

1:Shiapi: Has done extremely little for town, that much hasnt changed, Round hasnt really said much on him all game long, usually deflecting questions or arguments against him onto someone else, only once he became the clear lynch did Moc/rayn hop on the wagon faithfully. A shiapi scum partner would def fit the bad scum team narrative.

2:Mattchew: Posts a bunch of one liners, mostly comments on others reads, has a relative amount of heat on him, thread presence low to medium. I dont think hes scum with shiapi unless shiao called his mother a goat or something. Although that would explain Mocs exasperation with his team, meh.

3: Quantom Pope: Extremely low content, could definitely see Mocsta getting pissed about being with this guy.

4:Mordanis: His early posts look like they have some actual, albiet befuddled, thought to them but his targets are odd, and bieng reasonable more often than not does not translate to bieng townie. He goes after Rob and Vivax, two relatively green players at the time, strange choices even if you take into account the volatile nature of any games start. Another odd thing is Rounds hard defense of him.

"I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.."

at the time Mordanis had done a decent amount of contribution, but it's odd just how far Round sticks his neck out for him, going so far as to call his posts the best thread... Not even sure if Rayn's the kinda player to do that if they were buddies. Could just as well be post flip posturing on a possible lynch target, a motive backed up by Rayns willingness to change his stance on Mord as scum got more desperate for a lynch. Definitely a frustrating scum partner to have, so Mord does fit the terrible scum team theory.

5: Sidesprang: Not much of a contributor, but reads townie to me . Him asking for my replacement seems like a pretty unscummy thing to do, scum would want my slot to stay inactive as long as possible, yet here he is pretty much begging for a real contributor. Also his asking for a townie certificate... Considering the dark green and bloody history of Coag's accursed emblem, seems pretty brazen. Oh and his first vote, although a light hearted one, was on Mocsta... yeah maybe hes scum? Extremely reckless if thats the case, doesn't ultimately read red to me.

6: Jar Jar: least scummy of the bunch, has his own thoughts, pushes his own reads, generally helps town, I can elaborate if anyone likes but if you read through his filter you can see that although sherlock he aint, hes certainly doing more for town than anyone else on this list,(admittedly not saying much.)

Thats all for now, if anyone has any questions, I'll answer them tomorrow, it's been a long day, gl and good night town.

Oh and regardless of all this, no reason to not vote round. Hurray for free lynch!

On March 06 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote:
The funny thing is that gumshoe doesn't have to be mafia really but every time someone defends him it makes me want to lynch him more because the defences are so atrocious.

On March 06 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
I have been thinking about Oats a little. I wonder if it's worth someone near the bottom of the draft 2nd picking Universal Backup, just in case :x