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Okay so I re-read everything again. This is more to help me than to interact about the following but it's helpful to me. I'm kind of having a hard time following the thread because the names are similar (keep mixing up moose and mirks) and the posts all look the same (needs AVATARS). Here are the basic events in order:
Robik going hard at mirks (I like this).
me telling mirks we need more reads from him and to clarify what he's doing, and I reiterate this later (I don't like that he never responded)
mirks going hard at sqrt (I don't like this).
Moose wants to lynch me, pretzel or thorgear for not posting yet, tambo thinks that's scummy (I agree)
sqrt makes a big case on mirks and votes him (I like this), reads tambo soft mafia, and reads robik and cruisette as town (I like this whole post in retrospect, but I think I disagree with the conclusion about tambo)
Moose comes at mirks, cruisette and tambo in one post here (I hate this post, especially the end about how consensus shouldn't dictate who you vote)
mirks votes sqrt (hate hate hate)
I come in and make a long post with a lot of reads, concluding that Cruisette is the best vote and that Cruisette, mirks and pretzel would probably contain all mafia through process of elimination. Oops.
tambo likes my reads and post (I was wrong but I feel like this was genuine from him, not mafia from him)
tambo posts reads on EVERYONE but votes Cruisette (I still think that's reasonable)
Cruisette gets lynched and flips town.
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mirks you're making it sound like the game comes down to whether the wolf team is exactly sqrt and thor, or Moose and you, and if I have to make that decision I'm going with Moose and you over both of them, based on tone and content
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I still want Moose to tell us what he meant by "the last mafia"
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Yeah I've got sqrt and tambo as probably town by a wide margin over mirks and Moose and by a smaller margin over Thor. Mirks's post means, from my perspective, that he pretty much has to believe that the wolf team is sqrt and thor, and that doesn't work for me. What's a good explanation for why something doesn't work for me? Probably that it just doesn't work but he doesn't have a better option.
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Oh, I want to clear tambo because his posts make it clear he's trying to puzzle out the game and I feel I can understand his reads. Also he's taking the time to make long posts of his own accord instead of after being prodded. Also he popped in from work lunch with thoughts he was probably mulling over during work, which suggests he's probably just trying to solve a puzzle and wants to be heard. That's town to me.
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And you is kind of just a tone read but whatever, you're similar to him and I think I can roll with that today.
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Also mirks tried to lynch you on some shit I still do not understand and that he hasn't explained to me even though I've been asking.
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Yeah I thought no lynch had been explained as the obviously superior thing to do today.
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##Vote: No Lynch
More to say later, mirks I want to talk with you before today ends because I think I'm gonna die and I want to give a good read on you before I'm gone.
Start here: I don't agree with you at all about sqrt and haven't one time thought I was wrong about that read.
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On March 10 2014 23:05 mirks wrote:
I get it, you think he's town. I disagree, and I know my alignment, I don't know yours, so my reads trumps yours. I've explained it, even he explained it to you. Care to explain what makes him town?
I don't get you defending him, if sqrt is mafia its almost certain that tambo is his partner. He laid a case against him day 1 and since then has left him out of his mafia reads but still seems concerned with questioning people on tambo's alignment. So why don't you see sqrt as mafia?
I can't tell if this is to me but I'm going to assume it is since this is what I want to talk about. I'm pretty sure sqrt is town because he's making posts that seem town:
On March 06 2014 05:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Again, you guys have a bit of a understanding of how each other play, giving you guys the advantage. Now, assume if all of you are town. Because you're not paying attention to the other people, you will just fight each other, accusing such and such because of previous habits that only you guys know, and end up lynching each other. Then mafia win. However, if one or more of you are mafia, that guy (or guys) would probably try to get the people who know their habits and playstyles out of the way, trying to eliminate people who may find something slip from them.
I already said this post is super town but I'm happy to reiterate it here: the part in bold is really really clever mafia posting if it actually is mafia posting, which I really doubt.
On March 06 2014 06:08 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
As it is a new game type for me also.
The interaction between Robik and Moose is, I think simply townies probing for information. Which is great.
I say we probe everyone, especially those who haven't posted since the game started. But, if the interaction between you two becomes a hostility, then all the mafia need to do is to you guys fight it out, ending in a couple of free kills.
Another good motivation post.
On March 06 2014 06:14 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
mirks, what's your take on this?
Starts immediately probing you.
Right after Cruisette gets lynched and flips town sqrt says:
On March 08 2014 09:05 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Since I've only played IRL mafia, speaking at night is strange.
At least my Cruisette read was correct.
Which I find to be another post too clever for mafia, especially since it's followed up by another good example of thinking about the game:
On March 09 2014 05:42 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Anyone willing to say that they were roleblocked?
I wasn't.
So basically sqrt wants to get things right and sounds town and I don't see any reason to think otherwise. For you it's because sqrt voted you, which isn't a reason as much as spite.
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Thor, do you remember what you were trying to say when you said "the last mafia"?
Also you have it wrong, my strongest mafia reads are mirks and Moose, not you. Not sure where you're getting that.
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Not thor, Moose. That whole post is wrong, I mixed you guys up.
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So let's just try that again:
MOOSE, do you remember what you were trying to say when you said "the last mafia"?
Also you have it kinda wrong still, I don't think it's you and then either mirks or thor, I think you and mirks are mafia and thor would be my fall back option that we don't even have time for anyway.
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On March 12 2014 06:00 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 01:42 CPHoya wrote:
Thor, do you remember what you were trying to say when you said "the last mafia"?
Also you have it wrong, my strongest mafia reads are mirks and Moose, not you. Not sure where you're getting that. Do you think mirks and thor are together or mirks and Moose? I know you posted you meant to say MOOSE instead of thor, but did you also mean to say the reverse in the second line as well? From my experience in mafia and looking at voting patterns all 4 people who voted on Cruisette are still alive so I know there is at least one mafia in there. Furthermore, I think it would be extremely ballsy for both mafia to vote on a town in this set up as it would give them away really easily IMO. Entering this day the person I wanted to pressure the most is Moose but from my previous statement I think mirks is probably our best lynch. Reading over the votes on Cruiestte, mirks was the first person to vote on Cruisette and then he switched his vote to sqrt who we now know is town. Easily can be done if he sees his partner has already voted on her and can split his vote for credibility. Now I dont know who he would be partnered is a mystery to me right now. Thinking about it makes me think it could probably be Moose because of that word slip but Im not sure.
I think it's mirks and Moose, I was pretty clear about that yesterday. Plus with sqrt flipping town I feel good about my reads. It is a little odd that you don't remember what I said about mirks and Moose since I said it twice and reiterated it.
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On March 12 2014 08:16 mtamburini wrote:
No action today huh? I really wanted some people to talk by now as were in lylo. So I will give you guys something to talk about when you do decide to read this.
I am Rick "Ace" Lewis and I got some information last night. There was a DIFFERENT check between 2 people. Someone has some explaining to do.
Moose was checked n1 and CPHoya checked n2.
One of you CC me please it would make this game a lot easier.
lol at this being the next thing I read
##Vote: Moose
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On March 12 2014 10:40 mirks wrote:
##Vote: Thorgear
Tambo, I feel like it's been explained far too much this game why I switched my vote. I thought sqrt was more scummy based on his day 1 long post in which he voted me for nebulous reasons. The logic is that mafia will defend a potential lynch who is town. Which made sense to me has he put hard point against you and voted me. Now that we know hes town I don't really care to talk about it, I was wrong, oh well. But the logic applies to thorgear aswell and I now know hes mafia.
I've been a target and thorgear he has been subtly defending me since day 1. I read him as super town for that but in reality he was defending me incase I was the day 2 lynch, barring a modkill.
So we lynch Moose and then the problem is if you're town this vote is going to end up dooming you because it just looks like you want the other mislynch and the win right now. The cop just claimed, it's obviously me or Moose.
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I don't see how the word slip would be a strike against me (again, we need avatars). From your perspective I'd think you'd see that I'm sort of obvious (?) and we'd just lynch Moose and try to win tomorrow but if we have to let's talk it out.
Also I had the thought that if you're mafia your equity to fake claim Ace is pretty high since there's no guarantee that there even was an Ace in the game in the first place (meaning 50% of the time a counter-claim would be impossible) and even if there was you can be pretty roughly 60% confident that he's dead anyway. Then all you have to do is fake claim with two town and naturally one will die since there won't be a counter, and that's game over. This scares me.
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Actually the elite play would be for both to claim and force a 0% success rate lynch outside the claims.
*trap set*
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Tambo I don't believe there's merit in me telling you why I think you should think that I am town when the only real reason is you can tell I'm reading in real time as opposed to just saying things to say them. And of course I've been right on a lot while just dramatically wrong on Cruisette, who would've been lynched whether I was wrong or not.
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The point there being I didn't need to get out in front of lynching Cruisette and wouldn't have if I were mafia.
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