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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
- you shat on the VE lynch although it isn't clear that Killing wouldn't have also been a mislynch although you yourself said on day1 that you would want the lynch to be between VE/Killing - you seem to decide someone is scum before making the actual arguments for this to be the case - you called it scummy for dandel to switch to VE and you would also have called it scummy if he stayed on templar. - you call for a lynch on Killing yet your reasoning is basically that it gives us information and nothing else - you don't seem to be interested in finding out more about the alignment of your targets - you are still voting for someone you admitted could be town - you are raging instead of discussing actual points | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 09 2014 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: (1): Throughout this whole game, I havent felt like Rayn really wanted to solve the game and thats one of my biggest problems with him. Also contradictory. [...] (2): He doesnt try and convince anyone to vote for GGTemp here but just a while ago, he asked us to make a case/convince people on Grack if we wanted to move votes. Actions dont match his words. and [...] (3): he totally drops this read in favor of lynching GGtemp, never really talks to Grack about lynch VE, the top propnent towards his lynch. Basically it doesnt look like he wants to find scum, just push people who look bad. 1) I have tried to solve the game. I have had clear reads and i have given reasoning for my reads. All game long. 2) This is not true (see (3) for more details). Also the situation here is completely different. Here we have 7,5 hours until lynch, there are 3 people who have voted and one real case. At the time you quoted my post we were ~24h into the game, you can't compare these situations because 24h before the deadline you don't need to necessarily push a lynch. I was waiting on other people to give their opinions, because as it has happened many times, if i am wrong on D1 people just sheep my case, we mislynch and there is no information to gain. At that time I wanted more opinions and there is nothing wrong/scummy in that. 3) Complete misrepresentation of my D1. I never dropped my read on GGtemplar. My vote ended up on him. That in itself proves you wrong. Also you said i did not push his lynch. That's not true. After boone claimed madic i made a huge fucking case on templar and every single one of my posts on D1 after that was pushing templar lynch forward. at the time i went to sleep (my last post)... On March 06 2014 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: just read posts and lynch mafia plz. this guys should be called OMGUStemplar. .. he was a vote leader tied with Killing. Also you are saying "i am not trying to find scum, just pushing people who look bad". I don't know what you mean by "people who look bad". I push people whose actions do not make sense from town perspective. Of course scum "look bad" BECAUSE THAY ARE MAFIA! PEOPLE WHO LOOK BAD ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE MAFIA OATS!!! People who do not make sense are more likely to be mafia. seriously, do you even know what makes people mafia??? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Did you even read my posts from D1 when you made that "case"? | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:31 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, since nobody seems to bother I will summarize the points dandel brought up against you robik (if I am forgetting something someone should point that out). You might feel like you answered them somewhere already - doesn't matter please do so again if you can. - you shat on the VE lynch although it isn't clear that Killing wouldn't have also been a mislynch although you yourself said on day1 that you would want the lynch to be between VE/Killing - you seem to decide someone is scum before making the actual arguments for this to be the case - you called it scummy for dandel to switch to VE and you would also have called it scummy if he stayed on templar. - you call for a lynch on Killing yet your reasoning is basically that it gives us information and nothing else - you don't seem to be interested in finding out more about the alignment of your targets - you are still voting for someone you admitted could be town - you are raging instead of discussing actual points Thanks JAT - you shat on the VE lynch although it isn't clear that Killing wouldn't have also been a mislynch although you yourself said on day1 that you would want the lynch to be between VE/Killing This may have been a bit of hindsight 20/20. I have a lot of experience with Killing and believe that he is not playing his town game. I pointed out several discrepancies in his d1 play. I didn't/don't 100% believe Boone's claim and with her being on VE, I thought that Joey was by far the better lynch. The push away from Joey onto VE was a bit sketchy given that we know that VE is town. This opinion obviously changes if Joey is town -- but I doubt that's the case - you seem to decide someone is scum before making the actual arguments for this to be the case - you called it scummy for dandel to switch to VE and you would also have called it scummy if he stayed on templar. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking when I wrote those things, but I can tell you now why I may have wrote them...well at least the templar part. There was a big push away from Templar yesterday and VE and Killing became the top two lynch candidates. Dandelion was around, so if he kept his vote on a person that wasn't likely to get lynched instead of making a decision at the end, I would have considered that scummy (it's a wasted vote that gives us no information moving forward) --> which reminds me, I don't know if Rayn was around, but his vote definitely ended up on someone that doesn't tell us how he feels about either VE or Killing. - you call for a lynch on Killing yet your reasoning is basically that it gives us information and nothing else Resolving d1 wagons is important as it (at least for me) gives information regardless of what Killing flips as. If you'd like me to go ahead and reiterate my case against Joey, I'll gladly do that again. - you don't seem to be interested in finding out more about the alignment of your targets This is simply not true. I don't know what gives people the impression, but I want to lynch scum. The way that I approach it might not be the way everyone else does it, but in the end, that's the result I want. I want scum dead. - you are still voting for someone you admitted could be town It's just a placeholder because I don't know where I want to go or what would gain traction. I don't think I've made a strong enough case on anyone, but I never do. THat's not my forte. My forte is usually to be able to clear myself and put my thoughts out there. I will speak up as to what my thoughts are, but because of the way that I play, it is a tad difficult to articulate why I think certain people are scummier than others. If you'd like an example of my play, please look into the most recent GSL game, where I started off by randomly clearing people just based off of certain posts they make and general tone and whatnot. - you are raging instead of discussing actual points I may have overreacted but I was soooooo furious yesterday. I was sitting at work and my face was red. Coworkers were asking me if I was ok...that's how mad I was. I had to take a couple ibuprofens because my head started hurting. I am much calmer now and I am trying to play in a more rationale manner. I hope that answers any questions that anyone can have with regards to my play. I hope that you can see the town mindset behind all of my thoughts. If you have any more questions I would be more than happy to address them. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
And it looks like GGtemp is town. Why didnt you talk to Grack about VE? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:49 justanothertownie wrote: Ok rayn, but you are really only pushing one lynch (yesterday it was templar - why is he not your lynch today btw?, today it is robik) and it doesn't seem like you are trying to figure anything out besides that. You aren't questioning people the way I would expect you to. If robik continues what he is doing now, maybe shows some interest in scumhunting i am willing to consider someone else as a lynch, templar/Killing. The PYP game was much more interesting than this one on D1 and i had already made my case on who i believed to be mafia and i don't like repeating myself. I expect people to read my posts. I don't understand what you mean by "questioning people the way i would expect you to" so i can't really answer that. On March 09 2014 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I literally mean 'look bad' there. Look bad could be lynchbait. And it looks like GGtemp is town. Why didnt you talk to Grack about VE? Please Oats, never ever bring up the lynchbait argument when you are talking to me. I lynch people who are scummy, i don't give a fuck if they are lynchbaits as town or whatever, because lynchbaits can also be mafia. I just lynched Corazon in Survivor game, which you were in. He was scummy as fuck, you could argue he was a "lynchbait", i don't care. I lynch people who are scummy. I don't understand what i was supposed to talk to Grack about VE? I wanted to lynch templar, why would i talk about VE? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
You clearly dont get my lynchbait point, Im saying that you are finding shit that looks bad at first glance rather than finding shit that makes someone scum rather than bad town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 09 2014 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Because you said you also could lynch VE and Grack was the VE pusher. Wasnt there any kinda moment where you were, "so VE or GGtemp?". You clearly dont get my lynchbait point, Im saying that you are finding shit that looks bad at first glance rather than finding shit that makes someone scum rather than bad town. Green part: Based on one post, yes. ggtemplar made an equally bad post regarding the situation. VE gave an explanation to the post. templar didn't. templar was scummier than VE before that. wtf? No, there was no "VE or templar" moment, as i clearly said when i wrote "VOTE STANDS" in the post you quoted. I made it bold and all caps so you can't misrepresent it any more. Red part: That's not true. Show me where i have done so, because i have not. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
I would probably lynch Killing (promised to prove he is town and didn't do so) or Palmar (dude is just skating by right now). I am torn on robik. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On March 09 2014 02:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Green part: Based on one post, yes. ggtemplar made an equally bad post regarding the situation. VE gave an explanation to the post. templar didn't. templar was scummier than VE before that. wtf? No, there was no "VE or templar" moment, as i clearly said when i wrote "VOTE STANDS" in the post you quoted. I made it bold and all caps so you can't misrepresent it any more. Red part: That's not true. Show me where i have done so, because i have not. Well sorry for assuming "I could lynch VE" means "I dont want to lynch VE". You just said that you lynch people that look bad, how is that not true? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY OATS? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
1) im more confident in Joey 2) I think I can get a concrete answer on Rayn in later days while Joey has to die today for reasons. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
JAT please post when you are back. You seem to be level-headed, let's figure this shit out. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
##vote Killing For now. I like this: I would probably lynch Killing (promised to prove he is town and didn't do so) At least Robik is here and trying to do stuff. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 09 2014 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar why you let the VE lynch happen. I made it happen. And because he shouldn't be an easy lynch on day 1 as town, his lack of standing up for himself in the thread or even trying to get the lynch off him made me think he could be mafia. | ||
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justanothertownie
16326 Posts
On March 09 2014 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: jesus christ i need a break... JAT please post when you are back. You seem to be level-headed, let's figure this shit out. I will look in here pretty often but I have stuff to do right now. The problem with figuring this shit out is that everyone is more or less scummy this game. I usually work by POE so this is hard. | ||
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