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On March 11 2014 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:37 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 11 2014 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grack you are not allowed to accuse Dandel unless you want to claim cop. Where? Nevermind. It's not relevant. One question: Do you think it's fair to say what templar did. On D1 you were town because you sheeped his (good) case on VE. On D2 you were scum because you used his case to "force a mislynch on a townie". Is this in your opinion a logical re-evaluation on a read based on what actually happened in the game and taking into account templar's actions and voting behavior on D1? Yeah it is relevant. You can't just drop claims like that. I agree it's illogical but it doesn't mean that he is scum. And the thing is that he town-read me entirely based on pushing VE. Which was probably more illogical than to take back that read after the flip. I meant it's irrelevant because Dandel is not getting lynched today anyways. I kinda get what you are saying and why but it's irrelevant to continue the discussion on Dandel today. But that's my point on templar. His reads change based on same information he has given another read on earlier. It does not matter what VE flipped. If he thought VE was mafia based on his case on D1 it's a townie thing to do to sheep his case (or certainly not scummy, at worst a null tell). If you are town you did not know VE's alignment any more than any other townie on D1 and just because you pushed a lynch on him based on a case you thought was good does not suddenly make you mafia just because VE was not mafia. That's not how a mafia game works.
I can double check but I don't think he was pushing me entirely for killing VE, but for my play as a whole. If he is actually trying to shift all of the blame for the mislynch on to me then perhaps I misspoke.
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On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine.
You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest.
well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't.
nope. It's not the same.
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On March 11 2014 21:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Palmar has put in more effort into this game than I would really expect from his scum game. In any event I don't think scum would be bold enough to switch his vote in the way that he did on day1, first planting his vote on VE and then swapping at the last second to Killing. The only way I see him being scum is if he is with Dandel.
I take it you have seen Palmars scum game? It has to be lurk city by your description. If you expect scum Palmar to be lazy I don't really follow your townread here.
It generally is either lurk-city or spreading lots of suspicion without saying why somebody is scum when it comes to Palmar.
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On March 11 2014 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dandel i don't think the last point is a good one because mafia!Grack would know there is no way you are going to get lynched so what you say does not make sense from mafia perspective. Every single mafia in this game knows i am town and therefore you will not get lynched today no matter who pushes you.
I honestly don't know what this means? Are you a cop? Did you check Dandel Ion?
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Well then I'm voting Dandel and I urge other people to vote him as well.
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On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all.
Regardless of votes I think it was pretty obvious that the lynch was between Killing and VE.
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On March 11 2014 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni have you played a game where Dandel was mafia?
No I think I played with him in one game where he was town.
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Lol Rayn you are usually a stickler for vote justification. You don't think Dandel Ion's actions are even remotely strange?
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Fuck meta. I've won as scum by going, "oh no. I'm such a bad scum player there's no way I could be scum right now." I've also won as scum from people going, "Grack is good at scum. he wouldn't just afk day1 because people were suspicious of him"
What I know is that Dandel Ion made an incredibly suspicious vote. That is still suspicious regardless of how he is expected to play. I normally like meta a lot but some things just trump meta and that last second vote switch is suspicious as fuck.
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On March 11 2014 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i mean if you did not do anything you could to make your target lynched on D1 you are not allowed to bitch about people who mislynched. Especially if they DID something about the lynch.
Who me?
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On March 11 2014 22:11 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 22:06 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 11 2014 21:59 Grackaroni wrote:On March 11 2014 21:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
Grack's "case" on me makes no sense because I was away most of the time the last wagons happened and then I had like 20 minutes to catch up on the most crucial part of day1. I'm sure a hugely superior player like grack would have had time to yell at and convince people when he's not even done reading the thread, but I'm not quite on that level yet.
Furthermore, he likes templar's point that boone has to consider her grack/dandel reads wrong, but apparantly he doesn't like it enough to not want to lynch me. Which makes no sense, because if it was that good, you'd think he'd agree with it.
Additionally, him wanting me pushed (by somebody else btw) based on my d1 vote is incredibly hypocritical, because at the end of the day, his vote was on VE just the same as mine. You were there. You talked about Killing being scum earlier in the day when he wasn't getting much pressure. You said you were going to stick to the Templar lynch when he wasn't going to be lynched, but then when the vote was changeable you switched to VE because you had a hunch that Palmar might have had a good reason to switch. I don't know why you are still alive at this point to be honest. well I know I'm not scum. That doesn't mean you aren't. nope. It's not the same. Wrong, I said I would stay on templar when he had a very good shot at getting lynched still. I mean the main reason I said that was because I didn't think I would be back in time for the deadline, but point stands. IIRC he was only one vote behind the voteleader at the time. The rest, well it's just a summary of what I did. It doesn't make me scum that I did stuff. IN FACT, it makes me super incredible confirmed town that I did anything. At all. Regardless of votes I think it was pretty obvious that the lynch was between Killing and VE. There was a time when it looked more like templar/killing.
Yes and that time was not 8 minutes before the lynch when he said that he would stay on Templar.
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Yes I think that both mafia were on VE.
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On March 12 2014 03:30 Alakaslam wrote:
Did you say cocksucker yet?
GET HIM BLAZINGHAND.
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On March 12 2014 04:31 IAmRobik wrote:
Convince me you're town grack............
eh I'm definitely not the towniest person here. I did my best to get the lynch I wanted day1, which happened to be wrong. Day 2 I got bored. Day 3 I've tried to get people to come around on Dandel but nobody is really considering him for some reason. I think it's pretty silly.
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On March 12 2014 04:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Maybe that has to do with you being obviously wrong.
ha I don't think that's it.
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On March 12 2014 04:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Then it has to be me looking 10 times as townie and 20 times more sexy than you.
No other possibilities.
I guess more likely than the first one 
Does anyone have a wand of unsexiness I can borrow?
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On March 12 2014 04:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't think you need that anymore.
Well 20 times 0 is still 0. You ought to hope I'm as sexy as possible.
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On March 12 2014 04:54 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:On March 12 2014 04:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't think you need that anymore. Well 20 times 0 is still 0. You ought to hope I'm as sexy as possible. So your angle for lynching me is that 10 times 0 is also 0? A pretty solid logic performance :3
This has nothing to do with me wanting to lynch you lol
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this is wrong on so many levels.
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EPT
