[M][T] Foundation Mafia - Page 7

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 19:45 GMT

#1952

On March 09 2014 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you think i am bussing him?

it's possible

maybe one of you is town

right now Killing is a better lynch than you IMO but I would swap to you in a heartbeat if it was between you and anyone else today

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 20:27 GMT

#1967

lol wtf

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 21:26 GMT

#1987

On March 09 2014 05:55 IAmRobik wrote:
If Joey flips town, then there's no reason for Palmar to make himself look scummier by flopping from Joey to VE at the very end.

I don't think you can townread him over this as Palmar can still be scum if Killing flips town and there are reasons he would do what he did as scum.

Killing is the lynch target
Killing votes on VE, making him the new lynch target.
Palmar votes on VE, then flops his vote to Killing (VE will still be the lynch target)
Then some additional votes pile on to Killing from JAT/Robik, making him the new lynch target so Palmar swaps back to VE (although Killing will still be lynched after this swap)
Dandel then hammers, making the VE lynch go through with Palmar.

*Hypothetically assume Killing is town/Palmar scum-
Knowing that VE/Killing are town, Palmar voting on Killing when VE was set to be the lynch could be him not wanting to be voting for the town flip if he expects the VE lynch to still occur. This could explain why he flops back to VE when Killing becomes the new standard lynch. The play makes perfect sense because Palmar is just trying to make sure he isn't voting for whoever is lynched because he knows they are both town and it doesn't look good when you vote for town. He probably didn't expect the last second Dandel vote.

tl;dr - I don't think you can deduce much from Palmar's alignment based on Killing's with regards to how Palmar voted at the end. To say he would have no motivations for doing what he did as a scum is wrong.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 21:29 GMT

#1988

On March 09 2014 06:25 IAmRobik wrote:
Well thats where we disagree. My goal isnt to make a good case ok anyone. My goal is to lynch scum. Idgaf how it happens if it happens. If I make a good case on someone for being scum and that person flips town, that's not beneficial for town.

you know you're wrong when I'm saying Rayn is actually right. having good reads doesn't mean shit if you can't convince anyone of them

not that this has anything to do with the game

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 22:40 GMT

#1992

i think we did it boys

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 22:46 GMT

#1995

On March 09 2014 07:44 Killing wrote:
Oh dear.

no more tears

only dreams

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 22:48 GMT

#1997

looks like the Killing

has become the Killed.

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 08 2014 22:56 GMT

#2002

it feels easy

but he's probably scum

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 22:38 GMT

#2033

keep up the good work boys

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 22:53 GMT

#2039

On March 06 2014 05:20 Grackaroni wrote:

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I'm basically just sheeping between the two.

Austin and Robik pointed out some strange contradictions from killing's reads and I put some faith in Boone's reads of the DM players.

On March 06 2014 05:29 Grackaroni wrote:

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lol ok this guy is not mafia.

On March 06 2014 05:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Mafia (especially newer players) aren't so blatant like that and they are scared as shit of saying something like "I was just making up bullshit"

On March 06 2014 05:32 Grackaroni wrote:
##Unvote: Killing
##Vote: VisceraEyes

On March 06 2014 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys got to trust me on this one.

On March 06 2014 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Austin I know that Killing is being useless but that really isn't how scum plays.

On March 09 2014 03:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 08 2014 02:24 Killing wrote:
2) Grackaroni

~~As I said before, I'm in an interesting position since I'm the only one that knows the vote was switched from a town to a town.~~ Grackaroni's interactions with me were super fucking weird and I honestly felt like he was trying to implement some sort of terrible pocketing strategy.

On March 06 2014 03:49 Grackaroni wrote:
hmmm I like Austin's killing points.

On March 06 2014 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Killing's probably the more likely scum of the two.

On March 06 2014 05:29 Grackaroni wrote:

On March 06 2014 05:26 Killing wrote:
Ok, so I don't really know where to start with this. I read a bit that people hated what I had to say earlier so I went to re-read it and couldn't stop laughing at how terrible it was. I think I've been going about playing thsi shit completely wrong. I was just straight up making shit up and pretending to know what I was talking about. I'm so used to knowing exactly what's going on and to having strong reads that I think I was compensating but trying to give too much except that it was all obvious garbage. It's really uncomfortable being in this position where I really don't know what's going on even though I wish I did.

Everything I've done up to now has deserved a lynch. I've played pretty fucking terribly and none of my reads are actually that good. I def gonna start playing differently starting now since I've recognized what's been going on. The most I can do for town right now is prove to you somehow that I'm town. I'm basically starting over from now. I've scrapped basically all my reads and I'm probably going to go and re-read most of the game again with a different mindset.

lol ok this guy is not mafia.

Bang! Just like that, I'm not mafia. I'm strongly suspicious that Grackaroni thought I was a super weak player that he could easily sweep in and pocket for the coming days. Considering he was one of the first ( along with boone ) to come to my rescue, I think he thought I'd be in his pocket for the rest of the game. I mean, Why save a drowning low hanging fruit? I think that coupled with his lack of content, makes him a prime suspect for me.

So if it was just "See how easy Grack flopped his scum read on me to town? He gave no reasons for it", that would make a lot more sense to me but then he goes on this fucking theory that Grack is doing it specifically to "pocket him for future days" so he can use Killing like a puppet. wtf? It's also kinda weird how he presumes will alive for future days when he was literally one vote away from getting lynched, and that Grack would try to pocket someone who is literally on the edge of the cliff anyways. Why would he as mafia waste time pocketing you and drawing attention to himself?

This isn't the first time Killing has made weird reads either (like his townread D1 on whoever was trying to break up a fight that he sort of just threw out there)

Weak ass argument because it was against his own partner.

Grack defended him D1 and pushed VE as an alternative lynch off Killing. Killing tried to bus Grack before it was set in stone that he was the lynch for the day (top scum read town, second scum buses his partner who isn't really in any danger of getting lynched - classic)

still think he's town now Rayn?

##Vote: Grack

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 22:58 GMT

#2043

(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:20 GMT

#2053

GGTeMpLaR
03-06-2014
03:05 PM ET (US)
yea you make a good point actually..

if Dandel is mafia he can leave his vote on me and not get suspicion for hammering VE.

The only way it really makes a lot of sense is if Killing is mafia with Dandel and then he accomplishes 2 things - 1. saving his partner and 2. lynching a strong town player

from the D1 QT where JAT convinced me that Dandel is likely town

justanothertowniePerson was signed in when posted
03-06-2014
03:09 PM ET (US)
Yep. But in this case it is still really really bold to do. Mafia seldom save their buddies in a manner this obvious because it fucks them in the long run. I mean killing will die soon (one way or the other) and then dandel will not be in good shape.

JAT you still hold true to Dandel being town in light of the Killing flip?

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:22 GMT

#2054

also Rayn do you still think Dandel is town?

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:29 GMT

#2055

In 10 pages of Dandel's filter he inetracts with Grack like twice on very minor things, and comments on him another one or two times (basically nothing).

I could see them both being scum with Killing

unless Rayn wants to defend them again

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:32 GMT

#2056

Dandel conveniently left his vote on Robik the entire day and Grack jumped on the caboose of the Killing train.

Slam voting Robik there as scum with Killing would take some CAHONES

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:39 GMT

#2060

I'm only hesitant as to why Boone, who claimed medic, is still alive and Oats died.

Boone called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone)

Oats was leaning more scummy on Rayn by the end of the day.

this is just from skimming their filters/reads what stood out to me as being different. JAT go back to the filters for me and analyze why oats died over boone

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:41 GMT

#2063

##Unvote

GGTeMpLaR

United States7226 Posts

March 09 2014 23:46 GMT

#2068

On March 10 2014 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who thinks i would kill Oats as scum is retarded.

any other reads that are actually useful?

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