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On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.
That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.
##Unvote
##Vote: Killing
Thank you, firstly... secondly, I do get reads based on logic, contradictions, etc... they just come later. They used to let me lurk for 2 days before asking for my reads, because I would get good reads based on the way a person had played, what they had said, etc. Now I just do body reads mostly because I die so early, I never really make it late game so I had to adapt.
That being said, i could be very wrong this game because it's a new medium for me. I'm learning as I go, so my reads will probably be weird, hap hazard and flip floppy during the next 4 hours. Bare with me.
Why killing over Austin, in your opinion VE
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On March 06 2014 03:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2014 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Boone is a hard read on Forum mafia. She's very good at Video Mafia, but one thing I've noticed about her play in Video Mafia is that it's based EXCLUSIVELY on body reads. She has NEVER in my experience with her made a read based on what people have said, logic, contradictions, anything. She has SPECTACULAR reads....when they're made based on body reads.
That being said, I'm willing to give her more time to prove to at least me that she's just out of her medium here.
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##Vote: Killing Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar? Money question. Some not so townie people are going after killing but almost no scummy people wanting to lynch templar right now (oats, VE, killing, austin - noone is going after him). That's the way I see it.
you really think oats is mafia?
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omg i really hope you guys see, this is town templar. either forum mafia is not my game and i can't differentiate between the reads from forum and video at all, or this is the templar i know and love.
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Okay so, here's where I'm at. Austin is my top scum and no one aside from myself want to lynch him, I've tried to explain as best I can why you shouldnt be lynching templar and it doesn't seem to be working.
hist trolly post at the beginning where he gave a shit ton of reads on people he knows and then posted a butt load of pictures isn't something i see him doing as mafia. why would be put that much effort into doing something like that? he wouldn't, templar likes to hide in the shadows as mafia, and then pounce on the easiest lynch there is. not to mention, it wasn't even all that trolly, considering he did give his top town reads and i feel like it was genuine. go through his filter, he's being super honest in everything he says.
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On March 06 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch austin boone. <3
I understand that you could, but can you give me a reason why you would that is different than mine?
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On March 06 2014 05:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 03:21 boonetown wrote:On March 06 2014 03:19 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 06 2014 03:12 boonetown wrote:On March 06 2014 03:06 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 06 2014 03:01 boonetown wrote:On March 06 2014 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 06 2014 02:55 boonetown wrote:
Why the fuck aren't you guys wanting to lynch Austin? Everyone is deflecting off of him, I really think he's the lynch today. Why am I the only one?
Someone, tell me what he's done that was towny.
@Dandel - You have NOT been more useful this game. Infact early on when Austin was mentioned a few times, he was the only person you spoke about. Which looking back on, is hella weird. You have been very trolly, you are saying stupid shit, asking for people to tell you it's okay to be an idiot and a troll. I don't see how this helps town in any way shape or form, but I'm currently halfway through your filter.. so maybe the second half is better than the first? Complains about deflecting off austin Complains about too much talking about austin I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. People are deflecting off of him, and in the first 3 pages of your filter the only person you talked about was austin until your shit storm with robert happened... so me that's a little weird. can you take your head out of your ass for a moment. we understand you are attempting to compensate and project asshole so that people take you seriously, but enough is enough. cut the shit. I would only it really genuinely doesn't make any sense what you're saying and even if it did, there's nothing I could do about it. dunno what you're trying to do here. I am trying to figure out your alignment. If you want me to see you as town, stop being an asshole and show me youre town. All I have seen in your filter is you trolling or being rude to people for the most part. There are less than a handful of posts from you that I could see you even trying to play the game, but you're still trolling in them. So, how about you give me your town and mafia lists. Please and thank you. You are aware that lists are literally the easiest shit in the history of mafia to fake, yes? But okay maybe you'll stop being salty if I make one. Or at least reasonable. I'm not asking for much. Not the day1 lynch: Me Palmar rayn* grack Oats JAT The medic claim Would lynch day1: Killing Alakaslam Robik* austin* ggtemplar* *mite be scum I really think you're wrong on Robert, but I would he okay with lynching Austin or Alaka today K Mislynch helps mafia a lot more than NK. Why would you give them a mislynch just to remove me?
Oh hi there, this has changed. I'm pretty sure you're town and the lynch for today should be VE, Palmar, Austin is 3rd on my list.
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I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.
I dont think Killing or templar are mafia.
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On March 06 2014 06:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote:
I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.
I dont think Killing or templar are mafia. Did you read his last post alignment indicative at all?
when have you ever seen joey so vulnerable and willing to admit his faults? i think i've only seen it once, and he was town who realized he was super fucking wrong on everything.
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On March 06 2014 06:08 Palmar wrote:I no longer care about this game. Everyone is refusing to play so why should I. Lynch me if you want to, I'm gonna vote and afk for the rest of the game.
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On March 06 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:slam, still same question boone, why is Killing town? He was a townread in your first list of reads, without really any reasoning. You say you don't think he's mafia Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote:
I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.
I dont think Killing or templar are mafia. but your only meat on him is here: Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 02:37 boonetown wrote:
GGtemplar plays very paranoid and standoffish as town, and pretty trolly/vote happy as mafia. My initial read on him was mafia because he was throwing votes around like they were nothing and with no explaination, but he then gave his post of shit, which was perfect for me. That's town templar almost to a tee.
my read on killing is more complicated, because i hate him as a person but love him as a player. i think he's smart enough to realize when i'm acting differently, and until his recent post he was doing that. I dont want to say he's mafia because of his most recent post, joey is ALWAYS nervous of my allignment, and views me as mafia 99% of the time. I see this as no different. Which is that you think he's smart enough to do what he was doing but then wasn't doing. And that he's nervous of your alignment, and ALWAYS is such. Can you...speak about his read on you, or his admission that he's just making stuff up?
From my experience with killing, he's very unwilling to admit he's wrong, especially as mafia. Joey is very proud and stubborn. For me, there is no way right now that he's mafia, but in the same breath i need to make it clear that I don't think that Templar is mafia either so I'm torn on my vote because if it's between the two, I have to figure out which it is.
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On March 06 2014 06:34 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 06:32 boonetown wrote:On March 06 2014 06:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On March 06 2014 06:00 boonetown wrote:
I'm so fucking confused this game, and i hate you all. My reads are literally changing by the minute and I hate it, I feel like a flip flopping fool right now.
I dont think Killing or templar are mafia. Did you read his last post alignment indicative at all? when have you ever seen joey so vulnerable and willing to admit his faults? i think i've only seen it once, and he was town who realized he was super fucking wrong on everything. Please explain this, as well as the other stuff re: killing. What faults is he admitting to, in your opinion? How is admitting them townie?
What the hell are you doing. Stop grilling me, read what I wrote. Read what he wrote. Puzzles, pieces... TOGETHER THEY FIT!
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On March 06 2014 06:39 austinmcc wrote:
What did he admit that he was wrong about?
you need to stop being so fucking lazy. go read what he wrote and it explains it all.
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On March 06 2014 06:49 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 06:48 austinmcc wrote:Like, he essentially says: - the posts people hate are terrible
- i was making shit up. I was compensating for normally knowing exactly what's going on (how does one do this as town) and was overcompensating with garbage
- I don't know what's going on but wish I did
- What I've done deserves a lynch
- None of my reads are good
- I'M GOING TO START PLAYING DIFFERENTLY NOW, SINCE I'VE RECOGNIZED WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON (where. When did he recognize this? What does he think is going on? He didn't speak to that AT ALL and still hasn't. How does he know what's going on?)
- I'm starting over, scrapping basically all my reads (which ones. Why keep the others?)
- I'll PROBABLY go reread MOST of the game again
I see a promise of townie actions, both at the time of the post (i've scrapped some reads and understand the game) and in the future. I don't see any explanation why some reads were bad, how he understands the game, etc. I don't see any followup. I see that he RECOGNIZES the things he did were scummy. Saying so doesn't make him town or scum. It makes him a player who has done scummy stuff and sees that. The specific things he's apologizing for are also, imo, not...things you can just go "oopsies" on and be townie. U scum bro
at this point i think he's almost too blatantly obv to be scum
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I am voting VE because he seems overly aggressive and has progressively made his way onto my list, I can't really get into it all right now even though I want too. Work sucks. Originally I was all about an Austin Lynch, and Austin is now at the bottom of my scum list. For me it's VE or Palmer, but I know Palmer isn't going to get lynched today. There are 3 votes on Temp, and 3 on killing, and 2 were on VE who is one of my scum reads, I'd rather vote a scum read than a town read any day of the week. Thus, my vote.
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On March 06 2014 07:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 07:13 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2014 07:10 Killing wrote:
##Vote VisceraEyes
I think GGTemplar is town which really only leaves me with one option. Also, Templar if you would be so kind to give me a short summary of your reads right now (even a list) that would be great. BooneRobik
Grack
SlamOats/Palmar/Killing/JAT/Austin Rayn
Dandel
VE
Templar, I truly believe you are wrong on Rayn
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On March 06 2014 07:55 Palmar wrote:Hammer Killing pls. I'd rather deal with VE later in the game than that dude. I'm amazed boone isn't getting lynched. She should be an auto-lynch.
What the fuck is your deal? I am in no way shape or form an auto lynch. Either you haven't bothered to read what I have said because you're scum, you don't care about winning this game because you're subborn or you're not good at this. I know you're good at this because I have a lot of people that talked you up before I took this on.
I have said this countless time, in order to be good at mafia you need to have a willingness to adapt, listen, observe, and be wrong.
Figure out which part of that you need to encounter in the next part of this game, or this town will lose.
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On March 07 2014 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
boone could you translate 98th post from the QT to the thread? I can't read austin.
you want me to translate it and copy paste the whole thing, breaking it down?
also incoming post from me... i wrote it over the last 24 hours as a just in case i dont die... and i didnt. huzzah! sad about austin tho
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On March 07 2014 08:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2014 08:12 thrawn2112 wrote:Please stand by, the Time Vault is opening.
A Message From Hari Seldon..... + Show Spoiler [Open Time Vault] +Grack and Killing both made a concerted effort to push VE amidst the void that was created once the other lynch targets started looking town. I do believe Grack and Killing to be mafia, both for this push, and for their play individually. Grack trolled most of the day and his only contribution was “lynch VE”. He is obviously mafia.
Killing is similar in that he did nothing early, which shows a lack of initiative, a trait that mafia display early on because of their information advantage and overall reactionary nature. His reads, as pointed out by many, are highly inconsistent and suspect.
I believe the other three DM players (boone, Robik, GG) to all be town. They have put in more effort than anyone else this game thus far. They all seem reasonable.
I also believe Rayn, JAT, Dandel, and Oats to be town.. I lean toward Austin being town as well, but I cannot confirm this to be the case.
Palmar is an enigma. His lynching of VE is not outside the realm of possibility of town Palmar’s play, but I do not like that he “quit” on town halfway through the day. At least pressure him to play the game again, do not ignore him.
Slam is literally the most unreadable player I’ve ever seen. His voting suggests that he’s mafia, given that he voted both boone (who I think is town) and VE, who we all know was town. Probably from austin?
this might have been answered already but i'm going through all the posts as i read them, and replying that way... this isn't from austin, the post mentions austin as a possible town. why would austin say that about himself? i am assuming it's VE?
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Alright, over the last 24 hours I have gone over certain posts (reevaluated VE's filter now that we know he's town) and started to change reads again. In the off chance that I am not killed, I'm hoping this can be somewhat useful. I might change my mind throughout this post, as I'm not entirely sure yet how long it will be. I'm also going to try and use as many quotes as I can to explain my thought process... here we go.
On March 05 2014 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Because there isn't support for the RNG.
I was torn between voting for GGTemp and voting for boone here, but boone stroked the ego in saying that she wanted to play with me, so GGTemp gets the vote. GGTemplar has been more useless than me this game, and I haven't even been here playing it. Not that GGTemp has been here, but he's at the very least pretended to have opinions on people. So far those opinions have consisted of a scumread on Alak (which his posts show no indication of releasing, barring an unvote) and a townread on his DM peeps (which his posts give no explanation for). He also did something really scummy in the foundation chat (of which I am a part) in coming in and saying "I know both of you are scum, don't even talk to me" as his very first act. My first reaction to being chosen as one of the foundation thingys was "Hmm I guess I better go check the OP to see if it's possible scum are in here....looks like it's possible, better be careful" and I'm town. My first reaction was NOT that I was certain scum were allowed to be in the Foundation chat. The only people who should feel that way as their first reaction should be scum - because they know scum are allowed in the chat.
Answer for Joey: I've been inactive because I was playing Video Mafia yesterday. Lurking isn't even accurate because until this morning, I hadn't even really read the thread.
The bolded part at first, felt to me like he was trying to look for something in templar to show us templar was mafia, now that i know VE is town, this is way more valid of a point.
On March 05 2014 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
@austin
Alak is fearless in his trolling, Grack not so fearless. Between the two I'd say Grack has a higher chance of flipping scum based on what's been said, Alak more likely to flip town. I don't think they both scum, but it's possible they both town.
I just wanted to make this a point because this is helpful for me. I had/have Alaka as town and Grack for me was a totally null read. I'll filter him after this to see if I can get an actual read on him.
On March 05 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 07:30 Grackaroni wrote:On March 05 2014 04:28 boonetown wrote: Boone, why is austin scum, and why is GGtemp voting badly, and has the other people you play video mafia with match their meta there so far? Austin is leaning town more and more, which is unfortunate because I was pretty happy thinking I found a mafia in the QT. GGtemp, if you have ever seen him play, is the most paranoid town player in the history of mafia, ever. He would rather sleep every single day of the game in order to not mislynch someone. He only votes if he's mafia, or if he knows the vote won't go through, as a trolly way to make it look like he made a choice. Either templar isn't even trying, or he's mafia. That's where I'm currently at with his allignment. VE what did you think of Boonetown's explanation of GGTemp's play because him saying you were both scum in QT lines up with her description of his town play. I haven't played /much/ with GGTemp, but from my experience with him this isn't his town play. And Boone's conclusion said that he's either A) not trying at all or B) Mafia. I explained why I think his entrance to the QT is more in line with a scum perspective than a townie one. He didn't sound like a paranoid townie, he sounded like scum trying to sound like a paranoid townie.
I am going to take what he says about Templar more highly than my own read on him at this point. I think templar probably plays his forum mafia and video mafia very different and knowing that myself, killing and robik are in this game, he might play up his paranoia to get us to read him as town. If that's the case, screw you templar.
After he wrote this, Templar did his big ol' thread of pictures and reads on the DM people. IMO, if templar is mafia, the other DM people are likely all town. Why do I say this? If templar was mafia with someone from DM he wouldn't go out of his way to only read us as a priority over other players with little about anyone else, because we are well aware that he's played forum mafia before. He should be able to help us with reading a few of the TL players.
On March 06 2014 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm also willing to kill Palmar for not knowing for a fact that I'm town at this point. Players like Grack/Oats are like..meh. But Palmar should know.
I want to believe this is true so much. I had Palmar down as a scum read but he seemed to "i dont care about this anymore, goodbye" toward the end, that it worried me he was just a pissed off towny. Can anyone explain to me if he should have been reading VE as town this game or not, do they typically have good reads on each other? Furthermore, does Palmar usually refuse to play the game when he's frustrated?
On March 06 2014 04:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Voting Killing. As misguided as Temp is, that last post reads as pretty townie, so Killing it is. Rob's post on his contradiction regarding Boone is the strongest evidence in the thread imo, and everyone should have a look.
This is now about Killing VS Templar, and I think it's something we should def look into.
On March 06 2014 04:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because at the time of Killing's post on boone there is a LOT of suspicion on boone. Not just a lot of people, but players that people are likely to listen to or sheep. And Killing comes in and says, in the same post, "I have no read on Boone" and "Boone is my top scumread". This is the very definition of wishy-washiness. He distances himself from the lynch by saying "Yeah well I don't know one way or the other" but adds his support to the wagon by putting her as his SOLE mafia read.
At the end of the day, I had thought that Killing was town because in my opinion and through my experience with him in video mafia, he is the most self absorbed, cocky and confident player I know. He's very hard pressed to admit when he's wrong, or when he's made a bad read, or that he's played poorly. Why? Cause he thinks he's the king of mafia. So for him to openly admit that no only his reads were wrong and he wanted to revise his entire game because of it, he admitted he was playing badly and didn't understand. He also said that he made up his reads, I have never heard him say that... ever. So either he's fucking me over because it's what he loves to do, or he's town. Either way, I hate him and would probably vote on him just so that he's not a question mark for me anymore.
On March 06 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch austin boone. <3
I tried!!
Now, on to reading Palmars filter...
On March 04 2014 18:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 17:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll do at the very least one of those things tomorrow. Please do. This game doesn't have a ton of quality posters and more than it's fair share of trolls. You know this and you know that if you're town we absolutely need you to contribute to the game. If you disappear or blend in with little opinions throughout the early game, I _will_ policy lynch you.
This is the first time (of quite a few) where you mention a 'policy lynch' I am curious to know how normal this is for you. Why do you feel like policy lynching someone based on your paramaters, over scum hunting, is better for town?
On March 04 2014 18:08 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2014 18:06 Oatsmaster wrote:I got shot in my newbie game Hey i was gonna point out the GGtemp shit. Wtf palmar. I'm just faster than you. Who are your top 2 town reads and why. If you don't have town reads, then please just force the answers and give whatever little reasoning you can.
This made me LOL, because if ever I am asked to give reads when I dont have any, and I force them... people lynch the fuck out of me. So, this was interesting.
On March 05 2014 01:35 Palmar wrote:
I don't really do the reads thing. I usually have a few people I like and a few I dislike, then I wait and see how the day develops. I'll respond in more detail tonight.
On March 05 2014 03:17 Palmar wrote:
I'll parse the last 3 pages later.
Here you are, pushing things until later... meanwhile you keep accusing people of trolling and being useless. If your game consists of you waiting to do anything while complaining that others are doing the same, this game isn't going to really go anywhere. Also, stop confirming yourself as town, you're doing the opposite imo.
On March 05 2014 06:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 02:53 Killing wrote:On March 05 2014 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2014 02:41 Killing wrote:On March 05 2014 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Boone, why is austin scum, and why is GGtemp voting badly, and has the other people you play video mafia with match their meta there so far? Question isn't for me but answering anyways. Everyone is playing very differently except for Robik. He usually just goes super aggro on his reads and is always too certain of them. I wouldn't say how he has acted has been alignment indicative so far as he does it as both town and mafia. I get a better read on him as the first day goes on. He shows himself at the end of day 1 imo. Templar is probably atm the scummiest of all the DM players for me. He rarely gives out his reads with providing extensive reasoning. So what do you think of Boon calling Robik's play different from video and using that to read him when everyone is playing different anyway unless she thinks all the DM people are scum. Who else is scum? Current scum team: GGtemplar, Boone, Alakzam The only read that I liked from Boone was the read on Templar. Other than that, calling everyone's top town town + calling one of my top scum town for really shit reasons in my opinion made her look worse in my eyes. Alakzam has been scummy for me cause the second GGtemplar voted for him, his post quality went way down. I just felt the interaction was super weird and might have been scum voting on scum or something along those lines. GGtemplar is my top lynch for today because he never substantiated his reads nor did I feel they were even deserved. What was weird about it? You can't just say shit like that without quoting and explaining. GGtemplar lynch at the time this post is made is a lurker lynch. I'm always slightly suspicious of people actively pushing lurker lynches in early day 1, but I guess a few people are doing it and they aren't all scum.
Why are you against a lurker lynch, but all for policy and RNG lynches?
I like your read on Oats, I think he's pretty town, though I think it's a stretch to say if he's mafia you'll actively try to lose so he can win. This seems likes it's going to be a long game, and therefor tons of time to determine his allignment and adjust reads. I think you might be the best troll we have right now.
On March 05 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2014 17:16 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch boone I don't. If nothing else, I clarified with thrawn that the wording on the OP is actually 100% correct. So amongst other reasons I want to policy lynch her for roleclaiming on day 1.
There's that policy lynch again... also, claiming to be in a QT is claiming a role? I was unaware.
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Okay I read through it, and honestly, I don't see him as a top town but he's certainly consistant and willing to give his opinion. I don't think he's pushing a town objective tho, so I'm still leaning him scummy...
There is about an hour left before the town awakens and I was only able to filter through two people (work, life, etc) and if I'm alive I will slowly filter through others in the next 48 hours because it was really helpful once I realized how to do it.
That being said, killing you have had 24 hours to "renew" your game, give me something good or I cannot read you the same as I do in video mafia.
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Now I have just finished replying to a few posts since the day started, I'm going to do what rayn asked me to do about austins post in the QT. Might take a while, it's a bit of a gongshow of a post. Also, if my shit ^^^^ up there makes no sense, ask and i'll try to clarify.
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