On March 12 2014 01:51 IAmRobik wrote: My lynches today are Grack and Palmar with a sprinkle of Dandelion. I know that Rayn is gonna keep pushing Templar, but I refuse to vote on him and think he'd be a terrible lynch...About as terrible a lynch as Rayn thinks Dandelion is.
I like how you're doing exactly the same shit to me today as Dandel did to you yesterday that made you go mental.
Don't ignore me buddy.
I've already pointed out what I thought was scummy about you. You didn't really respond other than 'well, i'm confused this game and I suck this game so uhhh, yea. I can't be mafia cause I flipped off of mafia and onto town"
then respond to it. For reference your reasons are here:
On March 11 2014 05:28 IAmRobik wrote:
On March 11 2014 05:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 11 2014 05:24 IAmRobik wrote: ##unvote ##vote Palmar
Based on what?
VE vote d1 -subpar play all game -increased activity today when you knew you were going to get pressure -hari's ungodly wisdom
And my response is here:
On March 11 2014 07:22 Palmar wrote: 1. The VE vote was the most towny thing I've one this entire game. It was a terrible play, but it was not mafia play. Remember that I started out on VE. Then I randomly decided all the scum was on VE's wagon so I moved over to Killing, then I figured VE wasn't defending himself and was probably scum and went back.
I had no guarantee that enough people would follow me to make the lynches count. In fact I pushed a few people onto Killing (who in your theory is my scumpartner) before moving back.
2. Yes I've had an off game. That doesn't make me mafia, it just means that something about this game doesn't quite click for me. Even now I'm still constantly doubting myself. I'm having to remind myself that rayn's interactions with ggtemplar look quite good, just so I don't doubt the townread on him because he feels still somewhat off this game.
3. Today is not weekend. That helps?
4. Shouldn't you be trying to lynch Grack then? hairy seems much more confident in his grack read.
If you are not going to change your mind, you have to explain why my rebuttal is not satisfactory. Feel free to call me mafia but your thought process needs to be entirely in the thread for everyone to see, if you successfully lynch me it'll be there for everyone to scrutinize after I flip.
your 4 explanatory points mean nothing. 1) You didn't push jack shit onto Killing. The two people that jumped onto killing after you (killing still wasn't the lynch target at this point) were me and JAT. I assure you that your vote did not influence my decision not ONE FUCKING IOTA. Unless JAT comes here and says that you influenced his vote, then point 1 is absolutely null and is you pulling at strings to give yourself some random fucking town cred that you don't deserve
Fair enough but what other people think has nothing to do with whether or not I'm mafia. I can't control other people. The reality is that I called for a vote-switch onto Killing and it worked. Without knowing your mindset, I usually assume that when someone makes a switch like that, that people are agreeing and following it.
I don't know your mindset, I'm not pulling any strings, until you clarified this just now, I absolutely 100% believed that people followed me onto the Killing lynch. You cannot consider my actions using your knowledge, you have to work with what you assume to be my knowledge at the time.
There is no point and no explanation in doing the flip flop if I'm mafia. Especially remember that if I'm mafia with my incomplete information I assume that this makes me the main culprit for lynching VE. I could have sat on the VE lynch, I had given explanations for that one.
There is no point but there is an explanation to doing the flip flop if I'm town. I simply had no idea what to do and VE wasn't exactly helping by convincing people to get off him. I think his exact words were "Get off me I'm town" and "jerks".
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 2) this is just you saying that you suck. I can agree with point 2
Well you accused me of subpar play. I don't suck at mafia, I'm at least okay! But yes, not a great game so far, although tbh, my 2nd scumread (boone was a policy lynch) on day 1 was mafia, sure, not great, but not terrible either. I ended up killing VE for being lazy, bad call.
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 3) This is an excuse. Cool. Your effort the previous day was lackluster as well.
My filter is longer than half the people that are alive. Stop saying I'm not putting in effort because it's a straight up lie. I posted less on day 2 than on days 1 and 3, so what... the day ended up lynching the guy I wanted to lynch. Good result.
On March 12 2014 02:21 IAmRobik wrote: 4) I don't know. Grack has had his ups and downs this game, but he's definitely one of my top scum candidates.
Well so clearly you don't believe in the almighty wisdom of hairy sheldon. So I guess we agree this is a non-reason.
Let's sum this up, your reasons for wanting to lynch me are:
1. doing something that's "bad" but can only be explained by me being town 2. Not having awesome reads all the time 3. Some perception that I'm not putting in effort when I am. 4. No reason
I mean, if that's good enough for you, let's do it. But don't come saying I didn't warn you.
On March 11 2014 22:57 Palmar wrote: rayn looking town in this conversation, templar is the lynch.
Grack looks slightly better for defending me. Ez game for maf, just don't call palmar scum.
Maybe we should come back to lynching that lurky and statement posts medic..
you aren't lynching me today, yes i have been a little lurky the last day or so, but i have been active in the earlier days. life happens as i'm sure you're all aware. i am here now and just reading through the pages.
other than you thinking i should be policy lynched for something i didn't realize i wasn't supposed to do, or making "statement posts" which might just be the way i play... what else makes me mafia in your eyes?
Now don't go all lying on me, you have the shortest filter of anyone in the game by quite a bit.
That's a good metric for lynching scum usually.
But hey, I'm the listening type of person, let's hear what you have to say.
And my vote isn't actually on you, I am not pushing towards your lynch right now, and that is precisely because all I have on you is that you are some wifom day 1 roleclaiming medic thing + your posts look very much like statement posts and you're very inactive and don't interact much with people in the thread.
This looks bad, but I can't conclude you must be scum because of those things. So for now you're just some random medic.
I'm not lying, I thought I was pretty active D1 and D2, or at least as active as life allowed me to be. I know some of my posts were longer but I explained why they would be, if you want me to explain it again... I will.
No need, your filter isn't that long, I read it earlier during the day
On March 12 2014 02:34 IAmRobik wrote: I have a crazy fucking idea that will probably detract from actual scumhunting, but I wanna test it out. Anyone mind?
On March 12 2014 02:39 IAmRobik wrote: over half of your posts on d1 were about rando lynching VE and questioning austin. you didn't even give rationale for either of your vote flops at the end.
There wasn't much time, I explained it better later, although I did give reasons for thinking both of them were scum.
Remember, the story is entirely consistent.
I asked VE to be active. An active VE doesn't get lynched day 1. Getting lynched day 1 is reserved for lurkers, people who don't have time to play, people who fuck up and policy lynches. So when crunch time hits and VE is actually a very legitimate target I convinced myself that if he got himself into a ditch like that he wasn't putting in effort despite me asking him to, and was thus mafia. Clearly he had other reasons for getting lynched day 1 and I was wrong.
I flipped on killing simply because he was a leaning mafia read for me (bottom 2 or so at the time). And I felt the wagon on him was shady, wish I had stuck with it but I didn't, I went back to the reasoning I just explained and killed VE, or well Dandel killed VE, but I enabled him doing that.
You know very well that you're off the table for one reason and one reason alone, otherwise you would have been BURIED already. I am tired of these excuses "i'm getting used to this medium" blah blah fucking blah. I want cases on people. I want you to tell me why certain people are town and why certain people are mafia. I don't care if you're wishy washy about it, but like read people and give them +/- points either way. Take some sort of stance besides
On March 12 2014 01:44 boonetown wrote: I still think Templar is probably town but I don't understand his game play style, but that's just me getting used to the way people play on forum mafia.
Like this isn't Boonetown. This is Boonemafia. This is even worse than Boonemafia. This is BoonemafiaIdon'tgiveashit.
you're so fucking wrong it's laughable. the fact that you are this wrong on me, makes me wonder how wrong you are about other people.
i HAVE to explain myself this game, i HAVE to let me know that this is new for me, because if they assume i'm in this game because I know what I'm doing, i'm even more of a detriment to town than I am now. You also cannot say to me or anyone that this is my mafia play, because you have never seen me play like this before. You need to adapt your reading on people this game, just as I am trying to.
I wouldn't have been buried, and I guarantee you if I wasn't the medic, I would have played D1 much differently, and probably much better. So to say that unless I claimed medic on D1 I would have been buried isn't true. I claimed because I had too, because it's my role and I wanted to try and get at least one save. Until that point I hadnt even been able to use my role. So, if I could get just ONE save, I would have died happy. That being said, if I wasn't claiming medic on D1 it would be because I had a different role, or no role at all, in which case my play would have been different and I could have defended accordingly.
I HAVE given reads, I have also given reasons, they just aren't adding up so people can't make sense of them. Hell, I can't really make sense of them. I am working on it, it's why they change and I flip flop. Give me a fucking break.
Then we have identified part of the problem if you are town. Don't play differently because you are a blue role. Always play like a VT.
you have NO idea how nervous I was to get medic in my first forum game. no fucking idea.
Why? Medic is like the easiest blue rule, you literally can't fuck up.
Except for that one medic who protected the scum I tried to vigilante shoot.
On March 12 2014 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Boone is almost definitely mafia if templar is mafia. She has done everything to defend him and the nightkills make absolutely zero sense for most of the TL players. Or Slam, if the check is somehow fucked up.
In an imaginary world where templar is town 2 out of you/Grack/boone. Maybe even Slam if the check is fucked up. His vote is so terrible. But i don't live in imaginary world so i haven't really paid attention to this.
I so hope you're right, that would allow me to say I was actually great at mafia all along.
On March 12 2014 06:36 IAmRobik wrote: 3 post sequence
1) call dandelion scum 2) say you'll switch to boone 3) vote for the person that the person in post 1 is voting for
This Robik.
Even if I was serious about my dandel post your post wouldn't make any sense. There is always the chance I'm wrong on dandel, or that dandel is scum and bussing. You always vote for the player you think is most likely to flip mafia. If you allow yourself to make pre-flip associative reads you're literally handing the mafia weapons to manipulate the thread. By your logic, and assuming I think Dandel is actually scum, if dandel is scum all he should have to do in order to get his scumbuddy not lynched is vote that guy?
On March 12 2014 07:41 Promethelax wrote: Oats and JAT town MVPs. I was impressed by both.
People (palmar) really need to learn to read Ryan though. Palmar's sheeping love of everything Ryan did was awful and actually very confusing from a spectator point of view.
Yeah, seriously, wtf palmar. I had no fucking idea what you were doing all game
I told you, rayn confused me and thus I couldn't quite figure the game out. I kept being close (killing 2nd choice day 1, grack 2nd choice day 3) but yeah.
Never played with rayn as scum before.
And I was convincing you I wasn't scum, as I was pretty sure you weren't scum!
EPT
