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On February 26 2014 00:04 suki wrote: I dislike Palmar so much that I will WotC him out of games that he's not even in. Also stop calling me suko it's annoying How about zuko? | ||
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If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote: lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). It's kinda funny that this sentence is in the same post in which you vote for him, so I take it your voting for him purely for twisting your words, ignoring for a moment wether or not he is doing that (not sure if he is, because I'm seeing alot of the stuff hes pointing out) do you think town is incapable of doing that? More importantly, do you think Moc's actions hurting the thread right now or just you? | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Just establishing my dominance, honey. Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. That depends entirely on you people : P yall have to be worth my time. Also my lurking has nothing to do with my alignment, I lurk and play as scum or town, you asking wether or not I will adds nothing to the great discussion. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:10 geript wrote: Hotdog. Now I really want to lynch gumshoe. I just want to point out that whatever this guy says my alignment is, it's usually the opposite : P | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it. WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people. Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. | ||
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On February 26 2014 10:35 suki wrote: @gumshoe Any reads you'd like to share yet? I'm reading, dont bug me. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Wormhole. Gumshoe, let's get a read from you on someone that doesn't depend mostly/solely on meta. , if I see something scummy I will let you know. I have pointed out a few things that have intrigued me because I felt they would generate discussion, and kept back a few others because it is early in the game and I rather see them unfold on there own. If your worried about contribution from me, don't be, I love posting try hard cases when I have them( and I will have them, I assure you that) even as scum. I will contribute when I have something to contribute. I am not going to call you out as scum just because your pressuring me ( not a bad thing on in of itself) but understand that rushing me to produce something that doesn't exist is likely to result in either me getting picked apart for a sloppy play( Something you've been witness to often enough) or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched. | ||
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Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. | ||
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On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote: So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? Nothing, honestly I'm just writing down my thoughts, it's not for me to decide if I look townie or not : P ask yourself why I'm saying whatever I say, and if what I'm saying is hurting town. Then decide for yourself what I am, all I'm going to do is respond honestly and write try hard cases as they occur to me, I'm not gonna be making up bullshit to save myself if that's what you expect of me. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. I will talk about how easy a mislynch I am all day everyday, so I can bitch about it later on when I get mislynched XD I see no reason to differentiate myself between games, being consistent overall makes me harder to read, which benefits my overall play, Also last nail bite, I don't like how you came into the game threatening me over my activity and then proceeded to berate me for said play, honestly I feel like you had me as a fixed target no matter what I'd do, and although you claimed to want responses from me you were eager to start pushing me in my brief absence, so that when I did return I would be arguing from lower ground. Very particular of you / : the more I think about it the more I feel like a bump on the agenda. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:11 Holyflare wrote: Just find scum, don't defend! Questions can come later. I'm reading you bastards, not posting unless I have something XD | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:10 Mocsta wrote: Guess I was supportive of Gumshoe originally because he gave me confidence at a time I felt I was against everyone active (i.e. Wave + Suki) But in hindsight having read his reasoning for calling me town, its very generic but is written as fact. Similar to how Gumshoe treated my scum claim in GSL (written very factually). Then when reading stuff like the "marketing crap" thats indicative of the type of fluff I took issue with Suki in the first place. The main difference was, Suki could be trolling etc as the post had no direct impact on the game. Whereas gumshoe used the fluff to substantiate a push onto a read. So yes, it is heavily related to the "marketing crap". Regarding the martyr, I dont take value in that. These days, ppl can pull those cards as they please. Having played scum with Gumshoe recently, I know he is self-aware of his meta, so its not out of question that he could play the card as town or scum. As town, if anything I think hes playing the card prematurely. But thats a personal opinion, and not something I would validate towards a read. You misunderstand, my read of you is not similar to the gsl game, it is a product of the gsl game, I feel I have a good grip on your state of mind after it, the way your playing to figure things out and pressure but at the same time adjust your reads, all while doing so in a reasonable manner, is totally opposite from your play in gsl. I cannot reconcile this Mocsta with the one who scum claimed in thread three times while under no pressure whatsoever, if you consider that a "matter of fact read" then what can I say / : I'm pretty much 100 percent sure your town this game, but you might surprise me( I will turn on anyone if they set my imagination on fire) as things stand, I would not be capable of voting for you today. | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: Here is the post in question: See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie Meta flys both ways Rayn, to play devils advocate, as much as I have a habit of shoddy play as town, you have one for lynching me as scum/wrong townie. You are also a fairly terrific player who is aware of his own meta and history, a history in which as scum you destroyed me and as town you were wrong about me. By positioning yourself on my side and smacking my attackers, you lend yourself a silent authority, quietly asserting to the rest of town that your on the right side. Problem is I'm not sure if Wos is scum for his actions. He might just be really frustrated with me(last game we played was a lurk I believe) While I will give you the credit of quickly grasping my townieness in several games, I cant help but feel your posturing is too perfect. Afterall, if I can abuse my meta why cant you? If we assume your scum, this case buys you town rep(defending the meek and pushing bullys) secures a mislynch, makes a potential ally out of me and plays to your meta. It's a far better move than just pushing me as well cause gumshoe. Do you think youd be capable of something like this Rayn? | ||
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On February 26 2014 12:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe of course i would be capable of doing something like that as scum. However that does not make me mafia. I actually know very well how you post as town and having played with you in GSL as mafia and as we talked in TS during the game i know how you operate as scum. Fair point, any accusation against you is preliminary right now at best. I agree with you WOS's posting is a bit shit, but I think he made some of those posts to get the ball rolling, something he does as town. his behaviour atm is proactive, something I dont want to lose right now, if hes scum hell give us more to work with. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case is unclear to someone: My case on Wave is that he made a terrible case on gumshoe based on some scenario gumshoe "should have thought about as town" when in fact if he didn't think about it he possibly couldn't have thought about it in the first place. That's making something out of nothing, especially considering how gumshoe posts as town - yes, he makes all sorts of mistakes like this. For reference: In Extractor trick mafia gumshoe has even said "rayn claimed cop as town but not because of what he is saying but because of something else". Yes, that's our gumshoe. <3 Dont hate me cause I'm beautiful : P Is anybody finding Geript really hard to read? His thoughts feel really convoluted, and I really hate stuff like this. Mental note: Rayn and Toad very unlikely to be scum together. This is the opposite of scum hunting, he allows for 1 scum 1 town, 2 town, but not 2 scum. Whenever hes called out on this 'read' he only has to explain why they cant both be scum, not why one of them is, an explanation that really doesnt put him at risk at all, and doesn't help town in almost any way. Later on he gets to do just that. A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one The neutrality of the post also allows him to swing either way as he pleases, he pressures toad(offering no evidence for doing so at the time), but still bothers rayn @Rayn. Your townread on JJD... You got some essplainin to do. (Note, Geript could you go into detail on your jj read?) Also his eventual case on toad is just awful. It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me. Toad is scum because he buddied with Rayn in a trolly way 0_o it's the first hour man, people troll then sober up, besides, do you honestly think Rayn would act oblivious to a scummy Toad just cause he was friendly? Do you think Toad would be dumb enough to ever think that? | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I literally respond to his post here. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun". | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote: There is, as I said earlier, discrediting a townie can often be the first step towards a mislynch. Same question I asked to Rayn though---do you think her refusal to outright address you properly and provide the 'more discussion' you wanted is scummy? It's easy to feel threatened as town, from her perspective she might have felt the only thing we would garner out of the conversation was a mislynch. Just as easily she could have been scum dodging. Also have you also considered that she was having the same argument with Moc, and didn't feel like having the same conversation twice? | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia? It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say? Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him. | ||
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The options arent traps, theyre just discussion, there is no trap, only the generation of contribution. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so gumshoe:
Now how does any of this make any sense? 1: in that first post, I asked her to respond, the a or b were just options I wanted to see her react to. You make it sound like I was just stating something, whereas the point was always to gleam info from her, otherwise I wouldnt have asked her which option. 2: When did I say they would be scummy answers 0_0. 3: Again never said that, methinks your misunderstanding me, point is this. I found something wierd, I asked myself what motivations were available for wierd behaviur, and wanted to hear how she reacted, at the time perfectly willing to consider her scum or town based off the merit of her answers and continued contribution. End of story. I you got jangled in my words, I apologize / :. Thats kinda what happens when you have to explain something over and over again. | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote: This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process. I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) : | ||
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The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Long tangent under the assumption that Toad actually thinks Rayn is town for no reason 0_0 it's early game trolling man, what the hell are you taking it at face value for. I honestly haven't looked seriously at either of you. One of his posts threw me off a bit. Why do you care about my read on you? What kind of a turnaround is this? Townies look for other townies reactions to major events, dont see why you question her for it. A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. Same crap about Toad 'buddying' rayn but now 4 lines longer. It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. MORE OF THE SAME THING, how much effort are you going to sink into a conversation that means virtually nothing? Almost all of your posting concerns this one exchange, that realistically gleans nada regarding alignment. Yet at a glance, your filter looks packed and well reasoned, while in reality it is the opposite. Whats your read on Jar? | ||
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On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why? 1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool. 2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) Okay so you are trying to create content with your questioning. Now why did you think asking some random questions is a better way to create content than asking about her scumreads? 2) See (1). Also how can you look at her reactions to this particular happening "later on" when you don't know what to expect in the first place? 1: Because I found Moc innocent (her primary scum read cause omgbus) and I assumed she could make us aware of her other reads at her leisure, whereas the questions I asked her, while generic, where very specific to the thread I was talking at the time and would not go answered if not asked. They felt like natural extensions of the argument I was raising. I wasnt sure what answer to expect, but I did want one, like a dog wants a belly rub that never ends. 2: No idea what your saying here, but ill take a shot, my lack of ability in predicting what people will say and guiding their answers has nothing to do with my ability to make reads off what they already said. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the purpose of your post i quoted in the first place is totally unclear to me. You don't think suki is mafia, yet you say she looks scummy. You ask her questions, which do not help you in any way. You don't expect anything, and when she does something that says nothing you get nothing out of it. What was the point of the post in your opinion? The purpose of the post was to see how other people reacted and to share my thoughts on Suki at the time. Also you make it sound like I think Suki is great all of a sudden, shes not, I consider people townie already but Suki is null on that spectrum, which means she did not prove her towniness to me in our exchange, but also did not give me any reason to tunnel her. Oh and The questions dont help me, it was the answers I was counting on and who says I didnt expect anything? I'm always hopeful. | ||
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Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know. I have no idea what would your goal be from any perspective tbh.. That's why i don't push it further. It does not answer anything, jsut raises more question that will never be answered because you are gumshoe.  I don't know what exactly do you mean with "dense" on geript, but yeah, he's quite meh atm.. I find it very unlikely he would read the thread and people's intentions this carelessly as town. dense means dumb. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:45 Cavalinho wrote: Why is it that you don't think he's mafia, but you think he's scummy? Are mafia and scum two different entities? This. Although I'm not sure Chyz's incompetence in his past few posts translates to guilt, unless he feels unreasonably pressured. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:54 JarJarDrinks wrote: What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town? No, I'm not, because Geript's case on you is half hearted enough to be an exoneration bus. Also, have you read half his posts? he literally has five paragraphs on why Toad is scum just because he said hed be buddies in response to Rayn at the start... The argument is dumb and hes pushing it hard. The rest of his posts are lack luster. As for you specifically, I havent seen enough to make a read yet, so carry on. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe why did you ask me about geript? I think i have pretty clearly stated what i think of geript before you asked. I hadn't seen those posts because atm I am not looking at your filter. I also felt his behaviour deserved more attention, problem officer? | ||
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Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you). How do you expect a scum Geript to play? | ||
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Can you cut this passive aggressive stick? If you want to go for a hat trick, come at me, but I'd appreciate it if I could have a discussion with you without having to defend myself every other post. | ||
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See I dont get that from your posts, you portray him as misguided and foolish, is that the same as scummy to you? | ||
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On February 26 2014 15:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's why i said "misguided or "misguided" ". I don't know what he is yet, if i had to say i'd say scum because he made really bad cases last game he was scum in but i need to see more from him. Fair enough, Im done for tonight ( : night town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: After rereading GSL IV I gotta say that I find gumshoe a lot less scummy. Basically all he has been doing in that game was justifying for people he could lynch, summarizing stuff and defending himself. Here he actively participates in discussions, and I'm confident in stating that the post tone is a lot different. Doesn't change where I stand with WoS though. Multiple of his actions don't make sense from a town point of view, him abandoning the gumshoe vote so quickly, suspecting me for not commenting on a player he doesn't know anything about, the not delivered look at a gumshoe scumgame he promised. I havent even posted yet 0_0 and your already taking back your scum read on me? I'll answer anyways, I wasnt just sheeping moc on suki, suki was the first thing that bugged me in thread so I went looking for other peoples opinions on her to get more reads. The fact that Moc was on a similar page with me right off the bat gave me confidence in him, like we were starting from the same place. Also having just played an extremely toxic game with him, I can say his play is completely reasonable in comparison. You accuse the combination of those two points of being a narrative? Well of course It's a narrative, I always have one, it makes my posting easier to read and makes the argument better, besides, there is always an actual story going on, my attempting to find it is not manipulation, just me trying to base my reads off more than just mistakes, something both townies and scum can make. If you take issue with the above you are critiquing my overall play, not my alignment. Furthermore, as opposed to taking my post at face value, as a sort of double off the cuff read(thats reasonable because they were attacking each other), you are unknowingly(or knowingly) crafting a narrative of me crafting a narrative 0_o. Am I wrong? How is your story better or less suspect than mine? Speaking of hypocricy, you call WOS out for flip flopping on me, but have now done the same after each vocal townie has straight up said they will not vote for me atm. The difference is I spoke to Wos and we argued our grievances out, whereas you fought me over a single piece of posting that has already been discussed to death, then back tracked and said the rest of my play is townie after I was no longer a viable target. I mean, did you just read my opening post and stop there? The rest of my filter, that you consider active and towny, was there when you started / : Supposedly you 'read' gsl and thats why you developed your opinion, but meh, if I was accusing someone I would at least wait till they come back before I drop my read, even if I'm not that confident in it anymore. Otherwise what was the point? As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand. These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now. Geript In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i read that and i agree with you. Holy flaire is not a town read of Moc's, Suki is, it makes sense Moc would be more incline to talk to Suki. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually just fuck it. I am really sure Mocsta is mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: Mocsta Really? You think hed play this calm after rolling mafia 6 times in a row or something? I'm telling you, that kind of frustration doesn't dissipate and it's not there in his play. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe you really need to start giving some reads. Vivax now it's time to hear your read on TheChyz, please. Bad timing, I've just given you five by my count. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well your reasoning for scumreading suki is absolute crap, especially the part where you compare TheChyz' meta which he already said himself does not line up with his meta from last game. What gives? I dont care what he said, I've read the two games and they line up, I find similar intangling reasoning that doesnt always lead somewhere and a touch of hostility, No major diffrence present. Suki has first hand experience with his shoddy play as town yet elects to consider him scum. I also think her points on how Moc was opportunistic on me underscores the actual events, in which he brought up reasonable points against me and I adressed them. So he dropped those points at a time when suspecting me was perfectly viable. I dont think her cases are coming from a place of sincerity, that her top scum read happens to be the guy who attacked her at the start is pretty damm convenient and I expected her of all people to defend Chyz for playing sloppy. | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i have absolutely no idea where your read on geript has come from, it basically is "he could do this as mafia so scummy". And i don't know what anything you said about Vivax is about. So no gumshoe, i don't understand a single portion of that post. 1: Your misunderstanding, I mean he can do this as town, you keep misunderstanding me and it's getting annoying. 2: Vivax accused Wos of flip flopping on me, did the same with less push to do so, seemingly only did cause I wasnt getting lynched. He also crafted a narrative about how I crafted a narrative, and disregarded the rest of my filter for over day, after which he found me townie for said filter. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck Holyflare that post made me think bad thoughts. Why would you even ask that about Ange? Don't make me the worst mafia player ever ok? Can you not give out 100 percent town reads if your just going to retract them 5 seconds later? Your uncharacteristically insecure this game, jumping back and forth as the wind takes you, what gives? (See, I can make shitty generalizations about your posts too.) | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well gumshoe has proven he is familiar with his meta and he just played scum with me in that game so he knows what i know. It's not impossible for him to intentionally "dumb down" his play from informed to "uninformed". yes suki is a questionmark aswell. 1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote: Your case on suki: is my case on suki: Sorry didnt see yours ) : credit where it's due, I bow to your superior forsight, so can we lynch her? | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back. Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:26 Vivax wrote: I thought you were town cause you sounded a lot more confident than in GSL, but now you sound TOO confident gum. Do I Vax?! DO I !!!! | ||
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K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc. Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof. Suki reads very town to me. Then when neither of us look like were getting lynched, he goes onto Chyz(flavour of the hour and who coincidentally enough was Suki's target as well) and when Chyz looks like hes not getting lynched he backs off him to. and finally back onto me. OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up. Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him. I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. I also completley agree about the people who feel that the thread atmosphere is bad. This is scummy for two reasons, 1: Saying so is useless and does nothing to help town (its also a good excuse for future lurking/flip flopping). 2: Scum, are the only ones who would have that impression (this game is pretty great so far) because they would be able to know if town is onto any of them or not, if none of town are, then the atmosphere will appear to them to be in thier favour therefore bad. Thats the kind of scum slip I can get behind and it's one both suki and Vivax have made. So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him). For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained. ##Vote: Jar Jar | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:07 suki wrote: Sorry wave what exactly are you calling me scummy for? Also I did not say that mocsta was scum for his reads not evolving andi don't know how you got that from my case on him. Suki, what do you think of Jar Jar? Why did you feel that the Chyz's poor play was scummy, even though it was similar to his newbie town play youd encountered in newbie LI? A game in which you exploited his shoddy play in order to get him mislynched. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:27 JarJarDrinks wrote: Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted. Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that. I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts. Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scum I am responding to the bolded. 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. 2: The post was not a joke,it was a mock, he was pissed at you, a sign of his rising aggression, so you dodged onto me. 3: The accusation is you have no real reasoning for your read on Suki, it doesn't matter if you were asked about it, you opted not to back up your claim. 4: It's possible your scum buddying her and shes town, or she could just as easily be scum and your backing her up, while shes able to avoid commenting on you, thereby not quite buddying back. Doesnt change how flawed your faith in her is. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: [/b]So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. #Geript. | ||
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There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. | ||
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On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Take a break gumshoe. Take a shit, cause your full of it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote: you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:14 Holyflare wrote: I agree that it's nothing like some of his scum games but that's not the points anyone is picking him up on, why does he have to troll/give up/be angry just because he rolled scum again? maybe he'd try hard in this game, maybe not? why are you only giving your town read to him and ignoring everything he's done in this game just because he's playing like he was elated despite him doing scummy things? I had a good feel on Moc's state of mind after Gsl, I personally was fine with his posting in this game, if you want me to answer the arguments raised against him I will one after another. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: Then why did you ask me to find the post? Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well this is not detailed enough answer for me. I'd just like to say I'm sorry Rayn ) : what I said was uncalled for, something about the way you press witnesses bugs me, You pick away alot at inconsistencies, an approach I dont entirely agree with because I feel town is just as capable of producing them as scum, it's also an approach you used to mislynch me. So its personally frustrating to see it, you take castles apart by removing a stone from the base and then preach that the castle deserved to fall because of that single weakness. You may or may not be right, who knows, I'm done for today, going to sleep. Night town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did you claim scum or modkill yourself? Im pretty sure he meant ask Bh to roll town. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:47 Cavalinho wrote: Also, can anyone else confirm that Mocsta was actually TheDavison from Smurf Mini Mafia? His posting looks almost leagues more decisive and cleaner than what's going on this game, but I'm still not familiar with everyone's meta and whatnot. He is arguing from a position of weakness this game, hes been pressed all around and expected to respond to 4-6 diffrent cases simultaneously, some of which are probably trumped up by scum. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like wtf is this supposed to mean otherwise? Asked bh to roll town, what else? | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes and he either got it which modconfirms him as town or he didn't which makes him scum. Anyways the statement is out game information and totally BS. Thats why he said not that it matters. | ||
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On February 28 2014 01:27 Vivax wrote: But hey. I'll make it for dummies just to make sure, you never know. Premise: gumshoe scum. Sees suki and moc calling each other scum. Thinks suki can look scummy. Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town. Sees that the two are having a debate. Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously. He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post. Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting. Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way? At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument). Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post. And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame. Assuming you bilieve I'm scum, why is your vote still on Mocsta? From your reasoning here, you state if I am scum, either moc and suki are town, or Suki is more likely scum between the two. You have two stances that are in firm clash with one another. So am I or Mocsta scum? I feel the need to ask because you clearly dont think we both are, but are more than willing to push the both of us. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote: Gum, it was speculation under the premise that you would rather bus than give your buddy a townread. Being speculation I can't know if it actually applies, so I'm not following that rule to the letter, especially not without knowing your alignment. Speculation or not, when townies have reads they form thier play around them, or drop those reads entirely to pursue new ones, here your doing the opposite, providing evidence that hurts one of your own cases, and not dropping it entirely. The only explanation I can fathom for such self damaging play is that you saw an opportunity to make a lynch happened, but werent confident enough to drop your old one in favour of it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:15 suki wrote: I can see why people are calling me out for having such a bad conclusion to my case on TheChyz. All I can say is it's been retardedly frustrating to not be able to play when so much is going on in this game. My analysis on TheChyz was cut short because of time. I wasn't able to pressure people or comment on more people because of time. Now that I have some time I am going to read Chyz again and also comment on a lot more people. TheChyz Part 2 TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game. He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play: This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them: + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats. I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much. ##Vote: Day_Walker On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote: I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm. On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so? On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote: I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important. The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people. Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together. ##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play. His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone. TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn. Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax. This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point. Summary: I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion. All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz. ##vote TheChyz Isn't it remarkably convenient how Chyz's meta, something you didn't take into account initially despite knowing first hand how hand how easily exploitable it is, just so happens to support your existing case? Besides, this game chyz is tunneling Geript, just like he did day walker in the newbie game, while offering asides here and there. He is less yolo, but bear in mind, that was his first game and have you even considered that he might have toned down his play as a direct result of getting mislynched (by you no less)? Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. The fact that you would pick out meh qoutes in his play and upgrade him to townie is wierd. Scum reads>town reads, townies dont just find meh play to be green, because they wanna find scum, not pre-emptively clear people. Yet you and Jar Jar have had alot of confidence in one another throughout this game for moderate reasons. Yeah nope, I'm not buying it, of the two of you Jar is more likely scum, because he just abandoned you to get either one of us lynched. But I'm not satisfied with your reasoning for finding him towny / : Also this is funny, Hey Crossfire! :D Yeah the memory of that game is still fresh in my mind.. I told my boyfriend that I signed up for this mafia and he was like 'seriously? you were so stressed the whole time you played the last game' Haha. But I'm kinda glad that it ended the way it did, it makes for a really good story This qoute, from that same newbie game, sounds awfully similar to how you started this game, I'd also like to point out that your cases were quite well put together there as well, your a pretty damm good player, but I dont think your a towny one ) : | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense: You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:42 Vivax wrote: I'd like people to riddle me this then. What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript? Do you honestly bilieve were lynching G today? Do you think Moc does? Hes saying this because hes honestly changing a read, there is a day in between those posts, opinions can shift. If Moc is scum the last thing he wants to do is turn a guy who thinks hes town into yet another enemy, if hes trying to avoid his own mislynch this is not the way he would do it. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit? I see you live in the united states, how does freedom taste? | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote: No one is willing to lynch geript? Are you reading the thread gum? This still stands. Geript In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people. | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:52 Toadesstern wrote: We did for at least 24 hours . He choose to ignore his chance and is back at it, hence I am voting it. Now can you do the same as you promised and vote him with me because he claimed mafia? Where did he claim 0_0. and ultimatly I'm just not going to vote for someone I no longer think is scum, today I will lynch (in this order) Jar, vivax and suki. No one else. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well. He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:29 Vivax wrote: What happened to your suki scum read. A lot of your bad cases on JJD are based on them being scum together and showing their connections. Hasnt gone anywhere, it's just that lynching Jar is functionally the same as lynching Suki, whereas you are a different avenue entirely. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:31 Vivax wrote: And with that I mean: How did you go from this to this Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote: Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: Find me examples for the bolded, cause the hyperbole you use for him jumping around doesn't really reflect in his filter. He voted Chyz, then unvoted saying his posts looked townie. Now he's on your ass. That's all I gained from his filter and it doesn't look like he's jumping around like crazy like you say. Most of your case against JJD is something that could be used against you and your irrational certainty of Mocsta's alignment. Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:47 Vivax wrote: Or you could simply explain how you set those priorities. My guess is that it depends on the likelihood of one of them getting lynched. You are the one accusing me, dont twist the question, if you cant answer it then it means you dont actually believe I'm scum, your just pushing me because you saw something to push. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing.Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread. I dont think you shut me down, your counter didnt convince me, you backed up suki purely because she was your scum partner, suki ignored your ridicules support because she was afraid asosciating with her scum buddy, only calling you out as townie when pressed. That looks like scum dynamic to me. We can talk but your just going to deny everything I say, because your scum, thats why I'll argue about it with others(players like Vivax might reveal himself by defending you), but I wont talk about it with you, cause your not going to give anything more than I already know. Where did you get the name Jar from? | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. I have infered why he switches, he does so to help Suki and start fires, he backs off when hes scared of ascociating or when he thinks that person wont get lynched. I dont need him to tell me that and hes not going to tell me that. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. Your scum, so lets rule you out, Rayn, Wos and Holy work through their suspiciouns via dialogue, backing off at times that make no sense, especially because they create most of thier own suspicions in the first place, unlike Jar who goes baah. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring All aboard the shitty town read train! , don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it. The suki case was bad. Suki reads very town to me. and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched. I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy You start distancing yourself. You abandon your game long town read on Suki on the basis that you think I bussed my team mate right off the bat. This theory is dumb, it assumes I am utterly incompetent and the only reason I can imagine you abandoning Suki for it is if you know shes going to flip scum, and your trying to discard your relation with her as quickly as possible. What more the positioning of this post makes suki being scum imply that I'm scum as opposed to you bieng scum, which is exactly what I would do if I was worried about being brought down along with her. Also if I'm lynched , youve set it up so that suki looks town, because you scum read her purely based off your read of me. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case. He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here: And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is. And the 2nd example: Look up my case on thrawn in a quit game of mini mafia, It's almost identical to my case on you and I made it as town, the only difference here is that I'm right this time : P | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say:??? And you still haven't answered this: Please explain. Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe. She was under fire from holy, wos, me rayn and to a lesser extent moc, several players highly capable of putting a lynch on her. Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.". And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first. Suki TheChyz are you going to say anything else or just come in and randomly townread Mocsta? February 26 2014 11:09. Posts 1142 I'm heading to bed. Mocsta is still my #1, I don't like TheChyz dodging my question and just sort of actively lurking. February 26 2014 12:12. Jar jar Suki reads very town to me. Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like: - Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all. - He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic - I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it February 26 2014 22:50. Your reads align with Suki's, you think Suki is town. There is undeniably a connection here, wether your just sheeping her or your both scum, regardless pretty sure your scum. | ||
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On February 28 2014 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.". And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first. I dont find jumping on safe cases(me, chyz, moc) and giving out an unsubstantiated town read to be exemplary play, the fact that Suki does is bads. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum? I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame. And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo. I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me. I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point. Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this, I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread . Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association. ##Unovte ##Vote: Suki | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's like I'm pushing for her to be lynched. You dont have many reads Jar, so when you back up on one and call it scummy, I take it as a top scum pick. You feeling the need to give any quarter on Suki whatsoever and present a silly bus case to make me somehow look bad after she flips red is what looks scummy to me here, I dont feel like I'm misrepresenting anything at all. But whateves, you can run free for a bit, I'll just come back to you after Suki ( : | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:12 Vivax wrote: I want to know why you swallow the claim so easily since I've been your top scumread. Well I bloody dont, you saying I'm blue means nothing, it's like saying I'm town. In fact by bringing it up so vaugely, you force others potential blues to step in to fight you. Whats more scum might not even shoot you tonight, they could just leave you alone and hope we mislynch you cause you dont die. This claim says absolutely nothing about your alignment, because you either die or get "role blocked' here on out. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: I don't have many reads? Well I guess you think I'm town then:I thought I was scummy because I had too many reads? LOL pick poke pick poke, the problem is not how many reads you have, but how much you flip flop on them, also give it time, I'm sure you'll branch out the more desperate you get. Why are you still fighting me? Niether of us are getting lynched. Move on. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation AND bad association inc. WARNING The bolded is perfect motivation for you to fakeclaim if Moc/suki are both town. Hell, even if only one of them is considering nobody knows where the lynch goes yet today. Hell I don't think there's much downside to you fakeclaiming anyway. Like if it's real why the fuck would you claim so early? ESPECIALLY since I said I'd only be aorund for what now...another 30 min, and other lynches can continue to be pushed in my absence? LET'S GO PEOPLE, I WANT INPUT ON VIVAX> PRONTO His claim means nothing here on out, mafia just role block him if hes actually blue, and well do the rest for them. All the old cases still stand. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:23 Vivax wrote: Well until mafia knows what role I have, they won't know if it's worth blocking me. I can say that I'm not the doctor, so I can at the very least survive the first night being protected and take two roleblocks out of the game. So? If your scum, you claim rb. If your town, you get rbed, scum doesnt shoot you, we do. I'm so glad you feel your doing such a service to town, but your claim literally says nothing about your alignment. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:27 Holyflare wrote: *pat* *pat* how is it exactly you and gumshoe KNOW there are rb'ers in this game? Rber is a crucial component for scum, all the other scum roles are pretty fluff, I feel it's safe to assume there is one. Even if theres not, with the exception of Vig there is no role that can reliably prove itself. Therefore it's still just his word against whoevers come tommorow, even if there isnt an rber. Claim is 9 times out of 10 null. Not saying I wanna lynch him for it, just that we shouldn't consider it as a reason to or not to lynch him. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: not gonna lie if i rolled scum this game i would have just quit  This is a big part of where my Moc read is coming from, I think he would have done similar. I have no issue letting Vivax's claim play out tommorow, just dont think theres a point, would still love to lynch Suki. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote: Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time. Whose to say your not doing that right now? | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote: Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time. Also, it's so easy to cow town in to doing stuff by saying "cmon guys, if this guy was town hed be hammered" but the truth is often a lot more complex then that. In my gsl game, Mordanis wasnt online to hammer, and we hoped he wouldn't need to so that we wouldn't all be on the same train. This game, my scum read suki hasnt been online very often but has been pushing moc, jar jar's been arguing with me but will switch to moc on a dime, and your pushing moc as we speak, so yeah, dont like this logic, I did the same thing with Mattchew. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:41 Toadesstern wrote: how come you only mentioned this about mocsta though? It's been the same situation for all of HF, Mocsta and me. There was a lot of talk about it pre-game, yet you only felt the need to mention it about mocsta? Thats specifically because I just played out a scum game with Mocsta where his frustration with rolling scum was a great impediment twoards our winning. Who are you again 0_o? Why would I have a similar meta read on someone I've never played with. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:49 Vivax wrote: Hey gum. Presuming a scum suki, do you see this coming from scum? Yes 0_0 hes still trying to defend his buddy. If he adapts his stances around my reads it becomes obvius thats hes cowed scum. If she does flip red, he can just say what hes been saying all game, that he thought she was town at first, but realizes now that me and her were scum buddies all along. I mean, your not giving up on Suki, why would he? | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:51 Vivax wrote: Meh,might as well claim my full role. I'm vigilante, hence it isn't necessarily bad if scum rbs me, cause I might end up shooting a townie anyway. I had such plans with HF cause he pissed me off, and hence I didn't say anything cause I wanted to shoot him out of the blue and have some laughs. I was hoping for this, if mafia doesnt have an rber somehow then you can prove yourself ( : of all the claims this is the best one you could have, it's convenient, but whatever, doesn't hurt town to give you a literal shot. | ||
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On February 28 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Holy, reassure me before I go. Why is suki the best lynch today? Called town atmosphere bad, because from her perspective as scum, we werent getting anywhere closer to the truth. Whereas the atmosphere was honestly pretty great. Thinks Chyz's play is weak, doesnt take into account his only other game wherein he was mislynched by her for weak play. When she does take it into account it magically supports her initial case. Found Jar Jar's play highly townie when pressed on it, didnt bother mentioning his blind devotion until that very moment. Thats just my addition ( : | ||
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On February 28 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote: Dude, scum play 101, if there is a rber he can just rb and kill targets every day and fake claim rb if he's scum so no it doesn't confirm him. Also, @vivax, you pointed out an inconsistancy in her reads, am i suddenly supposed to be conflicted on my other scum read because of it? Not really. I was only conflicted when she voted you after sheeping sentiment because then it looked bad but these are 2 unflipped players we're talking about so it meant nothing. Now you've claimed blue so it looks even worse. For sure, but again all this is null, worst case scenario, he claims rb, we lynch him tomorrow. Best case, double night kill, we know hes town. Simple as that. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:18 WaveofShadow wrote: FUCK YES HF I LOVE YOyUyUyU Dont I get some credit ) : how does a Jar Jar lynch look now? | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:41 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe if anything the flip makes you look worse in my opinion cause you were constantly getting at JJD for townreading suki but not much else. That's something that only you found scummy in the thread and that would make sense if you knew suki was mafia already, and JJD mentioned that possibility too. Whatever you say lord Vivax, please don't shoot me ) : | ||
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Anyone who is arguing this knows how shitty it sounds and is only doing it because they have no other avenue available to them. Besides, the lynch was 5 vs bloody 5, I didn't even have to switch onto Moc, just go back to Jar Jar, or not leave him in the first place. You honestly think I wouldnt risk myself like that to save my gf AND get a mislynch? Your better than that Vivax, if you believe any of the above then please just shoot me, cause with reasoning like that your likely to misfire regardless. At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( : | ||
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On February 28 2014 11:08 geript wrote: The bad news for me is that suki's dig at Toad makes it more likely that he's town. That makes me really sad. That doesnt sound like the Geript I know and love ) ; careful man, your in danger of becoming useful. | ||
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On February 28 2014 12:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Absolutely not true. I know hosts that would not put a cop in the game for precisely this reason. Playin' games tonight and relaxing after a hard days' work in thread. Voting analysis tomorrow. like all theories, nothing is absolutley right, but we choose ones to air because we feel they have a reasonable shot at bieng correct. Which is how I feel about there bieng a dt, Yes aquanim might be a troll, but why include an apendix such as a god father in the first place if theres no dt? Just to throw off town? Seems unreasonably scum favoured treatment to mislead town like that, because if we lynch a goon, there could still be a god father, so why not just have a goon? | ||
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On February 28 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote: can i sit back and let you guys solve the game instead? x_x aannnnd I'm up again, I feel it's safe to assume those on the train that lynched Suki are all town, Holyflare raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777, In a lynch that close its retarded to pick a townie over your own team mate, especially when that team mate is gf. Mocsta is town, I dont see thier early interactions as scum on scum. Chyz is town because Suki attempted to set him up in the same way she did in her newbie game with him, she felt confident she could lynch him because shed done it before. Geript and Toad are dumb. But town, they both could have saved Suki by switching onto Moc, Toad especially had a moc scum read in place, it would have been the easiest thing thing in the world for him to switch. That leaves Cavalinho, Jar and Vivax. Theres two scum out of these three. probs vivax and jar. ANNNND thats a wrap, scum can concede now, we win gggggggggg. | ||
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On February 28 2014 13:49 Aquanim wrote: From the OP: Please do not discuss the possibility of mafia conceding in the thread. If mafia want to concede, they'll let me know. Sorry ) : didn't see that. I retract my statement. | ||
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Would also like to add toad to the list of suspects, didn't see that he switched last second. God I really don't want Geript to be right T-T. Basically if a miracle happens tommorow and vivaxes shot goes through we should lynch jar, other wise we deal with V. And then we just see where that leads us, probs to victory. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:12 Holyflare wrote: The only thing that worries me about mocsta is that he got into a shit fest with dp and argued all of day 1 on voice and they were both scum but if both mocsta and suki are scum then they were switching off suki to do what..? just save the gf over a goon or something? Voice is totally diffrent, in a way scum can be a lot more strategic, because they can watch a strategy play out fast, you know this : P. Theres zero commitment, harder to have the will to do so in a game that goes on for weeks potentially. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV. Thats... great? Do you have a specific context on that? Did he initiate the allegations or sheep? | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:18 Mocsta wrote: That's a lie In lxiv I was town In lxiv restart I only called buddies scum if Ppl I was close to was on them. Like your he did this once thing is annoying and completely is devoid of context U could argue I was wishy washy o. Suki because because IMA goon Or u could argue I was wishy washy on suki because everyone shit on me and called me scum resulting in a lack of confidence in my read I mean i dont het you at all rayn, if town but we can talk post game So much of how u r playing regarding me reminds me of GoT... Sigh I'm trying my hardest not to take it personal with my read on u, but u r making it difficult Hes obviously town, no way scum rayn would just carelessly leave his vote on Suki at a time when her lynch is at all possible. Best move would be to stay the course, continue to discredit me, lynch you, easy day 1, hes done it before and he would have done it again if he was scum, but hes not, end of story,. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you. Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched. He didnt just claim blue, he claimed vig, the only roll capable of proving its loyalty, it's like someone getting away with murder because they claim they're the second coming of christ and therefore they can do no wrong. Sadly I doubt any hopeful lepers will be cured this game. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: This has happened in the Quiet game where the lynch was between Mr.Cheesecake and Corazon on D1. Also in NMM where we piled on zarepath and when he fakeclaimed we decided to lynch Balla. It's not that black and white, it depends on the stiuation and what actually happened and if scum can or can't do anything about it. Now i actually do shut up and go do the read so i even know what i am talking about. Oks ( : (btw you should be tl mafias official historian.) | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch. Yeah, Toads last minute switch to Moc is awful, didn't see it at first, but there it is. Also you find me scary? I'll take that as a compliment : P You may have been right all along Geript ) : well see. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote: Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now. ) : | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is probably town too. : D | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible. It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia. This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: The post is terrible because you basically list what suki has done but you don't end up in any new conclusions. Like everything you concluded has been said already. Game is solved, cant fault him for not finding anything when theres too little to be found. | ||
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On February 28 2014 21:02 Vivax wrote: Before my claim: After my claim: Gum's reasoning is super dangly. Like, his whole premise throughout time was that suki JJD and me are scum. Before the claim he started attacking me and had suki as last in his lynch order. After the claim, 6 hours later after the post from JJD he uses as reason, he uses it as justification for voting suki, when it was there well before my claim, yet gumshoe only felt like using it after it was clear I was not getting lynched. You claimed the role that you were the most capable of proving, even though the claim itself means nothing really, it hurts us in no way whatsoever to wait and see what happens with it. Theres nothing wierd about me postponing the push on you just to wait and see about your role, in fact if I was scum, I would want to see you lynched before you got your shot and became confirmed blue, would have at least tried. As for lynching Suki, I was always down with that, just wanted to see Jar die more because he was actively fighting me at the time. You argue here that after your claim, I consolidated onto Suki and let go of my jar jar lynch, which makes no fucking sense if I'm red. If I was scum, why not just pull a geript and stay on Jar(as in abstain from voting for the two candidates in favour of my own vendetta), a lynch that would never happen. Suki would've been saved / : Moc gets mislynched, and it's not even really my fault, whats not to love? Oh, why did I get so mad? I dont mind getting mislynched, it's funny, I can give people shit about it months after a game is over. What I really hate is when I know some one is green and I cant stop thier mislynch, I feel I've failed them, all of town and myself. In fact I'm not even that mad about Mocs modkill, cause there was nothing I could do to prevent it XD not my fault in any way whatsoever. But if I failed to convince Rayn day 1, and his vote had been the deciding one on Moc, I woulda been pissed ) : that and your nitpicky ways anger me sometimes Rayn : P Finally, in general alot of people have been accusing me of gaps in reasoning. Truth is I'm not much of a facts guy, I'll never be the one to point to a mistake and demand an explanation unless I can specifically tie that mistake to a motive. When I play mafia as town, it's all about the existing narratives, they're all there in the thread, vying for my attention and at any moment I might need to go all in on one. Basically I'm looking at this game in a weirder way, which is why often my play can look odd, if not down right scummy. When I am actually scum though, I instead craft narratives and feed those to the greens, I dont hand out all the existing ones in hopes that they're careless enough to not bother having the conversation that were having right now. This is simply because I enjoy the act of convincing people through lies more than I enjoy having flimsy "town cred", susceptible to the whims of the greens and blues, and gained at the cost of my invaluable allies lives. There, I've explained myself as sincerley as I can, but theres really not much you can do when the argument agains you is "hes playing too good!" XD I mean, even if I do present a good defence, doesn't that just make me look scummier? In all seriousness though, this Gumshoe lynch sounds pretty boss, I noticed something else fishy. Gumshoe on Gumshoe: I dont know if you guys have noticed, but everyone else has treated Vivax's shot as if it's going to go off, but Gumshoe seems extremely hesitant, it's as if he already knows Vivax is getting an rb and is seeding the lynch onto him for tomorrow. Surprised no ones mentioned this. My proposal for tonights shot is still on Jar, dude started buddying with Suki early on, and then tried to associate me with her as scum because he knew shed flip red. Otherwise theres no reason he would abandon a green read hes had since games start and had defend thoroughly till then. That and this is what Suki had to say about him all game long My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. Bolded part shows critical thinking. I actually thought it was a really clever question. Like, he's looking at the interactions and reading between the lines, trying to figure out the game. Posts like these are confident. He doesn't overexplain his reads. Yeah he just feels to me like he's trying to understand the game. He's being transparent and open with his thoughts, even if he doesn't have high quantity. Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3. If we have a dt, I propose they look at Toad, his shoot me claim is null if hes scum, because he will just have the role blocker ping vivax if he thinks hes actually going to get shot. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact. Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. I stopped believing his claim the moment he claimed vig, he took on the role with the easiest pay load, why would I want to lynch him then? God your such scum Jar Jar T_T IT HURTS, IT HURTS MY VERY SOUL. Besides, lets assume Vax is vig, and his shot goes off tonight on a townie, we would still have two mislynches. You can all still afford to listen to me, it's worked out so far. If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote: Yeah gum good to see you're here. Can you explain to me how you posted multiple points about suki, then dropped it to go after JJD, that way putting suki on the backburner until after I claimed? My read on Jar was one of asociation with Suki, they buddied like hell, but if I was to say one was scum and one town, it would be Jar as scum, because Suki had decent reads and usually came up with her own pushes, where as jar jars motives lined up with hers almost perfectly and his play/ reads were bad from my view. Also if I was scum, why not stay on Jar? Is he scum too? Great, kill him anyways. I voted Suki cause Jar wasnt going to be lynched and suki was still in my top 3. As for your claim, I've said it before I'll say it again, not going to lynch the most powerful blue role until he gets his shot. End of story. I'd like to remind you all, you are the ones arguing the harder postion (that I am intentionally playing sub optimally to win). It is not my job to convince you, tell me my motives, or accept the fact that your lynch of me is merely praying on town paranoia and a desire within each player to personally win the game. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:31 Vivax wrote: Gum I really don't want to kill you out of the blue and I just want to know if you're town or not. My main issue is simply that I cannot understand how you chose your lynch priorities regarding suki me and JJD, how you abandoned your early vote on her and why you brought up JarJar's post after I claimed as a reason for your vote instead of 1000 better reasons (like the points you already had brought up earlier. Isnt that key? You dont want to kill me out of the blue? But you do wanna kill me dont you XD Also the post you mentioned was brought up long before your claim You start distancing yourself. You abandon your game long town read on Suki on the basis that you think I bussed my team mate right off the bat. This theory is dumb, it assumes I am utterly incompetent and the only reason I can imagine you abandoning Suki for it is if you know shes going to flip scum, and your trying to discard your relation with her as quickly as possible. What more the positioning of this post makes suki being scum imply that I'm scum as opposed to you bieng scum, which is exactly what I would do if I was worried about being brought down along with her. Also if I'm lynched , youve set it up so that suki looks town, because you scum read her purely based off your read of me. February 28 2014 05:29. Your claim February 28 2014 06:05. No but I can tell that you're either awful at reading me or scum. I'm a blue. The reasoning was initially there a whole half an hour before your claim. honestly I switched onto Suki because I wasnt going to waste my vote on someone whose not getting lynched. That is because I am town, if I was scum, I would just stay on Jar Jar. Like, your arguing an inconsistency that in no way proves I'm scum, because theres no reason for me to switch off of Jar Jar if thats the case. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: And the other the other thing about GSL is how he always added his scumbuddy mordanis in his scumreads. The difference there was mord wasnt in danger of being lynched so he never had to vote for him. Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax. Of course I'd vote Vivax, because hes scum XD his claim is disgustingly convenient. You know what, I've called everything else in this game so far so why not, calling it now, Vivax's shot will not go off, because there is no shot. What am I willing to bet? My life of course. Take careful aim "Vig". | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact. Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town. In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it. No, I coulda stayed on you 0_o Geript did just that with Toad. I easily could have done the same, I just would have made sure to leave the lynch before hand. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:47 Vivax wrote: There's one person in particular that hasn't been brought up as possible scum...EVER, and that caught my eye. This person comments on multiple people being scummy for some reason, two of them being called out. The person calls some of suki's points legitimate at some point, but at no point calls anything scummy about suki, only asks her a question about the town atmosphere thing. The person calls out Mocsta and TheChyz as scummy, but when the person has to decide it justifies its vote on suki by arguing that most townreads are on her, and doesn't argue for Mocsta being more scummy over suki despite calling him scummy earlier, but never saying much about suki. And the person iiiis? I propose a motion to dismiss everything Vivax says until his shot goes off. He is playing a fantastic scum game, but a scum game none the less. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:04 Vivax wrote: Or do you guys really want to assume that suki cannot have been bussed? Yes, we should be assuming that. Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt. Unlike you, I'm not assuming sub optimal play. Also the fact that Ange calls out Mocsta as scummy proves that she could have been on Moc no problem. Ie there was no conflict of stance if she wanted to you know, not fuck her scum team. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:50 Vivax wrote: Gumshoe I'm not scum and if you didn't realize it by now regardless of the claim then I fear that your JJD read is equally bad. I have no fucking reason to be this tryhard since I claimed, I could just relax and do jack and nobody would want to lynch me for a good time. And as JarJar said, the vigi fakeclaim is the most dangerous one cause if the real vigi sees it then he will shoot you. Although I've already been in a game with two one-shot-vigis, but since there's probably a DT I don't think that it will be the case. This, scum know that there is a dt because there is a god father. Therefore dt is not a safe claim, but vig is. Vig also happens to be the best role for proving itself, and at the same time a super easy one for scum to claim because they just claim role block, or claim the existence of one. On top of that, vig has the most plays, if you aim at me tonight, and claim role block tommorow that implies I'm scum and sounds way more factual than "guys I got a red check!" even though the two narratives are effectively the same. Basically it was a completely safe gamble and we should treat it as such. As for Jar Jar, you were wrong about Suki, if you are somehow blue blood, how confident are you that hes town as well? | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:12 Vivax wrote: HF tell me who I have to shoot pls. Shoot. Jar. Jar. But you wont will you? because you have no intention of that shot going off, although you do have one blast in mind. The person who the gun is aimed at when the "role block" happens is the one who looks like scum. Thats why you'll point it at everybody and anybody but him. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:53 geript wrote: Damn I really feel like my townreads are spot on. Like really spot on. Sorry Moc, you know I like you. I sincerely hope your wrong about every last thing in this game ( : | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:19 Vivax wrote: Well I won't announce who I will be shooting, so scum will have to gamble. Either I hit a townie and give them an extra KP or I hit one of them. They can probably think about my possible targets though. How convenient. | ||
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On March 01 2014 00:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: more similairities between this game GSL The situations are totally different. Gsl, we had already had a mislynch AND TWO MODKILLS. All I needed was one more kill and town was at lylo, so I went all in. Here though? Gf was killed day 1, partly by my hand. Say I yolo and get you killed, where does that leave me as scum? I still need at least 2 more mislynches, even if Vivax is actually vig and misfires. Whats wrong Jar, this used to be kinda fun, your slipping ( : | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Except you. You absolutely could not have saved suki because you had to vote your scumread and sure as heck couldn't vote for Moc. like Ang called moc and suki both scummy earlier so it wouldn't have been that suspicious. And no one else had a super town read on moc like you claimed to have. So when you say "Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt" what you mean is "Any one of the five people except me could have saved thier gf and didnt" I WOULD HAVE KEPT MY VOTE ON YOU. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Except you. You absolutely could not have saved suki because you had to vote your scumread and sure as heck couldn't vote for Moc. like Ang called moc and suki both scummy earlier so it wouldn't have been that suspicious. And no one else had a super town read on moc like you claimed to have. So when you say "Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt" what you mean is "Any one of the five people except me could have saved thier gf and didnt" Also, the whole reason I was in such a position is because I sheeped moc at the start (confirmed townie) and fought Suki from the very first hours of the game(confirmed scum). I could have saved her if she was my gf at any time by simply not being an twat. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:24 Vivax wrote: Gum, JJD just brought up a strong point which illustrates why you brought yourself into a situation where you could only bus if you are scum. Point 1: I would have had to have put myself in that position in the first place. Why would I do that as scum? Point 2: "Ok guys, Jar is scum, I gotta go now, wont be in time for lynch, but trust me, just vote him" | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:24 Vivax wrote: Gum, JJD just brought up a strong point which illustrates why you brought yourself into a situation where you could only bus if you are scum. Vivax, if you are town (which your not) I want you to take a deep breath and realize you are sheeping Jar Jar of all people. Someone Suki lauded with praise. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:29 Vivax wrote: You "slipped" in the post that Moc was like confirmed town in your opinion (intentionally or not). Hence closed the door for a lynch on him. Point 2 would have made you look shitty cause you had suki in your scumreads previously but would have left your vote where it didn't matter. Jar Jar was more so a scum read of mie. If geript can vote his read and leave, why cant I? Besides I could have left at a time suki only had 2-3 votes, thereby exonerating myself. The point is, so long as I had decent options, they were all better than lynching my Gf. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:30 geript wrote: Don't worry gummybear, I got your back. Vivax if you shoot my gummybear then I swear I will lynch you for funsies. : D Apreciate it, but if two shots go off tonight, were not lynching Vivax even if he claims scum once every hour for the rest of the game. | ||
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On March 01 2014 01:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: Chyz. Case here:+ Show Spoiler + On March 01 2014 00:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline. Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do. And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta. Lol, you are nothing if not consistent Jar Jar. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote: that is a terrrrrribbbbbleeeeeeeee time to claim wtf??? Role blocker is dead, I'm never getting shot ever. I tried baiting last night but it didn't work, so no point holding onto this. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:46 Cavalinho wrote: Also, I love how he completely ignores what rayn was saying before about the most likely busser being him. Who me? I'm third on the list, | ||
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On March 02 2014 00:14 WaveofShadow wrote: You DO know we're not lynching gumshoe next though, right? So if not him, who? Cav probes ) : I've been thinking about toads dt check on him, it would make little sense if cav was town. scum needs to be able to make mislynches happen then go woops my bad, best thing think the cav read gives him is a 1 for 1 cause we'd just immediately kill him after cav and we still would get two more mislynches even if Vivax had hit a townie. If cav is his buddy though, green read might help them out a bit, because the prescence of a god father supports a dt claim. After that Geript I guess, he was also someone that was firmly in mocs camp and was therefore not in a position to hammer Moc. But at the same time He didn't switch onto Suki which would have helped save Moc, one of his Main town reads. Why was that Geript? We're you that confident that Moc wasn't getting lynched that you felt is was more prudent to make a silly statement( that turned out scarily warranted XD but that's not the point) then save a town read? | ||
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On March 02 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why is gumshoe talking about who to lynch after my flip? I'm 100% scum according to him. Because people are playing the game and that's what I want to do as well. I want to play, not tell people to shut the fuck up cause your scum and we win every other hour before going afk. Maybe it's the right play to appear resolute, but this isn't politics, it's an online mafia forum and I find further playing of actual mafia more enjoyable then gloating about how right I am. As for you, you yourself admitted I "set you up good" say we don't lynch you, we lynch cava, or me and either of us flips green, do we come back and lynch you? Do we move on? Suddenly town gets split because we left such a huge question mark on the board. Do you disagree? | ||
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On March 02 2014 01:18 Vivax wrote: But really???Scum posting this stuff when they face defeat in the face? Must be pro scum. Scum know what we want to hear. They will say that, we dont consider people town for thier disposition, but for thier actions. Talk is cheap. I mean, here we are picking people other than jar jar, we cant say that scum would gg in this situation because were helping them. As for the people on Suki, we shouldnt even dream of lynching them atm, because scum will for us. Lastly if anyones wavering on Jar, theres virtually nothing in toads filter on him and this is what Jar had to say about toad at the start. Also I think toads explanation for his townread on rayn makes plenty of sense and isn't scummy @ all. This is what he said on Suki. K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]" Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful. In both scenarios, jar picks out an engagement and favours scum / : using a similar tone to boot. Sooo can we please lynch him first? I mean cav could be scum but I'm still pretty confident in Jar, I mean letting the shot go through, shooting rayn instead of vivax (who is now confirmed town). The schemes seem right up jar jar's ally T_T. I mean why kill Rayn unless someone was trying to make me look bad? | ||
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On March 02 2014 05:02 Vivax wrote: Nah not lynching JJD cause if he's scum he's awesome and deserves another day. What 0_0 fuck that, if hes scum I caught him, if hes town hes was wrong about toad and suki, plus hes locked us into a death match and is not even considering that I'm town. Hes terrible as either faction and deserves to die. Any bit of successful manipulation he pulls off now is long over do. I dont wanna play this game another 72 hours T_T lets just end it. Jar is scum it makes all the sense. If he wants me to go all out on him and not consider any other possibility I will do just that. I WANNA KNOW WHATS IN THE JAR. | ||
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On March 02 2014 05:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Pretty sure U'r the one who has us locked in a death match. I don't think I've ever called you 100% scum. But how else am I supposed to read you when you act like your completely sure that I scum? I just read your confidence exactly how it was in GSL. Why you gotta make this difficult Jar Jar T_T I'm tired man, cant you just go to sleep for the next 30 hours or so? | ||
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On March 02 2014 05:58 Vivax wrote: Conclusion after reading the stuff happening at deadline is that Cava and Chyz look equally bad. Chyz for saying suki is a candidate for his vote, but not Moc and then doing jack to get that opinion through when the suki lynch was at danger. Cava for voting her while hard-defending her at the same time, cause his townreads voted her. JarJar didn't do anything to influence what was happening at that point, but I'm not even sure if he was around at deadline. But he had a pretty strong townread on her and a scumread on Moc. JJD have you been around @ deadline? Anyway we lynch these three and we hit scum, no question. Basically what HF has been saying all the time, but I wouldn't be Vivax if I hadn't been trying to question even that. I appreciate anything you have to say ever ( : you are confirmed townie, your word is a beacon of hope. | ||
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On March 02 2014 02:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: Oh really Vet? Oh I missed this XD easy question to answer. Say Vivax does shoot me, then we get no mishots and we have too confirmed townies, I was just trying to bait his shot. I was also trying to imply that I was blue via my confidence that Vivax's shot wouldnt go off, in hopes scum would shoot me minus an rb. To be honest, I really doubted VIvax's claim ) : I was vet, I thought there was a cop cause of the god father and 3 blues(one bieng vig, another dt) seems really op for 10/3. Basically getting shot was win win, just so long as I wasnt role blocked, which is why I couldnt just come out and say I was vet. With Vivax's shot gone, the rber dead, and scum basically trying to use me as thier endgame mislynch, there was no reason not to claim. So I did, because unless theres a reason not to I am always as transparent as possible when town. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:43 geript wrote: No. It's not nothing which I caught Toad on. Here's how it went: Toad: All millers should claim. Rayn: Toad are you a miller? Toad: No, but I like the question. Easiest townread ever. Rayn: You're town too. Geript: WTF? Toad totes scum. Toad: Explain or die. Geript: No that's a bullshit townread. Toad: No it's not. Geript: Explain it then. Toad: Rayn would've pushed me as scum once I town read him, blah blah blah other stuff that happened after I townread him. Geript: No that's complete BS. All of those reasons for calling him town are based on things which happened AFTER you townread him. That's complete BS. Like that's such obv scum because Toad's pulling reasons for Rayn to be town out of his ass instead of actually having a reason. Im sorry Geript, I'm not as awesome as you T_T I dont see the pattern, but whateves, games gonna end long before your on the table. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:44 geript wrote: Hmmm didn't HF claim vet or am I going crazy? Your crazy O_O that was always me. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote: That's like, the whole point. There was 15 minutes left in the day. Suki had SIX people voting for her and Moc had THREE. @ that point of course ur gonna be all like "Yo suki is scum, I'd totes lynch her" But then when votes started switching and they were TIED in votes, you didn't try to make sure she got lynched like u said u would. Suki would not bus Chyz in the midst of day 1. Your argument is invalid, Chyz is not mafia. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why did you claim? Because there was no reason not to. Rb is dead, I know for a fact scum wont shoot me because they NEED me to get mislynched. If I can afford to be transparent I always will be. | ||
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On March 02 2014 12:07 Cavalinho wrote: No, it was totally answered. Go filter dive and stop wasting my time. I wasn't asking a question, was just speaking rhetorically : P | ||
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On March 02 2014 16:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: you're contridicting yourself NOW they won't shoot me, I was trying to crumb blue night one by implying I knew Vivax wasn't vig( via knowledge of my own role) at the same time I wouldn't mind getting shot by Vivax cause double confirmed. That's why I didn't claim night 1. but because rayn was shot, it implies they're trying to make me look bad and need me to get a mislynch, and vigs shot is gone so my bullet ain't coming from there either. I would not reveal my role if I was not confident that it would have more use as a claim then as a power. like how rayn revealed parity cop d1 in a game we recently played because the likelihood of it getting as much value as the claim itself was minimal.Oh and your nitpicking shit that doesn't matter again cause "look guys, an inconsistency this guy has to be scum!" | ||
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On March 02 2014 16:36 Cavalinho wrote: No, I actually really want to revisit this. What is the purpose of this statement if you're being rhetorical? It seems like the whole purpose behind it is to open up the possibility of more lynches. The whole purpose behind it is to close a lynch. Chyz is 100 percent town. You are not. I do not need to open up your lynch. It is a book sprung open for all to see going on days now. As for Geript, I retract my statement, he too is 100 percent town because he is defending people, you and jar jar have been doing nothing but trying to throw the lynch off of yourselves. Which is what scum need to do, to clear anyone in this situation is disadvantageous to them especially cause there's no one left in the game they want to defend. Geript defending jar jar and still wanting longer days makes no sense if he's scum, because both hurt his odds of back to back mislynches. Sorry I ever doubted you Geript ) : your just really good at this game XD. As for you cav, it's this simple, mafia went all out to save their gf, you and jar were on Moc, your both going to die if that's what it takes, we are going to win. | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:35 Cavalinho wrote: And for the record, JJD fits your own desription of what mafia is. He's pushing on both you and TheChyz, who is, by your own admission, 100% town. THAT IS WHY I AM VOTING HIM CURRENTLY. One of you is scum. GGGGGG. | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:33 Cavalinho wrote: Okay. Then why would you make a rhetorical statement doubting someone that's 100% town? Because he hasn't been defending Jar that long, it clicked recently. Keep asking pointless questions, see where it gets you. | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:50 JarJarDrinks wrote: What do you mean NOW they wont shoot you? Why would they have shot you last light but not tonight? A) I crumbed blue last night based off my knowledge that Vivax isn't vig. Vivax's shot proves I'm full of it, making a shot on me less likely, b) They shot Rayn, the guy who said I'm "scary" and they prioritised him over Vivax, who is now confirmed town, which means they are trying to throw suspicion onto me. C) They NEED mislynches, my mislynch is a requirement for thier win now. They will never shoot me. This is my thought process, if you cant see it thats purely because you refuse not to. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: If you believe that vivax might have shot you then don't you think he would have been roleblocked if I was scum? Cause if you get shot, I'm obviously the next lynch. I still haven't seen one good reason why they let the vig shoot that could possibly mean I'm scum. What 0_o What does my alignment have to do with yours? Jar Jar, we could both be town, it's possible, I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before (see basterd mafia.). The fact that you honestly bilieve that one of us HAS to be scum is revealing. Besides, you were likely to get lynched today anyways XD you dont need my flip for that. Also, are you actually fighting my honest motivation with your hypothetical scum one? I thought you were desperate before but this takes the cake. As for the vig shot, it's simple, when your in a bad spot, you have to take a risk to win, scum NEEDED that shot to hit a townie, it didn't, end of story. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's dumb to think you're scum for the same reason it's dumb to think I am. I can't image an entire scum team piling their votes up together. I think there's either 1 bus on the suki wagon or Chyz is scum cause of reasons already stated. Positioning might have not left them a choice, you said yourself, if I was scum, I wouldnt be able to switch onto moc to save suki because of the position I had taken, if scum were supporting Suki all game, the correct move was to stay consistent. That and the fact that the vote was 5 5 supports a scum pile on. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:26 JarJarDrinks wrote: WHAT!???? where am I implying that one of us has to be scum? You're the one who called me "100% scum" You're the one who said "If JJD flips green, lynch me next" /paraphrasing You're the one who refused to talk to me because you don't talk to scum" Please explain how I went from 100% scum where you say to lynch you if you're wrong to "I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before " The fact that you think my alignment (which is clear enough already) would make your lynch more likely, implies that from your perspective, one of us has to be scum. The reason I've been wavering is because cav looks pretty bad as well, toads dt read on him could have only been a green read, because a red read doesnt help him win the game. Its possible your town and hes scum, but I still think your my man XD | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: Gumshoe next after me ange please. Just everyone voting me promise to to reread gumshoe after my flip. ANd listen to rayn: Especially the part where rayn notes that gumshoe is already setting me up as sukis scumbuddy before the flip. WHY WOULD I SHOOT RAYN THEN. Good god Jar Jar T_T if your town your so bad at this game. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: This guy knows exactly what I'm gonna flip and is setting up the next mislynch. Reread posts like this after u all know my alignment. you asked a question, I answered. Just because I dont think my reads are infalible doesnt mean I'm trying to setup a mislynch thats likely to happen anways if I'm scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: Huh? Why would you shoot someone who is getting suspicious of you and is capable of leading the town against you? Is this a real fucking question? Because that fucking frames me, you leave the people who are accusing you alive to imply their scum. You yourself said my death would make you look bad T_T | ||
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On March 03 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: Rayn wasn't Fn scum cmon. And really it frames you? How's that working out? How many votes do you have? Rayn wasn't screaming to high heavens that you were scum. He was just starting to suspect you. So when he dies, that makes me looks good? No, the bloody opposite, it's just this town isnt stupid enough to think I'd shoot someone who starts accusing me. | ||
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Cuz I'm running out of alternatives for ppl being scum. I'm basically at gum, geript, Toad, JJD atm and I explained why JJD is somewhat unlikely. The one you want me to touch upon is that I think JJD wouldn't go all out and simply call her town when being poked for it Gumshoe I'm not scum and if you didn't realize it by now regardless of the claim then I fear that your JJD read is equally bad Gum, JJD just brought up a strong point which illustrates why you brought yourself into a situation where you could only bus if you are scum. If anything, Vivax was more likely to shoot me (which is exactly what I wanted) rather then Jar Jar. It was a pretty safe bet for him to let the shot go through. | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:01 JarJarDrinks wrote: Whaaa....? What about Moc? And Me? And Suki? Did you forget your persona this game and think you were town for a second? Shut the fuck up XD I've had nam flash backs concerning Basterd mafia, its shook my faith, but your doing a good job keeping me resolved : P | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:14 Ange777 wrote: He didn't rule him out completely but posted the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=444078¤tpage=97#1932 Ange, if you were scum, do you think Vivax would shoot you going by that post? | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:19 JarJarDrinks wrote: I actually didn't realize vivax was that sure of me. Good shit vivax, ur an intelligent player. But I just realized, unless my math is off. We get 4 lynches not 3. So I don't really care much cause no way gumshoe makes it to endgame. yesssssss, goooooood sleep now sweet prince ( : you've fought long and hard enough. Let the current carry you away to scum heaven :D | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:26 Ange777 wrote: You mean the post where Vivax attacked me? No, I assumed he was faking more scum reads to enlarge the range of possible targets for scum. I know my play this game hasn't been overwhelming but I think it's quite clear that I am town and I do think that Vivax has a town read on me as well. If you do mean the post I linked, I definitely wouldn't have assumed he might shoot me because he didn't even mention me at all. I meant if you were Jar Jar XD | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:29 Ange777 wrote: Oh :D Ehm ... no, I don't think he'd shoot me if I were JJD. There ya go. | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:45 Cavalinho wrote: Vivax, did you ever actually consider shooting gumshoe during night 1? Why are you asking him? Go filter dive like I did, make your own shit cases. | ||
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On March 03 2014 02:50 Cavalinho wrote: Actually, I just filter dived. Gumshoe wasn't baiting shit, he was pushing for JJD to be shot all night long. Look at these qoutes, they imply 2 things, 1) I know Vivax's shot wont go off, 2) That I dont bilieve his claim. Also, It's super easy for Vivax to have long heart felt arguments over who to shoot tonight that make him look townie if he knows for a fact that no such shot will go off. Personally I feel we should stop indulging him, Vivax, your a smart guy, shoot whoever you think is scum, if your actually vig I will whole heartedly support your choice, whatever it is. That leaves Cavalinho, Jar and Vivax. Theres two scum out of these three. probs vivax and jar. he didnt just claim blue, he claimed vig, the only roll capable of proving its loyalty, it's like someone getting away with murder because they claim they're the second coming of christ and therefore they can do no wrong. Sadly I doubt any hopeful lepers will be cured this game. Isnt that key? You dont want to kill me out of the blue? But you do wanna kill me dont you XD Of course I'd vote Vivax, because hes scum XD his claim is disgustingly convenient. You know what, I've called everything else in this game so far so why not, calling it now, Vivax's shot will not go off, because there is no shot. What am I willing to bet? My life of course. Take careful aim "Vig". Shoot. Jar. Jar. But you wont will you? because you have no intention of that shot going off, although you do have one blast in mind. The person who the gun is aimed at when the "role block" happens is the one who looks like scum. Thats why you'll point it at everybody and anybody but him. I heavily antagonized him and implied I was scum by saying I knew he was getting rbed 0_0 no I didnt say "lynch me", thats way too fuckin obvius, but I clearly baited the shot. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote: If all three flip green we lynch geript, I just said he was town cause of the post where it looked like he actually did care who got lynched first and meant it but I can't get it out of my head that the thing between him and Toad was a D1 bus to shit up the thread, with arguments unconvincing enough to not get that far. We need to stop talking about who were going to lynch after. Both cav and Jar have been exploiting these discussions to sow preemtive dissent. Thats how they've been playing all of day 2, making us promise to lynch x after them and causing fights between us that way. Today should be between the two of them, who we lynch day 3 is a matter meant for day 3. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:22 Cavalinho wrote: Okay. So I guess that earlier comment you made about questioning geript is totally fine and dandy. Just gonna sweep that under the rug. Okay. I'm asking us to stop now that I realized it's hurting us, as I said, I'm totally willing to change stances to what benefits town most. Right now infighting between effectively confirmed townies is not beneficial. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:23 Vivax wrote: The guy we should lynch is TheChyz, suki made a case on him, made a part 2 when asked why she didn't keep pressuring him, and abandoned him when thread sentiment started switching towards me after WoS case she +1d. Mocsta also mentioned something about suki filling in the gaps for him but I'm trying to find that part. I just shot scum, allow me to try and achieve a streak and sheep me pls ^^ Screw you man, I wanna be right about Jar Jar XD | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:22 TheChyz wrote: Gumshoe, just out of curiosity why did you claim when you did? Don't you think it would have been better to just not claim and wait for scum to shoot you and therefore your 100% confirmed town and scum wastes a shot. And even if you are about to have been lynch you could have just blue claimed and you would basically not be able to get lynched. Just the timing of your claim with regards to the role you have is strange. Also at this point we can't really confirm it cause the only way is for scum to shoot you (which they wont) so its safe to assume your going to be alive all game long. May be just me being paranoid but that could be a good cover up as scum. Anyway, just wanna know why you felt compelled to claim so early when you didn't need to? When a role no longer has any power, that is the time to claim it, I tried my dammed hardest to get shot night 1, but when that fell through and scum shot rayn, it clearly implied that they needed to mislynch me. Holy, Vivax wos ange. All shots infinitly better than me that can all happen before we get to 2/1. My only goal now is to lynch scum before a mislynch on me comes to fruition, the claim helps me with this. More importantly, I've said it before I'll say it over and over. You are the one arguing the harder ground, tell me why my claim means I am scum, if you cant think of anything, stop pushing me. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:35 Vivax wrote: If you don't vote TheChyz I will dispose of GRRM before he can finish game of thrones. NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT THE FAT MAAAAN t_t | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:21 Cavalinho wrote: That doesn't actually make any sense. You would rather the shot be on you, a confirmed townie from your own point of view, over someone you perceive to be scum. YES BECAUSE THEN I AM A SHOT VT AND HE IS A FIRED VIG. We are two confirmed townies who the previus day and night were both suspect, which is infinitely preferable to a mishot townie. Yes it's ideal if hes lucky and kills scum, but second best is scum letting his shot through, and me being confirmed along with him. It makes complete bloody sense. But you know what, I dont expect you to understand, your not a vet, in fact most likely the opposite. | ||
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On March 03 2014 04:32 Cavalinho wrote: We are not trying to clear people. We are trying to find scum. That is the entire purpose of this game. solving the game helps catch scum, knowing for a fact whose town in no way hurts. In fact, in this situation, the person who purely scum hunts is likely scum, because it's in thier interest to keep as many people suspect as possible and they have no one left they want to protect. Also, you telling me how to play the game implies I'm a newb, I'm fine if you wanna say that, but then why are we having this conversation? Tell me why my wanting to clear two townies and prevent a mishot makes me scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 05:08 Cavalinho wrote: At this point, we're just arguing semantics instead of trying to win. I do think that killing a scum is better than confirming a player, but that's beside the point. I stand by the fact that JJD is our best kill right now. We both agree on that. Sounds great ( : | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:07 geript wrote: No. Lynch Cav first. Trust me. It's Cav. JJD is so town. Remember I townread you. I townread Moc. I townread Wave. The only person I didn't have an early townread on was HF but it's not worth considering him anytime soon. Same here, I town read Moc, scum read Suki, town read you eventually XD we can always come back to cav man, but a little faith please. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:46 geript wrote: No I'm right. It's Cav. Y u so bad gummybear. We shall see good sir, we shall see ( : | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:49 geript wrote: You should listen to this guy, he's really smart. Sheeping MVP is best play. : P | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:53 geript wrote: In case you're wondering that person is me. no me. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:55 geript wrote: No, you can't sheep yourself. I'm a trailblazer; HF is a trailblazer. I EAT TRAIL BLAZERS. YOUR MOVE. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:55 Vivax wrote: Actually I'll stick to my guns, don't care if others think JJD is a better lynch anymore. ##Unvote ##Vote TheChyz There IS a town explanation for what JJD did when voting, and it's simply when he genuinely thought suki was town. But I see no town explanation for the Chyz pushing cavalinho to vote Moc and saying that he would vote suki but not doing that. Then why not jump on the train himself? It would actually look better than what he did. I interpreted his pressure on Cav as more a way of calling cav out for bieng inconsistent. | ||
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After toads fake claim, I figured it was best I come out, especially because my role is extremely unlikley to be useful. Like, Vivax, I gave it my all yesterday, really wanted you to shoot me XD but scum clearly wants me to get mislynched, not shot, therefore my goal is to lynch scum before I get mishot. Claiming helps that, bieng a vet thats never getting shot and has to potentially counter another blue claim after the fact, does not. | ||
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We wont have two defensive roles. But if we had a doc or jail, they would have claimed by now, cause either im vet or scum. If that person claiming is anyone other than cav or jar, town wins. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:28 geript wrote: So Vivax... Since you know I'm town, why can't you just lynch Cav with me. Like the last time I yelled at people all day long and called someone scum he flipped scum. Like what will it take? A mislynch on Jar Jar. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:32 Vivax wrote: I still don't see the reason for you to claim with this. Saying you claim cause your role is unlikely to be useful just isn't true. You were among the first suki voters, I think you even suggested at some point that Toad could be scum but I didn't doublecheck so I might be wrong on this point. Anyway, to get to the point. If Rayn praises you in his conclusive post for being so much right, then why do you think is it so unlikely for you to get shot in the future and take away a NK from scum? I just can't wrap my head around that claim. Night 1, you were coming after me hard and rayn starts saying how "scary" I am, in that same post where he praises me. Then rayn gets shot, lending credence to his words against me, and you, one of my greatest antagonists, are allowed to live as a confirmed townie. Scum NEED to manufacture mislynches to win this game and I am that mislynch. Its not enough for them to take out threats, victory requires deft manipulaton, I bilieve scum are playing to win and therefore must assume that I am never getting shot. Scum have 4 more shots till lylo assuming we no lynch day 5, Those shots are you, holy, ange, and wos (where is he btw?) people who are never getting lynched. I dont fit ) : | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:51 geript wrote: Whatever guys... You guys suck. Thanks for ruining a perfect game. I'm out. Technically it's not a perfect game cause rayn died and moc rage quit. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:50 gumshoe wrote: In extractor trick mafia, Rayn claimed parity cop day 1 as town. His thought process was that the weight of the claim was more useful than the role itself. I whole heartedly believed that my claim was useless at the time of my reveal , if you wanna call it bad play, fine. I whole heartedly agree, terrible move, I am the absolute worst blue to ever blue. Now would you like to translate that into an accusation? Ebwop My role, not the claim XD | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:52 Holyflare wrote: the only thing your claim did was ensure my and other confirmed townies deaths so ty Your welcome ( : | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:53 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Cavalinho I'll sheep rippedboy for today. Sorry gum but that vet claim was a massive turnoff. OMGUS. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:53 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Cavalinho I'll sheep rippedboy for today. Sorry gum but that vet claim was a massive turnoff. This is such bullshit by the way, you go after me all night 1, call my jar jar read shit, then accuse me of making a misplay when I reveal vet because all a fucking sudden I'm a super threat. Let me ask you this, would jar jar or cav shoot me if they were scum? | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:58 geript wrote: No a perfect game is one where you only lynch scum. Like look at it this way, if Cav is scum then we all win. If we lynch Cav and he's town, then you get to mock the hell out of me for being awful until like the end of town. It's such a win-win scenario for you that it's irresistible. Like seriously, don't you want another reason to make fun of me? I dont want to make fun of you ) : does this cav lynch mean that much to you? | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:57 gumshoe wrote: This is such bullshit by the way, you go after me all night 1, call my jar jar read shit, then accuse me of making a misplay when I reveal vet because all a fucking sudden I'm a super threat. Let me ask you this, would jar jar or cav shoot me if they were scum? I mean, all a sudden the guy who says I look even worse after the suki flip is super confirmed town, and yet you have the utter audacity to imagine we live in a magical where scum kill thier one shot at a mislynch instead of holy?! You? Wos? Like wtf. Am I wrong here? | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote: Oh for fuck's sake. I'm a Parity Detective. Thanks guys. 0_o | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:05 geript wrote: LYNCH IT WITH FIRE GUIS!!!!!! LYNCH IT WITH FIRE!!!! Worst roleclaim ever... didn't even think of telling us who he checked. Total scumclaim. If hes parity cop he hasnt checked yet.... | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:05 geript wrote: LYNCH IT WITH FIRE GUIS!!!!!! LYNCH IT WITH FIRE!!!! Worst roleclaim ever... didn't even think of telling us who he checked. Total scumclaim. I mean, Geript, he dies tonight if hes town, or at the very least well have a read to work with. Rb is dead to, I'm willing to let him live for the same reason I let Vivax live. I mean Vivax's claim sounded super contrived when we heard it, but it turned out true. Why should we spare him and kill cav? Especially when rb is dead. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:08 Vivax wrote: I'd wager they'd shoot you after me for confirmed status, HF and WoS. Ange7 is taking zero leadership and mostly sheeping her townreads while providing some insight and asking question but she's nowhere near as involved as you. If I had to guess a lategame scenario it would be cavalinho Chyz/JJD/Ange7/JJD as remaining players. Yeaaaah, maybe you too. We can talk all day long how good or bad that vet claim was but your role's job was simply to get shot, and you threw it away. I'm not mad tho. Just means you'll get into lylo and that's not really a problem given how sharp you've been this game. If you're town, strictly speaking. This, that shread of doubt that drives you to add that maybe is exactly what scum needs to win this game, thoughts like that will nag town until this game is over. Comparatively, I doubt you feel that way about Geript, Holy and Wos. Thats how I know I'm not getting shot. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:11 Cavalinho wrote: Also gumshoe, I don't know why you made that wager. He already treats everything like a conspiracy theory. Hes town, we dont shit on town, so stop shitting on town. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:13 geript wrote: Plus... I'm not 100% on it, but you check your scum targets... Like he had a townread : on JJD then later on... Like No way in hell he's parity. Think of all the lulz you get if he flips town. Like how much mockery could you make of me for pushing and lynching blue. like come on dude. I dont wanna mock you T_T I only like mocking people for mislynching me XD lets just let his claim play out, there was a godfather so we may as well wait and see. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: Gumbro, you can't even imagine how much I'm paranoid. I even thought about WoS cause he's been absent all day, I thought about geript cause of Toad's trademark scumplay. Don't make yourself a victim now please. I treat everyone equally badly. I'm not a victim XD I'm just misunderstood, like gollum! ![[image loading]](http://bite-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/gollum.jpg) Dont hurt me Master ) : | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:21 TheChyz wrote: JJD seems like he will be modkilled from not voting anyway. Looks like he probably gave up. Will that make this a- | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:22 TheChyz wrote: I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch. Sooooo you? 0_0 Who are you proposing to lynch? I'm not killing confirmed townies. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm here. Please dont vote Cav. I'll vote myself before cav. Vote Chyz if anything (since I know gumshoe aint happpening today). | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: My very first post in the game: And there was more. read my filter. My turn: Why didnt you vote for suki? This is kinda how I feel about you right now Jar ) : I really hope your scum T_T | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: just kidding trolllolol ABANDON WAGON. | ||
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Anyways, here are the targets for the check. Me (sorry about that guys ) :, was really hoping for red) Geript (dude has uncanny star sense) Chyz (eh, still not feeling him as scum, but he wasnt on Suki so what can ya do.) | ||
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On March 03 2014 09:09 TheChyz wrote: Also cav, what is the point of wanting to lynch your target? You wanted him lynched before you told us you are cop. If you really are cop that what is the point of lynching your target? Save him for the next night phase so you can actually get a read on him and go after someone else. Makes no sense to me, what was your thought process of wanting to go with the JJD lynch. Looks like it only benefits you if you are scum and nothing else. You are a Parity Detective. During each night-phase you may submit the name of a player to the hosts. At the beginning of the next day you will be told whether their guilty/innocent status is the same or different to the last player checked. This means you will receive no information until Night 2. The first check doesn't go away. We know jars alignment, if he checks someone tonight and they come back diffrent, we know thier scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 09:13 Vivax wrote: Yeah would've been better to pick another target for lynch cause he could have cleared two at once. I actually thought of that earlier but then kinda thought it didn't matter cause he primed his check...But it actually does matter. Oh shit your right, fuck, goddamit, thats such a huge misplay T_T why did no one think about it? | ||
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On March 03 2014 09:15 gumshoe wrote: Oh shit your right, fuck, goddamit, thats such a huge misplay T_T why did no one think about it? Actually wait no, if scum was in danger of being revealed, they'd just shoot cav. Also cav could use a double check to mislead us, less room to do that when we know Jar Jars alignment. Yeah it's not the biggest deal. | ||
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On March 03 2014 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Vivax, I'm getting feels on scumshoe. Whaddya think? Same, even if hes town, dude fucked up hard. | ||
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Even if he flips town on day 4, hes already cleared two other people, people who scum probably would've wanted to take to lylo. But yeah, theres no reason to lynch him tomorrow no matter what he says, sorry Geript ) : | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:19 Cavalinho wrote: Okay. Now why is it that no matter what the scenario is, I wind up dead? You don't, catch scum in two checks and you live, | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:19 Cavalinho wrote: Okay. Now why is it that no matter what the scenario is, I wind up dead? The problem is, say we take you to Lylo, you've green checked all the way there, which is something scum could do easily, then you can just ride your claim to victory. | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:27 Cavalinho wrote: I'd argue against this, but frankly I'm probably going to die soon anyway. Only if your town ( : | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote: there's no gf left, if he's cop he'll die ~_~ this is a non-discussion A Man can dream can he not? None of us ever believed the vig shot was going through but scum certainly didn't disappoint then, who knows, maybe the last scummer is trying to unlock some kind of platinum achievement. | ||
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Requirements: Bus godfather day 1. let the vig shoot, shot must hit scum, make townie rage quit, orchestrate 4 back to back mislynches, let dt live and get as many checks as he likes, be the scummiest person at Lylo. Win game. Reward = title Title= Palmer and marv's incestuous love child. C'mon you magnificent scummer whoever you are, dt checks will just make for good sport, if you are a man shoot me instead! | ||
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On March 04 2014 05:36 geript wrote: Ange777 is a significantly, significantly better check. We should check whoever is going to be lynched tomorrow in order to prevent a mislynch. Unless we intend to lynch ange, chyz is the correct play. | ||
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On March 04 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote: Yeah ok if I die instead of you and you turn up with a green check on geript or gumshoe then you must die, cause those are the hardest to lynch tomorrow if you're scum and hence you'll keep yourself open the really scummy people to push, and you can't do that if you clear the really suspicious people. Wrong, we have two more mislynches before Lylo, if cav says someone is town, they literally Have to be town, because either he's dt or the last scum, so it's best to keep him alive till the second to last moment. The only thing we have to doubt is a red check and so long as we can lynch back to back that's not a problem. Btw, if we lynch miller, I'm going to assume cavs dt. | ||
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Perviously I was pretty certain chyz was town cause suki bussed him convincingly, but right now, either geript bussed toad, suki bussed chyz, or scum bussed suki, so no matter what were dealing with a bus. If we kill ange or wos, that still doesn't tell us what kind of bus were dealing with, whereas if we kill the remaining stragglers, we either win, or know for a fact what happened day 1. | ||
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On March 04 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Can someone remind me as to the reason people were saying it was impossible for Chyz to be scum? I thought it was impossible because Suki's whole case was on Chyz pretty much, but as I said, we are dealing with some kind of scum bus, so that argument goes out the window. | ||
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On March 04 2014 11:09 geript wrote: daily I want in XD give me das link | ||
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On March 04 2014 11:10 geript wrote: it just started ##Unvote ##Vote Geript | ||
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Vivax: Yeah, vote Moc pls. Ange: Told you why I voted suki insteand of Mocsta. A townie was literally begging her to save her own god father. Ange is an ice cold killa if shes actually maf. | ||
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On March 04 2014 11:15 geript wrote: Since you're not playing daily mafia, I want you to answer this: Why am I confirmed town? Your not. What you are is confirmed cute. Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Mafia is the name of the game, town can play mafia, they just cant be playing as mafia. | ||
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On March 04 2014 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote: If you think because mod would have said something in QT instead if you were mafia, this makes you confirmed town, and that's why you've been pushing it all game, I'm sorry but you have another thing coming. If that's not the reason, well I can honestly say I don't care what the reason is. You should know very well even in LXI where it was the biggest issue I have never considered 'mod-confirmed' to be a thing. I also don't know if that question was directed towards me, but I'm here and in a playing mood atm. I answered this, Geript said he was driving, mod cited the op "no playing mafia while driving" if you take this literally, geript cannot be considered mafia, only town. Because theres no ban on playing town while driving. | ||
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On March 04 2014 11:26 WaveofShadow wrote: That's definitely not it lol. Anyway this discussion is silly to begin with. I need to go back to looking at Chyz because I want to see if that earlier reason actually precludes him from being scum, because going into today I think he's probably the best choice. It really is, Geript: Driving. I thought you wanted me to post on the detunnel thing. Balla: Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Geript: Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks. | ||
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On March 04 2014 21:38 Vivax wrote: Guys let's lynch geript please. He refused to take a side in the D1 lynch. Sure, it would look shitty if he joined the wagon on Mocsta together with his scumread, but then why not join the one on suki. He did the same thing TheChyz did (and I only noticed just now) Read his filter, where does he urge me to shoot Toad? He said it's like JJD/Toad during the night, next day he gives him the super townread to push Cava. He has one post where he says Toad and Chyz can't be scum together, later asks for a check on him from Cava. Like, sure he can argue that he just changed his mind that easily over time, I do that too. But the thing about geript is that he doesn't express doubt about his reads. Like, he goes from "x has to be y" to "x has to be z" without really weighing in both sides. He makes decisions on how he should read people. ##Unvote ##Vote geript I'm with you, another thing to consider if we're dealing with a toad Geript scum team, it explains why they let the shot through, Geript wasn't likely to get shot, and toad clearly thought he wasn't going to be. But even if the shot goes through, because they bussed so hard, whichever one dies makes the other look great. Which is why they were probably not that scared of the bullet landing. Your totally right though about him suddenly lightening up on toad at night, he even states in passing that Sukis flip makes toad more likely to be town. In fact Geript, why did you thnk that? You never explained your reasoning. | ||
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On March 05 2014 03:19 geript wrote: First off, anyone who doesn't think I'm confirmed town should read Duke Nukem Hydra 2 to understand why I'm confirmed town. Holyflare, if you're town making this push then I'm going to get Marv to personally give you a spanking for reading me so badly; unfortunately I think you're town but at this piont I really don't care. Quite frankly, anywho who votes for me better say that i'm too damn good at this game which is why they think I can't be town. If you aren't willing to lynch me for being too good or too accurate then you can get off my nuts. Like I shouldn't even have to explain myself, but since you guys aren't as good as I am, I'll be more than happy to rock your worlds. I flat out didn't think suki was the type of player say that to a scum partner. I was wrong. So yah, I backed off of Toad some. I would like to make the following statement publically in my defense, "I'm sorry town for backing off on Toad. I apologize, I had my dick so deep inside him all day long that I just had to pull it out for a second so it could get some air. I'm so sorry that I wasn't able to convince you will all of my amazing reasonings so that we could have a scum v scum lynch. I really can't help you guys there but you guys should really play in the newbies more often. Getwrekt 4 life bitches!!!!" *stands leaning back arms crossed over chest trying to look like a thug but probably just looking like a cracker* As for the reasons why I didn't switch off Toad are pretty simple. Toad was my read; I didn't really like HF's reasoning for wanting to lynch suki; I didn't have a read on HF. I would've saved Mocsta only because I had a townread on him and I had nothing on suki and I prefer a lynch on not-town. Plus it didn't hurt that ryan didn't really give a whole lot for voting her so between HF's unreadable push and Rayn's vote I felt pretty confident that suki was an ok lynch. As for what HF said, you guys are stupid. The miller interaction was a great interaction to call bs on. You guys should've lynched him on that. Or like any of the other things I brought up. You guys are right. I was so goddamn right on Toad and you guys were so goddamn useless in saying that he's totes town. Next time I will spend more time on how how goddamn right and amazing I am and challenged everyone else is not to see it. So yah, I'm bad for not having a scumread on Suki. I'll take that. But if you guys lynch me for being too right on toad and too right on my reads on Mocsta, JJD, Rayn, gumshoe, Vivax at least two of The Chyz/Ange/WoS. And being so goddamn right on them D1 (JJD might have been a N1 thing to be fair but I count it and you guys were bad sheep for not listenting to me when I was calling him town), then you know I will happily be lynched for that shit. Because that's the funniest shit ever and I'll get the best fun in postgame. Sorry Geript, if your town your too good, we must be as brutus was to caesar ) : In general I dont like how Geript preys on emotions to sway us, like when he was pushing us to lynch cav "cmon guys, ill look like an idiot if he flips town" or how now hes saying "lol please lynch me for bieng too good". Geript, your non game related incentives dont do much to convince me your town ) : and niether do your apologies. You pushed toad in such a manner that he was never getting lynched, then when night rolls around and all you have to do is beg Vivax to make your dream come true, instead you basically back off toad all together. Isa too convenient. Another scary thought is this. LYNCH IT WITH FIRE GUIS!!!!!! LYNCH IT WITH FIRE!!!! Worst roleclaim ever... didn't even think of telling us who he checked. Total scumclaim. After cav claimed, geript wanted to lynch him even more 0_0 which is insane considering vivax did the same thing yesterday and was able to prove his alignment over night, thereby gaining town a confirmed townie and a shot mafia, why the hell wouldn't a townie want cav to get a read? Welp, if Geript isnt town, just now he had to waste one of his last shots killing someone who looked scummy as hell before the claim. If we had to let one person go to lylo of the people not on suki, between geript, cav, chyz and jar, who would it be? Geript obviously, having to shoot cav must have really sucked. | ||
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On March 05 2014 04:20 geript wrote: No. Vivax was really towny based on meta. Like as town, he uses really weird and crazy reasonings that are often so off base. That's something that's really hard to explain. Plus, how the Vivax claim came out was really, really different. Cav's claim was really different; Cav's timing for his claim was fine it's just how it was done was really really scummy. I don't blue hunt so it's really easy for me to get red/blue mixed up. The reason why I should've gotten off of Cav is something I should've known and something that we talked about on daily mafia last night; newbies rarely fake claim, like their claims are almost always true. I had him read as an uncomfortable new player; me not taking into account the new player aspect of that was bad of me. I was just too tunneled in on being right to actually correctly evaluate that read. Is ok gummy bear, I still think you're town. Why won't you just be in my pocket cause I'm so goddamn cute? I still think im town too ) : and I wish I could feel the same way about you man, I'm not saying your explanations are bad, it's just that they are exactly that, explanations for some pretty sketchy deeds, at this point it's becoming more and more apparent that the last scummer is playing a pretty ruthless game and "woops made a bad read" just isn't going to cut it anymore. | ||
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On March 05 2014 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Unless, you know, Chyz. Hes not going anywhere / : | ||
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On March 05 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote: As in, we're not lynching him today? Or literally? Also gumshoe, do YOU want to explain our early interaction to geript? I think I exhausted myself trying to get it through rayn's thick skull at the time. As in we still have one more mislynch after todays, so if hes scum he wont get far and I really dont want to go to lylo with him if it comes to that. I had no issue with our interaction, I've had similar bouts between xatalos as well because I can be a frustrating prospect going into a game. Honestly if I'm not getting immediately pressured or called out for inactivity somethings probably wrong / : | ||
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On March 06 2014 08:27 TheChyz wrote: This whole thing is annoying now. Like ange martyring just because she was under a bit of pressure is really weird. It seems like a very noobie thing (something that I might do) since it just seems more like lazyness of not wanting to play instead of actually trying to help town. But on the flip side geript has been disrupting town with his stupid posts. I really dunno if geript is a better lynch than ange but either way, both are just becoming a liability towards town. However I will keep my vote on geript just because I still think that he's the more scummy of the 2 and also much more disruptive to town. Ange hasnt had the time to play all game, her wanting an easy out fits perfectly. | ||
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Holy. Not lynching this guy period. Wos. Not lynching this guy either. We may as well just vote tomorrow, cause be it then or at lylo, I'm voting Chyz. Some thoughts, when Suki made her case on chyz, there were already several scum reads and votes on him. Mocsta also remained her primary read, which means if he flipped green, that would give her a great excuse to revaluate her reads. Oh and heres how Suki regarded toad. I didn't really understand why toad and rayn called each other town, but it didn't strike me as completely odd. Certainly not scummy. I wish I had time to read Mocsta's response to me and also this thing with geript/toad. Highly neutral evasive tone. Heres how toad regarded suki. I'll look into vivax and suki like I said yesterday but all this came up first and I'm out with my dog now... sooo see you in 2 hours or so. The one thing I like the most about the case is probably the "shitting on townatmosphere" thing and I really don't understand that at all. Same goes for suki and Cavalinho as my f5 skills seem to indicate. So yeah I'd much rather lynch geript or Mocsta today. On to rereading that situation from earlier today. Again very neutral, with the potential to develop the read either way. Lastly, heres how toad regards chyz Read as in, make a read on him. Him being mafia and you being mafia is a contradiction to me. The only thing I've got on him is that he's maybe soft-calling me town, while you claimed mafia in the thread, so yes I'm ignoring him for now. Eerily similar to how he approaches Suki, no? and in his chart he has chyz firmly at neutral, thats all the mention he makes of him. As for Chyz himself, his early attack on Geript can be seen as an indirect defense of toad and although he somewhat reciprocated Sukis animosity he too had someone(Geript) to act as vote buffer between them(just as suki had Moc). Vivax would probably be my vote if geript wasn't in this game. Maybe tied with suki but I would have to reread his and her filter closer to see exactly who I prefer. Sure enough, come lynch neither of them are voting for each other, even though chyz pretty much said he would. Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will We were in a very volatile situation, one in which Mocsta, who was almost completely off of Chyz's radar, might get lynched in favour of someone Chyz had just about openly condemned. And we know for a fact he was there around hammer cause he was posting right up until the flip(he was certainly there when the vote reached 5,5, and yet he did nothing about it) As for why Chyz didnt outright save his gf, it's actually a good thing he didnt, had he done so town would have agreed to lynch him and Suki so fast Vivax wouldnt have even gotten the chance to fire his gun. | ||
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Vivax can shoot Toad tonight for all I care. You've played well today and yes there's no reason you shouldn't be included in the big fuzzy town circle. it doesn't mean your D1 was productive even IF Toad was scum. Part of playing the game is trying to assure that people listen to you (and for whatever reason, it appears to be more difficult for certain people than others). Ignoring town requests and acting annoying and stubborn doesn't award you any points even if you caught the entire scumteam 1h into the game. Yes, I admit I may very well have been wrong about Toad (and I think I admitted that earlier) especially considering his activity or lack thereof today, and I will look into him. One thing that I should mention is this awful martyring is likely to come from town, though it's probably also important to consider Toad has done exactly this same thing as town in a recent game (forget which one, think it was BttB?) where Rayn was involved so I can't see any reason to think it could be on purpose as well. I also share the view that it's extremely silly of Toad to think saccing himself will get you lynched. Why would wos outright attack his scum buddy for a plan they both probably came up with together, and then proceed to let the shot through? The answer is he doesnt, because hes town. | ||
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On March 07 2014 10:05 Holyflare wrote: Gonna hardcore filter dive the both of them to make sure first. Gg vivax :/ I want you to watch for how steadily Wos's reads develop, like theres no jolts, it's uncanny. If hes scum all I gots to say is thats some damm fine play. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sad that apparently you mind losing to me but I don't mind losing to you. (Well I don't want to lose, but still.) Can we both agree we don't want to lose to gumshoe? Hey I've earned this win if im scum : P for me, the key things to keep in mind with Chyz is 1)suki made her case on him long after the thread started tearing him apart 2) they both had convinient buffer votes, so that they wouldnt have to follow through with thier threats. 3)Toad declined to talk about chyz, and had him firmly at null, similar to how suki aproached toad and toad aproached suki. I've learned my lesson, this scum team have only been willing to buddy townies. My gut read reading Jar Jar is that he is town. I have other people who I want to look at first before him, those reads are coming up. This comes out of Suki, she hard defends jar jar, so that he looks bad when she falls, or vice versa. Wos, I dont know if you realized this but toad and suki have done much the same with you. Suki I like Wave's case on Vivax and it was one of the ones that stood out to me when I was rereading the thread. I have a strong townread on Wave and I'd be willing to sheep him on Vivax. Toad honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color. As for what this scum team is thinking, its pretty simple, toad looks townie by fighting with geript always and forever, chyz and suki fight but always have one scum read ahead so that they never need to vote for one another, otherwise they dodge questions about eachother and green read obvius townies. Oh and Toad/chyz felt the shot literally HAD to hit town if scum wanted to win. The end. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Reading through his filter he mentions toad I think once? And he only talks about suki right near the end of the day. Almost all of his cases/points/discussions are around townies he finds scummy (which technically would be similar of a lot of people, me included). I'm actually not sure he gives anyone a townread at all all game though.... Re-re-reading. The key thing is that he yolos onto Geript almost all of day 1, that way he indirectly defends toad and avoids voting for suki. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope nvm I'm wrong. He calls me and Toad town real early. No explanation why though. Then calls Cav towny and then this: Does that post come from scum? If so, how? Because scum shoot cav and then we still have to deal with Jar Jar. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript did the same thing, except his vote was on scum. So? Chyz's vote has him indirectly defending scum, advocating a mislynch, and allows him to avoid putting a vote on his gf. Context is everything. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:49 WaveofShadow wrote: To be fair, suki and Toad HAD to find me townie as shit because I was. The only people who ever disagreed with that all game are Rayn (because he calls me scum every game, we fight and then he either believes me or doesn't), Geript (because his meta/behaviour reads of me are terrible), and Vivax (??? but he had to take his vote off me eventually). Suki's never played a game with me so it's doubtful to me that she would want to take me on considering how strongly I played D1. Toad knows I will call him out for bullshit directed at me from Shadow Game (even though we didn't lynch him in the end, I had the right idea to start and I would assume he had no reason to want attention from me---he chose Geript instead who he hasn't really played with and chose poorly there as well because he got the same thing). Problem is here giving me a townread would be exactly what HF OR Chyz would do here as well. HF knows I can be manipulated (ie VE) and Chyz for the same reasons as suki. Im sorry wos, your not convincing me that your scum right now, its just not working ) : try to be more persuasive. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote: That's my point. Scum doesn't want to be caught YOLO advocating a mislynch, especially one that he's unlikely to get. Its even better if hes unlikely to get it, that way hes never proven wrong. He can keep pushing the guy and sound like a useless townie, but a townie nonetheless and he can keep doing that all game, which he pretty much has. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote: lulz. I'm just trying to pinpoint exactly WHY, if Chyz is the final scum we didn't see it much earlier. I feel like it's kinda rare for any scum to go fooling an entire thread all game. Does marv in Shadow game count? Mebbe he does. Also me in Les Mafia probs. Hmm. Is he mimicking his towngame? Because until now there were better answers like cav, jar jar, geript, all of which are dead now XD At the start, I figured suki bussing Chyz was the end of it, no way they were scum together, but now that were faced with a bus of some sort, I realize suki wasnt bussing chyz at all, the two of them never intended to vote one another so long as they had a choice and they didn't have to. Chyz was also not in a position to save suki, as he had called her out as a prime choice for his vote earlier and displayed no animosity towards mocsta. This in conjunction with Toads attitude twoards Chyz, leads me to bilieve that he is indeed our answer. On top of that, you and holy in thread right now actively solving the game contradicts the very notion that either of you are scum. | ||
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On March 07 2014 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree. Having a YOLOvote looks awful, and for good reason. LOL go look at the votes here in Survivor Series. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/442512-survivor-series-mafia?page=119#2361 THREE PEOPLE had YOLOvotes that day AND WE WERE ALL SCUM. Were you all lynched for it? Was Geript lynched for it this game? I understand it looks bad to you, but it didnt look bad to me and clearly town agreed because we just started seriously considering a lynch on the yolo voters yesterday. | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:07 WaveofShadow wrote: We should have been. Keirathi was the only one, and it wasn't for that. Like we all agreed on Skype that our votes that day were absolutely fucking retarded. The YOLOvotes have been going through my head specifically for that reason, so maybe you're right that it's only in my head but you should understand that I also did voting analysis in Shadow game along these lines and was completely right (again, not that I followed it properly as the game progressed). If it's true that I'm one of the only people (if not the only one) in this game who recognizes these kinds of votes to come from scum immediately (at least most of the time, apparently) then we should have lynched geript and Chyz for it ages ago agree, but upon reading the two of them I found both pretty towny. Geript more so than Chyz initially. Well then youve answered you own question, town is not a policy set arm of the law, it is a collection of nerds who want to be logical heros. They're not going to always make the correct plays because they want to make the awesome ones. Which is why obvius shit like ninja voting and yolo voting can be overlooked, also chyz has noobie meta going for him so the move isnt really that bad. | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote: Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered Im sorry if youve been asked this before, but why didnt you switch your vote off of geript when we were at 5 5? 2) When you asked that we should lynch someone else cause jar jar was getting modkilled, who did you think we would lynch had we followed your advice? | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:07 TheChyz wrote: Ok I just got back, do you mind each asking what questions you want answered from me since there seems like alot but not sure if you still need them answered Last question, you didn't feel the need to discuss night actions with us at all, why? | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:22 TheChyz wrote: Honestly I just didn't like geript's attitude and it was in spite of him. As mentioned many times before I was around deadline so any I would have been able to vote last minute. Honestly I kinda regret it cause that is what everybody starts a case on me with, is that stupid early voting stuff day 1 and other than that nobody really says anything else unless they are grabbing for things from thin air. I took back my statement because we had something like 30-ish minutes left. And to get town to cooperate in a hectic time frame like that just didn't seem likely. I would have rather gone with a lynch that we talked about for many hours than something cooked up in under an hour. Also I really thought cava was scum b/c of his vote on his check (which still makes no sense to me) You wanted to lynch cav huh? I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch | ||
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I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch | ||
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And yet you say you didn't bilieve it? Then why put any hope in his confirmation whatsoever. So I ask again, who did you intend we lynch instead? Clearly it wasn't cav. | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh. It's dumb to be overwhelming him like this. He's already gonna die, if he cares at all about his fate he'll do something about it. Wos tell me what I just quoted wasn't Objection worthy. | ||
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On March 07 2014 13:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Part of this post is delay---the only tactic he has right now if scum. But part of it.... That bolded section. Is that really scum showing that kind of thinking? Like...if we do as he says and no-lynch one of three things happen: 1) I die tonight, HF/gum lynch Chyz tomorrow and win/lose depending. 2) HF dies tonight, same as above. Why bother saying this? Ugh. Other thing that happens is 3) Chyz dies tonight? (Then he's not scum, obvs). From my POV that absolutely confirms HF as scum and so scum loses here... I'm trying to see if it actually makes sense in the end to no-lynch. Cause he's scum and he has no play. Are you asking me if scum would delay? The answer is yes, are you asking me if scum would martyr? A thousand times yes. His posting makes no sense cause it's not genuine thought, it reads like bullshit cause it is, he's trying to sound thoughtful and contributive but there's nothing left really to contribute but a confession. | ||
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On March 07 2014 14:12 TheChyz wrote: What was your read on me at the end of day 1? Just real quick no going back in thread, i expect a small response with as much as you can remember of the top of your head. Get pumped guys, chyz isa bouta busta thisa casa wida opana | ||
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On March 07 2014 14:39 WaveofShadow wrote: You may as well elaborate. HF tell me right now Chyz isn't looking towny for this stuff. Gumshoe? You too. Ummm no, he's not, you are though XD ironically enough. He's falling back on newb meta to win, dont know what else there is to it. | ||
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On March 08 2014 07:24 Holyflare wrote: If you're mafia wave, fuck you, I'm goong ve pn your ass Holy, you and me are pretty darn town and yet were both far more confident in the win than Wos. He town read suki and toad early on, and switched stances at smart times, so of the three of us he is the scummiest. So why is he so certain were going to lose? Like, this is starting to sound really hammy ) : he should be the one holding our hands, telling us its ok, not vice versa. | ||
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On March 08 2014 08:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Phonepost Lol gumshoe if I'm scum why sow doubt at all? Just afk all day fr the win. Just stay on we see wht happens One is in fact for the money, but as we all know, two is for the fame / : | ||
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On March 08 2014 08:01 Holyflare wrote: Like chyz only come bk when he know we busy... Dat shit scummy stay strong tram oks | ||
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On March 08 2014 09:06 geript wrote: No it's not. It should've been really fucking obvious when he was pushing me. I have new policy lynches to engage now. I really can't believe you bought that shit. Only Chyz had the right idea. You No lynch there. Holy was going to shoot me. | ||
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