Jar Jar thinks suki is town cause her opening was "light hearted" I think Mocsta is town because I literally play a scum game with him, where he was so sick of bieng scum he recklessly lashed out at everyone and SCUM CLAIMED UNDER NO PRESSURE. The two are night and day and I've done tons more this game than just defend Moc. Whereas Jar Jar's case on me and moc came from Suki and his attack on Chyz lined up with sukis. Suki is his moon, and he her sun, and together they are scum.
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote: 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.
On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?
I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.
Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.
There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.
There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment.
I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing?
Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right?
you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand?
If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote: 1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.
On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?
I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.
Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted. I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.
There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.
There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment.
I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing?
Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right?
you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand?
If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.
I agree that it's nothing like some of his scum games but that's not the points anyone is picking him up on, why does he have to troll/give up/be angry just because he rolled scum again? maybe he'd try hard in this game, maybe not? why are you only giving your town read to him and ignoring everything he's done in this game just because he's playing like he was elated despite him doing scummy things?
I had a good feel on Moc's state of mind after Gsl, I personally was fine with his posting in this game, if you want me to answer the arguments raised against him I will one after another.
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.
On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason. What does that achieve?
Just wanna play I miss mafia. Sorry
Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it?
On February 27 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail?
There was nothing to respond to
U created two situations where I must be scum only
I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already
I want you to answer specifically these things:
[1.] How did you end up in a conclusion you presented about me-Toad eariler on in the game. Can you show me some examples from earlier games you think supports your argument? Me thinking someone is good/bad has nothing to do with me not being able to form a read on them and honeslty what you said reads only as you trying to shit on me-Toad for no reason, unless you can actually provide some examples that back up your thought process. [2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town?
Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this:
[3.] Why did you have a scumread on me early on?
1. My personal assessment of your character
2. My attention is very diverted this game cos of real life. Hence what I think about things changes when I reread. Yes I'm guilty of outputting low formed thoughts.
3. Mainly because u approached early game ignoring me. I expected u to spend a lot of time on me given we were just hydraed.
Well this is not detailed enough answer for me.
I'd just like to say I'm sorry Rayn ) : what I said was uncalled for, something about the way you press witnesses bugs me, You pick away alot at inconsistencies, an approach I dont entirely agree with because I feel town is just as capable of producing them as scum, it's also an approach you used to mislynch me. So its personally frustrating to see it, you take castles apart by removing a stone from the base and then preach that the castle deserved to fall because of that single weakness. You may or may not be right, who knows, I'm done for today, going to sleep. Night town.
On February 27 2014 12:47 Cavalinho wrote: Also, can anyone else confirm that Mocsta was actually TheDavison from Smurf Mini Mafia?
His posting looks almost leagues more decisive and cleaner than what's going on this game, but I'm still not familiar with everyone's meta and whatnot.
He is arguing from a position of weakness this game, hes been pressed all around and expected to respond to 4-6 diffrent cases simultaneously, some of which are probably trumped up by scum.
On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like wtf is this supposed to mean otherwise?
Not that it matters but I did the same thing this game
Asked bh to roll town, what else?
Yes and he either got it which modconfirms him as town or he didn't which makes him scum. Anyways the statement is out game information and totally BS.
On February 27 2014 12:47 Cavalinho wrote: Also, can anyone else confirm that Mocsta was actually TheDavison from Smurf Mini Mafia?
His posting looks almost leagues more decisive and cleaner than what's going on this game, but I'm still not familiar with everyone's meta and whatnot.
He is arguing from a position of weakness this game, hes been pressed all around and expected to respond to 4-6 diffrent cases simultaneously, some of which are probably trumped up by scum.
On February 28 2014 01:27 Vivax wrote: But hey. I'll make it for dummies just to make sure, you never know.
Premise: gumshoe scum.
Sees suki and moc calling each other scum. Thinks suki can look scummy. Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town. Sees that the two are having a debate. Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously. He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post.
Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting.
Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way? At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument).
Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post. And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame.
Assuming you bilieve I'm scum, why is your vote still on Mocsta? From your reasoning here, you state if I am scum, either moc and suki are town, or Suki is more likely scum between the two. You have two stances that are in firm clash with one another. So am I or Mocsta scum? I feel the need to ask because you clearly dont think we both are, but are more than willing to push the both of us.
On February 28 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote: Gum, it was speculation under the premise that you would rather bus than give your buddy a townread.
Being speculation I can't know if it actually applies, so I'm not following that rule to the letter, especially not without knowing your alignment.
Speculation or not, when townies have reads they form thier play around them, or drop those reads entirely to pursue new ones, here your doing the opposite, providing evidence that hurts one of your own cases, and not dropping it entirely. The only explanation I can fathom for such self damaging play is that you saw an opportunity to make a lynch happened, but werent confident enough to drop your old one in favour of it.
On February 27 2014 14:15 suki wrote: I can see why people are calling me out for having such a bad conclusion to my case on TheChyz. All I can say is it's been retardedly frustrating to not be able to play when so much is going on in this game. My analysis on TheChyz was cut short because of time. I wasn't able to pressure people or comment on more people because of time. Now that I have some time I am going to read Chyz again and also comment on a lot more people.
TheChyz Part 2
TheChyz's play this game I described earlier as weak. He hasn't commented on people, hasn't really applied pressure. His top case is geript which he's been pushing all game.
He seems unusually hmm.. responsive, to people's accusations of his play:
On February 26 2014 15:19 TheChyz wrote: Ye, I played reckless. So I'm not allowed to play differently and have my philosophies change? Don't know what your leading to. All your doing is pointing out a playstyle that you probably don't agree with. Doesn't mean you have to like it. And im pretty sure both you and I would actually rather try to look for actual scum then keep talking about this thread clogging argument. Yes?
On February 27 2014 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Still want thechyz to answer this by the way it's the only thing i want him to write about before i get a stance on him x_x
On February 26 2014 20:47 Holyflare wrote: TheChyz you were getting called out for your filter not really saying much and your response was that you don't like to call someone mafia for doing 1 scummy thing, yet, in the next few posts you make a case on geript that literally only focuses on 1 aspect of his play (although he has shit all yes). What changed between those few posts that you felt compelled to make a case on someone who isn't doing much, has been talked about for the exact reasons you posted before and is doing nothing before you have even talked to them?
On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote: You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't.
On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote: kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with
On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote: Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...)
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all.
In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand.
Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now.
Did kiterayn just fly away on you? ##Vote geript
I was getting shit for playing the way I wanted to play and people wouldn't stop circlejerking around the fact that I don't play like they expect. So instead of trying to argue about philosophies in which is such a tangential topic I decided that I would have to learn to play the TL way and give them what they expect of me and that is to make a case. And also I had my thoughts on geript as most scummy for quiet some time in the game so thats why I talked about him.
This is interesting because looking at his play from Newbie LI, it shows that as town he was aggressive, posted cases on people, wasn't afraid to call people scummy and pressure them: + Show Spoiler +
On January 06 2014 12:08 TheChyz wrote: Ok I think my little posts before I had to go afk helped generate enough argument to start conversations going. I actually total love the idea of trying to catch bandwagoners early and since Balla posted something similar to the train of thought I usually have I thought someone would catch the link. If you did, congrats.
I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much.
##Vote: Day_Walker
On January 06 2014 12:52 TheChyz wrote: I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm.
On January 06 2014 15:56 TheChyz wrote: So Dragoon, it seems like you don't think Asuna should be a possible lynch target. Why is that so?
On January 07 2014 01:01 TheChyz wrote: I would like to bring up a player that has kinda hidden back into the shadows and that is dnyarri. When he first posts, I find it ironic since he says that it is easy for lurkers to bandwagon in which he proceeds to bandwagon anyways. He also seems to bring no argument to the table but mostly facts and his argument is circular logic stuff. It goes more or less like this, "since DayWalker made the list in which he says theChyz is scum then theChyz is scum, but because of theChyz's points then DayWalker is also scummy". To me it seems like he just read my filter and saw my vote for DayWalker and also checked his out. This is a good move because if I came up as mafia then he would be safe, but if not then he has a strong fallback on another player. I may be overanalyzing the first post, but that is not even the most important.
The moment he gets challenged he switches immediately from me to Dragoon, which he didn't even mention at all! There was nothing to imply this. AND, later on in his posts the only people he mentions are myself, Dragoon, and DayWalker. So he also just read Dragoon's post and just mashed it in together in his second paragraph which just seems like more facts and analysis taken from other people.
Out of all of the points, the strongest still stands as when he gets challenged about me, he flops and goes on a new target all together.
##Unvote ##Vote: dnyarri
Here's what I see. TheChyz rolled scum, played a really underwhelming early game and got shit for it. He then tried to look better by posting cases, and said he was just trying to play the way people expected him to play.
His play this game does not resemble his town game from LI, and I feel that there is plenty of reason for this if he's scum. When he was town, he pressured people, wasn't afraid to give reads and speak up. This game he just sorts of coasts in the background, trying to appease people by 'changing his style' but not really pushing or pressuring anyone.
TheChyz conveniently comes up with something he finds "strange" on Mocsta (without calling it scummy), when Mocsta gets under heat from Rayn.
On February 26 2014 17:44 TheChyz wrote: Also on Mocsta which I didn't mention before because I thought it was not too important but all of the first posts with suki it seems like a tone of just telling her things and coaching her through the game. Just some strange interaction early on that now that mocstas read on suki changed from having some suspicion to the 2nd best town read (as rayn mentioned already)
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy?
Scummiest so far, yes
So then why isn't your vote on me?
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far
Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded
I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
So are you saying I'm scummy?
Scummiest so far, yes
So then why isn't your vote on me?
This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time.
Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy.
Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game??
lol what.
##vote Mocsta
I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy.
Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked).
suki.
I am confused why u r actually voting me.
U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy.
Can u go into more detail please.
Like, what's the point of this observation? Mocsta is 'coaching' me (which I don't know how he got that since Mocsta was clearly attacking me). It seems to be putting suspicion on Mocsta without outright saying it. He then asks a few questions to Mocsta but doesn't ever come to any conclusion on him until he's asked by Vivax.
On February 27 2014 08:29 TheChyz wrote: I still don't understand vivax why you wouldn't take a look at me after quiet a bit of the voting has gone my way. Do you somehow know I'm town? My filter is short enough so it surely is not the effort required.
This post also struck me as Chyz wondering why Vivax isn't suspicious of him, as if he knows he's scummy. I originally had this as a scummy point against Chyz but looking at Chyz's filter from newbie LI he seemed to question people on why they had a town read on him in his town game. So I think this comes out as a null point.
Summary:
I think TheChyz's play has changed in a scummy way compared to his town game. His tunnel on geript is bad and uncharacteristic of him. His case on geript is bad but he seems to have no problem pushing it and only it. He made a half-case on Mocsta but fails to say why Mocsta's actions make him scummy, but Mocsta is the only other person he's really talked about. He kind of commented on Vivax but again didn't come to any conclusion.
All of this I feel is more likely to come from a scum Chyz.
##vote TheChyz
Isn't it remarkably convenient how Chyz's meta, something you didn't take into account initially despite knowing first hand how hand how easily exploitable it is, just so happens to support your existing case? Besides, this game chyz is tunneling Geript, just like he did day walker in the newbie game, while offering asides here and there. He is less yolo, but bear in mind, that was his first game and have you even considered that he might have toned down his play as a direct result of getting mislynched (by you no less)?
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. The fact that you would pick out meh qoutes in his play and upgrade him to townie is wierd. Scum reads>town reads, townies dont just find meh play to be green, because they wanna find scum, not pre-emptively clear people. Yet you and Jar Jar have had alot of confidence in one another throughout this game for moderate reasons. Yeah nope, I'm not buying it, of the two of you Jar is more likely scum, because he just abandoned you to get either one of us lynched. But I'm not satisfied with your reasoning for finding him towny / :
Also this is funny,
Hey Crossfire! :D Yeah the memory of that game is still fresh in my mind.. I told my boyfriend that I signed up for this mafia and he was like 'seriously? you were so stressed the whole time you played the last game'
Haha. But I'm kinda glad that it ended the way it did, it makes for a really good story
This qoute, from that same newbie game, sounds awfully similar to how you started this game, I'd also like to point out that your cases were quite well put together there as well, your a pretty damm good player, but I dont think your a towny one ) :
On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##vote Gumshoe
First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote: For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote: That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.
Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.
Wat³
You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: More similarities between GSL and this game
On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.
On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote: I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you.
On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today.
On February 28 2014 01:22 Mocsta wrote: 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark)
I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently.
What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript? Do you honestly bilieve were lynching G today? Do you think Moc does? Hes saying this because hes honestly changing a read, there is a day in between those posts, opinions can shift. If Moc is scum the last thing he wants to do is turn a guy who thinks hes town into yet another enemy, if hes trying to avoid his own mislynch this is not the way he would do it.
On February 28 2014 03:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit?
I see you live in the united states, how does freedom taste?
On February 28 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote: No one is willing to lynch geript? Are you reading the thread gum?
This still stands.
Geript
In the midst of the tl mafia ban list crisis, I asked Geript on team speak "Geript, if tl mafia is incapable of changing to your liking, would you rather just see it all burn to the ground?" his response? "ABSOLUTELY". Having thought about it, I realize that Geript is entirely capable of this level of tunneling on toad for such shoddy reasoning, but as others have pointed out, he knows his own meta / : Geript is my Gumshoe T_T. Down grading to null. We should all just ignore his Toad case so hes forced to talk about other people.