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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 22 2014 21:22 GMT
#44
/in
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:13 GMT
#387
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:16 GMT
#395
Also I think toads explanation for his townread on rayn makes plenty of sense and isn't scummy @ all.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:20 GMT
#399
On February 26 2014 11:16 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either

Thats funny JJD.

Suki responded to the points directly afterwards. Anymore cherry picking you want to do?

Do you mean this?
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
So are you saying I'm scummy?

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:31 GMT
#411
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:42 GMT
#424
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:43 GMT
#427
On February 26 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
So do you find it likely that right out of the gate, scum gumshoe drops a townread on his scumbuddy Mocsta?
No. I'd say that a scum gumshoe likely means moc is town.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:28 GMT
#525
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:32 GMT
#530
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:34 GMT
#531
On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.
Trying to move on. I'm being questioned about it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:50 GMT
#550
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:42 GMT
#588
On February 26 2014 13:51 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.

Explain
Explain what exactly?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:48 GMT
#593
On February 26 2014 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.

That's totally not what he is saying.
I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this.

I even expounded on it:
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:54 GMT
#599
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.
What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:17 GMT
#697
On February 26 2014 21:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.


JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum?
Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:

On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Current reads:

.....

rayn

On February 26 2014 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum.
This 2nd post doesn't read to me like he's talking about a scumread.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:29 GMT
#703
On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote:
wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.

Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness.

At the very least this is worth some talking
That's not what HF was calling a scumslip. He had some weird reasoning about how that post conflicted w/ an earlier post.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:50 GMT
#714
On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote:
JJd, since you are here.

Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.

(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall)

Suki reads very town to me.


Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like:

- Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all.

- He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic

- I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy.

doesn't sit right.

Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#751
OK I'm flip flopping on Moc again. I really like the fact that he's pushing TheChyz who I'm having a hard time reading any of his posts as town motivated.

Look @ how he retracts his read on me:
On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote:
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia.

His retraction here doesn't make sense. Here's my statement in question:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

I was refferring to gumshoe about mocsta. Chz thought I was scummy because he thought I was referring to myself about mocsta.

Him saying that he "kept thinking [I] was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe" makes no sense whatsoever. He retracted his statement cause of thread sentiment and came up w/ a BS reason.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#752
##vote TheChyz
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:48 GMT
#770
On February 27 2014 01:42 geript wrote:
I would also like to point out that Toad is probably mafia for not getting himself modkilled.

huh?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 17:02 GMT
#774
@geript & Toad

opinion on Chyz?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 19:27 GMT
#807
vivax, how do you feel about Chyz or the people voting him? I find it odd that you haven't mentioned him despite the fact that he's got 4 votes on him right now.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:18 GMT
#837
What are you saying w/ that post rayn? I'm pretty sure Vivax isn't talking about me there.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:49 GMT
#874
On February 27 2014 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 27 2014 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah I'm reading JJD right now. It's sort of the same thing I guess but Vivax goes into specific detail while JJD simply just goes off of gumshoe's sentiment at the time. You are right though it's not completely novel and so now I feel better about being suspicious of Vivax.

Can you read into JJD a little for me?
He flip-flops around a lot on Mocsta which I actually find decently townie, but the problem is throughout his posting, his reads look as though they're echoing wherever he guesses thread sentiment to be going at the time. He also says he agrees with my sentiment (the post you and I argued about forever) but never comments on it beyond that point or expands; you'd think that a comment on his strongest scumread at the time would warrant a little more.

The only thing that bothers me with JJD is that (i hope i am not lying here because i am not 100% sure if he has in fact done this ^^) he's not came up with a case that's actually JJD'ish already. But from what i read the post i just referenced in addition to Vivax' one, i stand behind my townread on him for the towniness of the thought process in that post.

I actually find his later posting is what makes me feel a little better---the post that turned me onto Vivax specifically.
JJD you're around, aren't you?

I'm around and I just went back and reread and it does seem like you're right about me seeming to follow thread sentiment. Don't know what to say about that except that I think the cases I brought up were mostly original @ least even if they were on people that were already being suspected. I can only suspect who I suspect.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 20:58 GMT
#882
On February 27 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
JJD why is originality of one's case important?
IDK, I guess it isn't after thinking about it. Scratch that part then. My only defense about following thread sentiment is that it's coincidental. I dont know what else I can say.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 23:56 GMT
#975
##unvote

Chz's last bunch of posts read pretty townie to me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 00:50 GMT
#1017
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 02:27 GMT
#1081
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki. He claims her post was lighthearted, perhaps I was wrong in saying it was especially crafted, but thier is undeniably an element of 'try' in her initial post, that if not scummy, certainly shouldnt be considered townie. Yet this bilief in her, as I said, is the basis of most of his play so far.
Ok even Moc changed his tune here and said he agreed w/ me about sukis post being lighthearted.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
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But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Here when confronted about his accusations against Moc, by Moc, he deflects saying I'm the scummy one. He stays this course for a time. Then as attention dies down on me he goes back to Moc.
Selective quoting much? I was confronted about my accusations against moc by moc? Here's the full quote:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
You call that being confronted? Moc made a mostly joke post. Don't try to imply my read on you was me responding to pressure or something like that.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
Show nested quote +
Suki reads very town to me.

I was asked so I answered. Again you're cherry picking parts of my posts.


On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
Buddying seems like a strange term to use about 2 people you think are scum

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 02:44 GMT
#1089
On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post.

On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
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On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town?

I like her attitude after my callout.
I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered.

Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.
I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example.

There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 03:18 GMT
#1110
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
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On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 04:38 GMT
#1157
On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 05:14 GMT
#1175
On February 27 2014 13:58 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:04 Cavalinho wrote:
The only reason I'm not jumping on this Mocsta train is because I still want him to try and explain his reads.
So are you still waiting or are you satisfied?


Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment.

Why are you asking this question?
Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked?

Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance:
On February 27 2014 13:04 Cavalinho wrote:
At a glance, this seems like a pretty good case. I'm gonna look through her filter to see what's up.
Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:11 GMT
#1292
##vote Gumshoe

First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.

Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.


I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:14 GMT
#1295
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 14:16 GMT
#1299
More similarities between GSL and this game

On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?


Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.



On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:08 GMT
#1332
On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (2) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho



Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in .
If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know!
I think ur missing gumshoe voting for me
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:11 GMT
#1336
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:36 GMT
#1354
On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote:

I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe.
Guess its the latter

Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first

On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere?

Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes:

I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.

Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:39 GMT
#1358
On February 28 2014 00:13 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.

im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 15:45 GMT
#1361
On February 28 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:13 Mocsta wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote:
JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.

im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.


i suggest you refrain from any and all pre-flip associations and just vote people on the merit of their scummyness
Well OK. Then he's null for me.

But ya know, I hear people say this shit all the time. I don't know where this idea came from but I think it's dumb to not take every bit of information into account when voting.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 16:48 GMT
#1382
On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken.
I thought I gave my opinion on u.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 17:22 GMT
#1388
On February 28 2014 01:49 Vivax wrote:
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On February 28 2014 01:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
It would be welcome if everyone posted a verdict on me before we're short before deadline. I think the wagon on me still is missing an opinion from Ange7, cavalinho, chyz, JJD, Toad, rayn. Everyone else has already taken a stance on it if I'm not mistaken.
I thought I gave my opinion on u.


You said null, I think you have enough material in my filter to reach a more definite conclusion.

I said null cause people said to remove my association reads. I originally said leaning town.

My conclusion is that I dont want to lynch you but I wouldn't write your name in green or anything.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 17:37 GMT
#1393
On February 28 2014 02:28 Vivax wrote:
JJD can you think of any reason not to lynch Mocsta?

Also I'm kinda at loss why HF lost the will to lynch him after writing this:
Pre-flip association...blah blah...


But yeah, I may end up w/ my vote on Moc if I can't get people to follow me on gumshoe since I don't think I'm gonna like any of the other wagons.

Yeah that holyflare thing is wierd. I hadn't been crazy about his posts earlier and I guess rayn convinced me to not give him too much of a look w/ his whole 100% town speil.

I'll look into him some more.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 18:36 GMT
#1413
Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense:

On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##vote Gumshoe

First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.

Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.


I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.

On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
More similarities between GSL and this game

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?


Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.



Show nested quote +
On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.


JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 18:39 GMT
#1415
On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.
Citation needed
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 18:43 GMT
#1418
OK, can someone else please ask gumshoe to back his claim that I've mostly sheeped suki. Or explain why he's continuing to make stuff up even after I already shot his case to shit?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 18:58 GMT
#1441
On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you.
Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:04 GMT
#1447
On February 28 2014 03:44 gumshoe wrote:
What is scums motive for back tracking while no one is willing to lynch Geript?

ARE YOU FN KIDDING ME? You based half your case on me for going back on my reads. You even specifically used the work "backtrack"
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:11 GMT
#1449
On February 28 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you.
Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie?
Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:30 GMT
#1459
On February 28 2014 04:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:38 gumshoe wrote:
You are my number one scum read, I see no reason to discuss anything with you.
Yet you had no problem going back and forth discussing things w/ me yesterday. Is the reason you refuse to discuss this in particular because you've been completely caught in a lie?
Not only that but you've been discussing plenty of shit w/ vivax who you supposedly have as a scum read as well.


He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype?

Why are you responding to me right now? Is it because you actually have an answer to this but not an answer as to why you lied earlier or why your "backtrack" read is scum for 1 person but not another?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:43 GMT
#1469
On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 04:31 Vivax wrote:
And with that I mean: How did you go from this

So yeah, my scum team is primarily Suki and Jar, with Vivax in the wings(much sheep on the case against him)


to this

He is my number two scum read ( : big gap in between the two, what do you think the titan fall hype?


Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard.
because YOU'RE the one seperating your reads. you can't just say "I still think your all scum" and then say "Well I refuse to talk to JJD because I have him as more scummy than vivax"
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:52 GMT
#1474
On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote:
Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together:
There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.

Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case.


And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing.
On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.
Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 19:52 GMT
#1476
On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: suki
I'll be back before deadline if i wake up.

Please read my gumshoe case
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:16 GMT
#1482
On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote:
Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear.
Backtracked off what? The whole connection between suki and myself is a lie that you manufactured. Here, I'll again post what you keep ignoring
On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ suki
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
From here on out, Jar mostly pushes me and Moc and at the foundation of this crusade is his staunch bilief in Suki.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Later on he asserts his Suki read without proof.
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
Also, despite Jar Jar buddying her to extreme lengths, Suki has not once mentioned him.
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On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
For now I'll switch my vote onto Jar, because the dudes based his accusations against me on my undying love for Moc, while his loyalty to Suki, which has defined his play for more than mine to Moc, is more so questionable and pretty much unexplained.
That's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:24 GMT
#1486
On February 28 2014 05:12 Vivax wrote:
JarJar is there anything in gumshoe's play that suggests to you that you're dealing with scum as opposed to a bad townie?
I'm curious cause not everyone posting a bad case on you has to be scum, if you could post some reasons outside of his case on you it would be great (or point me to them).

are you reading my cases? He's actively making stuff up. He's not just making a bad case on me. He's twisting things to make his case.

He's acting just like he was in GSL where he pretended to be so confident about mattchew. I already posted 2 examples where his play there mirrors his play here:
On February 27 2014 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I also think his townread on moc is just too disingenuous. He townread him real early in the game for terrible reasons and now he's basically treating him as confirmed town:
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.

He just can't possibly be that confident.
And like, if you look @ GSL, he gave off that same air of confidence w/ his scumread on Mattchew. It may be a townread vs a scumread but he comes off very similiar.

And that was scumread vs townread. Now it's scumread vs scumread. He obviously can't be as confident against me as he's pretending to be because of how bad the case is.

And the 2nd example:
On February 27 2014 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
More similarities between GSL and this game

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On February 27 2014 12:20 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.


gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.

I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
Then why did you ask me to find the post?


Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.



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On February 22 2014 02:56 gumshoe wrote:
I did nothing but attack scum until Vivax raised a case against me, which is pretty much what I do every game that I dont uber lurk. I do play and think a bit "odd" and players both green and red usually pass that behaviour off as scummy. If you Vivax and everyone else start finding "unexplainable" motives here and there(as one enthuastic townie once said about my posts) theres not much I can do but sincerely ask you to reconsider ) : I'm not scum and from my view point, however skewed it might be, I've communicated that through my actions. I assure you I have a fantastic lurker meta to fall back on should I ever roll red, but thats not where I'm at this game, and it'll piss me off to no end if I get mislynched and am forced to imagine Matt's laughter roll across the vaulted ceilings of his super secret scum layer.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:39 GMT
#1493
On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:
All aboard the shitty town read train!

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, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


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But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.


Show nested quote +
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


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Suki reads very town to me.
And those four posts (the first 3 of which are all basically the same thing) is enough to make you say:
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I dont like Jar Jar, much of his style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki.
???



And you still haven't answered this:
On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.
Citation needed

Please explain.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:41 GMT
#1494
On February 28 2014 05:29 gumshoe wrote:
and eventually when it looks kinda like Suki is going to be lynched.

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I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy
OK you're making up lies again. Please explain how it looked like Suki was gonna get lynched. She had ONE vote on her @ that time I believe.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:55 GMT
#1499
On February 28 2014 05:43 gumshoe wrote:
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On February 28 2014 05:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And you still haven't answered this:
On February 28 2014 03:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote:
Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.
Citation needed

Please explain.


Suki poked away at Chyz before you, Moc and me were pretty much her scum reads. You accusations line up perfectly with hers, or are rooted in the bilief shes town.
OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.".

And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 20:57 GMT
#1502
WoS, please read my gumshoe cases.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:05 GMT
#1513
On February 28 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote:
Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one.

And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's like I'm pushing for her to be lynched.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:14 GMT
#1528
On February 28 2014 06:11 gumshoe wrote:
You dont have many reads Jar, so when you back up on one and call it scummy
I don't have many reads? Well I guess you think I'm town then:
On February 27 2014 11:05 gumshoe wrote:
I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game.
I thought I was scummy because I had too many reads?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:23 GMT
#1540
On February 28 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
LET'S GO PEOPLE, I WANT INPUT ON VIVAX>
Well I didn't think he was scum before the claim so not much to add about my own read. I will say that I don't get how anyone that thought he was scum before would drop their read simply because he claimed blue.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:33 GMT
#1563
On February 28 2014 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
LET'S GO PEOPLE, I WANT INPUT ON VIVAX>
Well I didn't think he was scum before the claim so not much to add about my own read. I will say that I don't get how anyone that thought he was scum before would drop their read simply because he claimed blue.

Do you think it was necessary for him to claim blue when he did?
Why did you think he was town, JJD?

Assumming he is blue I think the timing was ok. It does seem like he does have a good chance of being lynched and making the claim well before the deadline helps make sure we aren't scrambling last minute.

I've said all game that he's null for me, slightly leaning town because of associations. I just haven't thougt the stuff he's been accussed of is scummy like people were making it out to be.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:37 GMT
#1570
On February 28 2014 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Vote mocsta bitches. If scum wanted to push a lynch on mocsta they'd be doing that and not leaving him untouched all this fucking time.
I still feel like gumshoe scumslipped that moc was town
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:45 GMT
#1589
On February 28 2014 06:43 Ange777 wrote:
Can you explain where gumshoe supposedly scumslipped?
On February 27 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:25 Vivax wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:20 Vivax wrote:
That post kinda makes me more confident that he's scum. He doesn't fight back.


Opposite for me ) : Mocsta would be a lot more spiteful here as scum, shit like "lol, this town sucks" here he just sounds sad, first time he roles town in ages and hes day 1 lynched.


Wat³


You heard me, all in, Mocsta is town.
OK. This really seems like a scumslip and then Phony confidence to cover it up.


JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:48 GMT
#1592
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta


Prob have to go in a few but will be on before the deadline. Not crazy about it but better than a suki lynch methinks.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 21:57 GMT
#1606
On February 28 2014 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
again if he's telling the truth.
He's telling the truth. Vig is the worst role to fakeclaim cause if there's a real vig he gets shot @ night.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 23:49 GMT
#1666
On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Fair enough.

I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else.

I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki
can we lynch this guy?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 27 2014 23:51 GMT
#1667
On February 28 2014 08:44 suki wrote:
Ok what the hell guys, why is there suddenly a bandwagon on me?
Yeah. Bandwagon formed way too quick for suki to be scum.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 14:49 GMT
#1984
On February 28 2014 16:55 Mocsta wrote:
So I'm really conflicted on JJD.

On one hand I find this relatively townie in a CB type of way.
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 00:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote:

I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe.
Guess its the latter

Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first

On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote:
I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere?

Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes:

I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.

Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
Note the votecount just before this post
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote:
Votecount

Mocsta (2) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript

gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (2) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet

Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki

Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho

Vivax was under pressure at the time, not Suki. Given the back/forth between JJD/GS at the time, this comment seemed contextually natural.

FYI that votecount was wrong and gumshoe was on me not suki.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:01 GMT
#1985
On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote:
No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego.

On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
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On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?

On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke



I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline.

Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do.


On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote:
Final Votecount

Mocsta (5) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki, Cavalinho

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (5) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki




And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta.
On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave



JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:14 GMT
#1986
And IDK what to say about Gumshoe. I'm a little less sure about him now but I really feel like he orchestrated evrything and was setting me up for sukis flip well before the fact.

Yes he voted for her but what choice did he have after vivax claims? He couldn't vote for moc after he had been pushing me, vivax and suki forever not to mention the fact that he was screaming to high heavens that Moc was town.

In fact the only other choice he had was to say that he didn't believe vivaxs' claim which he tried super hard to do untill it was clear that the town wasn't having it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:25 GMT
#1991
more similairities between this game GSL
On February 28 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:
At the very least, I think I've earned the right to see Jar Jar die before me and even if I am scum, the sooner he flips the sooner you can kill me for my retarded red play ( :


On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote:
Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:28 GMT
#1993
On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote:
If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point
Yep, see my previous post.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:36 GMT
#1996
And the other the other thing about GSL is how he always added his scumbuddy mordanis in his scumreads. The difference there was mord wasnt in danger of being lynched so he never had to vote for him.

Like, I think it's pretty obvious that if the 2 wagons yesterday ended up being vivax and suki, he would have voted vivax.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 15:54 GMT
#2006
wave?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 16:23 GMT
#2025
On March 01 2014 01:09 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2014 01:04 Vivax wrote:
Or do you guys really want to assume that suki cannot have been bussed?


Yes, we should be assuming that. Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt.
Except you. You absolutely could not have saved suki because you had to vote your scumread and sure as heck couldn't vote for Moc.

like Ang called moc and suki both scummy earlier so it wouldn't have been that suspicious. And no one else had a super town read on moc like you claimed to have.

So when you say "Any one of the five people could have saved thier gf and didnt" what you mean is "Any one of the five people except me could have saved thier gf and didnt"



JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 16:35 GMT
#2039
On March 01 2014 01:31 Vivax wrote:
JJD who is your second scumread atm?
Chyz. Case here:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2014 00:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote:
No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego.

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?

Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke



I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline.

Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do.


Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote:
Final Votecount

Mocsta (5) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki, Cavalinho

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (5) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki




And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta.
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On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave




JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 16:42 GMT
#2042
On March 01 2014 01:38 Vivax wrote:
And why didn't he save suki in your opinion? He was the guy who had the ultimate decision and he refused to give in to cavalinho.

What about suki calling him scummy after her case on moc?
IDK, he was afraid how it'd make him look? These are good points. But I just don't get why he doesn't cast a vote. Like, there's no town reason for it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 23:39 GMT
#2053
On March 01 2014 07:43 Cavalinho wrote:
I still think JJD is a good kill. I said it yesterday, and I stand by it now.
I highly doubt a shot will go off. Gumshoe basically told us they were gonna RB vivax tonight.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 23:40 GMT
#2054
On March 01 2014 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD who is the other scum?
I like just answered this 2 posts ago

On March 01 2014 01:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On March 01 2014 01:31 Vivax wrote:
JJD who is your second scumread atm?
Chyz. Case here:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 01 2014 00:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:
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On February 28 2014 08:52 TheChyz wrote:
No I don't. The moment he sayed it he already sounded arrogant as if he was untouchable (which he probably is). He is also willing to shoot anybody who argues with him and pisses him off is really stupid imo. Would rather mislynch even if he is vig than mislynch some townie and have him shoot a townie because of him ego.

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On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?

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On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke



I think these posts make chyz look pretty bad. He's telling us how he wants to lynch suki. Yet he's basically convincing Cav to switch off her. And more importantly, HE NEVER VOTES. He's basically a no-vote even though he's around @ the deadline.

Like he says "Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will" And he even quotes it himself. But then when Cav switched to tie the vote he didn't do what he said he'd do. He left the door wide open for moc to get lynched because me and vivax were trying to orchestrate a switch for the town. Like you would think he'd see people trying to move votes off suk and then he'd do what he said he'd do.


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On February 28 2014 09:00 Aquanim wrote:
Final Votecount

Mocsta (5) - suki, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Toadesstern, Toadesstern, JarJarDrinks, suki, Cavalinho

geript (1) - Toadesstern, TheChyz, Toadesstern

TheChyz (1) - raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks, Cavalinho, suki, suki

Toadesstern (1) - Geript, Geript

JarJarDrinks (0) - Geript, Gumshoe

gumshoe (0) - WaveofShadow, Mocsta, JarJarDrinks

WaveofShadow (0) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax

suki (5) - WaveofShadow, Gumshoe, Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet, Gumshoe, WaveofShadow, Ange777,

Vivax (1) - WaveofShadow, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, suki




And the clincher is he tries to take credit for the lynch. What does he mean by he's glad he didn't cave? Cave to what. He never implied that he wanted to lynch mocsta.
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On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave





JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 23:51 GMT
#2058
On March 01 2014 08:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On March 01 2014 08:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 01 2014 07:43 Cavalinho wrote:
I still think JJD is a good kill. I said it yesterday, and I stand by it now.
I highly doubt a shot will go off. Gumshoe basically told us they were gonna RB vivax tonight.

This is stupid and you know that.
A shot will not go off because either vivax is scum or because he is town and it is the right and obvious play for scum to make.
well yeah. assuming they have a RBer
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 28 2014 23:57 GMT
#2063
Ok was gonna wait till daytime but just in case I get shot.


OK, I highly doubt I'll be able to keep myself from being lynched today (assumming i didnt actually get shot instead). The fact that it's a weekend and I can't be as active as geript pointed out wont help my case any but I'll still try to post as much as can.


The only thing I ask is that if I am indeed mislynched, read my cases against gumshoe and reread his filter. Don't let him WIFOM you all by thinking he'd never call me "100% scum" over and over if he was scum. That's excatly his scum MO from GSL. Especially the part where he says he should be lynched himself if I flip town.


Just reread him again after my flip, especially everything leading up to sukis lynch and tell me that's not mafia that knows suki is about to flip red and is trying to set me up.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 00:04 GMT
#2082
because I was the most likely vig shot I'm guessing. still prob shoulda.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 01:02 GMT
#2128
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I don't blame anyone for lynching me. Gumshoe set me up pretty good. Just Lynch him after I flip please. I already pointed it out but of all the people on suki that could have been bussing, the only one that had absolutely no way to save her was gumshoe.

I don't know what I else I can say. I wont be pushing anyone elses lynch. I think the worst thing that could happen is a different townie gets lynched today and then we waste tomorrow on me. I'm the the only person besides gumshoe that should be lynched today. We have free mislynches. Don't waste em.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 14:52 GMT
#2148
They could have RBed gereipt cause if he was like DT or a 2nd vig, he would have targetted toad.

And I think the fact that vivax wasn't RB'd should look pretty good for me.

Like seriously think about about it. Toad and I are both scum, pretty much everyone is advocating shooting one of us. Yet we just let the vig take his shot even though we have a roleblocker? Like why? Just for the wifom?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 14:57 GMT
#2150
On March 01 2014 23:49 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 01 2014 23:47 geript wrote:
Like I said, waste of time. HF I'm really torn between JJD/Cav. Like Cav looks really scummy but he's got a few things that look really towny too. Wanna help?


i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x

If u people get endgamed by gumshoe I'm gonna be seriously pissed
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 14:59 GMT
#2152
On March 01 2014 23:54 geript wrote:
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On March 01 2014 23:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
They could have RBed gereipt cause if he was like DT or a 2nd vig, he would have targetted toad.

And I think the fact that vivax wasn't RB'd should look pretty good for me.

Like seriously think about about it. Toad and I are both scum, pretty much everyone is advocating shooting one of us. Yet we just let the vig take his shot even though we have a roleblocker? Like why? Just for the wifom?

This is a really weird argument
Why is it weird? I feel like it's argument where anybody that actually gives it some thought would be like "Yeah, it's really unlkely that JJD is scum".
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:13 GMT
#2157
On March 02 2014 00:07 geript wrote:
@JJD I want you to tell me the top 3 people who are likely to be scum and why. Like, no on liner reasons. I want to see some actual research as to who you think should be the next 3 people lynched and who's the best lynch and why.
No, I want to be lynched today if gumshoe isn't. The worst thing that can happen today is a townie that isn't me gets lynched because tomorrow would be wasted. Lynching me is the 2nd best result after lynching scum.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:15 GMT
#2160
I can see everybody is already starting to change their minds about me. This is gonna be like the last time I was mislynched where basically the whole town is gonna pretty sure I'm not scum by the time the deadline approaches but they still lynch me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:16 GMT
#2161
I'd bet anything rayn is calling me town in the obs
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:18 GMT
#2162
On March 02 2014 00:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
You DO know we're not lynching gumshoe next though, right?
So if not him, who?
Just please promise me you lynch him @ some point. Do not let him win this game after everything I've posted about him.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:19 GMT
#2163
But just so you have it on record. After gumshoe I'd go Chyz, Cav, Geript.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 15:36 GMT
#2180
Why is gumshoe talking about who to lynch after my flip? I'm 100% scum according to him.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:14 GMT
#2201
On March 02 2014 00:40 Vivax wrote:
JarJar where does gumshoe talk about that?
Talk about who to vote after my flip or talk about me me being 100% town?

If its the former it's on the previous page. If the latter I'll find it in a min.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:14 GMT
#2202
*page 109
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:25 GMT
#2203
On February 28 2014 16:37 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:28 geript wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.

I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier.

Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible.
It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia.


This, thats why I personally feel the game is so won right now, if scum had the power to get Mocsta lynched, no matter the fall out, that was the move they should have made. The only reason they didnt? They couldn't. 2 of the 4 on Moc are scum almost guaranteed, Vivax will reveal himself tonight, Cava's probs town, Jar is 100 percent scum, and if vax is actually vig we just lynch toad instead of him.
On February 28 2014 16:39 gumshoe wrote:
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On February 28 2014 16:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:35 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.

Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you

The post is terrible because you basically list what suki has done but you don't end up in any new conclusions.
Like everything you concluded has been said already.


Game is solved, cant fault him for not finding anything when theres too little to be found.
On March 01 2014 00:26 gumshoe wrote:
If Jar isnt actually scum though, please kill me, I'll deserve to die at that point

That last one is like exactly what he said last game about mattchew.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:26 GMT
#2204
On March 01 2014 00:21 gumshoe wrote:
Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3.
Oh really Vet?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:32 GMT
#2208
What about the vet thing I posted? He posted that as a message to the town in case he didn't survive the night.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 17:37 GMT
#2210
Like there was any chance scum was shooting him last night? He even explained the reason for his claim and said that there was no way scum was gonna shoot him this game.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 18:34 GMT
#2220
I made this exact case fwiw
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 20:32 GMT
#2234
On March 02 2014 05:19 gumshoe wrote:
hes locked us into a death match and is not even considering that I'm town.
Pretty sure U'r the one who has us locked in a death match. I don't think I've ever called you 100% scum. But how else am I supposed to read you when you act like your completely sure that I scum? I just read your confidence exactly how it was in GSL.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 21:08 GMT
#2239
On March 02 2014 03:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I made this exact case fwiw


To summarize:


Chyz tells us in this next post that he will lynch suki. But in the next 2 posts he basically bullies Cav into switching his vote off her and on to Moc.

That and the fact that he didnt vote means he seemed to be lying about wanting to get suki lynched.


On February 28 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:
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On February 28 2014 08:33 Vivax wrote:
Yeah well I'll give you the newbie benefit cause lynching people you don't find helpful is something you would like to do when you're new to the game.

However I don't like that you say you don't mind other people being lynched, since I would expect that you want the person lynched that you DO want to get lynched, and not anybody else you didn't really take a closer look at.

Or did you take a closer look at suki and Moc?

Well I wouldn't mind you or suki getting lynched if I had no choice in the matter. So if it comes to it last minute that somebody other than you three is going to get lynched and I'm able to lynch one of you, I probably will








On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?
On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 08:55 Cavalinho wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:
On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.

HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two.

And yet your vote is in suki.......?


Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter.

##Unvote
##vote Mocsta

I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 21:12 GMT
#2240
On March 02 2014 05:58 Vivax wrote:
Conclusion after reading the stuff happening at deadline is that Cava and Chyz look equally bad.

Chyz for saying suki is a candidate for his vote, but not Moc and then doing jack to get that opinion through when the suki lynch was at danger.i

Cava for voting her while hard-defending her at the same time, cause his townreads voted her.

JarJar didn't do anything to influence what was happening at that point, but I'm not even sure if he was around at deadline. But he had a pretty strong townread on her and a scumread on Moc.

JJD have you been around @ deadline?

Anyway we lynch these three and we hit scum, no question. Basically what HF has been saying all the time, but I wouldn't be Vivax if I hadn't been trying to question even that.

Please replace Cav w/ gumshoe. Dont let gumshoe solo win this game.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 21:19 GMT
#2242
On March 02 2014 06:13 Vivax wrote:
Man you just posted points on Chyz that would make me lynch him in the blink of an eye and now you still say gumshoe is scum.

Wtf???

Just want to make sure gumshoe is on ur list if Chyz flips town and u lynch me.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 23:49 GMT
#2254
On March 02 2014 07:53 TheChyz wrote:
If I was scum then I had an easy chance to take an out. With votes on moc and suki as the majority I was given an out where I could have voted on moc instead of suki. Note this was just 15 minutes before the deadline. Do you guys really think that the person you have been calling noob all game would be able to bus onto their gf and hope to ride the game till the late game when I could have easily made some reason to lynch moc instead. No. I don't care if you think I'm scum because of things I did before since I have played pretty shit but the argument on me for the last few minutes before the lynch is complete and utter garbage.
That's like, the whole point.

There was 15 minutes left in the day. Suki had SIX people voting for her and Moc had THREE. @ that point of course ur gonna be all like "Yo suki is scum, I'd totes lynch her" But then when votes started switching and they were TIED in votes, you didn't try to make sure she got lynched like u said u would.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 01 2014 23:50 GMT
#2255
On March 02 2014 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
I mean Jar, I need you to acknowledge that I just demolished your fake vt argument. I had clear reasons for everything I did N1, and I'm glad you gave me the chance to air them ( :
Why did you claim?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 07:05 GMT
#2265
On March 02 2014 08:43 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 02 2014 02:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 01 2014 00:21 gumshoe wrote:
Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3.
Oh really Vet?


Oh I missed this XD easy question to answer. Say Vivax does shoot me, then we get no mishots and we have too confirmed townies, I was just trying to bait his shot. I was also trying to imply that I was blue via my confidence that Vivax's shot wouldnt go off, in hopes scum would shoot me minus an rb.

To be honest, I really doubted VIvax's claim ) : I was vet, I thought there was a cop cause of the god father and 3 blues(one bieng vig, another dt) seems really op for 10/3. Basically getting shot was win win, just so long as I wasnt role blocked, which is why I couldnt just come out and say I was vet. With Vivax's shot gone, the rber dead, and scum basically trying to use me as thier endgame mislynch, there was no reason not to claim. So I did, because unless theres a reason not to I am always as transparent as possible when town.


On March 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 02 2014 08:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 02 2014 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
I mean Jar, I need you to acknowledge that I just demolished your fake vt argument. I had clear reasons for everything I did N1, and I'm glad you gave me the chance to air them ( :
Why did you claim?


Because there was no reason not to. Rb is dead, I know for a fact scum wont shoot me because they NEED me to get mislynched. If I can afford to be transparent I always will be.


you're contridicting yourself
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 07:11 GMT
#2266
And also, has anyone come up w/ better reason for vivax not getting roleblocked other than them wanting him to misfire on me?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 15:50 GMT
#2287
On March 03 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 16:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 02 2014 08:43 gumshoe wrote:
On March 02 2014 02:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 01 2014 00:21 gumshoe wrote:
Oh and hes been absent since lynch as others have pointed out 0_o seriously guys, if Vax shoots me tonight Jar Jar better be bloody dead by night 3.
Oh really Vet?


Oh I missed this XD easy question to answer. Say Vivax does shoot me, then we get no mishots and we have too confirmed townies, I was just trying to bait his shot. I was also trying to imply that I was blue via my confidence that Vivax's shot wouldnt go off, in hopes scum would shoot me minus an rb.

To be honest, I really doubted VIvax's claim ) : I was vet, I thought there was a cop cause of the god father and 3 blues(one bieng vig, another dt) seems really op for 10/3. Basically getting shot was win win, just so long as I wasnt role blocked, which is why I couldnt just come out and say I was vet. With Vivax's shot gone, the rber dead, and scum basically trying to use me as thier endgame mislynch, there was no reason not to claim. So I did, because unless theres a reason not to I am always as transparent as possible when town.


On March 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:
On March 02 2014 08:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 02 2014 08:46 gumshoe wrote:
I mean Jar, I need you to acknowledge that I just demolished your fake vt argument. I had clear reasons for everything I did N1, and I'm glad you gave me the chance to air them ( :
Why did you claim?


Because there was no reason not to. Rb is dead, I know for a fact scum wont shoot me because they NEED me to get mislynched. If I can afford to be transparent I always will be.


you're contridicting yourself


NOW they won't shoot me, I was trying to crumb blue night one by implying I knew Vivax wasn't vig( via knowledge of my own role) at the same time I wouldn't mind getting shot by Vivax cause double confirmed. That's why I didn't claim night 1. but because rayn was shot, it implies they're trying to make me look bad and need me to get a mislynch, and vigs shot is gone so my bullet ain't coming from there either.

I would not reveal my role if I was not confident that it would have more use as a claim then as a power. like how rayn revealed parity cop d1 in a game we recently played because the likelihood of it getting as much value as the claim itself was minimal.Oh and your nitpicking shit that doesn't matter again cause "look guys, an inconsistency this guy has to be scum!"
What do you mean NOW they wont shoot you? Why would they have shot you last light but not tonight?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:07 GMT
#2292
On March 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also Vivax might have shot me, but now thats out of the question to, the role is worthless, the claim is not.

If you believe that vivax might have shot you then don't you think he would have been roleblocked if I was scum? Cause if you get shot, I'm obviously the next lynch.

I still haven't seen one good reason why they let the vig shoot that could possibly mean I'm scum.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:09 GMT
#2293
On March 03 2014 01:05 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also Vivax might have shot me, but now thats out of the question to, the role is worthless, the claim is not.


I think both of us are town and JJD is just trying to push us to lynch each other.

How the F am I trying to push anyone to lynch you. I haven't called you scum @ all. I even told vivax to remove you off his lynch list.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:12 GMT
#2294
I think it's dumb to think you're scum for the same reason it's dumb to think I am. I can't image an entire scum team piling their votes up together. I think there's either 1 bus on the suki wagon or Chyz is scum cause of reasons already stated.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:26 GMT
#2298
On March 03 2014 01:19 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 01:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also Vivax might have shot me, but now thats out of the question to, the role is worthless, the claim is not.

If you believe that vivax might have shot you then don't you think he would have been roleblocked if I was scum? Cause if you get shot, I'm obviously the next lynch.

I still haven't seen one good reason why they let the vig shoot that could possibly mean I'm scum.


What 0_o What does my alignment have to do with yours? Jar Jar, we could both be town, it's possible, I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before (see basterd mafia.). The fact that you honestly bilieve that one of us HAS to be scum is revealing. Besides, you were likely to get lynched today anyways XD you dont need my flip for that.

Also, are you actually fighting my honest motivation with your hypothetical scum one? I thought you were desperate before but this takes the cake. As for the vig shot, it's simple, when your in a bad spot, you have to take a risk to win, scum NEEDED that shot to hit a townie, it didn't, end of story.

WHAT!???? where am I implying that one of us has to be scum?

You're the one who called me "100% scum"

You're the one who said "If JJD flips green, lynch me next" /paraphrasing

You're the one who refused to talk to me because you don't talk to scum"


Please explain how I went from 100% scum where you say to lynch you if you're wrong to "I strongly believe your scum, but I've been wrong before "

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:32 GMT
#2301
Gumshoe next after me ange please.


Just everyone voting me promise to to reread gumshoe after my flip.

ANd listen to rayn:
On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens.

Especially the part where rayn notes that gumshoe is already setting me up as sukis scumbuddy before the flip.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:36 GMT
#2306
On March 03 2014 01:32 gumshoe wrote:
The reason I've been wavering is because cav looks pretty bad as well, toads dt read on him could have only been a green read, because a red read doesnt help him win the game. Its possible your town and hes scum, but I still think your my man XD
This guy knows exactly what I'm gonna flip and is setting up the next mislynch. Reread posts like this after u all know my alignment.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:37 GMT
#2307
On March 03 2014 01:34 gumshoe wrote:
You see, town feel fine changing their reads and adapting, because they are interested in winning the game, not looking townie. It's scum who cant back down, which is why you held onto your Chyz read even though at that point it made no sense.
YOU MADE A WHOLE CASE AGAINST ME BASED ON THE FACT THAT I KEPT CHANGING MY READS AND ADAPTING!!
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:39 GMT
#2309
On March 03 2014 01:35 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gumshoe next after me ange please.


Just everyone voting me promise to to reread gumshoe after my flip.

ANd listen to rayn:
On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens.

Especially the part where rayn notes that gumshoe is already setting me up as sukis scumbuddy before the flip.


WHY WOULD I SHOOT RAYN THEN. Good god Jar Jar T_T if your town your so bad at this game.

Huh? Why would you shoot someone who is getting suspicious of you and is capable of leading the town against you?

Is this a real fucking question?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 16:48 GMT
#2313
On March 03 2014 01:44 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 01:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:35 gumshoe wrote:
On March 03 2014 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gumshoe next after me ange please.


Just everyone voting me promise to to reread gumshoe after my flip.

ANd listen to rayn:
On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens.

Especially the part where rayn notes that gumshoe is already setting me up as sukis scumbuddy before the flip.


WHY WOULD I SHOOT RAYN THEN. Good god Jar Jar T_T if your town your so bad at this game.

Huh? Why would you shoot someone who is getting suspicious of you and is capable of leading the town against you?

Is this a real fucking question?


Because that fucking frames me, you leave the people who are accusing you alive to imply their scum. You yourself said my death would make you look bad T_T
Rayn wasn't Fn scum cmon. And really it frames you? How's that working out? How many votes do you have?

Rayn wasn't screaming to high heavens that you were scum. He was just starting to suspect you.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 17:01 GMT
#2320
On March 03 2014 01:43 gumshoe wrote:
I dont think my reads are infalible
Whaaa....? What about Moc? And Me? And Suki?

Did you forget your persona this game and think you were town for a second?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 17:19 GMT
#2331
I actually didn't realize vivax was that sure of me. Good shit vivax, ur an intelligent player.

But I just realized, unless my math is off. We get 4 lynches not 3. So I don't really care much cause no way gumshoe makes it to endgame.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 18:06 GMT
#2345
On March 03 2014 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
somehow quoted the wrong post


Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 02:27 Ange777 wrote:
Holyflare, in which order would you lynch now through these four people?


jjd, cav or chyz i don't really care what order because the game will end at one of those points most likely anyway
OK, but if alll 3 flip green, please kill gumshoe. I don't care if he gets the ironman award and last to the final 3. Just don't let him win.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#2347
On March 03 2014 03:08 Vivax wrote:
If all three flip green we lynch geript
Well I doubt u'll be alive then since it'll be 2/1. Hopefully whoever the 3rd player left is actually reads the thread.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 18:48 GMT
#2367
On March 03 2014 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
I should have in hindsight. Just wanted to keep on geript in spite of him. I was around the whole deadline, so if anybody last minute switched I could have cast my vote then.
The vote ended up TIED. cutting it a little close no?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 18:49 GMT
#2368
Like Cav did last minute switch. And mostly because you told him to.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:36 GMT
#2509
I'm here. Please dont vote Cav. I'll vote myself before cav. Vote Chyz if anything (since I know gumshoe aint happpening today).
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:40 GMT
#2515
And I thought suki was town like vivax said. Moc was a suspect of mine alot but I certainly wasnt sure of him because what I still think was a scumslip of gumshoe. I wasnt happy Moc was the alt wagon but I voted him cause I liked suki. I really just wanted gumshoe lynched.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:44 GMT
#2520
Has Chyz explained why he didn't vote for suki yet? I only skimmed the last few pages but the last thing he said anbout about it was he would have switched if it was needed which doesnt answer the question.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:47 GMT
#2523
On March 03 2014 08:44 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2014 08:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And I thought suki was town like vivax said. Moc was a suspect of mine alot but I certainly wasnt sure of him because what I still think was a scumslip of gumshoe. I wasnt happy Moc was the alt wagon but I voted him cause I liked suki. I really just wanted gumshoe lynched.

You still havent given a reason why you think he was a suspect, you just keep saying he is. I'm a 3 meters tall, but I will never show you a photo. Does that make sense to you? Cause that is what your argument is sounding like.


My very first post in the game:

On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either



And there was more. read my filter.

My turn:

Why didnt you vote for suki?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:51 GMT
#2528
##vote TheChyz

Just please people, Chyz and gumshoe next.

GL
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:59 GMT
#2539
Ok, I'm scum. u guys win, gg
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:59 GMT
#2540
just kidding trolllolol
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
March 02 2014 23:59 GMT
#2541
ferrealz gumshoe and chyz
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