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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 22 2014 21:22 GMT
#44
/in
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:13 GMT
#387
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:16 GMT
#395
Also I think toads explanation for his townread on rayn makes plenty of sense and isn't scummy @ all.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:20 GMT
#399
On February 26 2014 11:16 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, don't like mocsta claiming suki looks scummy for an "overly worded [claim]"

Saying everyone else was acting carefree while suki was trying extra hard seems like total BS. In fact I thought the exact opposite. I felt like suki seemed pretty relaxed while guys like WoS and Geript were trying extra hard to look playful.


Then this:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:40 suki wrote:
hm.. can we please not let this misspelling of my name become a trend?

That's the most important thing to respond from my observation?
I'd like to know exactly how suki is supposed to respond to this:
On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote:
Sukmi
U seem most out of place for me so far

Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded

I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either

Thats funny JJD.

Suki responded to the points directly afterwards. Anymore cherry picking you want to do?

Do you mean this?
On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote:
So are you saying I'm scummy?

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:31 GMT
#411
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:42 GMT
#424
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 02:43 GMT
#427
On February 26 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
So do you find it likely that right out of the gate, scum gumshoe drops a townread on his scumbuddy Mocsta?
No. I'd say that a scum gumshoe likely means moc is town.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:28 GMT
#525
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:32 GMT
#530
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:34 GMT
#531
On February 26 2014 13:32 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 geript wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript i don't get what you are saying....

Like, he's acknowledging how scummy it would look for him to sheep the suki case. That feels really off to me coming from any town perspective.

Ahh okay. I don't know, i don't really get what JJD is saying there, maybe he can explain, it's not really clear to me.
Anyways if your interpretation is correct why would he say that as mafia? Like say something irrelevant that makes people think he is avoiding doing scummy stuff?

I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.


First day man, we bring up bad cases(which they almost all are at this point) then move on or evolve those cases. The only people who are scared of working through possibilities are scum, because it incriminates them and brings town closer to the truth. Also if you want you can sheep wos's complaints with the Suki's case, otherwise back up your declarations of war.
Trying to move on. I'm being questioned about it.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 04:50 GMT
#550
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:42 GMT
#588
On February 26 2014 13:51 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 13:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:42 gumshoe wrote:
On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:
To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that.
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about.
I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?


Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
I'd say I'm leaning town on him and he's either misguided or trying to pressure me to see my reaction.

Explain
Explain what exactly?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:48 GMT
#593
On February 26 2014 14:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image.

That's totally not what he is saying.
I am amazed how anyone who actually reads the post and the rest of the page it was posted in with any thought can think like this.

I even expounded on it:
On February 26 2014 13:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think my statement is pretty self explainitory. I think it's scummy that gumshoe sheeped mocstas terrible case. Nothing cryptic about it.

The suki case was bad.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 05:54 GMT
#599
On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.
What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:17 GMT
#697
On February 26 2014 21:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.


JJD, this is your only real concluding post so far (apart from your start, I liked your start). What exactly are you trying to say here, you had a read on mocsta but you've completely thrown it away despite him doing what you think is scummy because you then think someone else is doing something that stops mocsta from being scum?
Yeah that was basically it. I didn't like a gumshoe/mocsta scum team. But I think I'm back to not liking moc again. Gumshoe does seem to be scumhunting and I haven't been really crazy about some of Mocstas more recent posts. In Particular:

On February 26 2014 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
Current reads:

.....

rayn

On February 26 2014 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gentlemen and 2 ladiesif rayn cannot follow your thought process intimately than YOU MUST be scum.
This 2nd post doesn't read to me like he's talking about a scumread.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:29 GMT
#703
On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote:
wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about:

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.

Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness.

At the very least this is worth some talking
That's not what HF was calling a scumslip. He had some weird reasoning about how that post conflicted w/ an earlier post.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 13:50 GMT
#714
On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote:
JJd, since you are here.

Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.

(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall)

Suki reads very town to me.


Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like:

- Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all.

- He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic

- I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it
On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy.

doesn't sit right.

Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#751
OK I'm flip flopping on Moc again. I really like the fact that he's pushing TheChyz who I'm having a hard time reading any of his posts as town motivated.

Look @ how he retracts his read on me:
On February 26 2014 14:49 TheChyz wrote:
NVM on the JJD case. I'm retarded and kept thinking he was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe. I also don't call him mafia cause 1 scummy thing from a person doesn't mean they are mafia.

His retraction here doesn't make sense. Here's my statement in question:
On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards.


But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched.

Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case.

I was refferring to gumshoe about mocsta. Chz thought I was scummy because he thought I was referring to myself about mocsta.

Him saying that he "kept thinking [I] was refering to mocsta and not gumshoe" makes no sense whatsoever. He retracted his statement cause of thread sentiment and came up w/ a BS reason.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:19 GMT
#752
##vote TheChyz
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
February 26 2014 16:48 GMT
#770
On February 27 2014 01:42 geript wrote:
I would also like to point out that Toad is probably mafia for not getting himself modkilled.

huh?
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