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On February 26 2014 13:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like that's what you literally say and everything contradicts the last thing you say... Why? You can read your own analysis of him from, like, a page ago and get an answer. | ||
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On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote: I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image. Why is it that you don't think he's mafia, but you think he's scummy? Are mafia and scum two different entities? | ||
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Seeing his earlier posts, he was talking to us about the JarJar case, and then dropped it almost seven minutes later. I wasn't under the impression that you could reread a 30 page thread and then immediately drop a case in seven minutes. I think the only reason that he did that was because he was being pressured, and I think that his post on something as meaningless as a typo is a step in the direction that he's trying to contribute without actually doing anything. I want to hear more from him, ASAP. | ||
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I've already made my case on TheChyz, and he hasn't addressed it. Check my filter if you need to see it. Furthermore, what is with Mocsta's reads? He says rayn is scummier than Chyz, but rayn is pushing Chyz pretty hard. Rayn already voted him and pressured him hard, but says that rayn and Chyz are scum together, which seems highly unlikely. I want him to elaborate more on his reads. If anything, they seem completely arbitrary. | ||
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I'm still pretty sure TheChyz is scum as well, but he's the stronger of my two scumreads right now. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cavalinho why are your posts so short and lack content unlike the last game? Because I died immediately last game. I'm going to try being much more measured instead of just posting shit and seeing what happens. | ||
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On February 27 2014 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you were not posting shit. The town was shit and you were the most townie person in that game. There is no reason to not do anything you did in that game. This post makes me very happy. Very well, I'll tell you what I think we should be doing today. I think we should be lynching between geript, TheChyz, and Mocsta. TheChyz still has yet to answer to what I was saying before, and that's really starting to bug me. I think the only reason he dropped his scumread on JJD is because he was pressured. Unless I've overlooked something, I have yet to see him respond to my accusations that I posted before, and I'm not sure why you don't think he's scum. Mocsta has yet to elaborate on his reads. When reading them, I thought they made absolutely no sense because at the time you were pressuring Chyz pretty hard and it seemed impossible that you and he were mafia together. (However, I have yet to see your answer on why you townread or at the very least nullread Chyz, so this is still a possibility.) Geript is unreadable. I don't understand where he's coming from and his posts don't really make a whole lot of sense to me. If he doesn't make himself clear to me soon, I feel like pushing a lynch on him soon is going to be a necessity so I can get a much more solid read on the game. I also want to see more from JJD. That is all. | ||
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Holyflare: large posts that say nothing other than a player is null to scummy with your spare limited time is scum tell enough, returning to the thread saying we have no focus is what i did in hogwarts (but with extra cases), i'm more than happy to start this shit now + joining the adventure game while questioning it (scooby doo scenarios ++++) take it from the heavyweight champ, i know what scum tells are ##unvote ##vote suki I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here. I want to believe you're town, but I don't understand your thought process when suki clearly hasn't been here for a large period of time. Furthermore, geript isn't modconfirmed town. What the fuck? Was that really what he got from the mod message from page 56? At any rate, this game is a bit of a mess. I'm going to ##unvote for the moment, and see if everything starts making any sense. Everyone is literally arguing in a circle. | ||
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His posting looks almost leagues more decisive and cleaner than what's going on this game, but I'm still not familiar with everyone's meta and whatnot. | ||
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On February 27 2014 12:50 gumshoe wrote: He is arguing from a position of weakness this game, hes been pressed all around and expected to respond to 4-6 diffrent cases simultaneously, some of which are probably trumped up by scum. Ok. Are they the same person? | ||
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Ok. Then why are you defending him? | ||
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On February 27 2014 13:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: So are you still waiting or are you satisfied? Yeah, he already gave me a pretty reliable answer for the moment. Why are you asking this question? | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:00 Mocsta wrote: I did cab? By saying I was Davison and pointing to a troll game? You answered it a while ago. This is in reference to a different question. I'll quote the post. | ||
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On February 27 2014 09:17 Mocsta wrote: I don't have much time today but see I am the vote leader At this point my care factor is pretty low I dunno what's worse: rolling scum when u k ow the rest of ya team lurks or playing a game like this where everyone jumps on u, it no1 a really specifies why I am scum. Everyone issue seems to be that they cant my mindset... Which is null Either way if it takes me flipping town for people to play this game properly so be it. I think rayn looks better than say 12hrs ago. He's prob the only person I am comfortable with that has voted me. Toad is prob town but is a real idiot. His thoughts may be crystal clear but that doesn't make the outcome right. Vivax is a real surprise vote. I assume he's going to state one of me and gum is scum. Now he's town on gum I have become that town read. He's tingling me right now pretty hard after his opportune vote switch. Pls remember he was pushing wos and then pounced on me. I need to reread suki case against her 2014 scum game. I have her back at null from a rethink. On one hand her cases were pretty lacklustre. On the other hand I'm still giving credit for being CB. I'm liking geript. As scum he could be trying to look good by town reading me, but his reasons seemed decent and not bullshit. It at least showed he thought about it which I thinks important with one caveat. He normally calls me town for moclogic which he hasn't dine here. Either way he's a terrible lynch for today. I don't care for cavalinho questions, but I liked him based on association with chz. If cha was somehow town I would consider cavalinho as sleeper scum Jjd is town. Too many flip-flops on me which are unwarrantedironically this is how I'm playing the game yet I'm apparently not town. Its a concern ange hasn't posted but I think she said she would be away initially. Lastly HF I guess. Dunno I don't like him but its pure feel. I expect him to be better than this is prob the crux. Hmmm so that's where I am at To me CHz posting hasn't improved and I still think he is intentionally withholding his position on matters. He's my vote for the cycle. Like I said. Today is crunch day for me at work so I wasn't even meant to post this. That's it. Obviously I would prefer to not be lynched but this game is quickly heading towards if I don't like it. Its scum mentality which will not help my cause. Ciao and if I flip look hard at vivax. This one was the one I was looking for. I wanted you to explain your reads, and you did for the most part. I don't like the fact that your reads were weird at start, but everything looks much cleaner and easier to follow here. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: Um, to get an answer. Were you not planning on letting people know about your read on mocsta untill I asked? Like you make these statements and then don't follow up on them. Like you're only trying to find the right thing to say @ the time. For instance:Have you filter dived yet? Any conclusions you'd like to share? No, you're right. I am forgetting about shit. For right now, I think that between my three initial scumreads, I'd only be willing to vote for geript or TheChyz at this point. Mocsta seems pretty town once he sat down and really gave his reads on what was going on around him, though I don't know why he brought up a game where he was trolling as town. That was...really odd. Furthermore, I still stand by the fact that I think suki hasn't had the chance to really talk about things. At first, she looked a lot like she was following her old meta by zeroing in on one person and just leaving it at that, but as you can see, she's already elaborating on her reads whereas Chyz has yet to even acknowledge what I said in the first place. At the same time, suki could just be pouncing on what seems to be the most opportune lynch of the day. Her reasoning is solid, so she seems town, but I'm not discounting what the other players have said about her play thus far. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:25 Holyflare wrote: These two things don't make sense together, half of what I said against her she says was correct (bolded) and then she says my case is bad despite just agreeing to a part of it She said you were calling her out because she said TheChyz had weak play. The truth of the matter is that he does, and commenting on it isn't indicative of alignment yet. I've actually made a short case based on the small amount of times he has talked earlier in the game, and he has yet to comment on it. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote: right.... so then she said it was a legitimate call out only to then say my case was bad despite agreeing that her case was bad in the first place ~__~ At this point, we are just arguing in circles. Let's look at the facts we have in front of us now: Chyz has added nothing, and it clearly isn't due to time constraints, whereas the second suki comes back and has a chance to sit down and look at shit, she expounds her initially poor case with good evidence. I think it's solid, for the moment. | ||
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On February 27 2014 14:45 suki wrote: Cav who do you find scummy? Let's see a vote. I've already voted TheChyz once, but I unvoted because my townread on rayn is pretty strong and I'd be willing to follow him. My current scumread is TheChyz, but geript is being weird as fuck and I can't really read him. | ||
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Also, yes, the amount of OMGUS in this thread is getting ridiculous. Absolutely nothing seems to be happening aside from people making cases that get completely ignored or dropped. I'm going to propose the same thing I did last game. We all need to choose a small number of people to lynch today in order to stop all the OMGUS'ing and to organize the town rather than having everyone just argue in circles for the bajillionth time. | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote: Like really that post of yours looks down on town for what it's doing but what are you accomplishing with that? It's absolutely saying nothing. Let's hear some real opinions son First of all, Toad already showed you his case. Secondly, nothing is happening. In my last game, we argued and nobody came to a consensus on anything and I got lynched d1 with only two votes. This is not a good atmosphere for town, no matter how you try to look at it. The vote list by itself shows that we have no idea what the fuck we are doing. The day is going to end very soon, and we all need to figure out who we are lynching. I'm not particularly willing to go through the same scenario twice, and I'd much rather we all came to an agreement rather than argue in circles. The only thing that really sticks out to me right now (aside from TheChyz posting absolutely nothing like he did in his last game as town) is that when rayn randomly voted WoS, two people came out of the woodwork to ask why. It's unlikely that mafia would reveal themselves so quickly and early into the first day, but it's still a point of interest, especially when one of those people (Mocsta) is someone that we've all pushed as one of the best lynches for today. | ||
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On February 28 2014 02:56 Vivax wrote: What case, he said he didn't like that post, but otherwise I'm a townread according to his spreadsheet, posted after the post he didn't like. A case is a summary of explanations explaining why somebody is scum. I need to know if your axe is with me or with mocsta. And I gain from the last part that you think WoS should be looked at more closely. Herp derp, I just realized that I've been misreading everything and that WoS was the one posting all that stuff. At any rate, just switch all of my comments about Toad to WoS and it's the same thing. All the things I can bring up right now all feel like they won't have much impact on anything. Suki asked me to vote earlier after she made her case on TheChyz, but I'm not sure whether to take that as her trying to see what I'm doing in my first not newbie game, or trying to save herself because she had more votes than Chyz. Also, I don't think I'm going to be voting you today. Aside from all the nitpicking, nobody really seems to be going out of their way to defend you and it seems like you're way to easy to lynch if someone decided to push really hard. Chyz and geript are still two people that I don't particularly like right now. Mocsta, at the very least, addressed what I was saying earlier making me think that he's actually going back to try and figure things out, whereas geript is just tunneling and saying "I need you guys to trust me." | ||
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On February 28 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote: Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one. Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on. caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances Maybe, maybe not. My point is that all the information going around right now seems entirely reactive and nothing is hashed out yet, and it's really starting to bother me. Let me give you an example. Earlier, suki asked me to vote who I think was suspect. Now, after thinking it over, I thought that she would have said something like that for one of two reasons: A) Suki wants to see how I'm playing this game, as she was one of the observers of my last one and noticed that I learned a lot about that game. B) Suki had three votes on her and made a case on someone I already thought was scummy, and she was appealing to get my vote to potentially save herself. A quick filter dive (as my filter is not very long) reveals that Chyz is my strongest scumread. Convenient. This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Does this make suki scummy? Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I think the simplest answer is the best (A) and suki is probably town, but you see what I'm getting at. All the information going around right now seems entirely reactive, and it feels a lot like my other game, where people just go around and point fingers at each other and absolutely nothing gets done. For the record, looking through Vivax's filter makes me think he's town. Despite the fact that he had a bunch of votes on him earlier, he still found time to scumhunt. I'm not voting him today. If anything, I'm probably going to look more closely at WoS and gumshoe. | ||
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On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: suki I'll be back before deadline if i wake up. Ugh, is there any chance he's gonna come back before then? I want him to explain his vote. | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:17 Vivax wrote: I'm curious how this Cavalinho dude will justify his uber late vote, if he even will. What's that supposed to mean? | ||
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I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else. I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote: Rayn went derp mode for reasons I can't understand. The mocsta confirmed town thingy makes no sense to me the way he explained it cause I don't expect the hosts to do a favour to individual players. So yeah, his suki vote is a riddle, and he basically stopped playing the game outside of that. HF thinks suki is scummy for the bad town atmosphere thingy and cause he thinks that saying things others said previously as if they were your own is scummy and not just copyright infringement cause you don't care who a point belongs to if it's a good point. Furthermore HF found Mocsta scummy himself for reasons similar to the ones suki mentioned (unexplainable read jumps in his incredibly helpful lists /sarcasm) but completely quit pursuing him afterwards and disregards what suki said about mocsta just cause he says she was rehashing that. On the other hand I already mentioned at some point that both of Moc's and suki's reads on each other changed in weird ways after their initial aggression so there's the conspiracy theory that they are in fact both scum. I said town atmosphere was bad as well. Nobody wants to jump on me for that? Although Mocsta is pretty scummy, nothing he did early game made any sense and I was totally set to lynch him. I just find this suki bandwagon particularly odd. | ||
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HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two. | ||
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That's about as thinly veiled an OMGUS can get without outright saying it. You never seemed to have a problem with anything else I said right up until I said you could be scummy. | ||
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Go reread. I'm not going to bother explaining things to you if you aren't diving my incredibly short filter. ##Unvote ##vote Mocsta | ||
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On February 28 2014 08:56 TheChyz wrote: I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke After I promptly changed my vote because I had an opportunity to save (what I perceive to be) a townread. If you aren't going to step in and vote Mocsta, then stop bugging me. | ||
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And now I can't spell either. Awesome. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote: whatever, i'm gonna take a break for a bit and get wasted :D i should write a scum tell book ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZHRmcsSnL.jpg) never forget You should. I would pay money for it. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:16 Mocsta wrote: Lol... You are the scum that fake claimed vig. I Got you lynched that game. You shoot me then doesn't matter. I was suspect of suki for exactly the right reasons. Not my problem this town shit on it I will admit that if I assume u r town, it makes me want to reassess gumshoe With a suki flip it is interesting he came to my defense and then attacked suki unproductively Will give this more thought if I'm alive tomorrow. To be fair, we didn't entirely shit on it. We just...kind of shat on it. Like, only a little. All kidding aside, I'm going to nominate JJD to die next because frankly I can only be wrong so many times. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:22 Vivax wrote: Yeah, only scum can defend scum. Therefore, you and me and JJD and who else might have defended suki in some way are scum Cavalinho. You and I both know that a highly polarized lynch like this is only going to tell us that there is likely at least one, maybe two mafia on the Mocsta train. It may or may not be us, but that's definitely the next place we should look for scum. I was pretty gunshy before tonight, but I'm ready to start making stuff happen. | ||
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On February 28 2014 09:29 Vivax wrote: Except that this isn't correct if Mocsta is mafia. It's highly unlikely that the mafia is incompetent enough to allow two of their members to be the highest voted players in the game at the end of day 1. | ||
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Though geript is still really weird. | ||
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I should have stuck with the "sheep my strongest townreads" strategy. | ||
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On February 28 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also promised you Holyflare is town. I know. You and him were my strongest reads. I just didn't know what to look for and didn't realize that my analysis of suki was actually spot on aside from the fact that I took A instead of B. >.> | ||
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On February 28 2014 13:27 Holyflare wrote: can i sit back and let you guys solve the game instead? x_x No, you have to carry us. Win the game pls. | ||
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Also, I'm not sure why TheChyz would try to pressure me off my vote on suki, but he did that. That was...Odd. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:05 Mocsta wrote: Didn't u vote me cav...... Or am I getting confused? I voted suki to start with and then TheChyz pressured me to change it because apparently it was stupid. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well that's not really what happened. You basically called suki town and TheChyz asked why your vote is still on suki. I said suki was probably town and I didn't understand why suki was being voted by my stronger townreads, so I initially decided that sheeping my stronger townreads was the better strategy. Chyz said that was stupid. | ||
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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day? | ||
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On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cavalinho's comment on Chyz pressuring him is weird. If there is "pressuring" on his vote on suki it's JJD and not Chyz, Chyz asked a simple question which btw is correct. Other than that, Chyz is really fucking scummy. Like "idk what to do with my vote, plz teammates help me". One of Cavalinho / TheChyz is scum. I am really sure about it. Like really really sure. I just don't know which one yet. Mocsta gets a free pass for like until close to LYLO because JJD is also friggin scummy. Now it's still possible Mocsta was away, suki was away, and Cav/Chyz didn't know what to do and scum had no chance of pushing to vote into anything but 2 scum on the line, so my theory stands. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. But still possible. Anyways.) Since when did JDD pressure me? He made a comment about lynching me after saying that he would be a better target than suki. I stand by the fact that I want both JDD and Chyz dead at some point. JDD only became a more apparent lynch as time went on, but I wanted Chyz gone since the start of the game. The suki lynch was something I just plain wasn't sold on. I admit, it made me look pretty bad, and I made an impulsive move that makes me look worse than it should because I came to the wrong conclusion on my earlier case. Back to what you were saying, I'd really like to talk a little bit more about TheChyz. I'm actually about to pull up some quotes and stuff from before the flip. | ||
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I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote: Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave  Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake. Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.) | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cavalinho i am interested why you read this: ..as "pressuring you into not voting suki", but this: ..is not? ??? Because the JJD comment was nothing more than blatant OMGUS when I mentioned him in that post, whereas Chyz actually came up with a relatively solid counterpoint for what I was doing, despite the fact that my vote was initially in the right place. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason. Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow? | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia. Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:30 TheChyz wrote: Cava I don't see what your problem is. I call you out on your inability to follow your own reads and only being able to sheep onto others' reads. You cave last minute and now you have the guts to call me out on taking credit for suki's kill and that I'm scum with her. Like you've been on my ass all game making shit arguments saying I don't respond when I have a few times and now when you do something really weak and flippy-floppy to get your vote OFF A GF you have the guts to say that its MY play thats scummy? Piss off. I never said you were scum with her. I'm saying that the reasoning behind my vote was shitty and the reason you told me my vote was shitty is also shitty because I wound up being completely right in the first place. It's a big shitastrophe that starts with the fact that my reads were kind of garbage and that my townreads were the strongest things I had to work with. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:39 geript wrote: Honestly nobody cares. Sheeping is fine and lots of people do it. We want and expect you to get your thought processes out in the thread so we can either lynch the fuck out of you or confirm you as town. Yeah, but I died for it last game. Hence why I'm so hesitant to do it. | ||
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On February 28 2014 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: A wise man (town Emperor) called Palmar once said this: Trust it. Message received. Heading off to bed. Good luck during the night gentlemen. | ||
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On February 28 2014 18:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: No fuck, i don't think Cavalinho is mafia. The way he handled the lynch thing does not make any sense. Like he goes "i don't think suki is mafia" (reason to vote for Mocsta or anyone else) -> "I'll sheep my townreads on suki" (why would he do this when he said the opposite already) -> "fuck it i wanna kill Mocsta instead" (makes no sense as he's already set on bussing based on the comment before) -> "I am glad i was right!!" (makes ABSOLUTELY no sense as scum because he was not). Except I wasn't happy I was right. I was wrong. I didn't have solid reads, so I decided that following my strongest townreads would be the best course of action. Then Chyz called me on it and suki came back and I went, "this probably isn't right." Except it was, and I nearly lynched the wrong person. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote: why the fuck didn't he rb vivax..........? It's fine, don't think about it. | ||
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No, it's fine. Stop thinking about it. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote: like, if he didn't rb vivax then he thought vivax wouldn't target him and so thought he would mis-shoot the other people he was thinking about so they are likely to be town too Actually, I was kind of fucking around, but this is a very good point. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote: that is a terrrrrribbbbbleeeeeeeee time to claim wtf??? Yeah, I was just gonna say. There's literally no point to claiming veteran unless you think JJD is town and that we're all just gonna sheep rayn's reads unless you blueclaim. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:09 WaveofShadow wrote: lol so he's basically confirmed town He assumes we've won already so he pulls a boneheaded claim Lynch into JJD/Chyz/Cavalinho/Ange in that order and we win I'm pretty sure the game is going to end on that first lynch, but we will see. Let's cross that bridge when we come to it. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm I didn't actually think of it from that perspective, but I think mine is more likely. I'm not discounting it. I jumped off the suki bandwagon in part because I thought the easiest answer was the best one, but apparently that's not always the case. Just keep it in mind. My filter is small enough so nobody will forget/miss it if they dive. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't actually believe they didn't RB vivax. Why risk him killing a town when it means he's confirmed anyway? And they risk the worst case scenario for them which ended up happening. Like...I don't even understand why that's worth the risk when I think about it. My point from before still stands. When suki was in that poor position in the beginning, she was most likely going to get lynched no matter what. If JJD doesn't flip mafia, then the likely mafia was on the suki bandwagon trying to get to and win the endgame. There are plenty of possible mislynch candidates just based on how day 1 went. I actually half expected to get nightkilled, and I'm thankful that Vivax didn't do so. (But maybe because I thought he was town much earlier and said I wouldn't vote him at all. That might have helped.) | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:24 Holyflare wrote: hmmm tempted to 24h the days and lynch through a list tbh this isn't true, many people were town reading her until i obnoxiously pushed the read into your mind  Yes and no. I made it pretty clear during the night sequence that if Mocsta was lynched and flipped green, that I would have absolutely sheeped you and gunned for suki no matter what happened. But that's besides the point. The obvious answer here is that JJD is mafia, and this is most likely the end of the game. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:37 gumshoe wrote: We have 4 lynch shots, the order is as follows, jar and cav (sorry cav, the Moc train hasn't steered us wrong yet ) : ) then me, and then I guess Geript, because he felt toads aura or something o-o I still think this lynch list thing is ridiculous. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it, because I think everyone in agreement that JJD is scum. | ||
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Yes you are. The list that my name isn't on, with one mafia being dead already. | ||
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On March 01 2014 09:47 geript wrote: For the record, I was was roleblocked. Not that it matters. ...Why? | ||
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I was going to say this. Gumshoe is the most likely lynch after this one. Chyz doesn't really make any sense, especially after the so-called "TL meta" dictates that him not saving suki makes no sense. | ||
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Seriously, kill JDD. We will sort this shit out by day 3 if it isn't him, but by all rights and accounts it should be. | ||
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On March 02 2014 08:28 gumshoe wrote: Their are still some unanswered questions, like why Cava yolod onto Moc to save suki, or how Geript called Toad was scum from virtually nothing (dude seriously deserves mvp if hes town, which he likely is.) and why toad let the vig shot through and claimed an undetermined read on Cava. Wether or not Chyz is noobie scum that got hard bussed by his gf does not deserve to be regarded amongst these other mysteries. No, it was totally answered. Go filter dive and stop wasting my time. | ||
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On March 02 2014 12:15 gumshoe wrote: I wasn't asking a question, was just speaking rhetorically : P Actually, now I'm kind of annoyed. Why did you bring up these questions to begin with? | ||
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On March 02 2014 16:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: And also, has anyone come up w/ better reason for vivax not getting roleblocked other than them wanting him to misfire on me? So he doesn't shoot anyone. If two people die, Vivax is confirmed town despite the fact that a bunch of people wanted him lynched. Not to mention hitting a mafia is incredibly bad for the scum team. | ||
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On March 02 2014 12:07 Cavalinho wrote: No, it was totally answered. Go filter dive and stop wasting my time. No, I actually really want to revisit this. What is the purpose of this statement if you're being rhetorical? It seems like the whole purpose behind it is to open up the possibility of more lynches. | ||
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WoS, HF, Chyz, and you are all town. The reasoning being duh and go away. The only two people I would be okay with lynching are gumshoe and JJD. Gumshoe is, for some odd reason or another, pushing you as a possible lynch with said posts that I've been quoting. JJD is the only other person on Mocsta that isn't me, and I know that I'm town, but I don't know what he is. If you aren't going to vote JJD, then vote gumshoe. | ||
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On March 02 2014 16:54 geript wrote: No acceptable. Tell me why those people are town in your book. More importantly tell me why you think JJD/Gumshoe are the possible scum. Like you're going to get lynched today, but if you're town then I need to be able to see things from your perspective because I've missed something important then. Like I need you to put in actual work. I'm not going to get lynched today. Go away. Literally everyone else seems to be getting off with not doing shit, and you seem to be totally fine with that. Go bother them. | ||
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On March 02 2014 17:08 geript wrote: This post is super super scummy. It flat out says I'm not going to do anything at all because I don't have to. Lynch it w/ fire. No, this post is scummy. You're ignoring the fact that there are two players in the game proposing a lynch list and then /afking from the thread. You're ignoring the fact that one of the players is playing to practically avoid a modkill at this point. You're twisting all apparent logic to try and get me lynched. Oh, and for the record? Go filter dive, because I know you haven't if you're trying to push on me after I've been pushing stuff since after the night sequence. My filter isn't even that long, you have no excuse for not doing so. I want to think you're town, but you keep pushing on me for stupid garbage that makes no sense. Go away. | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote: The whole purpose behind it is to close a lynch. Chyz is 100 percent town. You are not. I do not need to open up your lynch. It is a book sprung open for all to see going on days now. As for Geript, I retract my statement, he too is 100 percent town because he is defending people, you and jar jar have been doing nothing but trying to throw the lynch off of yourselves. Which is what scum need to do, to clear anyone in this situation is disadvantageous to them especially cause there's no one left in the game they want to defend. Geript defending jar jar and still wanting longer days makes no sense if he's scum, because both hurt his odds of back to back mislynches. Sorry I ever doubted you Geript ) : your just really good at this game XD. As for you cav, it's this simple, mafia went all out to save their gf, you and jar were on Moc, your both going to die if that's what it takes, we are going to win. Okay. Then why would you make a rhetorical statement doubting someone that's 100% town? | ||
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On March 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote: Also Vivax might have shot me, but now thats out of the question to, the role is worthless, the claim is not. I think both of us are town and JJD is just trying to push us to lynch each other. | ||
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This would explain why Vivax wasn't roleblocked. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:04 gumshoe wrote: Look at these qoutes, they imply 2 things, 1) I know Vivax's shot wont go off, 2) That I dont bilieve his claim. I heavily antagonized him and implied I was scum by saying I knew he was getting rbed 0_0 no I didnt say "lynch me", thats way too fuckin obvius, but I clearly baited the shot. That doesn't actually make any sense. You would rather the shot be on you, a confirmed townie from your own point of view, over someone you perceive to be scum. | ||
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On March 03 2014 03:12 gumshoe wrote: We need to stop talking about who were going to lynch after. Both cav and Jar have been exploiting these discussions to sow preemtive dissent. Thats how they've been playing all of day 2, making us promise to lynch x after them and causing fights between us that way. Today should be between the two of them, who we lynch day 3 is a matter meant for day 3. Okay. So I guess that earlier comment you made about questioning geript is totally fine and dandy. Just gonna sweep that under the rug. Okay. | ||
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On March 03 2014 04:23 gumshoe wrote: YES BECAUSE THEN I AM A SHOT VT AND HE IS A FIRED VIG. We are two confirmed townies who the previus day and night were both suspect, which is infinitely preferable to a mishot townie. Yes it's ideal if hes lucky and kills scum, but second best is scum letting his shot through, and me being confirmed along with him. It makes complete bloody sense. But you know what, I dont expect you to understand, your not a vet, in fact most likely the opposite. We are not trying to clear people. We are trying to find scum. That is the entire purpose of this game. | ||
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On March 03 2014 04:38 gumshoe wrote: solving the game helps catch scum, knowing for a fact whose town in no way hurts. In fact, in this situation, the person who purely scum hunts is likely scum, because it's in thier interest to keep as many people suspect as possible and they have no one left they want to protect. Also, you telling me how to play the game implies I'm a newb, I'm fine if you wanna say that, but then why are we having this conversation? Tell me why my wanting to clear two townies and prevent a mishot makes me scum. At this point, we're just arguing semantics instead of trying to win. I do think that killing a scum is better than confirming a player, but that's beside the point. I stand by the fact that JJD is our best kill right now. We both agree on that. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:23 Vivax wrote: Overall I got a nagging dark feeling about this game, like there is some unexpected turn of events, scum where we don't imagine it. My post from before still stands. If you weren't roleblocked, that means you had a big chance of misfiring into the crowd of people that voted Mocsta. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:29 Holyflare wrote: Yes, definitely YOUR point right............... -.- I told you to stop thinking about it. | ||
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On March 03 2014 06:31 Vivax wrote: Or if geript is scum then they figured that if one of them died the other would be able to carry them to lategame, and hence accepted the risk. Really you can write a book about the possibilities of N1, can we just look at other stuff. This whole scenario relies on the last two people on Mocsta being town. It is entirely possible. And don't forget what rayn said about gumshoe. | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:21 Vivax wrote: Also if we have a doctor or a jailkeeper then there's no way gum is town. Why is this? | ||
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On March 03 2014 07:28 gumshoe wrote: We wont have two defensive roles. But if we had a doc or jail, they would have claimed by now, cause either im vet or scum. If that person claiming is anyone other than cav or jar, town wins. Fucking finally, thank you for someone finally giving me an answer. I was so confused when people started talking about blue flips. It didn't make any sense. | ||
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I'm a Parity Detective. Thanks guys. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:05 geript wrote: LYNCH IT WITH FIRE GUIS!!!!!! LYNCH IT WITH FIRE!!!! Worst roleclaim ever... didn't even think of telling us who he checked. Total scumclaim. ... I checked JJD. I can't even tell you the result because that's literally not how the role works. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:09 geript wrote: His filter is short... read it. No way he's a cop. Like no fucking way. I've read his filter. His claimed check is complete bs. When can you ever... EVER remember a cop not flat out saying who he's checked when he claimed. Not a cop. Parity Detective. As in I have to check two people, as in I can't give you any information until day 3. As in I fucking hate you and I'm going to stab you IRL because if JJD flips town then I'm going to fucking die. | ||
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He already treats everything like a conspiracy theory. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:13 gumshoe wrote: Hes town, we dont shit on town, so stop shitting on town. But I'm town. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote: there is 0% chance a scum would fakeclaim a cop before getting lynched by the way because all it needs is 1 cc and then it's gg This. Thanks geript. You're the best. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:22 TheChyz wrote: I think we should just pick another lynch target. If JJD comes back last minute, cava has a check on him and easy lynch. Hang on, what? | ||
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I was going to say. That made no sense whatsoever. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:32 Vivax wrote: Jeez I gotta get up early but I really need to see this now. Geript walked away in shame. No, he's still trying for some reason. | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:34 geript wrote: Cav... you're checking Ange tonight regardless. If JJD doesn't flip scum. | ||
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Okay. Now what makes you so sure that I'm going to live through the night? | ||
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On March 03 2014 08:55 geript wrote: I'd like to point out, it does kinda make sense why the game is still going on ya know *wink wink* If JJD flips town I'm going to be mildly upset. | ||
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10/10 Go team. | ||
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We need a plan. | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:14 gumshoe wrote: I've given our position some thought, if cav is scum, hes already lost this game. If he says someone is town, he literally has to be telling the truth cause a) hes town and using his power, or b) he knows cause hes the last scum. If he scum reads someone on day 3 or 4, we just lynch back to back and win. If he town reads twice in a row, then we have no choice but to lynch him because Cav cant go to lylo, it's too much of a coin flip (WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMAN.) Even if he flips town on day 4, hes already cleared two other people, people who scum probably would've wanted to take to lylo. But yeah, theres no reason to lynch him tomorrow no matter what he says, sorry Geript ) : Okay. Now why is it that no matter what the scenario is, I wind up dead? | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:23 gumshoe wrote: The problem is, say we take you to Lylo, you've green checked all the way there, which is something scum could do easily, then you can just ride your claim to victory. I'd argue against this, but frankly I'm probably going to die soon anyway. | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:16 Holyflare wrote: still a potential miller somewhere for the anti gf cop checks This is always something to worry about. Provided I love, of course. And I probably won't. | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:28 Cavalinho wrote: This is always something to worry about. Provided I live, of course. And I probably won't. Ebwop. Love is not the solution to this problem. | ||
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On March 03 2014 11:29 Holyflare wrote: there's no gf left, if he's cop he'll die ~_~ this is a non-discussion This. Thanks geript. You're the best. | ||
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On March 04 2014 00:52 Holyflare wrote: zzz many game days much boredom Rofl. Okay then. Who's your scumread then? | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:37 Holyflare wrote: Only really one guy left aint there? Old chyz my boy you played a great game but it's time to roll over now You don't actually have any contingency whatsoever if he flips town, do you? | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:44 Vivax wrote: Who you checking cava. No point in keeping it secret. I'd tell you, but I'm too pissed off about being tunneled for next to nothing to answer. It's not like it matters. Because according to HF, this game is just going to be so easy. So easy. | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:47 Holyflare wrote: Does someone know something i don't?? You actually said it yourself. The only reaon they didn't rb Vivax was because the majority of the people on the Mocsta vote were town. Both you and rayn were convinced that Chyz was town. I told you guys that lynch lists were stupid and you didn't listen. The mafia is in this for the long haul. Also, can someone please tell me why geript fucking changed the vote onto me? | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote: You should feel like confirmed town now, I had a lot of ppl on my ass D1 but after my claim I stepped up my play enormously cause I knew people just would listen and trust and I didn't have to defend myself anymore. Why u go the other path and play in a disruptive way? You aren't even confirmed yet, the reason you should reveal and discuss who to check is that you'll be dead soon if you survive this night, and can't hide behind shitty fake checks on people that aren't really doubted by town. I should feel like confirmed town, but I'm not even confirmed yet. Thanks. Go away. | ||
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On March 04 2014 04:57 Vivax wrote: Yeah I felt confirmed when I claimed but wasn't for the others until I shot. Why so prickly. I had the perfect hiding spot. Nobody actually expected me to be a blue role, so all I had to do was hide until I could reveal my check on day 3. If Chyz isn't mafia, this would have been extremely important. And geript threw it away for the sake of his ego. | ||
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If, for some reason I am still alive at the end of the night sequence, I'll give you my check. You gain nothing from me telling you anything until tomorrow. | ||
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I'm checking Chyz. Holy shit I hate all of you. | ||
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On March 04 2014 05:20 Vivax wrote: This is cause you're new on this forum. You'll feel like you've been treated as VIP this game if you ever try to push a lynch on marv. Don't talk to me anymore. This conversation is over. | ||
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Okay. What do you propose then? | ||
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On March 04 2014 06:14 geript wrote: No Vivax is right here. Like I'm confirmed town in like 3 different ways at this point (even modconfirmed). He was softing a check on me earlier and that's absolutely the worst check ever. I wouldn't hate a check on HF just so that I can remove any doubt from my mind that he's scum. I wouldn't mind a check on Wave either in that regard, but if he's alive and has any check outside of JJD/Ange/WoS tonight then I'm going to lynch Cav solely on the grounds of being way too awful to be town. Do me a favor and don't ever join another game with me. | ||
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I need more practice. >.> | ||
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