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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:18 GMT
#1841
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:20 GMT
#1842
Maybe this game is just too ezpz and JJD and Toad are mafia.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 07:21 GMT
#1843
On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.


Yeah, Toads last minute switch to Moc is awful, didn't see it at first, but there it is. Also you find me scary? I'll take that as a compliment : P

You may have been right all along Geript ) : well see.
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Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 28 2014 07:22 GMT
#1844
On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:
I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke


On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave


Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake.

Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)


Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.


Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 07:22 GMT
#1845
On February 28 2014 16:17 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote:
zzz kill ppl not on suki, play adventure with me, relax, win game

Even tho I think this was meant as a joke I think that ultimately this is what this game feels like. I don't think any of the scum have any of the votes on suki since there was not substantial votes on her until the end of the day. Also apart from that basically everybody who has voted for suki I read as being town. The only iffy one in there for me is gumshoe.

Even for the small posibility there is 1 of the scum that voted for suki, it can't be possible there was 2 (I'm assuming 3 scum at least since thats what it usually is, right?) voting for her. Therefore I think for now we treat those 5 as confirmed towns. Along with that vivax for now gets a confirmed town pass from most people (could change depending what happens after night is over). So the only people that should be left to analyze are myself, mocsta, geript, toad, cava, and JJD.

After reading suki's filter more closely I came with a few conclusions. As typical with scum, it is pretty normal for them to have some contact with another scum member in order so that it doesn't really look like they are avoiding them and in order to gain any credibility later on in the game in case they get lynched. A quick summary of her filter is:
alot of talk with mocsta early on, asking ppls opinions on mocsta, I'm her second scum read, tries to make a terrible case on my meta, town read on Wos, goes a bit on vivax by sheeping WoS, again more questions about mocsta, JJD is town read, geript is weird as FU, votes on vivax, asks holy what thoughts on me are (was really random imo), backs off of vivax, jumps back onto me, lynched to death. (PS, she didn't unvote so dunno if her vote still went through, doesn't really matter, but hopefully someone can confirm if it counts or not so i know just in case for the future).

After going through this the only people who are on the list in the last paragraph are myself, mocsta, geript, and JJD. So I think from now on that these are the only people that should be left for town to analyze. I myself know I'm town so for me its down to only 3. But for everybody else I think that town should just focus on these atm as I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.

On an aside, I remember pretty well that suki jumped from a null read to suddenly number 2 read from mocsta... even more strange now that we know suki's alignment.


This is a really bad post but bad in a really townie sort of way IMO. It really reaffirms my read on you as noob town. I'll be really pissed if I'm wrong on this.
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 28 2014 07:22 GMT
#1846
On February 28 2014 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia.


Again, this just banks on the fact that mafia might actually be incompetent enough to allow two of their three members to be the ones with the highest votecounts for the first day of play, which is highly unlikely.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:26 GMT
#1847
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 07:26 GMT
#1848
On February 28 2014 16:22 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:
I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke


On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:
Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave


Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake.

Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)


Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.


Yes and no. In a highly polarized lynch like this one, TheChyz stands to lose quite a bit of standing if Mocsta flipped town while suki got out of it and he just came up with a reason to vote Mocsta; this way, he at the very least blends in while not harming the town. Suki was in a position where she was most likely going to get lynched no matter how you try to put it, especially if Mocsta flipped town. I want you to answer this question very honestly: If suki got out of that lynch alive, would you be telling Vivax to shoot her or, at the very least, be pushing hard to get her lynched tomorrow?

No, this is like super wrong. There's no way I'd let Moc die D1 over suki. Like I can be a real asshat but I hate losing more than anything else and my read on Moc has only gotten stronger. Like my reads post a while back was really good. Like it's way, way better to bus than go all in to save unless your only win chance is to all in.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 07:28 GMT
#1849
On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.

I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:29 GMT
#1850
On February 28 2014 16:28 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.

I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier.

Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible.
It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia.
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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 07:30 GMT
#1851
Cava I don't see what your problem is. I call you out on your inability to follow your own reads and only being able to sheep onto others' reads. You cave last minute and now you have the guts to call me out on taking credit for suki's kill and that I'm scum with her. Like you've been on my ass all game making shit arguments saying I don't respond when I have a few times and now when you do something really weak and flippy-floppy to get your vote OFF A GF you have the guts to say that its MY play thats scummy? Piss off.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:30 GMT
#1852
I also agree with your interpretation of Chyz' & Cav's latest posts geript.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 28 2014 07:31 GMT
#1853
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 07:32 GMT
#1854
On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.


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gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:33 GMT
#1855
On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.

Yes, i agree. That's why the mafia D1 lynch was horrible for them. That's exactly what i mean.
Whoever is scum with suki i know she is good enough to know to not lynch her if it's avoidable and she would tell that in scum QT. That's why Chyz is town too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:33 GMT
#1856
gumshoe is probably town too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
February 28 2014 07:33 GMT
#1857
or i mean most likely. more likely than others.
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 28 2014 07:33 GMT
#1858
On February 28 2014 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe is probably town too.


: D
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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
February 28 2014 07:35 GMT
#1859
On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.

Thanks for calling my post terrible and basically using almost all of the same confirmed townies that I listed aswell. ++ points to you
Cavalinho
Profile Joined February 2014
United States946 Posts
February 28 2014 07:35 GMT
#1860
On February 28 2014 16:30 TheChyz wrote:
Cava I don't see what your problem is. I call you out on your inability to follow your own reads and only being able to sheep onto others' reads. You cave last minute and now you have the guts to call me out on taking credit for suki's kill and that I'm scum with her. Like you've been on my ass all game making shit arguments saying I don't respond when I have a few times and now when you do something really weak and flippy-floppy to get your vote OFF A GF you have the guts to say that its MY play thats scummy? Piss off.


I never said you were scum with her. I'm saying that the reasoning behind my vote was shitty and the reason you told me my vote was shitty is also shitty because I wound up being completely right in the first place.

It's a big shitastrophe that starts with the fact that my reads were kind of garbage and that my townreads were the strongest things I had to work with.
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