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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to.
Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day?
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RayniI can't believe that is what u produced
I infiltrated town and was playing for end game.
No way the trajectories of this game are following the same path
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On February 28 2014 14:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 28 2014 14:12 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that. Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV. That's a lie In lxiv I was town In lxiv restart I only called buddies scum if Ppl I was close to was on them. Like your he did this once thing is annoying and completely is devoid of context U could argue I was wishy washy o. Suki because because IMA goon Or u could argue I was wishy washy on suki because everyone shit on me and called me scum resulting in a lack of confidence in my read I mean i dont het you at all rayn, if town but we can talk post game So much of how u r playing regarding me reminds me of GoT... Sigh I'm trying my hardest not to take it personal with my read on u, but u r making it difficult
Hes obviously town, no way scum rayn would just carelessly leave his vote on Suki at a time when her lynch is at all possible. Best move would be to stay the course, continue to discredit me, lynch you, easy day 1, hes done it before and he would have done it again if he was scum, but hes not, end of story,.
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On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day?
That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you.
Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
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On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to.
I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh.
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On February 28 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day? That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you. Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
Actually i am not sure this is even true because i still have not re-read so maybe i shut up before i have actually read what happened after my vote on suki.
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On February 28 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day? That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you. Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
He didnt just claim blue, he claimed vig, the only roll capable of proving its loyalty, it's like someone getting away with murder because they claim they're the second coming of christ and therefore they can do no wrong. Sadly I doubt any hopeful lepers will be cured this game.
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On February 28 2014 14:23 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh.
This has happened in the Quiet game where the lynch was between Mr.Cheesecake and Corazon on D1. Also in NMM where we piled on zarepath and when he fakeclaimed we decided to lynch Balla.
It's not that black and white, it depends on the stiuation and what actually happened and if scum can or can't do anything about it. Now i actually do shut up and go do the read so i even know what i am talking about. 
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On February 28 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:23 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh. This has happened in the Quiet game where the lynch was between Mr.Cheesecake and Corazon on D1. Also in NMM where we piled on zarepath and when he fakeclaimed we decided to lynch Balla. It's not that black and white, it depends on the stiuation and what actually happened and if scum can or can't do anything about it. Now i actually do shut up and go do the read so i even know what i am talking about.
Oks ( : (btw you should be tl mafias official historian.)
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zzz kill ppl not on suki, play adventure with me, relax, win game
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Ange is really town, like supertown. She basically says all the right things and not in a way she already knows what's going on.
gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens.
Wave is really feelyeyey! I like Wave a lot. Good Wave <3
Vivax will prove his claim tonight. If he is mafia he outs himself or they waste a roleblock on him as long as he is alive. Both are good for the town. If he claims he shot the same target mafia did, we lynch him no questions asked.
Toad never talks anything about suki. Worries me a bit. Like, it does line up with his scumreads on geript/Mocsta but to not talk anything at all about the other main lynch candidate is really odd. I have yet to read the SMB game and how Toad acted as town close to lynch. More to come on this.
Basically there is no way Vivax is fakeclaiming.
I have a man-crush on Wave. His posts are so cool, like supercoolio and feel-y.
geript is really bad, like really really bad, but i don't know if scummy.
Cavalinho's comment on Chyz pressuring him is weird. If there is "pressuring" on his vote on suki it's JJD and not Chyz, Chyz asked a simple question which btw is correct. Other than that, Chyz is really fucking scummy. Like "idk what to do with my vote, plz teammates help me".
One of Cavalinho / TheChyz is scum. I am really sure about it. Like really really sure. I just don't know which one yet. Mocsta gets a free pass for like until close to LYLO because JJD is also friggin scummy. Now it's still possible Mocsta was away, suki was away, and Cav/Chyz didn't know what to do and scum had no chance of pushing to vote into anything but 2 scum on the line, so my theory stands. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. But still possible. Anyways.
Vivax - you gotz to shoot into JJD/Cav/Chyz based on what they do on this night phase. One thing that speaks in Chyz' favor is that he indeed didn't save suki by voting Mocsta. So maybe don't shoot him after all, it's unlikely he is mafia unless Mocsta is. Other contenders for mafia are imo Toad and geript, in that order. gumshoe and Mocsta as wildcards that should be considered if something weird happens, but not for days. Just keep and eye on them. Next thing i do is gonna be the the Toad shit from SMB which i have been trying to do for like a day but the thread just keeps getting bigger so maybe i now have actual time to do so. Shame on you Broodwar, headache and sleep for that.
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On February 28 2014 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cavalinho's comment on Chyz pressuring him is weird. If there is "pressuring" on his vote on suki it's JJD and not Chyz, Chyz asked a simple question which btw is correct. Other than that, Chyz is really fucking scummy. Like "idk what to do with my vote, plz teammates help me".
One of Cavalinho / TheChyz is scum. I am really sure about it. Like really really sure. I just don't know which one yet. Mocsta gets a free pass for like until close to LYLO because JJD is also friggin scummy. Now it's still possible Mocsta was away, suki was away, and Cav/Chyz didn't know what to do and scum had no chance of pushing to vote into anything but 2 scum on the line, so my theory stands. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. But still possible. Anyways.)
Since when did JDD pressure me? He made a comment about lynching me after saying that he would be a better target than suki. I stand by the fact that I want both JDD and Chyz dead at some point. JDD only became a more apparent lynch as time went on, but I wanted Chyz gone since the start of the game.
The suki lynch was something I just plain wasn't sold on. I admit, it made me look pretty bad, and I made an impulsive move that makes me look worse than it should because I came to the wrong conclusion on my earlier case.
Back to what you were saying, I'd really like to talk a little bit more about TheChyz. I'm actually about to pull up some quotes and stuff from before the flip.
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Cavalinho i am interested why you read this:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.
HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two. And yet your vote is in suki.......?
..as "pressuring you into not voting suki", but this:
On February 28 2014 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Fair enough.
I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else.
I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki can we lynch this guy?
..is not?
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I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke
On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave
Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake.
Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)
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On February 28 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Cavalinho i am interested why you read this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.
HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two. And yet your vote is in suki.......? ..as "pressuring you into not voting suki", but this: Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Fair enough.
I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else.
I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki can we lynch this guy? ..is not? ???
Because the JJD comment was nothing more than blatant OMGUS when I mentioned him in that post, whereas Chyz actually came up with a relatively solid counterpoint for what I was doing, despite the fact that my vote was initially in the right place.
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Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.
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On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake. Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)
Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.
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On February 28 2014 14:32 Holyflare wrote:zzz kill ppl not on suki, play adventure with me, relax, win game
Even tho I think this was meant as a joke I think that ultimately this is what this game feels like. I don't think any of the scum have any of the votes on suki since there was not substantial votes on her until the end of the day. Also apart from that basically everybody who has voted for suki I read as being town. The only iffy one in there for me is gumshoe.
Even for the small posibility there is 1 of the scum that voted for suki, it can't be possible there was 2 (I'm assuming 3 scum at least since thats what it usually is, right?) voting for her. Therefore I think for now we treat those 5 as confirmed towns. Along with that vivax for now gets a confirmed town pass from most people (could change depending what happens after night is over). So the only people that should be left to analyze are myself, mocsta, geript, toad, cava, and JJD.
After reading suki's filter more closely I came with a few conclusions. As typical with scum, it is pretty normal for them to have some contact with another scum member in order so that it doesn't really look like they are avoiding them and in order to gain any credibility later on in the game in case they get lynched. A quick summary of her filter is:
alot of talk with mocsta early on, asking ppls opinions on mocsta, I'm her second scum read, tries to make a terrible case on my meta, town read on Wos, goes a bit on vivax by sheeping WoS, again more questions about mocsta, JJD is town read, geript is weird as FU, votes on vivax, asks holy what thoughts on me are (was really random imo), backs off of vivax, jumps back onto me, lynched to death. (PS, she didn't unvote so dunno if her vote still went through, doesn't really matter, but hopefully someone can confirm if it counts or not so i know just in case for the future).
After going through this the only people who are on the list in the last paragraph are myself, mocsta, geript, and JJD. So I think from now on that these are the only people that should be left for town to analyze. I myself know I'm town so for me its down to only 3. But for everybody else I think that town should just focus on these atm as I'm pretty sure one of them is scum.
On an aside, I remember pretty well that suki jumped from a null read to suddenly number 2 read from mocsta... even more strange now that we know suki's alignment.
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On February 28 2014 16:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.
Yay
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