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On February 28 2014 06:51 Vivax wrote:
Meh,might as well claim my full role. I'm vigilante, hence it isn't necessarily bad if scum rbs me, cause I might end up shooting a townie anyway.
I had such plans with HF cause he pissed me off, and hence I didn't say anything cause I wanted to shoot him out of the blue and have some laughs.
I was hoping for this, if mafia doesnt have an rber somehow then you can prove yourself ( : of all the claims this is the best one you could have, it's convenient, but whatever, doesn't hurt town to give you a literal shot.
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On February 28 2014 06:53 Vivax wrote:
Didn't care, I'll still shoot you if you keep getting on my nerves with asking stupid questions and dodging others.
lol as if (if you're telling the truth) scum would ever give you the chance.
The plus side to this is our other roles now have free reign, again if he's telling the truth.
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i don't dodge questions, the only one i dodged was the jjd/gumshoe one because i went to dinner and thought you were scum (I already explained why) so answering it would be futile when all i wanted you to do was write cases or defend yourself instead of asking everyone else questions because you weren't doing anything/solving anything
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Holy, reassure me before I go.
Why is suki the best lynch today?
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I remember HF asking me some questions about something, and after I answered he brought up those things again using them against me despite having been answered already.
Also, I found this at the time where he said he was conflicted cause suki voted for me and found it scummy:
On February 27 2014 12:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:43 Cavalinho wrote:Alright, back from my stint at the gym for today. Holyflare: large posts that say nothing other than a player is null to scummy with your spare limited time is scum tell enough, returning to the thread saying we have no focus is what i did in hogwarts (but with extra cases), i'm more than happy to start this shit now + joining the adventure game while questioning it (scooby doo scenarios ++++) take it from the heavyweight champ, i know what scum tells are
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##vote suki I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here. I want to believe you're town, but I don't understand your thought process when suki clearly hasn't been here for a large period of time. Furthermore, geript isn't modconfirmed town. What the fuck? Was that really what he got from the mod message from page 56? At any rate, this game is a bit of a mess. I'm going to ##unvote for the moment, and see if everything starts making any sense. Everyone is literally arguing in a circle. Let me spell this out for you. Mafia's main aim of the game is to mislynch players and try to fit in and get themselves town read. Suki starts the game IMO differently to how she normally played (ignore what other people say that she was, they are dumb), she wasn't accusatory, she wasn't trying to question, she wasn't trying to solve. She returns to the thread and the first thing she does is make a case on Mocsta who she had already been voting. Now, a townies mindset would be: 1. Think a person is scum 2. Outline to the thread and vote 3. Pressure, discuss and determine whether you are wrong or right. A scum trying to emulate this can't possibly make someone elaborate because the more they elaborate the more likely that person is to appear towny to everyone else and then you look worse, so how else to fit in? You post something that everyone can agree with. What happens from suki next? She posts a case on chyz, who everyone was on top of and who everyone was considering scummy. She's in the mode for making cases so she's forced out a case, the trouble is he didn't post much and so there's nothing much to call scummy, thus her case looks really really bad and her conclusion is "weak and scummy" rather than "scummy". Not only this but she doesn't try and question mocsta and chyz further and further to try and determine their alignments. Most of her questions are "what do you think of x or y" which is classic scum blending in too. Not only this but the town atmosphere is very good, lots of people were put under pressure and town reads are popping up everywhere, rayn points out in her town game how MORE people were getting read as scum in her game and she was happy with that but in this game her stance is completely reversed, what possible reason is there for a towny to say this? None. There is no scum hunting aspect and her posts have no general overlay to scum hunting. Scooby doo is because she joined the adventure mspaint game while questioning it, it's minor but proven to catch out scum.
Vivax also posted some stuff about her read flipping that made sense and i cba to bring it up so read it yourself.
On February 28 2014 00:02 Holyflare wrote:
oh snap, suki is voting vivax?
uber conflicted right now
He claims to like some of my arguments on suki...why doesn't he feel conflicted there but feels the need to express it when suki votes for me?
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On February 28 2014 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
again if he's telling the truth. He's telling the truth. Vig is the worst role to fakeclaim cause if there's a real vig he gets shot @ night.
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Also heaven help me, I'm starting to think Vivax may be telling the truth.
Your D2 had better be an improvement over today.
On February 28 2014 06:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 06:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
again if he's telling the truth. He's telling the truth. Vig is the worst role to fakeclaim cause if there's a real vig he gets shot @ night.
No he doesn't. If he gets shot he gets his own shot off. They have to rb him to stop that and as well to keep him on the table for a future mislynch.
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On February 28 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Holy, reassure me before I go.
Why is suki the best lynch today?
On February 27 2014 09:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:07 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 09:02 Vivax wrote:On February 27 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am kinda into Mocsta, geript idk, maybe gumshoe mafia? Did you compare gumshoe's meta to GSL? Feels a lot different to me. Agree on geript though. I'd throw WoS in there though, still gotta hear from ange7, and I wouldn't discount suki yet, but I still got to dive her filter. Did I miss anyone else? Well gumshoe has proven he is familiar with his meta and he just played scum with me in that game so he knows what i know. It's not impossible for him to intentionally "dumb down" his play from informed to "uninformed". yes suki is a questionmark aswell. 1: Nowhere in Vivax's post did he say I was "uninformed". I dont like how you made the distinction in my play be one of quality. Also you called my suki case bad, but consider her a question mark? I hate you this game Rayn T_T Your case on suki: Show nested quote +
As for Suki, I'm not sure I can share some of towns confidence in her, I think shes wrong on Moc, and her case on Chyz is basically just that hes weak. I read through his newbie game, he was mislynched on day 3 and his play was similar to this game, Suki coincidentally was in that game as well and yet shes choosing to read him as scummy, even though shes witnessed his shoddy town play first hand.
These sort of walk in, walk out try hard cases are exactly what I love to do as scum and I think I've found myself a kindred spirit, I'm voting for Suki for now.
is my case on suki: Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 03:44 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 27 2014 01:10 suki wrote:Case on TheChyzTheChyz comes in with a town read on Mocsta out of the blue saying 'it's the way you're playing'. He dodges my request for him to share his reads by saying 'I have some hunches', without elaborating. He starts pressuring Mocsta. Makes a bad case on JJD that he quickly gets off of. Says this: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 15:12 TheChyz wrote:
You guys can play having 1 scummy thing on someone and immediately call them mafia. I don't. Then votes geript with a pretty awful case. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:38 TheChyz wrote:kk. With geript I still have a problem of how he was so quick to say that rayn and toad couldn't be scum together. There was no explanation why he made that conclusion until I finally made him answer with On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind. All of these points are terrible. It seems more like he just put out some random statement and after being asked to answer on it it seems like he is backtracking. See how he goes to make several points. Not only does it seem like he is trying to be over defensive but that most of them are just a big pile of poop. Let's go over the points: 1) I don't even know what chummy means but it seems like the way you guys are acting early on. Again that doesn't really say anything and is something anybody can say about almost anything. 2) He is backtracking to a joke rayn made that makes him town? Well shit i think he just solved mafia. People making jokes = town. I don't understand the context but I believe that is irrelevant. 3) I don't even understand this one. Something again that rayn is towny to him. 4) Saying how its unlikely for something to happen which does not seem unlikely at all. In all of these points, NOTHING again answers why he think rayn and toad cannot be scum together. If anything it seems more like he is developing a rayn town read. This all seems like a load of backtracking and most likely hoping that he wouldn't get called out for his words before hand. Apart from that everything else just has no effort to even try and scum hunt. Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. ##Vote geript This case is really bad. Not only does he not explain how geript is scummy for any of his 'points', it seems like a big part of his case is 'I dont understand whats going on'. His entire case is based on geript's comment that rayn and toad cannot be scum together... Like, that's just weak. Show nested quote +Thought he was kinda scummy but not this scummy until re-reading his filter now. This conclusion just feels out of place. Like he's trying to explain why he didn't think geript was scummy before but now he does. "Making a story", as it were. TheChyz also seems to be pressuring Mocsta, but I have no idea what TheChyz's opinion of Mocsta is. At the beginning of the game he read Mocsta as town, now he seems to be neutral? Show nested quote +Also suki just rubbing me the wrong way with here weird defensiveness and interactions with mocsta. Not sure what but something from reading her filter just doesn't seem right. This is also really flaky. He's saying I look scummy but isn't trying to figure out what looks scummy. He thinks mocsta is suspicious but isn't making a decision. He made a weak case on geript off of one of geript's posts but doesn't seem to be commenting on other things that geript has done. Other people's cases on TheChyz In general I agree with other people's cases on TheChyz. I like JJD's case: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote:
JJd, since you are here.
Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.
(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall) Suki reads very town to me. Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like: - Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all. - He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic - I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. doesn't sit right. Like "I'm leaning scum" or even "He's null for me" would be a better qualifier for that sentence. I don't think Mocsta's case is that good. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:16 TheChyz wrote:
Ionno suki, are you going to come in and provide any attempt at reads or just ask questions all day long?
As per your question, I have hunches on some things, but nothing I feel is actually worth saying atm. Here, TheChyz casually queries Suki indicating that he does not share my read. The question posed will not provide any alignment indicative response either. I don't think TheChyz's question on me indicated that he didn't share Mocsta's read (that I was suspicious). I don't agree with: Show nested quote +The important thing to note is that previously TheChyz stated he would only comment if something is wroth commenting on. So why... is he so fixated on someone calling "Rayn/Toad" town.
He seems to refuse to accept they can both be town; yet, hasnt given a direct indication of his read on either player.
Very scummy. TheChyz hasn't indicated what he thinks of Rayn or Toad's alignment which is weird but not scummy. His case on geript was independent of his read on rayn/toad. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:31 TheChyz wrote:
Typo seen ^ *gumshoe is currently set to be lynched*. Just found that funny since so much talk has been about him
This is a guy that is intentionally trying to dodge giving out any insight AND THAT is scummy. I can understand the point that it is trying to dodge giving insight while commenting on gumshoe. I can see it as a townie 'haha i found it funny'. I can see it as a scummy 'lets talk about things but not really'. I see that Mocsta has pinned it as scummy behaviour. Show nested quote +In summary:
Overall, TheChyz arguments have been weak and offer no insight into his thought process.
He is calling out people prematurely (e.g. Holyflare + Rayn/Toad) yet doesnt indicatve whether he reads those players town or scum.
He also prematurely calls me town when not under fire for my scumhunting, yet doesnt seem to support my reads.
Lastly, he goes out of his way to dodge questions (e.g. to Suki). I find it funny that Mocsta's summary points 1 and 2 can be used to describe his play this game. I don't see how, on its own, Mocsta's points establish that TheChyz's play has been scum motivated. Other people have posted cases but I'm out of time this morning  - - - SUMMARYI think the word to describe TheChyz's play is "weak". There are plenty of contradictions in his words and actions. He seems to have no inclination to scum hunt, but every inclination to throw suspicion on people. I'm leaning towards scummy on him.Scummy things: 1. random defense of mocsta out of nowhere 2. not being transparent with reads, not straight up saying 'this person is scummy' (except geript but that case sucks) 3. not pushing his scum reads. 4. Seemingly not interested in finding scum. I know rayn and some other people brought up cases against TheChyz, and when I read through them in my catch-up I generally agreed with them. There are some points that were brought up that are not in this case that do make TheChyz look scummy. Mocsta being so adamant on TheChyz makes me doubt that both of them are scum together. TheChyz recently has spent effort talking with Mocsta, which, given his weak play, I find unlikely to happen if they were scumbuddies. Also no reason for a hard bus at this point. mmm... I'll have to think about this one. There's still half a day left so plenty of time for both players to contribute. Do you always write at such length to come to the conclusion of "weak"? Why waste your time writing all that just to say that he might be or might not be scum when you could be spending it coming to something conclusive, like pressuring him as I've seen you do in your other games.
On February 27 2014 11:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think Mocsta's feel-mojo is getting in the way of my feels.
Rayn's original points are mostly good.
Want to see Mocsta's answer to his stuff from last page large posts that say nothing other than a player is null to scummy with your spare limited time is scum tell enough, returning to the thread saying we have no focus is what i did in hogwarts (but with extra cases), i'm more than happy to start this shit now + joining the adventure game while questioning it (scooby doo scenarios ++++) take it from the heavyweight champ, i know what scum tells are  ##unvote
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On February 27 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:25 Vivax wrote:Nevermind, it was more at the bottom than I figured it would be. On February 27 2014 00:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 00:25 suki wrote:
Although since you're here, mind going over why you think rayn is scum? And explaining your flip flop on gumshoe. Suki, Im a feel player. Every town game, ppl call me scum for not being consistent and not understanding that my ranking system isnt equivalent to everyone elses. Regarding Rayn: Again, its a feel read, and not a priority for me this cycle - hence why i havnt gone into detail. Note, Rayn didnt query this either. Regarding Gumshoe: I can't remember. His posts on the read through seemed OK with me and not as "dramatic" as others were pointing out. e.g. stuff like the martyring felt contextually fine to discuss. Ok., this made you go town then, guess I'll roll with the explanation. HF you are ready to scumread suki for saying that the atmosphere is shit? Frankly I see that as something subjective and cause you said it as scum doesn't mean that town can't feel that way. At least that's what I think is the core of your argument. What mindset comes to the thread and posts a scum case (on mocsta) and then another case because mocsta talked about thechyz that ended up calling thechyz just "weak and scummy maybe but i'll look into it" it was a giant wall of text that eventually said nothing based on a very small amount of posts that has 0 followup. Rayn just pointed out how suki played as town in a previous game and she returns to the thread and says things are going wrong? No. that's not what a towny does, the more people that are in the spotlight the better because people react differently under pressure, in no way shape or form is this a bad town atmosphere, it's very good right now and we're pretty on track to a pool of players IMO. + scooooobbbyyyy dooooo just trust me, i'm the heavyweight champion
On February 27 2014 12:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:43 Cavalinho wrote:Alright, back from my stint at the gym for today. Holyflare: large posts that say nothing other than a player is null to scummy with your spare limited time is scum tell enough, returning to the thread saying we have no focus is what i did in hogwarts (but with extra cases), i'm more than happy to start this shit now + joining the adventure game while questioning it (scooby doo scenarios ++++) take it from the heavyweight champ, i know what scum tells are
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##vote suki I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here. I want to believe you're town, but I don't understand your thought process when suki clearly hasn't been here for a large period of time. Furthermore, geript isn't modconfirmed town. What the fuck? Was that really what he got from the mod message from page 56? At any rate, this game is a bit of a mess. I'm going to ##unvote for the moment, and see if everything starts making any sense. Everyone is literally arguing in a circle. Let me spell this out for you. Mafia's main aim of the game is to mislynch players and try to fit in and get themselves town read. Suki starts the game IMO differently to how she normally played (ignore what other people say that she was, they are dumb), she wasn't accusatory, she wasn't trying to question, she wasn't trying to solve. She returns to the thread and the first thing she does is make a case on Mocsta who she had already been voting. Now, a townies mindset would be: 1. Think a person is scum 2. Outline to the thread and vote 3. Pressure, discuss and determine whether you are wrong or right. A scum trying to emulate this can't possibly make someone elaborate because the more they elaborate the more likely that person is to appear towny to everyone else and then you look worse, so how else to fit in? You post something that everyone can agree with. What happens from suki next? She posts a case on chyz, who everyone was on top of and who everyone was considering scummy. She's in the mode for making cases so she's forced out a case, the trouble is he didn't post much and so there's nothing much to call scummy, thus her case looks really really bad and her conclusion is "weak and scummy" rather than "scummy". Not only this but she doesn't try and question mocsta and chyz further and further to try and determine their alignments. Most of her questions are "what do you think of x or y" which is classic scum blending in too. Not only this but the town atmosphere is very good, lots of people were put under pressure and town reads are popping up everywhere, rayn points out in her town game how MORE people were getting read as scum in her game and she was happy with that but in this game her stance is completely reversed, what possible reason is there for a towny to say this? None. There is no scum hunting aspect and her posts have no general overlay to scum hunting. Scooby doo is because she joined the adventure mspaint game while questioning it, it's minor but proven to catch out scum. Vivax also posted some stuff about her read flipping that made sense and i cba to bring it up so read it yourself.
On February 28 2014 00:02 Holyflare wrote:
oh snap, suki is voting vivax?
uber conflicted right now
(after sheeping sentiment)
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Also what I found scummy about HF is the way he keeps treating the game light heartedly, like you can tell from his persisting jokey posts. Taking things kinda less seriously over prolonged time is something I see as scum tell.
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Dude, scum play 101, if there is a rber he can just rb and kill targets every day and fake claim rb if he's scum so no it doesn't confirm him.
Also, @vivax, you pointed out an inconsistancy in her reads, am i suddenly supposed to be conflicted on my other scum read because of it? Not really. I was only conflicted when she voted you after sheeping sentiment because then it looked bad but these are 2 unflipped players we're talking about so it meant nothing. Now you've claimed blue so it looks even worse.
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On February 28 2014 06:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Holy, reassure me before I go.
Why is suki the best lynch today?
Called town atmosphere bad, because from her perspective as scum, we werent getting anywhere closer to the truth. Whereas the atmosphere was honestly pretty great.
Thinks Chyz's play is weak, doesnt take into account his only other game wherein he was mislynched by her for weak play. When she does take it into account it magically supports her initial case.
Found Jar Jar's play highly townie when pressed on it, didnt bother mentioning his blind devotion until that very moment.
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He often pops in and pokes players with often jokey posts.
Not to mention that his scumreads perfectly seem to reflect town sentiment, and he seems very reluctant to vote mocsta after the early vote.
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On February 28 2014 07:02 Holyflare wrote:
Dude, scum play 101, if there is a rber he can just rb and kill targets every day and fake claim rb if he's scum so no it doesn't confirm him.
Also, @vivax, you pointed out an inconsistancy in her reads, am i suddenly supposed to be conflicted on my other scum read because of it? Not really. I was only conflicted when she voted you after sheeping sentiment because then it looked bad but these are 2 unflipped players we're talking about so it meant nothing. Now you've claimed blue so it looks even worse.
For sure, but again all this is null, worst case scenario, he claims rb, we lynch him tomorrow. Best case, double night kill, we know hes town. Simple as that.
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Alright ladies and gents, I'm basically out for the night until well after deadline.
Keep up the pace, may all of our flips be red.
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Guys, I'm leaving now. Might have another look before I fall asleep but I won't be there for deadline. If there is anything I need to address, tell me now.
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On February 28 2014 07:03 Vivax wrote:
He often pops in and pokes players with often jokey posts.
Not to mention that his scumreads perfectly seem to reflect town sentiment, and he seems very reluctant to vote mocsta after the early vote.
I made this town sentiment, are you even reading the thread?
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On February 28 2014 07:04 Ange777 wrote:
Guys, I'm leaving now. Might have another look before I fall asleep but I won't be there for deadline. If there is anything I need to address, tell me now.
Yeah, vote Moc pls.
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On February 28 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 07:03 Vivax wrote:
He often pops in and pokes players with often jokey posts.
Not to mention that his scumreads perfectly seem to reflect town sentiment, and he seems very reluctant to vote mocsta after the early vote. I made this town sentiment, are you even reading the thread?
Do you have a helmet?
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for?
is this titanic 2 again?
are you corazon in disguise?
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lol that was actually funny
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