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Holyflare
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JarJarDrinks
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WaveofShadow
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On February 28 2014 05:57 Holyflare wrote: is geript not coming back before deadline? He might but he's made it extremely clear that he's throwing his vote away now and for the foreseeable future (with some possible movement to suki or some shit?) JJD: I'll read it, but I can't say I'm going to be supporting a gumshoe lynch at this time. Vivax, you haven't answered my question. What is it you would say you've been doing for the past few hours? I may open the floor to this question to other people. Maybe not Holy though. | ||
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gumshoe
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On February 28 2014 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.". And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first. Suki TheChyz are you going to say anything else or just come in and randomly townread Mocsta? February 26 2014 11:09. Posts 1142 I'm heading to bed. Mocsta is still my #1, I don't like TheChyz dodging my question and just sort of actively lurking. February 26 2014 12:12. Jar jar Suki reads very town to me. Chyz does actually read very scummy to me after a reread. Few things I don't like: - Like gumshoe, he called you town early when I don't think you were acting townish @ all. - He sheeped geripts case on me and while I think geript legit misread my post, it kinda felt like chyz was being opportunistic - I agree w/ the notion that someone acting scummy does not automatically make that person a scumread. But the way he worded it February 26 2014 22:50. Your reads align with Suki's, you think Suki is town. There is undeniably a connection here, wether your just sheeping her or your both scum, regardless pretty sure your scum. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote: Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one. Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on. caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances this in particular | ||
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Vivax
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gumshoe
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On February 28 2014 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK first off I'm pretty sure you're wrong and I was on Chyz first. But even if I wasn't, there was several other people on him. Why would you say I sheeped her specifically? And how does that 1 incident equate to "Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you.". And again, don't just say stuff. Please post examples. Because I think ur wrong that she was on chyz first. I dont find jumping on safe cases(me, chyz, moc) and giving out an unsubstantiated town read to be exemplary play, the fact that Suki does is bads. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 28 2014 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: Summary of my gumshoe case since I didn't get many responses and he's ignored it and is again spouting the same nonsense: Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum? I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame. And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo. I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me. I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point. | ||
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Vivax
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WaveofShadow
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On February 28 2014 06:03 Vivax wrote: Hey WoS how sure are you from 1 to 10 that I'm scum? Oo look at you, you smart scummer you. Jumping immediately on my 'lack of confidence' in being a town leader. I'm not marv, and I don't give out 100% reads. There's always a chance I could be wrong, but I feel pretty damn f-ing good. I'd go 8 right now, and that's certainly more than I'd give to any other lynch right now. You going to answer my question? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On February 28 2014 06:04 Vivax wrote: Also to answer your question first: I've been playing the game. Ah so you did. And as town, what does 'playing the game,' entail? | ||
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Vivax
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JarJarDrinks
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On February 28 2014 05:46 gumshoe wrote: Also as scum it's your job to spot trends and run ahead of them, of course you would choose to flip flop on Suki before she becomes public enemy number one. And again you're misrepresenting things. You're making it look like all of a sudden suki became a top scumread of mine. All I said was I was starting to suspect she was your scumbuddy. It's like I'm pushing for her to be lynched. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 28 2014 06:01 Holyflare wrote: i'd be happy with vivax/suki lynch so whatevs is cool, vivax aint been doing shit but asking people for their reads for the past few hours: + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2014 03:18 Holyflare wrote: Vivax i'm reading your filter and looking at everything you've posted about mocsta, it all leads to "he's playing passive" with no real push and therefore you've classified him as scum, I see no real push yourself on mocsta, no real basis for pushing this read over everyone else in the game that has been pushed. You've questioned him sure but no proper conclusions were drawn, no attempt to rationalise whether what he was doing was coming from a towny standpoint or a scummy one. Gumshoe took a stance that mocsta's play was town mocsta, whereas you took the stance to mean that it's scum mocsta but then you criticise gumshoe for coming to a conclusion on his play like you have also done. Even now, the town atmosphere seems to be on top of you and you're directing people mocsta's way and getting THEM to explain it rather than saving yourself by pointing out exactly what makes him scum. Even now you're trying to make me elaborate on things that i've already elaborated on. caval, vivax only has 3 votes on him with 6 hours left in the day, in no way is that indicative of a lynch on a towny and the lack of defence on him is not indicative either, look specifically at his play rather than what other people are doing because i have seen people defend him earlier on in the thread and when people that look towny rayn/wos/me start posting our intentions on possible vivax lynches then that is where you look for people that sheep after we state our stances this in particular Damn it Holy that's why I said not youuuuuu | ||
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Vivax
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WaveofShadow
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On February 28 2014 06:05 Vivax wrote: No but I can tell that you're either awful at reading me or scum. I'm a blue. I was wondering when this was going to come up. So, with only two votes on you right now, you feel it necessary to claim? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 28 2014 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote: He might but he's made it extremely clear that he's throwing his vote away now and for the foreseeable future (with some possible movement to suki or some shit?) JJD: I'll read it, but I can't say I'm going to be supporting a gumshoe lynch at this time. Vivax, you haven't answered my question. What is it you would say you've been doing for the past few hours? I may open the floor to this question to other people. Maybe not Holy though. reading your case on vivax, getting angry because of geript, re-reading that whole mocsta bullshit, getting angry again because of geript, putting my vote on geript because he keeps on spouting bullshit, openly claims he won't stop and you people tell me geript is town for being mighty emotional when it's clear that he has planned to play like that for the last 48hours because he WAS GIVEN the chance to cool down and threw it out of the window... I really don't think I'll be able to bring myself to reading anything else tonight with all this shit going on, so if you want my vote on anyone else than geript / mocsta, make sure to explain it like I'm a 5 year old because I won't bother to filterdive. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Off the bat JJD I disagree. I've seen gumshoe as confident as you say he can't possibly be---and then you say his confidence is similar to GSL in which he was scum? I believe it was Persona (fucking horrible game for me) where he was just as confident and was town. You're contradicting yourself as well if you're saying he couldn't be this confident as town and then point out his high confidence in a scumgame. And what you're calling misrepresenting doesn't really have much of a scum agenda behind it imo. I think there's a little too much preflip association as well going on between the two of you, especially from gumshoe's side and it's bad---reeks more of confirmation bias than anything to me. I'm not ruling out the possibility that either one of you is scum right now, but based on what I've seen I don't think I'd be remiss to think this could very well be town-on-town. In either case I am not convinced to vote either of you one way or another, and I highly doubt anyone else will be at this point. Oks, I'm totes fine with lynching Suki after this, I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread . Makes me feel pretty certain that Jar was prepping for a red flip on Suki, so yeah I am now confident thier scum together( as opposed to Jar just sheeping her because he knows shes town) and after we lynch suki I can always get Jar via association. ##Unovte ##Vote: Suki | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 28 2014 06:07 Toadesstern wrote: reading your case on vivax, getting angry because of geript, re-reading that whole mocsta bullshit, getting angry again because of geript, putting my vote on geript because he keeps on spouting bullshit, openly claims he won't stop and you people tell me geript is town for being mighty emotional when it's clear that he has planned to play like that for the last 48hours because he WAS GIVEN the chance to cool down and threw it out of the window... I really don't think I'll be able to bring myself to reading anything else tonight with all this shit going on, so if you want my vote on anyone else than geript / mocsta, make sure to explain it like I'm a 5 year old because I won't bother to filterdive. I don't think he's town for being emotional. I even said he's perfectly capable of doing that as scum. I think he's town for playing like an absolute idiot, which he only really seems to do in his town games. (See LXII for example.) I think it would be particularly odd of him to revert to a much older meta of his as scum to try and show us he was town. | ||
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