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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:29 Vivax wrote: What happened to your suki scum read. A lot of your bad cases on JJD are based on them being scum together and showing their connections. Hasnt gone anywhere, it's just that lynching Jar is functionally the same as lynching Suki, whereas you are a different avenue entirely. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:28 Vivax wrote: And the point you want to make is? If somebody is scum depends on whether he tunnels or not? i'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick headed, you said his emotion makes him towny, I said there is evidence it doesn't and that's not a town tell anyway but then you somehow relate it to a meta read on geripts tunnel...? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Mocsta (1) - geript (2) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (1) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (1) - Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:31 Vivax wrote: And with that I mean: How did you go from this to this Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. | ||
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geript
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:32 Holyflare wrote: i'm not sure if you're being intentionally thick headed, you said his emotion makes him towny, I said there is evidence it doesn't and that's not a town tell anyway but then you somehow relate it to a meta read on geripts tunnel...? You think he was emotional in that game? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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gumshoe
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote: because YOU'RE the one seperating your reads. you can't just say "I still think your all scum" and then say "Well I refuse to talk to JJD because I have him as more scummy than vivax"Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:34 gumshoe wrote: Whats changed? I still think your all scum. You must be pretty desperate to be nitpicking this hard. Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: I know Jar Jar to be a tunneller as town, he sticks to his reads, but this game hes bounced everywhere and several influential players have given him a pass on it. He starts fires where ever he can and hopes they catch. When they dont, he moves on until something sticks, but hes always willing to backtrack. In bluez light mafia, he bounced back between Oats , TOFU, TAA gemorpit, Vivax, jkirby, Corazon, tangeng, in efforts to get any one of them lynched, and I'm seeing the makings of that same capriciousness in this game. Find me examples for the bolded, cause the hyperbole you use for him jumping around doesn't really reflect in his filter. He voted Chyz, then unvoted saying his posts looked townie. Now he's on your ass. That's all I gained from his filter and it doesn't look like he's jumping around like crazy like you say. Most of your case against JJD is something that could be used against you and your irrational certainty of Mocsta's alignment. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:36 gumshoe wrote: Ok, lets play it this way, instead of just pointing to a meaningless inconsistency, tell me why my upping you to number 2 of 3 while still holding you all together as scum makes me scum, or why I would do that as scum. I want motive, otherwise all your doing is scape goating. Or you could simply explain how you set those priorities. My guess is that it depends on the likelihood of one of them getting lynched. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
I'll be back before deadline if i wake up. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote: Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: Find me examples for the bolded, cause the hyperbole you use for him jumping around doesn't really reflect in his filter. He voted Chyz, then unvoted saying his posts looked townie. Now he's on your ass. That's all I gained from his filter and it doesn't look like he's jumping around like crazy like you say. Most of your case against JJD is something that could be used against you and your irrational certainty of Mocsta's alignment. Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote: There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler +Dude, there's one part in your case that doesn't assume JJD and suki are scum together: On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing. On February 28 2014 03:33 gumshoe wrote: Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread.Also I would describe Jar Jar's play as mediocre at best, hes mostly just sheeped you. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:47 Vivax wrote: Or you could simply explain how you set those priorities. My guess is that it depends on the likelihood of one of them getting lynched. You are the one accusing me, dont twist the question, if you cant answer it then it means you dont actually believe I'm scum, your just pushing me because you saw something to push. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: suki I'll be back before deadline if i wake up. Please read my gumshoe case | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:51 gumshoe wrote: Hes been on and off Moc, Me and Chyz and he just back traked on Suki as well. My irrational certainty of Mocsta is based off a games worth of experience with him together as scum, Jar's faith in Suki was based off one post and as the heat mounted onto her he forgoed her as well. Oh and that one piece of my case saying theyre not scum together is exactly why I would prefer to not lynch Suki before him or you. Shes still probally scum, and I'll gladly vote for her, I'm just making preferences clear. I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: There's more than 1 part. Several times he uses terms like "buddy up" and "sheep" which just doesn't work when talking about scumbuddies. Furthermore it's just not true @ all as I proved when I shot down his case here:+ Show Spoiler + On February 27 2014 23:11 JarJarDrinks wrote: First off his case against me is garbage. He says things like I'm buddying to Suki even though he supposedly has us both as scum teammates. He selectively pulls quotes from my posts to make me look bad. Like he spends a ton of time talking about how I'm all in w/ sukiThat's alll from his case against me. I think he mentioned suki more in that one post then I have the entire thread. All I said about her was how I thought Moc made a bad case against her and then later on when Moc asked me what I thought about her I said she read town to me. Gumshoe is completely misrepresenting my play. Read my filter and tell me if you think "much of [My] style has been mostly determined by an uncanny devotion to Suki." It's a total horseshit case. And then he didn't even acknowledge that I totally proved his case wrong and again says the same thing.Then when I question him about it, he says he's not gonna talk to me cause I'm his #1 scumread. I dont think you shut me down, your counter didnt convince me, you backed up suki purely because she was your scum partner, suki ignored your ridicules support because she was afraid asosciating with her scum buddy, only calling you out as townie when pressed. That looks like scum dynamic to me. We can talk but your just going to deny everything I say, because your scum, thats why I'll argue about it with others(players like Vivax might reveal himself by defending you), but I wont talk about it with you, cause your not going to give anything more than I already know. Where did you get the name Jar from? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. I have infered why he switches, he does so to help Suki and start fires, he backs off when hes scared of ascociating or when he thinks that person wont get lynched. I dont need him to tell me that and hes not going to tell me that. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On February 28 2014 04:56 Vivax wrote: I've been on you, Moc, geript, WoS and whatnot. HF has been on another shitload of people. Rayn has been on another shitload of people. Are Toad and geript supertownie just cause they only bark at each other? It's an awful explanation for somebody being scum if you don't show HOW those switches have been scummy. And you won't know if those switches were scummy if you don't ask jarjar how he changed his mind on these subjects. Which would be the next step. Your scum, so lets rule you out, Rayn, Wos and Holy work through their suspiciouns via dialogue, backing off at times that make no sense, especially because they create most of thier own suspicions in the first place, unlike Jar who goes baah. | ||
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