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On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right?
I agree with rayn saying take a break.
This is completely unwarranted---like...I've seen Rayn go all ego. This isn't it.
Like not even close.
And I'm kinda pissed at him for ignoring my shit while entertaining basically EVERYTHING else but that's not ego.
Does it really look like Rayn isn't still trying to figure out what's going re: Suki/Mocsta?
Speaking of ignoring my shit, Geript you didn't even read anything I wrote so I'm going to return the favour.
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On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand?
If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.
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Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
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On February 27 2014 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Speaking of ignoring my shit, Geript you didn't even read anything I wrote so I'm going to return the favour.
No, I read it. But this Vivax isn't all bullshiazazzly confusiony. He's like all bullshazazzly stupid weird reasoning. Like the former is his scum play from memory and the later is his town play from memory.
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On February 27 2014 11:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. No, Mocs town. Vivax town. Suki new. Calvininho is new. So there's 4 people to vote for and 1 is 100% scum. [/b]
Geript quick response please without re-reading thread, is there any other reason as to why toad is scum apart from that 1 interaction with rayn early on?
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Regardless of how many fucking times he rolls scum in a row.
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On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum.
I agree that it's nothing like some of his scum games but that's not the points anyone is picking him up on, why does he have to troll/give up/be angry just because he rolled scum again? maybe he'd try hard in this game, maybe not? why are you only giving your town read to him and ignoring everything he's done in this game just because he's playing like he was elated despite him doing scummy things?
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On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will.
gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)".
That makes absolutely no sense.
I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything.
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On February 27 2014 12:12 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:57 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. No, Mocs town. Vivax town. Suki new. Calvininho is new. So there's 4 people to vote for and 1 is 100% scum. Geript quick response please without re-reading thread, is there any other reason as to why toad is scum apart from that 1 interaction with rayn early on? [/b]
Yah, there's also the fact about how he's addressing the case; like when you're pushing any wagon you should always be both evaluating the wagon, the people joining it and the people criticizing it simultaneously. Like Your +1 vote with really bad reasoning which is entirely separate from his line of reasoning should've been a warning sign; in the very least, he should've known your argument and either corrected it or used it to support his. Like when made the "When Geript flips red then I'll look at Chyz" post, it was so super scummy and even HF commented on it. There's also the fact that this doesn't feel in any way like town on town conflict.
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On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post?
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On February 27 2014 12:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:04 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 11:59 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 11:49 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 27 2014 11:41 gumshoe wrote:
1: Find me an exact quote where he renounces specifically his initial suspicion of her post. On February 26 2014 17:29 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Mocsta why does your read on suki end up in null after a reread and then boombadaboom it's suddenly top 2 town? I like her attitude after my callout. I dont think a scum Suki had any need to maintain thread presence after I was getting hammered. Also, on a reread, I agreed with JJD that Suki was actually relatively light hearted.I completely misread that her dig on Toad was a retort to Toad calling her out, for example. There one or two other minor things, but I dont think its important to discuss them right now. There is a difference between conceding that someone isn't scum because of one post, and believing so firmly in their townieness as a result of that null at best opening, that one is willing to literally orient their play around that person alignment. I am going to answer this. What the fuck are you doing? Fuck you man, I dont wanna hear shit from you, your so fucking blind it scares me, how the fuck can you believe that Moc is scum after the game that you just hydrad with him!? The two play styles are totally different. You should be the one defending him honestly, yet your so caught up in your own massive ego that even when you realize how scummy suki is, you still wont give up on Moc, cause that would mean you were wrong wouldnt it? And we cant have that now can we, cause thats never happened before right? you argued that mocsta was happy at the start of the game which you aligned with him being town, he's put under pressure with 24 hours remaining and all but concedes with a list post and how he is unhappy/now demotivated so why is he so town for it, I don't understand? If I was angry about rolling scum every game, I would troll to make up the difference in enjoyment and when If I finally did roll town I would be elated and of course to be all but declared scum soon after would crush me. Mocsta's melancholy makes absolute sense in my eyes. There is also a difference between conceding as a depressed townie and rage quiting as scum, he offers us a list he absolutely doesnt have to, scum Moc would just say "fuck this town, everyone so bad" and not offer us more reads to go off. Moc is not in a place to put this much effort into a game as scum, hes not scum, stop calling him scum. I agree that it's nothing like some of his scum games but that's not the points anyone is picking him up on, why does he have to troll/give up/be angry just because he rolled scum again? maybe he'd try hard in this game, maybe not? why are you only giving your town read to him and ignoring everything he's done in this game just because he's playing like he was elated despite him doing scummy things?
I had a good feel on Moc's state of mind after Gsl, I personally was fine with his posting in this game, if you want me to answer the arguments raised against him I will one after another.
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On February 27 2014 12:18 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also gumshoe has no fucking idea what he is talking about when he is talking about Mocsta's play in GSL IV. We played pretty normally on D1. Only after our fucking scumteam decided to lurk the shit out of the game and half of the town did the same thing we decided the game was boring and started posting shit, Mocsta scumclaimed etc. The last game has nothing to do with Mocsta's meta because the game was shit and we were bored. Mocsta has never ever played like that game as mafia and he probably never will. gumshoe makes an argument. JJD answers the argument. gumshoe asks him to elaborate more on his answer. JJD proves his statement. gumshoe says "no that was not my argument, in fact it was this (something else)". That makes absolutely no sense. I never changed my argument, point out how I did, I just realized that Mocsta taking back his case doesn't change anything. Then why did you ask me to find the post?
Cause I couldnt, didnt really matter to me anyways, I just like to make you work on something other than destroying town and murdering its babies.
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On February 27 2014 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:10 suki wrote:On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason.
What does that achieve? Just wanna play  I miss mafia. Sorry Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it? Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail? There was nothing to respond to U created two situations where I must be scum only I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already I want you to answer specifically these things: [1.] How did you end up in a conclusion you presented about me-Toad eariler on in the game. Can you show me some examples from earlier games you think supports your argument? Me thinking someone is good/bad has nothing to do with me not being able to form a read on them and honeslty what you said reads only as you trying to shit on me-Toad for no reason, unless you can actually provide some examples that back up your thought process.
[2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town?
Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this: [3.] Why did you have a scumread on me early on?
1. My personal assessment of your character
2. My attention is very diverted this game cos of real life. Hence what I think about things changes when I reread. Yes I'm guilty of outputting low formed thoughts.
3. Mainly because u approached early game ignoring me. I expected u to spend a lot of time on me given we were just hydraed.
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Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving.
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On February 27 2014 05:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? I think he's town but that's only based on his post about having to go to his computer to post or something. WaveofShadowHolyflare gumshoe Ange777 ToadessternCavalinho JarJarDrinks TheChyz soft tho suki raynpelikoneetMocsta soft tho Vivax GeriptSo what do yout hink about suki and gumshoe? I haven't really looked at them.
On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum [/b]
How did your read on change from nulls on both HF and JJD to a possible vote? Like apart from the random vote early on JJD you haven't really talked about these 2 much but suddenly they fall under the people you are ok lynching. Your thought process is abysmal. Explain
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On February 27 2014 12:25 Balla24 wrote:
Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving.
Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks.
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On February 27 2014 12:25 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:52 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? I think he's town but that's only based on his post about having to go to his computer to post or something. WaveofShadowHolyflare gumshoe Ange777 ToadessternCavalinho JarJarDrinks TheChyz soft tho suki raynpelikoneetMocsta soft tho Vivax GeriptSo what do yout hink about suki and gumshoe? I haven't really looked at them. Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum How did your read on change from nulls on both HF and JJD to a possible vote? Like apart from the random vote early on JJD you haven't really talked about these 2 much but suddenly they fall under the people you are ok lynching. Your thought process is abysmal. Explain [/b]
Nah it's really not. Like, I have pretty solid townreads on most everyone else so theres like 4 people I can vote for so that makes it really easy.
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On February 27 2014 12:26 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:25 Balla24 wrote:
Please cool it with the personal attacks. Thanks. Reminder not to play mafia while driving. Sweet. I just got modconfirmed town. THanks.
I would like to add that nothing is sweeter than being modconfirmed town except when you're scum who's modconfirmed town; like that's really super sweet.
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On February 27 2014 12:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 10:10 suki wrote:On February 27 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And not only that suki, but instead of providing a direction you only come here to shit on the town for no reason.
What does that achieve? Just wanna play I miss mafia. Sorry Now what does you missing mafia (whatever that might mean) have to do with what the rest of the town is doing and you misrepresenting it? On February 27 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On February 27 2014 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta can you actually answer the points i have raised against you in more detail? There was nothing to respond to U created two situations where I must be scum only I'm. Not.. So didn't understand your points and responded accordingly already I want you to answer specifically these things: [1.] How did you end up in a conclusion you presented about me-Toad eariler on in the game. Can you show me some examples from earlier games you think supports your argument? Me thinking someone is good/bad has nothing to do with me not being able to form a read on them and honeslty what you said reads only as you trying to shit on me-Toad for no reason, unless you can actually provide some examples that back up your thought process.
[2.] I don't understand how you read suki's posts three times and end up in a different conclusion every time. Which time you didn't read closely, because i can't believe you read someone closely enough to make a big post on them but not closely enough that after a re-read you form a different opinion on them. After your last re-read, which are the posts from suki that outweigh the earlier scummy posts from her so much that you are confident enough to call her town?
Now Mocsta, i know you know how to make people think about certain way of you when you are mafia. You appeal to emotion a lot because you know what people want to hear. Based on suki's case on you it's totally possible that you changed your read on her just to throw her off you, which apparently worked out if you are mafia and she is town. The fact that you call me town now, it does not work, and i also want ot hear this: [3.] Why did you have a scumread on me early on?
1. My personal assessment of your character 2. My attention is very diverted this game cos of real life. Hence what I think about things changes when I reread. Yes I'm guilty of outputting low formed thoughts. 3. Mainly because u approached early game ignoring me. I expected u to spend a lot of time on me given we were just hydraed.
Well this is not detailed enough answer for me.
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On February 27 2014 11:57 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
Toadscum So....completely devoid of any care as to what the thread is doing right now. Useful. No, Mocs town. Vivax town. Suki new. Calvininho is new. So there's 4 people to vote for and 1 is 100% scum.
On February 27 2014 12:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:25 TheChyz wrote:On February 27 2014 05:52 geript wrote:On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? I think he's town but that's only based on his post about having to go to his computer to post or something. WaveofShadowHolyflare gumshoe Ange777 [red]Toadesstern Cavalinho JarJarDrinks TheChyz soft tho suki raynpelikoneetMocsta soft tho Vivax GeriptSo what do yout hink about suki and gumshoe? I haven't really looked at them. On February 27 2014 11:40 geript wrote:
So I can vote for the following peeps:
HF
Gummybear
JJD
[red]Toadscum How did your read on change from nulls on both HF and JJD to a possible vote? Like apart from the random vote early on JJD you haven't really talked about these 2 much but suddenly they fall under the people you are ok lynching. Your thought process is abysmal. Explain Nah it's really not. Like, I have pretty solid townreads on most everyone else so theres like 4 people I can vote for so that makes it really easy.
2 of your solid "townreads" are because you refuse to lynch new people.......?
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